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post Feb 15 2007, 12:36 PM, updated 17y ago

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Background: Windows 7 is the next generation version of the Windows Client.
Versions: Windows 7 x86 32 /64 Bit Client
Current public build: 7000

Q: Is Microsoft working on an operating system after Windows Vista?
A: Yes. The next client version of Windows was originally codenamed "Blackcomb," though the company renamed it to "Windows Vienna" in early 2006 and to "Windows Seven" or "Windows 7" more recently. I prefer Vienna, so I'll continue to refer to it by that name here.

Q: Why Windows 7?
A: Since Windows Vista is really Windows 6.0, Vienna will presumably be version 7.0.

Q: I heard that Windows Vista will be the last major OS release from Microsoft. Is that true?
A: No. Windows-based PCs will continue to form the center of our digital lifestyles, and as Microsoft executives have noted in recent days, there are still plenty of areas in which Microsoft can improve Windows. Some obvious examples include voice recognition and storage.

Q: So is Vienna going to be a major Windows version?
A: No. Windows Vista was a major release, and Vienna will be a relatively minor, or interim, update. Microsoft is currently on a development path where every other Windows version is a major release.

Q: When will Vienna ship?
A: Microsoft currently plans to ship Vienna in 2009, about two to two and a half years after Vista. The next major release of Windows is expected two years after Vienna, in 2011. (Windows Server updates are on a similar cycle.)

Q: What features will be included in Windows Vienna?
A: Microsoft hasn't publicly committed to any features for Vienna and the company is currently still deciding what this next Windows release will look like. We do know a few things about Vienna, however: It will include a new version of Windows Explorer that is being built by the same team that designed the Ribbon user interface in Office 2007. It will likely include some form of the "Hypervisor" (Windows Virtualization) technologies that will ship shortly after Windows Server "Longhorn". It will also likely include the WinFS (Windows Future Storage) technologies, though they won't be packaged or branded as WinFS.

Q: Will Windows Vienna be available in both 32-bit and 64-bit versions like Vista?
A: No, Vienna will almost certainly ship only in 64-bit versions. This is in keeping with Microsoft's x64 migration schedule.

Q: Will Microsoft release any Windows updates between now and Vienna?
A: Yes. Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1, codenamed "Fiji") will ship simultaneously with Windows Server "Longhorn" and will include a new kernel version that makes that release up to date with the kernel version in Longhorn. As such, we might consider Fiji a major release for a service pack: No previous service pack has ever included a major kernel update.--Paul Thurrott
February 14, 2007

Source: Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows: Windows "Vienna"/"Seven"/"7" FAQ



Added on January 8, 2009, 12:42 pmInformation on Downloading and Installing Windows 7 Beta

On January 9th, the Windows 7 Beta will be available for Windows enthusiasts to download via the Windows 7 page on Windows.com. The Windows 7 Beta is going to be available download-only (we’re not sending out physical media) and available for a limited time to the first 2.5 million people who download the beta.

The Windows 7 Beta will be available in English, German, Japanese, Arabic, and Hindi, and each language will be available in 32-bit and 64-bit versions (except Hindi which will only be available in 32-bit). Because the Windows 7 Beta will be offered download-only, it will be provided to you as an ISO image (an .iso file) that you download. After downloading either the 32-bit or 64-bit ISO image of the Windows 7 Beta, you will be required to burn the ISO image to a DVD to install Windows 7. So you want to be sure you have a DVD burner before spending the time downloading the ISO image.

To burn the ISO image of the Windows 7 Beta to DVD, if your PC comes with Nero or Roxio products – you should be able to burn the ISO image to DVD. If you don’t already have DVD burning software on your PC, you can also check out ImgBurn which is free and can be downloaded here.

The Windows 7 Beta only supports Windows Vista SP1 to Windows 7 upgrades. So if you intend to do an upgrade – be sure it is on a PC running Windows Vista with Service Pack 1. We are not yet announcing anything regarding finalized upgrade paths for Windows 7.

