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Jordy
post Aug 9 2009, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(DanielW @ Aug 8 2009, 12:45 PM)
Hi Jordy,

Just to clarify, one would get free Genting vouchers by investing in Genting or GENM (formerly RESORTS)?
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Yes. As a GENTING shareholder, you would be invited to Genting's shareholders dinner as well.

QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Aug 8 2009, 03:13 PM)
I don really agree with the idea... invest in a company in order to get those "free vouchers"  sweat.gif Actually if you think carefully .... you have to spend more after getting the voucher....
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QUOTE(mynewuser @ Aug 8 2009, 05:51 PM)
The voucher can sell at what price?
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Visit Garage Sales section, search for "Genting vouchers".

QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Aug 8 2009, 10:19 PM)
Ya.... I always believe that if the investment strategy is reliable, whether you invested 5 cents or 5 millions, you will get the returns.....and more important the strategy able to sail smoothly during bear times and bull times....  brows.gif

So far the longest hold period for me is 3.5 years   icon_rolleyes.gif and the shortest hold period is only within 1 hour  sweat.gif ..... haha..... what exactly i am doing...a investors or traders or just a blind gamblers..... i always wanted to become a investor and always remind myself to apply whatever investment philosophy from the gurus.... but yet...the emotion always triggered me to sell off and fear and greedy  cry.gif  always the evils that controlling my movement.....
now i am hoping to hold the counter as long as possible...probably i will set a target of 5 years horizon......... rclxm9.gif  thumbup.gif
So far what i can see that APOLLO volumen very slims.... and i couldn't believe that their products are those chocolates cakes...in small packets that targeting school kids... and yet they can pay so good dividend....

i have tried to search around like Public bank, bjtoto, tanjong, amway, bat, apollo, mamee, jti, carlbergs, ytl-power, guiness etc.... and yet to find one.......... smile.gif
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"now i am hoping to hold the counter as long as possible...probably i will set a target of 5 years horizon"

5 years is not long. It is the shortest possible period for long-term investing. I would like to hold my counters for few generations if possible.

"So far what i can see that APOLLO volumen very slims.... and i couldn't believe that their products are those chocolates cakes"

Have you checked their financial statements? They make huge profits from selling kids stuffs. I love eating those as they remind me of my childhood moments.

"i have tried to search around like Public bank, bjtoto, tanjong, amway, bat, apollo, mamee, jti, carlbergs, ytl-power, guiness etc.... and yet to find one"

I don't know what you are looking for, but for me, I would buy PBBANK, AMWAY, BJTOT and JTI.

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Aug 19 2009, 02:15 PM)
this is called hidden gem lor. biggrin.gif

Yilai & Uchitec has been mentioned. Acostec is new to me. need to study first.
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Pana, I mentioned ACOSTEC before la last time. You must have forgotten tongue.gif

QUOTE(espree @ Aug 19 2009, 02:26 PM)
wanna join? if not mistaken the next dividend is on Dec.
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espree,

An advice for you. Do not buy just because the dividend looks good. Find out how they are paying the dividends and if they will be sustainable in the future.
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post Aug 24 2009, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(petplayground @ Aug 24 2009, 10:38 AM)
if i know there is a stock giving dividend on 28/8, can I buy the stock on 27/8 and get the dividend?
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Check to ex-date to see your eligibility. If you buy before the ex-date, you're entitled to the dividend.
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post Aug 28 2009, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Aug 28 2009, 11:46 AM)
Just throwing out a question here, how do you guys track your dividend payments? Manually? If you have a lot of different counters that pay dividends, and some of them (the REITs) might pay them quarterly, that's a lot of dividend payments to keep track of!

I use the CIMB's iTrade platform to buy the shares myself and while it lets me look at the dividend history of the stocks I currently own, it doesn't actual track which dividend payments I've qualified for.

I'm just curious about how the rest of you keep your financial records in order with a minimum of hassle.
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wankongyew,

I do not track my dividends earned. I mean, why should I? As a dividend player, I DON'T want the hassle.

Picture this. If I have to keep tracking the dividends quarter on quarter, I'd better be investing in growth stocks to trade for the time.

