SIFU SIFU of LYN,

I need opinions to cool down this rig. I want to get more fans. But before that, need suggestions and opinions from first before doing anything. Hope so you guys not to be too harsh on me.
GC TEMPERATURE - Idle 60~63c, Load 70~80+c
AMBIENT TEMPERATURE - Idle - 50~51c, Load 60~65c
But, when i open my casing and use fan to blow in, GC TEMP Idle - 53~55c, Load - 65~70c
Anyway, my budget is about 100 bucks on everything(fans, accessories, modding without voiding warranty) i can do to cool this rig down.







THANKS A BUNCH!




This post has been edited by longpants: Dec 25 2007, 03:15 PM

i know.
just leave the side panel open. XD
otherwise thats about right.
you could punch some holes on the side panel so the air intake to the cpu is better. is that stock cpu fan? the case fan perform better than that. ditch it and rig the case fan.

bro go get aftermarket vga cooler la. buy artic cooling S1 only RM110 if not mistaken btw how much u bought asus en8800gt? does it supposed come with glaciator heatsink juz like i read from asus website?

A couple suggestions:

1) simplest, cheapest and best result. Add a fan on the bottom of the vga card using chopstick mod

2) Or add a fancard.

3) Move your Hdd to the highest slot (it's unnecessarily obstructing the intake now) and change the rear exhaust to a 12cm fan. Almost no result but sure hell's more elegant.

change the rear fan to 120mm fan
add holes on the side panel and whack in a 120mm directly on the GC area

btw, what proc is that ?
kinda high end stock AMD heatsink there

the proc are AMD X2 6000+ or maybe 6400+,
only this 2 model come with such stock cooler...

yeah, a bit different. but is it necessary to change that stock cooler? or it is more better then after-market cooler. for examples of cooler... let's say an affordable cooler, Artic Cooling freezer 64.

Add a 120mm blowhole on top of the casing which act as exhaust. That really helps a lot as hot air tends to rise.

May i ask what's a chopstick mod?? I am interested too.

Bro,theres still a cable management probs in your rig.

About the ventilations,put a 120mm fans for exhaust.
On the front part,i believe theres a place to put another 120mm fans for intake.

If its still not enough,make a hole of 120mm on top to place a fans.

Replace the front and back fan with 120MM with speed controller fans. For eg. Silverstone, or any other brand. Std air flow for the stock CM 330 or 331 fan is not that good. Its too weak to push or blow. i recommend 2000RPM fans and above. When u r gaming then u might want to quicken the speed. but u r idling then u can lower the fan speed.

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Added on December 25, 2007, 1:43 amAdditionally if your budget increase get the Fan for your GC, the PCIE fan from Vizo might help lower the temp for gc/casing.

This post has been edited by boyz: Dec 25 2007, 01:43 AM

sory , had to ask .. the side panel is it customize or stock with the case ?

Thnx the reply guys. Couldn't reply just now. Went for Xmas countdown.
my budget below $100 until I go get part time job dude.
I bought it for $960 +- (but my whole comp package aroung 3.2k) AND i dont think it is the glaciator heatsink u are talking about.

1)I wonder what is the chopstick mod
2)Fan card - I saw a lot of them in BULK there. But don't know whether is it good enough to suck air out or not.
3)DEFINITELY Note that!
Oh about the 12mm fan at front and the smaller fan at rear. I reused that 80mm fan from my old comp and then i switch the 120mm CM fan to the front. But, it is no use ler, I really need a 12mm fan at rear!

Ooops.. Ya the Proc is X2 6000+, my bad

1)I'm still new at cable management. I've tried tying all the cables together at putting some of it at the back of the panel, but still not enough "clean", i guess.
2)Should i worry about warranty for casing if i want to mod? and don't think i Have the budget to do that yet .
Vizo Dual propeller fans? is it good?

Erm.. It's stock. AND I know it is different than the website one.

use what thermalpaste?

Don't bother with those slot cooling fans, most of them either don't cool well or cause exessive noise. I can see that the main problem with your case is your exhaust fan. Thats why there is so much difference when you open the case and when its closed. The temps you get when the casing is open is the typical temperature of a 6000 processor running on the stock cooler, you cannot really hope to get any better than that without changing to a better 3rd party cooler.

Don't worry about casing warranty..not likely you'll ever need it..anything that would damage your casing enough to make you want to claim warranty would probably void the warranty in the first place (and unfortunately, in that kind of situation I doubt your hardware would survive too).

if can cut off the grills or holes to accommodate a single big hole. use higher cfm fans rather more fans.

buy 2 Delta..

but delta fan very noise la...
if u dont mind its ok lor...

just add VR to control the fan speed. full speed when you're pushing the pc, low speed when idle. works for me.