The Windows 7 Beta will be only available in one edition, which is roughly equivalent the Ultimate edition of Windows Vista.

Also, another important thing to keep in mind is that the Windows 7 Beta will expire on August 1st, 2009.

http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/...ows-7-beta.aspx

Download: Microsoft Windows 7 Beta 1 Build 7000.0.081212-1400

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Microsoft's "Vienna" in 2009
http://www.dailytech.com/Microsofts+Vienna...article6053.htm

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128888-c...rn/article.html
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MinWin and Windows Vienna / 7
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Almost two months ago Eric Traut gave a presentation on operating systems in which MinWin was brought to light for the first time. Although used for running a basic HTTP server, MinWin is a stripped down version of the Windows kernel that will be used as the foundation for Windows Vienna. MinWin is composed of approximately 100 files totalizing 25MB on disk and 40MB set up, in comparison with Vista which is made up of over 5000 files and approximatley 2500MB on disk.

Since MinWin is simply an effort from Microsoft to bring the kernel down to the smallest possible size in order to achieve the best efficiency for the upcoming versions of Windows, it will not be a kernel that is going to be distributed all by itself but merely a starting point for the next generation of operating systems built by Microsoft that break the legacy with the Vista operating system and its ancestors.


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post Dec 19 2007, 01:56 AM

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Dude, the size difference... It's just... Wow.
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post Dec 19 2007, 09:10 AM

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cant wait for it to launch drool.gif
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Hopin' it'll be far better than Vista and XP. Vista not much improvements. But many downsides. ohmy.gif
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post Dec 19 2007, 02:23 PM

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When it comes out, I might be the first to buy. It is really condensed code. LOL. 25MB. Hah!

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Does that possibly mean that computers that is just powerful enough to run XP but not Vista, will be able to run Vienna smoothly? If this happens, what happens to the demand in computer electronics in the future? Computers no longer need large memory or powerful processors. Gosh, we are making a rewind in technology.
Don't think my word seriously, I'm just assuming that the small installation size indicates lower requirements laugh.gif
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means Vista really bad .... rclxms.gif


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they realize that they had overkilled with vista specs and they decide to tune it down

imho, memory utilization of 1g alone during startup in the aero interface is just bad coding
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can i keep my os in a thumbdrive and boot it up at different locations? xD
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A liveCD version for Windows 7 will be cool don't cha think? laugh.gif
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lolwut
1 - WinMin is just for small purposes (HTTP server) and not a full fledge OS
2 - IT'S NOT VIENNA, just share the same kernel
3 - The site still relies on rumours. The real Vienna that was shown on Connect is vastly different
4 - Vienna will rely on WinFS (improvement on NTFS) and SQL for it to work. This is far from it
5 - Contrary to what the site say, Vienna still is based on 70% of Vista.
6 - There is already a Vienna thread in the Vista section. I suggest reading that
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It'd be a a year or a couple more till we see the long awaited Windows 7. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(skymyxe @ Dec 20 2007, 06:48 AM)
It'd be a a year or a couple more till we see the long awaited Windows 7.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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3 more years
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Better fix the stability on Vista first before talk about the next OS laugh.gif
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post Dec 20 2007, 11:53 PM

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Is that an artist impression screenshot?
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post Dec 21 2007, 05:52 AM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Dec 19 2007, 05:38 PM)
Does that possibly mean that computers that is just powerful enough to run XP but not Vista, will be able to run Vienna smoothly? If this happens, what happens to the demand in computer electronics in the future? Computers no longer need large memory or powerful processors. Gosh, we are making a rewind in technology.
Don't think my word seriously, I'm just assuming that the small installation size indicates lower requirements laugh.gif
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it's a good thing that the old pcs can run new OS smoothly unlike vista which is so darn resources hungry
but there are still many other applications besides the OS itself that demand a great deal of processing power, e.g. gaming and other 3D applications
so in the end, those engineers won't be having holiday anytime soon tongue.gif
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Whats is the estimated system requirements lolz?
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at last a stable os....
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So what would you think MS introduce during thhis new OS launch? DX11? laugh.gif Looking forward to this OS btw. MS Vista just got their #1 Biggest Tech Disappointment 2007 award lol.
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QUOTE(Thunderbolt @ Dec 20 2007, 04:33 PM)
Better fix the stability on Vista first before talk about the next OS laugh.gif
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It's more stable than XP if anything. Never had a BSOD on it, ever
QUOTE(Faint @ Dec 20 2007, 11:53 PM)
Window Vienna screen shot uploaded.
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That IS NOT vienna. Just an impression from artist.
Want to see the real WinMin one?

