Alright, I have a question to clarify.
For companies that have been paying tax-exempted tax (eg MAYBULK), would the single-tier system affect its future payout?
High Dividend Counters, Better than putting in FD
High Dividend Counters, Better than putting in FD
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Apr 29 2008, 12:33 PM
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Alright, I have a question to clarify.
For companies that have been paying tax-exempted tax (eg MAYBULK), would the single-tier system affect its future payout? |
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Apr 29 2008, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 29 2008, 04:31 PM) Company cannot pay tax-exempted dividend for the dividend that derive from operating business profit. Oh, thank you for the response cherroy.One must find out why company can give tax-exempted dividend in the first place. Like Maybulk, they make lot of profit from disposable of their old vessel. As capital gain is tax exempted, the profit generated from the capital gain which will be given as dividend can be tax exempted. Also, if company got plenty of tax credit, then company can use the tax credit to offset when giving out dividend time. But after 2012, all unused tax credit will be forfeited, so everything will follow single tier tax system. I am not profession in tax stuff, so please bare with me and correct me if my above statement is not accurate or wrong. Thanks Just my shallow knowledge and as far as I knew. I didn't know Maybulk got so much profit from capital gain So after they use up the profit from capital gain, they won't be able to pay tax-exempted dividend? |
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Apr 29 2008, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 29 2008, 05:25 PM) I think they use their tax credit as well. Yes, after use up tax credit then no more tax exempted dividend. After single tier system being implemented starting this year, gov will earn more. As said, my answer is not definite. Just a simple illustration. Cheers QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 29 2008, 06:00 PM) If a company foresees future profits to be good, then having more Capital Allowances ( buying more vessels ) would be a good tool for them to pay less tax. To charge out against profit as expense. Thank you for the clarification and the opinion If let say after claiming all the Capital Allowances ( 100%), then it is always advisible to buy new Assets to claim for new capital allowances again. Most do it on rotational basis. Old vessels that do not have anymore Capital Allowances left, would lead the company to pay higher tax on profit. Selling off old vessels at a gain ( low book value left ) would make the financial statements looked attractive also. Large savings on maintenance too. Old Assets that exceed a number of years would have only scrap value left. Capital gain is not subjected to tax. OT. The present tax structure may not in the favour of those are expecting dividends bcos of high with holding tax. On the other hand, the Capital gain tax on shares is zero. Just my 2sen opinion. |
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May 19 2008, 12:15 AM
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What do you guys think of APOLLO and JTINTER as long term high yielding stocks? Personally, I think JTINTER's bottomline will keep being hit by tax increment, while having to deal with "cheap" cigarettes.
What you all think about APOLLO's sustainability? |
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May 19 2008, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 19 2008, 01:43 PM) I do think JTinter is a bit toppish at the moment after recent run of the announcement of special dividend. Having said that its high dividend policy will sustain the stock around 4 in the near term as FD rate won't go higher than 3.7% at least for this 1-2 years time. Normally, this kind of stock won't go up nor go down much one. Thank you cherroy.Dividend stock is highly depends on economy situation (more precise is individual company business) and interest rate environment. Apollo is also a dividend stock but its low liquidity make it harder to judge or determine. Often no trade at all for the whole day. Just my personal opinion. Ya, I know APOLLO has very low liquidity, so it could mean a good thing too right, as its movement will be quite stable. Just the last 2 trading days saw its price gone a little wild (wonder what happened For me, APOLLO is also a good bet for long term dividend play, just that I don't know how good is its business sustainability, as I personally do not eat Apollo confectionery I think the upcoming Budget would see cigarette import duty being increased again, and with the rising cost of production, JTINTER would see another round of lower profit. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