Oh. I think some of you got it wrong about the temperature. The temperature of the idle and load of, 60~63c - 70~80c is my GC temperature NOT MY CPU. The temperature is taken from RivaTuner.



MY BAD! MY BAD! so so sorry about that

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Added on December 25, 2007, 3:16 pmAnybody can teach how turn on the system and cpu temperature in Rivatuner?

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Added on December 25, 2007, 3:28 pmFOR 2000 rpm 12mm fans, What other brands other than silverstone, coolermaster, etc?

This post has been edited by longpants: Dec 25 2007, 03:28 PM

This thing can be help u a lot .

This post has been edited by sannielyk: Dec 26 2007, 05:01 PM

Some forumers says that Slot fans are useless/hopeless... Probably my only choice is to mod the case to blow in air. But what other cheap mods can i do?!?

go get pci blower oso can help u . it suck hot air from ur vga card

well....the air flow inside the case is important. The cool air should suck into case from the bottom and hot air suck out from the top. I think this can give the better air flow. juz my 2 cent .... You try figure this urself how to modify your case lar...

As many people wonder, this is an example using a simple 4 sticks with the Silverstone FM82 fan blowing air under your GC.

the key for a good casing airflow is having a balance between air blow-in and blow-out, so u can have a good blow in by making 12cm hole with fan at ur side panel, and put a good fan at the rear, if u still want more, u can make a hole at the top and put a fan for blow out....

good airflow but give some extra noise... sometime I not plug in it for my peaceful

I was wondering if i have only rear and front fans, won't it be like that?

The hot air of the GC not much different since there is no good air circulation.

hi bro... i;m using the same casing as u do... my system is a c2d sys.... what i do is get a VIZO 12mm fan for intake.. and a CM 12mm fan.. the fan bundled with the casing is lousy...

u can lower ur hdd to the lowest position to avoid the air being directed to the vga...

my case is same like urs, hot air trapped below the gc...
anyway to solve it?? open up all unused pci slot?

I just got an EVERCOOL 12mm fan as my REAR fan, from ALL IT for 30 bucks. runs at 2200rpm.. The temp has dramatically dropped.. will post up pics and results later..

If the hot air really trapped under it ah.. maybe follow do that mod to let air blow into the GC compartment.

wat u can do is open up the balance of the PCI slot covers and tie a fan there to suck out the hot air mah.

how about the RM10 pci blower that you buy from ALL IT?? (i'm using it too)

the PCI Blower is excellent of course.. but kinda noisy.

and id only recommend it to those using GC coolers like the stock 8800 series coolers. otherwise if ur using coolers like zalman etc....the GC cooler and the blower will be fighting for air againsts each other.

tieing a fan to the pci slots is good for those who have a spare fan. quick and easy solution. and it would fit any type of GC cooler coz it wont be fighting for air with the GC cooler.

hm...anyone know how does the cooling for the gigabyte 8800GTS 320mb work?

which side suck air which side blowing out...
hard to feel which is which...

Okay, now the GC temp has dropped dramatically. . Idle is 56-58 C and Load is around 70-75 c. . Ambient temp now is around 46C (lowest) .. still high?

1. I tried cable management for the better air flow.. I know it looks messy but, at least the air flows better
2. Well, I moved the HDD to the higher slot. . (I am having doubt putting it at the highest slot
3. and then tied a fan at the empty slots there..
This is what i did :






This post has been edited by longpants: Dec 29 2007, 02:28 AM

cayalah bro. mesti rajin2 tie cables baru ngam ho:)

bro.. change ur intake fan.... tht 1 comes with the casing is not tat gud... their flow rate is very low....

this is why i luv BTX (Inverted ATX) chassis

coz both top & bottom compartment have their own dedicated exhaust fan

this way not hot air being trap or circulated

ya, ya, u can blow hole on the bottom part for ATX design

does it look nice? i know it ain't gonna be silent, air pushing out hitting your house floor or pc table

May I know if I decided to put a fan below the card, the fan should be blowing facing the card or towards bottom ?

im using the same mobo n the same cpu...but the different part is the GC..im using HD3870...much more cooler..got two slot cooler...n more importantly im using transparent acrylic casing....really cool...n kewl

i use that as an exhaust fan (blow out)

Look at my previous post on how the FM82 blows the air toward the GC

use thermaltake or delta high end fan in front of ur case..12cm...my case same as u...temperature reduce a lot..noisy a little bit..but its ok..