Aint that much different from Vista izzit?
Some more things that you should know
- Vienna is reported to be 64bit ONLY
- will have IE8 that pass ACID2 test
- The wide use of ribbon. You know, the one that you hate in Office 2007



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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Dec 21 2007, 08:42 AM)
It's more stable than XP if anything. Never had a BSOD on it, everThat IS NOT vienna. Just an impression from artist.
Want to see the real WinMin one?

Aint that much different from Vista izzit?
Some more things that you should know
- Vienna is reported to be 64bit ONLY
- will have IE8 that pass ACID2 test
- The wide use of ribbon. You know, the one that you hate in Office 2007
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Nonetheless, playing games on XP pwns Vista big time. Period.
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good news for obsolete pc like me..
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I hope that the minimum requirements won't be that killing as compared to windows vista.
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That nice when heard that new Microsoft OS, but i think i will just stick with my XP SP2, never encounter a BSOD before except for hardware problem, really stable enough for me.........
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Interested To Try It..
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QUOTE(U23r @ Dec 22 2007, 02:48 AM)
I hope that the minimum requirements won't be that killing as compared to windows vista.
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With 64bits only, you need atleast 2gig of ram for sure tongue.gif
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means future software all design for 64 bit only??
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This is old news already. Bill Gates already mentioned about Vienna when he unleashed Vista.
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QUOTE(songbo @ Dec 30 2007, 03:31 PM)
means future software all design for 64 bit only??
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It will take awhile for consumers adopting 64bits from 32bits. But in the next few years, it will be 64bits.
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Just wonder how the driver compatibility.. unsure.gif
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it looks so cool...
hope ites better than vista.. rclxms.gif
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Vista is just a cpu killer... but some people say they can run it with no prob and no decrease in performance..
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post Dec 31 2007, 08:02 AM

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They push us towards vista.......with stability issue and tons of problem.

Now they want to push us towards another OS in about 2 years time? Give me a break.
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Nope, nobody pushed me to use Vista. I switched to Vista myself la. I like it with all the eye-candy but I dislike the resource hog.
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 31 2007, 10:58 AM)
Nope, nobody pushed me to use Vista. I switched to Vista myself la. I like it with all the eye-candy but I dislike the resource hog.
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Microsoft is pushing EVERYONE, man.. doh.gif sweat.gif If not, why it is darn freaking hard to find window xp drivers for the latest laptop?
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I guess you can request it from the laptop manufacturing/assembling company like Dell or so?

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QUOTE(allvin @ Dec 31 2007, 12:38 PM)
Microsoft is pushing EVERYONE, man..  doh.gif  sweat.gif If not, why it is darn freaking hard to find window xp drivers for the latest laptop?
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Hey man, chill. That is just the way I am viewing it.
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Wow, imagine 25Mb is the size of the next Windows OS.

Microsoft should build a special version of an ultra-basic, no nonsense OS that uses minimal resources (like 32Mb of memory at the most) FOR GAMERS.

I thought 2009 is Windows 7 release year ?


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yeah... i sitll prefer xp for gaming but for daily usage i go for vista...


Added on December 31, 2007, 8:51 pmlol.. i have dual boot xp and vista

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QUOTE(Xbox 360 @ Dec 31 2007, 06:06 PM)
Wow, imagine 25Mb is the size of the next Windows OS.

Microsoft should build a special version of an ultra-basic, no nonsense OS that uses minimal resources (like 32Mb of memory at the most) FOR GAMERS.