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May 19 2008, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 19 2008, 08:51 PM) The main disadvatange of low liquidity is when you have many in it then it is hard to dispose the shares without depress the share price. I have seen their growth from their annual report. Seems like their ROE are growing over the last 4 years.Buyers will queue far away as they knew you are keen to dispose. In those low liquidity stock, only a few interested players are around. So a few up to hundreds lots no problem for retailers but more than around 500 hundred or thousand lots onwards one, then one will fund difficulty to dispose. Look at its trend of its sales, then you will know how popularity of the Apollo confectionery. I don't know also, interest to find out also. Just not sure what would happen in the future though. Looks like they are venturing into another industry out of the confectionary business. Would have to consider the rising cost of raw materials and production too. Food especially is rising at very worrying pace |
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Jul 16 2008, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE(ROCKEY @ Jul 16 2008, 11:52 AM) Well, it has a history of paying dividends in excess of 10-25 sen. With this in mind, a GAMUDA share at RM2.45 would translate into yield of between 4.1% and 10.2%. We could consider GAMUDA as a high yield counter, but with costs of materials rising fast, it might be a negative impact on its earnings prospect in the mid term. Construction and properties sector are quite risky play at the moment, especially those with huge projects running. Longer term though, we could see potential upside after the completion of its Ho Chi Minh project. For that, we would have to look at Vietnam's economic stability. |
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Jul 16 2008, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 16 2008, 03:27 PM) The problem now is that it is widely known those construction company might facing margin squeezed until to single digit profit margin only which mean high dividend is not sustainable in the future. As lower EPS will mean lower dividend. That is a point to note too. Still, we could see a recovery in construction industry, when the cost cutting measures are in place. We would either have to wait for the price of steel to decrease, or the more efficient use of materials to cut costs. Shorter term we may see a margin squeeze, but longer term, I still believe that construction industry would recover Compared to construction play, I would opt for properties stocks that are trading at signficant discount to its NTA while with good management and still able to generate profit (although profit might be down, but still maintain at ok level only, as it is almost impossible for properties sector to register profit growth as last 2 years) Anyway, just my opinion. My 2 cents worth. |
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Jul 16 2008, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 16 2008, 10:05 PM) Over the long term, those are well managed one, surely will come back. Economy is always adjusting itself, too few profit, nobody wants to do so weak competitors being phased out, so when situation improves, then with less competitors, profit margin will go back up. I agree. That was why I told him that Gamuda might have the potential over the longer term.It is part of economy cycle. Just it takes time (up to years) to from one to another. As you said, the strong ones will survive and recover. I believe Gamuda to be one of them Anyway, this is solely my opinion only. I might be wrong though. Hehe. |
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Jul 30 2008, 06:06 PM
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Anyone aware of this?
Cycle & Carriage Bintang Berhad Price: RM2.30 SD: RM1.35 "The restructuring of the Group’s businesses and operations since the end of 2007 with the cessation of the Peugeot business, sale of the Mazda, Sinotruk and parts businesses, the rationalisation of work force and sale of surplus properties has been completed. This enables the Group to focus on its core Mercedes-Benz business. The Company is now in a position to return surplus funds not earmarked for operational needs or for investment in the foreseeable future." Looks like this counter will be flying like JTINTER tomorrow. Anyone dare to catch the speedboat? |
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Jul 31 2008, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(digir @ Jul 31 2008, 11:16 AM) Wow! CCB is now at RM2.99, 11,000 + units queuing to buy at that price but nobody willing to sell! Ridiculous! Lol, who is willing to sell when you get 58.7% of your capital back? But I am not sure if the fundamental is that good to keep though. Besides, this SD is a one-off payment, but CCB has the history of paying high SDs in 2006 and now. There is some major restructuring doing on, so we need to see what is the management up to, then only decide. Their normal dividend is in the range of 10-15 sen annually. By reducing the price to around RM1.60, that is a DY of 6.25% |
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Jul 31 2008, 03:46 PM
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Aug 1 2008, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE(dragony @ Aug 1 2008, 12:15 PM) cycle & carriage giving out a RM1.40 dividend!!! Why is it worth when the price is already so high? You get the dividend less 26% tax, so you are effectively getting 26% LESS.walau...wat a great company. Added on August 1, 2008, 12:20 pmCan anyone tell me whether still worth to buy in CCB for the great dividend???? i want with the boat.. Also, CCB's payment is one off, so I do not see how great that is. They can give such high dividend because they have sold most of their businesses except for Mercedez Benz. So what you think their earnings would be like in the next few years? Note: Simply buying a stock just for dividend without doing research into the company is blind investing. You migh regret greatly if you do that. Just my 2 cents worth. This post has been edited by Jordy: Aug 1 2008, 12:32 PM |