Unless you are only wanting to know the total dividends you have been receiving after awhile, then that's fair. For me, I have my broker to do the accounts for me, I just have to pop them a call to check the amount received once in awhile.
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Aug 28 2009, 03:32 PM)
And to Jordy, why wouldn't you track your dividends? At the very least, surely you have to check that you're being correctly paid for the dividends that you're qualified for, right?
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First of all, I don't understand what you're trying to say here, so I would have to make my assumptions.

You are saying that the book-keepers don't know how to perform simple calculations? If that's the case, I have not encountered such instances over the years of my investments, unless you have any stories you would like to share.
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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Nov 7 2009, 10:59 AM)
Hi guys, I am about to make my first buy in dividend stocks. So could I be kindly pointed the way to do my due diligence? I don't know where they hide their prospectus or earning stuff or things I need to look for. Pls do point to me what I need to look out for good buys and bad buys (goodbyes). Thanks. Right now I only know tobacco and alcohol companies are better buys.
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kaiserwulf,

Companies with stable repeat sales would most probably be the better bet for stable dividends. You have listed 2 sectors with very good repeat sales, but you forgot about staple food companies and other beverages. Snack companies do give good dividends as well, but that is more cyclical. Another bet is to look for MLM companies and petroleum giants.
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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Nov 7 2009, 09:13 PM)
snack companies .... mm.... heard of mamee, apollo with decent dividends.... but my worry they are small...cap... companies ???
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Kamen Rider,

How many big cap stocks/bluechips pay good dividends? What I am trying to say here is to not judge a dividend stock by size, instead judge it by the profit sustainability. Isn't that where the dividends come from? And mind you, it's easier to accumulate small cap stocks for dividends rather than larger cap stocks.

Just my opinion.
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QUOTE(protonw @ Nov 8 2009, 09:23 AM)
I collect both small and big cap dividend counters just to spread my risk. Though it is easy to collect small cap, but we can do same for big cap as we can always accumulate it by 100 shares (1lot).  Say, PBB now at rm10.90. 1 lot is rm1090.  I suppose most of us still can afford, aren't we?

I will not just chose one counter for dividend.  Spreading the risk is equally important. Just my opinion..... tongue.gif
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protonw,

To accumulate big cap stocks like PBBANK, you will have to increase your capital by the thousands (though you are only buying 100 each time). Smaller cap stocks < RM3 can be bought with only RM300 for 100 units. That is the only difference.

Also, when buying small cap stocks, the possibility for appreciation is higher. So you could have sustainable dividend and capital appreciation.
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post Nov 9 2009, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Nov 8 2009, 10:19 PM)
Thanks for sharing ....  for small caps .... it is small profits though the profit using EPS and DPS to calculate, still very attractive, but yet they probably are have potential to grow if they can expand their biz, but yet...there sure a risk for this small caps....  if they are unable to sustain their biz...

where as for big caps, they have already established their biz model and currently is performing harvesting on its profit....and so far i found they are few counters are able to provide good dividends if you buy at right price... just recently 6-9 months ago the downturn due to global financial meltdown has provided a good opportunity to grab the big caps..at the most attractive price,....though many of us still waiting for their share price to drop some more... smile.gif

just my 2 cents, as every investors or traders have their own ways of choosing their favorite counters.....

for Apollo, i have read thru their annual reports...but yet still not making a buy during its price at around 2.50... smile.gif but no regret for me as I still follow my way of choosing stocks.... smile.gif


Added on November 8, 2009, 10:21 pm
mm... it is not advisable to buy in 100 units for < RM3.00 share, as the broker fee already eating up your profit margin ....

normally a RM4k above is more advisable.... for today even with BAT or DIGI, if you were "sapu" 100 units, it will cost you 4k plus and 2k plus....  smile.gif
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Kamen Rider,

That is why adequate research is required prior to buying any dividend stocks. If you think that the business model is sustainable, then it's a good bet. Unless you are buying in blindly by just looking at the DY.

It is indeed not advisable, but sometimes people tend to have no choice because of limited capital for top up. I was comparing the ease of accumulating small caps and big caps.

QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Nov 9 2009, 06:58 PM)
We don judge small cap and big cap by the the share price. Judge it by the market capitalization which is number of shares x share price

I still think that diversifying too much is not a good choice. Why pick up the best 20 instead of picking up the best 3 ?
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darkknight81,

Don't you think most small caps are cheap stocks? Stocks with higher price are more likely to issue more shares than stocks with lower prices due to the size and accountability of their business. So it is still right to consider small cap stocks as cheap stocks.
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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Nov 12 2009, 06:23 AM)
Can some one advise me on below questions??? smile.gif
1. DiGi declared a dividend of 75 cents, but I checked in Bursa Malaysia web page, it didn't stated which the payment / lodge date.
2. I have done a basic calculation

      By taking yesterday closing price for BAT at 45.40 and DiGi at 21.80....if the same amount of money e.g. RM20,000 invested into both counters....., total units hold for BAT = 440.53 and DiGi = 917.43 (let's assume we can hold by fraction of shares).....

Then with DiGi recent 75 cents dividends payment, one would get 917.43 shares x 0.75 = RM688 as dividend of holding DiGi

If the same amount of RM688 were to pay to BAT holders, so for a total units hold for BAT of 440.53 shares, the dividends need to be paid by BAT would be at RM1.56.....
So in summary

Paying RM20k of Digi hold 917.43 shares, and with 75 cents dividends, get RM688
Paying RM20k of BAT hold 440.53 shares, and with 156 cents dividends, get RM688
If DiGi, projected to pay 180 cents dividend in a year, below is the summary

Paying RM20k of Digi hold 917.43 shares, and with 180 cents dividends, get RM1651
Paying RM20k of BAT hold 440.53 shares, and with 375 cents dividends, get RM1651
Thus BAT need to payout RM3.75 as dividend in order to equal to Digi payout of RM1.80

However, based on past many years, BAT normally paying less than RM3.00....

Conclusion:

It means that DIGI is a good buy compare to BAT, if DiGi projected to payout RM1.80 dividends...
Am I right ?????  hmm.gif
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Kamen Rider,

Why don't you just calculate the yield to compare between the two?

DIGI paying 1.80 at 21.80 = 8.26%
BAT paying 3.00 at 45.40 = 6.61%

The answer is direct that DIGI paid better dividend.
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QUOTE(thenightcrusader @ Mar 7 2010, 10:27 PM)
Hello everyone,

I have some cash available but i would like to aim to save for a down payment for a house maybe about 50k and i foresee i'm gonna need it in 1 or 2 years time. my question would be, is it viable to be place some of these cash into high dividend counters? or would it be better if i allocate small portion to buy low n sell high?

all opinions are welcome. thanks a lot everyone.
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thenightcrusader,

Since you will be needing the cash in 1-2 years time, I advise you not to invest in dividend stocks as they rarely move significantly. Dividend stocks will only benefit you if you invest for few years (due to the accumulated dividends and capital gain over time). With this short timeframe, you are not suitable to INVEST in stock market, rather you need to take higher risk to TRADE in stock market (but you need extreme skills and luck to make it work).
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QUOTE(sulifeisgreat @ Mar 7 2010, 11:42 PM)
sweat.gif wat is the timeframe required to gain this extreme skills and luck to make it work
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sulifeisgreat,

Beats me. I've been trading in the stock market for 11 years, but I still can't seem to gain quick profit from trading. So it depends on an individual whether he's made to trade or not.
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QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 23 2010, 09:32 PM)
Digi pay so much div this year?

178sen + 35sen + 70sen + 120sen = 403sen = RM4.03

Almost  16.5% before tax
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MNet,

You've misinterpreted the table. It should be 35 + 35 + 50 = 120 sen.
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Apr 29 2014, 05:33 PM)
UCHI TECHNOLOGIES BERHAD
EX-date 26/06/2014 
Entitlement date 30/06/2014 
Entitlement subject Final Dividend
Entitlement description Final Tax Exempt Dividend of 6 sen per share of RM0.20 each for the year ended 31 December 2013
Payment date  24/07/2014
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Used to own UCHITEC but am disappointed with the lower yield for this year (10 sen) compared to previous years (12 sen). In the end sold it off last month when it hit 1.46 for 17% gain (20% gain if include the first dividend of 4 sen).
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QUOTE(500Kmission @ May 17 2014, 11:13 PM)
It is because 2013 EPS was around 10 cents and 2102 EPS was around 12 cents, it pay around 100% payout. No money left for improvement, hard to sustain.
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Still, am disappointed with the overall result that made me decide to sell the stocks. 20% of realised profit upfront is still better than waiting for its 2 years of dividends. I was just regretting that I did not sell the stock when it hit 1.5x late last year. But what's done is done and we always look forward for more exciting investments ahead smile.gif

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