I thought 2009 is Windows 7 release year ?
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QUOTE(danieljoey @ Dec 31 2007, 08:51 PM)
yeah... i sitll prefer xp for gaming but for daily usage i go for vista...


Added on December 31, 2007, 8:51 pmlol.. i have dual boot xp and vista
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I'm using xp sp2 for both gaming and general work. What's the advantage of using vista for daily activities. Aero interface etc etc all seem like cheap gimicks to me and do not increase my productivity.
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QUOTE(drgadgets @ Jan 1 2008, 06:07 AM)
I'm using xp sp2 for both gaming and general work. What's the advantage of using vista for daily activities. Aero interface etc etc all seem like cheap gimicks to me and do not increase my productivity.
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Play directx 10 game on Vista, enjoy the aero interface...etc
But low end PC may not run smooth on Vista cool2.gif
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windows vienna, now this is IT.

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another product that will hit the market hard. (or it really suks like vista? look n see?) wink.gif
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QUOTE(Thunderbolt @ Dec 21 2007, 03:39 PM)
Nonetheless, playing games on XP pwns Vista big time. Period.
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DX10 is miles better than DX9. the fact that we havent' even seen the best optimised driver for DX10 by either nVidia or ATi means that it's not the OS's fault. A DX9 pc cannot even run Crysis server mode without dying because it takes too much resources for DX9 to handle.
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Wow, imagine 25Mb is the size of the next Windows OS.

Microsoft should build a special version of an ultra-basic, no nonsense OS that uses minimal resources (like 32Mb of memory at the most) FOR GAMERS.

I thought 2009 is Windows 7 release year ?
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It's ONLY FOR SERVER purposes. That's why it's so small. GO read my post on the previous page
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another product that will hit the market hard. (or it really suks like vista? look n see?) wink.gif
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This will be a new OS based on the Vista engine, which in theory should be easier to use. Kinda like Vista but with different interface. And from what I saw of the various build demo'ed, it's good.

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25mb??? so this will be real WOW!! not that FAKE vista!

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Could be Windows 7 new interface.... but you and I know... its ultimately fake...


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post Jan 6 2008, 02:57 AM

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good, chances are they will be people who will emulate minwin by creating tools that strips windows 7 down to core like WinXP to WinPE.
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No matter what, this is the sweetest and most, well, sweetest and prettiest and gorgeous "so called" Windows 7 screenshot EVER :




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QUOTE(Xbox 360 @ Jan 6 2008, 03:25 AM)
No matter what, this is the sweetest and most, well, sweetest and prettiest and gorgeous "so called" Windows 7 screenshot EVER :
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Kinda impressived screenshot...

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the 64bit is gonna make drivers a pain in the a$$
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is this windows for real? i see alot of windows XP which have alot of edition tat is very sweet eg. user posted image
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most probably they jus edit n change those setting registry stuff tat makes them looks cool.

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This windows was mod by someone, change the visual style, remove unused resources....etc
Actually you can change windows visual style using WindowsBlinds.
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This OS even better than Vista...
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do you guys hv any great sites for windows appearance tweaking ? thx !

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do you guys hv any great sites for windows appearance tweaking ? thx !
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I recommend => WinCustomize, this website consist of object dock, boot skin, windowblind....etc thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(pengiranijam @ Mar 28 2008, 01:40 AM)
This OS even better than Vista...
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It's basically Vista with different interface and different Filesystem (winFS instead of NTFS). Nothing much changed in the core. And it will be more hardware intensive than Vista. WinMin is just the basic version of teh OS, and can be used for server and nothing else, as it won't support many 3rd party software. Which is why it's small and light.