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Sep 4 2008, 10:41 PM
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Oct 15 2008, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 15 2008, 10:17 PM) AMWAY's price is quite high now. That was because 2007's result was good. Now 2008 with all prices increasing, people will have less spending power to buy more of these products. Plus, AMWAY's products are manufactured in US, so USD appreciate is bad for AMWAY's bottomline. 2008 is indeed a bad year for consumer based counters (except for consumer staples). |
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Aug 5 2009, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(snowcrash @ Aug 5 2009, 10:16 PM) Wow.... useful thread as my target is counters with high div as well as a buy & hold. Makes me realize how much effort full time investors must put in. Thinking of entering share market directly for the first time, but still v. nervous. So far am focusing on PBBANK, BJTOTO, YTL, Magnum, Mah Sing & Hicom. I'm limiting it to those with price <5 (except PBBANK!). Any thoughts/ other counters too look at? You may want to consider GENTING, YTLPOWR, HAIO, MAYBULK, JTINTER, ZHULIAN. Those bold ones are paying sustainable yields. |
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Aug 6 2009, 03:14 AM
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QUOTE(espree @ Aug 5 2009, 11:30 PM) espree,Read, he needs counters priced lower than RM5. QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ Aug 5 2009, 11:44 PM) Soulsareworthless,Dividends do not present only as cash, it's present in other forms as well. Unless you have invested in GENTING, you wouldn't know the perks you get as its shareholder. |
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Aug 6 2009, 08:58 AM
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Aug 6 2009, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE(OldKidz @ Aug 6 2009, 12:32 PM) How bout high dividend countes at lower thn RM3? OldKidz,Am new at divident counter, may i know the lowest best return dividend counter is which one ya? You want cheap and you want good. Is there such thing in this world? There are some cheap counters giving out dividends, but not good or sustainable. I wonder why you want to risk it for a dividend play. QUOTE(simplesmile @ Aug 6 2009, 12:56 PM) Show me the money!! I always prefer cash than vouchers, unless the vouchers values are at least twice higher than what they would distribute as cash dividends. Reason being,.... I can reinvest my dividends. With vouchers, I can only spend. simplesmile,Of the 6 counters you listed, I own shares in 2 of them. Thanks for sharing the list. Look at Garage Sales and you will see so many people having good business in selling those vouchers |
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Aug 8 2009, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Aug 8 2009, 11:11 AM) BAT is a big cap company and it is considered like a Dinosaur which moving very slow and steady ..... while Penny stocks are likes small flies which movement is fast and inconsistently and some time fatigue and stop there forever where need energy booster to revive it..... Technical or fundamental analysis, people will lose in the bear market. You have just started during the bull run, so got analysis or not, you still will earn. Just like when I started out 10 years ago, it was just after the 1997-98 crash and the market was recovering. I hopped on without any knowledge and without analysis, still able to earn 30% in that year. But I learned my lesson soon after that during 911 that no matter what analysis you do, in such a sell-off, EVERYONE will lose.I have heard that people will sure lose money when they first step into share market...and they need to pay for school fee in order to gain the experience and knowledge......................... but many of us using technical analysis, while probably small portion using fundamental analysis wit the combination of technical analysis...... and heard that there are ppl just a traders who use technical charts etc...can survive in share market.... so I guess they can sustain the marathon run and earn money from stock market in bear and bull times....... 2009 is the good example, where bear comes and now start the bull rally....and many of us have gone thru this 2 situations... and probably gaining profits while getting the key experience on it... but yet....is the global economy already back to normal, are we in the recovery trends.... only economists know... probably after the facts....for me i am hoping another downturn ..as i don;t think the economy already in recovery stage.... Confidence is good in the market, but overconfidence is bad for young people like you. Survive for one year is NOTHING in stock market. You must be able to survive ALL the time to prove that you're good. Those technical analysts will only show themselves during bull run, but they hide themselves during bear market. It's all the same if you have noticed, so do not pray them like some kind of God. |
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