Just a suggestion here, you can try to put a fan just below the CD-Rom to suck air into the casing.

ur pc is bout same as mine. same casing, procs & even mobo. i also got prob b4 & my solution is below.

1. change both casing fan 2 vizo 120mm.

2. put same fan under ur gc (using cable tie).

3. tidy up the cables.

it's done. just add 3 fans (RM35 X 3). i also use led fan 2 make it more stylo... hehe...

i also using the same casing..the temp is kinda hot..
well.. this thread really help me alot ..
Time to get more fans

close the side panel and put fans lo. hmm. drill hole urself. u using m2n e sli mobo? i used b4. thumbs up for u=)

mm power supply does generate heat as well. for your case if you are installing a fan at the expension bay area. you are just sucking the air out.

hot air coming out but not enough cool air is going into the cpu casing. another good way is to drill holes on the arcylic panel just at the left corner. so you have a proper ciruculation. Please remember to use the same size as the one at the PCI panel

er just my 2 cents. if you try to avoid drilling get teh VEZO PCI airflow card . it does work

Air Flow is one of the most important factors when Modifying a case. The goal in cooling your case is to bring the temperature down to a moderate level allowing for increased performance and decreased chance of harm.

The Basic concept is to bring in fresh air and take out the Hot air

In general you would have Intake threw the front and exhaust threw the back.
The Circle in the drawing above shows the Hot spot. This is where 80 % of your heat inside the case is created.



lease be aware the heat sink is not always the source of the heat.
In server or Multiple drive situations you might find the Hot Spot is actually near the hard drive bay.



Now the First thing you should ask yourself is how can I add to this cooling process.
That's simple Increase the volume of air going threw the system, and the best way to do that is add fans.



In general allot of people place a blow hole in the top of the case this is for a few reasons.

One hot air rises. Two as you can see Figure the fan in the top keep the air flow moving in one direction.

Bottom right to top left. how about the hot spot !!!!!



There are other options as well like Fans in a window or on the front panel.

Ideally you want the hole in this situation placed directly across the CPU or Hot Spot.

The reason for this is you would maximize the amount of hot air flowing out and lessons the chance of harming the internal air flow of the case creating a back draft..
Sometimes for example if the hot spot was the drive area like in, I might have the fan pulling air in instead of taking it out just do to the location of your standard intakes and to keep the air flow moving in one direction. Another important thing to remember, if something doesn't seem to work flow wise you can always change it. Start out by making sure the hard ware is performing up to spec. Most the newer mother boards have sensors for RPM speed and Temp. so use those tools to tweak the case. Then you will want to take another look at air flow maybe change a fan from an intake to an exhaust never know what will help till you try.

The overall goal of Air cooling is to keep the entire case a lower temp.

THE IMPORTANT IS U MUST CREATIVE TO DESIGN UR OWN HEAT TRANSFER- better find the hot spot and blow the air to it and flow it outside

I HOPE THIS WILL HELP YOU GUY

credits: http://www.marnscda.com/airflow.htm

This post has been edited by enzim10: May 11 2008, 06:19 PM

I would be nice if u stop copy paste.

My suggestion is side panel fan. Do it like stacker style 4 fans stick together the fit by the sidepanel.

zzz...

i just want help ts.. copy paste it ok since it was knowledge - maybe could help ts to have good air flow..

u just give ur opinion lor no need to comment other else i do wrong!!!

next time just post the link where u got it

stop copy paste like that

such copy paste is plagiarism

u didn't state any link

u didn't quote it as if it is ur own work

u didn't use ur own words explaining it

u didn't give any opinion/reasoning

definitely deem as plagiarism

This post has been edited by E-J@1: May 11 2008, 03:43 PM

credits: http://www.marnscda.com/airflow.htm

satistified??

Not to be rude but, you should go read up on what plagiarism means.

This post has been edited by Prodigenous Zee: May 11 2008, 11:01 PM

that's good

u post to any thread/forum also ppl will tell u to just post link of it, trust me



http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+plagiarism&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

• stealing someone else's ideas and presenting them as your own
• is using another person's ideas or creative work without giving credit to that person
• Presenting the words or ideas of someone else as your own without proper acknowledgment of the source
• Plagiarism involves using the work of another person and presenting it as one’s own. Any of the following acts constitutes plagiarism unless the source of each quotation or piece of borrowed material is clearly acknowledged
• Plagiarism is the act of copying or borrowing the work or ideas of another author without acknowledgment. Students who are writing essays, reports, dissertations or theses must list their sources, such as books and journal articles, in a list of references appended to their work
• Plagiarism is when someone uses someone else’s writing or ideas and pretends that they are their own
• using someone else’s words, thoughts, or work without giving proper credit

& ur point is?