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QUOTE(Faint @ Mar 28 2008, 02:52 PM)
I recommend => WinCustomize, this website consist of object dock, boot skin, windowblind....etc  thumbup.gif
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And when you don't want compromise your system, just go tuneup, even easiest and safe (got restore system there)


QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Mar 28 2008, 04:15 PM)
It's basically Vista with different interface and different Filesystem (winFS instead of NTFS). Nothing much changed in the core. And it will be more hardware intensive than Vista. WinMin is just the basic version of teh OS, and can be used for server and nothing else, as it won't support many 3rd party software. Which is why it's small and light.
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Oh my, I though it could do more multitask...!?? Is capable multitask? Example?
You got other screen shots of it...
I want see the desktop and others as well... (If you have...) nod.gif
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Multitasking is quite the same with Vista now, which can be said better than XP ever been. WinFS also means that the data in your HDD is saved in a database type format, which means faster searching and accessing too.
Microsoft still haven't released official screenshots yet, and all I know is what from I read on MSDN and Microsoft Developer's Blog.
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QUOTE(pengiranijam @ Mar 28 2008, 01:40 AM)
This OS even better than Vista...
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60% of Windows 7 was based on Windows Vista.
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Becareful, don't download any torrent sites giving away any windows7 or such windows updates or full version, it possible contain modified windows setting or such malicious...

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This one should be released somewhere in December 2009 or the same date,months vista release of 2010.(think yourself) tongue.gif
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Windows 7 is said to "remove" a lot of unwanted services, apps and even startup items.

Microsoft says it is almost "building a new Windows as if Windows 95 never came".

And there will be NO start button. That, my friend, is confirmed.
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Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates on Friday indicated that Windows 7, the next major version of Windows, could come within the next year or so. In response to a question about Windows Vista, Gates, speaking before the Inter-American Development Bank here, said: "Sometime in the next year or so we will have a new version." Referring to Windows 7, the code name for the next full release of Windows client software, Gates said: "I'm super-enthused about what it will do in lots of ways."

Unclear is whether Gates was referring to early testing of Windows 7 coming within the year, as opposed to a widespread release or debut. An early test geared toward developers would be conceivable.

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There is no plan to extend sales of other editions of Windows XP beyond June 30, 2008. We are very proud of the progress that we have made with Windows Vista over the last sixteen months. Since its launch, Windows Vista has become the fastest-selling operating system in Microsoft history, and more than 100 million Windows Vista licenses have been sold worldwide.

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so fast declaring a new version windows project....tat mean 1 or 2 years later they will be beta test then we get new windows again loh.....
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ya... this time i sure take part coz vista beta tester gets a free vista... i want! the vista that time i got test but i didn't submit a bug! :@
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ya... this time i sure take part coz vista beta tester gets a free vista... i want! the vista that time i got test but i didn't submit a bug! :@
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to take part, u need to subscribe msdn...if not mistaken....which cost over 2k

btw, hopefully win7 's hardware requirement is same as vista, i just bought my new PC
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So is this the final nail in the vista coffin? Being that driver support and stability in vista is still severely lacking.

This announcement will make it worse as hardware and software vendors are gonna think what is the point investing in creating stable drivers for vista this year when, they will have to do it again next year for Windows7.

Does this mean that Vista will never be a stable OS and will be forgotten with the Windows 7 out next year?
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QUOTE(The_Lestat @ Apr 5 2008, 05:50 PM)
So is this the final nail in the vista coffin? Being that driver support and stability in vista is still severely lacking.

This announcement will make it worse as hardware and software vendors are gonna think what is the point investing in creating stable drivers for vista this year when, they will have to do it again next year for Windows7.

Does this mean that Vista will never be a stable OS and will be forgotten with the Windows 7 out next year?
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thinking back from what u said, vista may happen to be like windows 2000.... the WOW really starts here laugh.gif laugh.gif

but currently it seems that vista is quite stable and when i see the interface of windows 7, it still look like vista... but im not sure bout the features....
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wow got free stuff one......but u need to be active and always report bug to them!
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no need always la... when vista was launched they stated to all beta tester that report one bug (just one bug) will get a free vista...

QUOTE(The_Lestat @ Apr 5 2008, 05:50 PM)
So is this the final nail in the vista coffin? Being that driver support and stability in vista is still severely lacking.

This announcement will make it worse as hardware and software vendors are gonna think what is the point investing in creating stable drivers for vista this year when, they will have to do it again next year for Windows7.

Does this mean that Vista will never be a stable OS and will be forgotten with the Windows 7 out next year?
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Will as we all know M$ are delay pro... so they say next year can be next two or three years... but i think windows 7 would use the same hardware and software base of vista... since they are so close together...
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Haiyya.......Microsoft always cause hardware vendor,software developer and end user a headache.......

See what happen to Creative.......all bcos Vista tongue.gif
End user also complaining about the requirement for Vista.....now there wanna release the new OS.........

p/s Nowadays Microsoft tends to make OS just like trend/fashion.......where hardware vendor,software developer and end user a headache.......waaaaaaaaa........Linux......we need you sad.gif
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QUOTE(SpIcYjOe @ Apr 5 2008, 08:30 PM)
Will as we all know M$ are delay pro... so they say next year can be next two or three years... but i think windows 7 would use the same hardware and software base of vista... since they are so close together...
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have to agree with u there bro.... they even cant make vista stable enough for all user and now they trying to come out with a new windows... really doubt in one year can do that much thing...
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lol.... M$ always think they are the best... but hmmm... lets think about it... biggrin.gif
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this is way too fasst la... the market not 100% ready for vista yet now comes this 7. any how will stay tuned for the testing tongue.gif
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QUOTE(SpIcYjOe @ Apr 5 2008, 08:30 PM)
no need always la... when vista was launched they stated to all beta tester that report one bug (just one bug) will get a free vista...
Will as we all know M$ are delay pro... so they say next year can be next two or three years... but i think windows 7 would use the same hardware and software base of vista... since they are so close together...
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Yah M$ first launch beta version for ppl to test! That would take already 1 year loh! then later they make it and have more technical problem bla bla bla tat will be few yers later!

QUOTE(digita1tech @ Apr 6 2008, 12:38 AM)
Haiyya.......Microsoft always cause hardware vendor,software developer and end user a headache.......

See what happen to Creative.......all bcos Vista tongue.gif
End user also complaining about the requirement for Vista.....now there wanna release the new OS.........

p/s Nowadays Microsoft tends to make OS just like trend/fashion.......where hardware vendor,software developer and end user a headache.......waaaaaaaaa........Linux......we need you sad.gif
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No onli hardware vendor! We user also get some impact!
Biggest problem is every OS they come out with we need to paid for it! It is not like Linux every single update is free!
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No onli hardware vendor! We user also get some impact!
Biggest problem is every OS they come out with we need to paid for it! It is not like Linux every single update is free!
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Direct X 11 is coming..

It is coming either in Dec 2009 or Jan 2010..Aa so fast.
And soon 32bit are gonna out of sight,becos microsoft gonna switch to 64bit.

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time for Mac OS X . muahahhaa ... anyway , i have to agree in one thing. vista has too many unwanted graphics and GUI which slows and make everything looks un-organized .
at first sight , yes , it is cool . but it is not user friendly .
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When 32 bits are gone.Its time for 64 bit tongue.gif
Good for AMD User.

o.O Vista slows for you?I dont think lehz,plus its faster than Windows XP thumbup.gif
But yes those unnecessary Aero Interface bla bla gives slowness but you wont feel it so much.MAYBE without the DirectX 10 we cant play latest games? wink.gif

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i really don't think it will be
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hope it better than vista, don giv that much problem.
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QUOTE(BridgestoneRE711 @ Apr 11 2008, 02:29 PM)
time for Mac OS X . muahahhaa ... anyway , i have to agree in one thing. vista has too many unwanted graphics and GUI which slows and make everything looks un-organized .
at first sight , yes , it is cool . but it is not user friendly .
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imo its something u have to adapt with. for example if u are a mac user im sure u would say windows is not user friendly or vise versa.... its all because u are just not use to it.......... for me, i have use windows vista and i think its more user friendly compare with XP...

imo every OS has its ups and downs and user frenly is based on the user not the windows.. anyway just an opinion only...