Plagiarism means you are claiming it as your own. The guy didn't ever claim it as his own.

looks like this thread will become a college assignment thread..LOL!

this is not going anywhere...

So TS,did you solve your air flow problems yet?

bro.. u should follow wat justin78 says... put a 120mm fan under ur dvd rom. it helps alot. cos it helps me lower my temp down. go buy those high cfm fan like coolermaster 120mm 90cfm fan. buy two for ur intake. it will surely help cool down ur rig.
nice rig anyway... i'm using the same mobo too.. cheers..
http://www.coolermaster.com/products/produ...cate=36&id=4410

waa..still got people replying in this thread..
should just use current cm thread

Then how to settle if the PSU is locate at the bottom instead of the top? And no place to open up the PCI slot because expansion card is there? Will the bottom casing fan which blow upward help?

This post has been edited by lotiman2003: Sep 29 2008, 06:34 PM

Hey.. that's exactly the same Case that I'm using. I managed to improve the airflow significantly by having placing a high RPM fan at the front (like what u did with the CM), but I'm using a Vizo Freezer fan. Better if you had the Silverstone FM121 'cos I feel the air vents in Front is kinda blocked by the Ports. At the rear, I switched to the Silverstone FM123 w/ controller which helped quite a bit. But IMHO, you should invest in an aftermarket CPU cooler cos the stock ones have trouble dissipating the heat (as what I experienced). The mods that I made have dropped by idle load temperature from avg. 59 C to about 50 C at normal room temperature (no air-con). At night, it goes down to a sweet 41 C (aircon) at idle load.

P/s: Waiting for Ian to insert a side panel fan for my casing to improve airflow

newbie here..sorry to interrupted
i also have the same casing (elite 330)
how to install fan at 5.25 drive bay (dvd room bay)
need any special item ka?

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Added on October 15, 2008, 3:42 pmsorry for double post..currently my cpu temp is 33 (idle) 50 (load) & gc is 54(idle) & 65 (load)...
is it ok? i have change to aftermarket cpu cooler (cm hyper tx) & 12cm fan for front & rear...

p/s : wtb zalman fan for rear..hehehe

This post has been edited by monodevil: Oct 15 2008, 03:42 PM

to install a fan at 5.25" bay just use cable tie

u also can look for bro allngap to customise the fan u want

your temp seems normal to me... actually quite cool edi bro

to karthyu: cant imagine lor...are all the 4 hole of fan needed to tie at 5.25?

to ham_revilo : actually those are reading in the morning / night.. when
afternoon its will goes up 38-40 (idle) for cpu (environment
temp wise)

Actually your cpu temp is quite good eventhough when u say during afternoon with a high ambient temp you're looking at 40 C (idle). What I can suggest is to improve airflow. I'm modding my side panel to place a Silverstone FM82 fan to suck in air into my proc, whilst my rear Silverstone FM123 will blow out the hot air which dissipates from my proc. Will let you know how it goes when I finish getting my panel back.

P/s: what thermal paste r u using? that might help a lil

well its up to use how many but for sure minimum must have 2 but to be safe 4 is always good and cable is dam cheap

i just use stock thermalpaste package in hyper tx cpu cooler....

sysh..looking forward to see your rig look like...

btw..just buy vizo 12mm fan to replace my stock fan at the front panel

Oic. somehow in my opinion those 'stock' thermalpaste (i.e. no name) are quite inferior. like the one i received with my Xigmatek cooler, dunno cap ayam one, in a small plastic bag. that's why i used either ArticSilver or Tuniq.

I'll post a pic of my rig after I set it up. Going to LYP to buy my new Phenom X4 proc after work.

The Vizo fan. Is it the "FREEZER" type? I think that's quite lousy. Hardly any airflow. Regret buying it. Might sell it off and buy a new one though.

em just a normal uv led fan... i think quit ok lor
cfm = 62 db = 32 at 1800 rpm

far great than general cm fan

hehehehe

I test OC'ed my new Phenom X4 2.2Ghz (to 2.4Ghz) and it seems to be running well. Full load < 60 C.

Will try to OC it to 2.6Ghz later tonight and stress test it

em scared to oc my rig lor...hehe

someone say to me that oc will shorten the cpu life..is it true?
(sory if out of topic)