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M$ will stop support XP? i hope they release SP3 before they stop support XP... :S
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XP will continue as still not everybody can afford vista in term of hardware... so no worries....
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it is cheap nowsaday to buy the hardware that can run vista....
i wont change to vista because i see no great functon that can make upgrade from win xp.....
looking forward to windows 7, hope they with using the new file system else i think i better stick with xp still...
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M$ will stop support XP? i hope they release SP3 before they stop support XP... :S
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it is confirmed that SP3 will be released, the question is ... when? laugh.gif
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windows 7 will coming soon?guess need to change more hardware towards this..
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QUOTE(tvcat @ Apr 12 2008, 04:37 PM)
it is cheap nowsaday to buy the hardware that can run vista....
i wont change to vista because i see no great functon that can make upgrade from win xp.....
looking forward to windows 7, hope they with using the new file system else i think i better stick with xp still...
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its cheap for ppl who has socket 775 as RAM, GC and proc can be upgrade easily.... but for those still using old socket like 478 will have difficulties... unless they are prepare to spend around 2000 for a new pc...

btw i do think vista is much better in term of function compare to XP

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so mind to show me some better function ??
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directx 10 is a very good example bro.... and iinm vista enhance graphic so its actually very useful for hardcore designers and gamers too...
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looks nice with the interface shown..but dunno is it same as Vista or not laugh.gif
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XP will continue as still not everybody can afford vista in term of hardware... so no worries....
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they will force everybody upgrade pc
such as winxp made p4 ended p2 and p3 age...
only the time problem....
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they will force everybody upgrade pc
such as winxp made p4 ended p2 and p3 age...
only the time problem....
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actually they dont force u... some ppl wanna look force so they have a reason to get new things.. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

imo, if u cant afford to upgrade then juct stick with current windows... that is y u still see ppl using windows 98....
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this OS so great but hav to wait until 2010. sad.gif
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QUOTE(tvcat @ Apr 12 2008, 07:25 PM)
so mind to show me some better function ??
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- Intergrated search
- no more memory leak unlike XP
- less crashes
- DX10 (blame the slowness on the drivers, not teh OS)
- Better protection (out of the box, it's better protected even than Mac OSX)
- Sandbox mode for IE
- Uncluttered menus

Windows 7 is all this +
- WinFS (new Filesystem based upon NTFS + SQL)
- New menu
- DX11

So you can say Windows 7 is just Vista on steroids

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Apr 14 2008, 02:54 PM)
So you can say Windows 7 is just Vista on steroids
hmm.gif cant be too certain about that.. it's too early to know. and knowing microsoft, it probably is true but~~ people moves forward sometimes do they.. even M$
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Windows 7 interface look great from now. But after reach 2010 year, I think the interface will be old and no surprise.
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Windows 7 interface look great from now. But after reach 2010 year, I think the interface will be old and no surprise.
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very2 nice display...hehe biggrin.gif better get one
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QUOTE(freddy manson @ Apr 14 2008, 04:33 PM)
hmm.gif cant be too certain about that.. it's too early to know. and knowing microsoft, it probably is true but~~ people moves forward sometimes do they.. even M$
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err... because that's what teh microsoft developers are calling it on MSDN's blog? The menu will be more akin to Office 2007's "Ribbon".

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Imagine if Windows Vista was a big update to Windows XP... you know, the same XP thingies, but new interface, just like Vista BUT its still Windows XP...

I'm sure this version, I call it Windows XP 2.0 would sell really well...
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Apr 20 2008, 11:33 AM)
Imagine if Windows Vista was a big update to Windows XP... you know, the same XP thingies, but new interface, just like Vista BUT its still Windows XP...

I'm sure this version, I call it Windows XP 2.0 would sell really well...
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PS:I hate Vista to the max and I ain't got enough money to buy a mac
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Regarless of what OS microsoft releases, it will definitely sell well, regardless how lousy it is

PS:I hate Vista to the max and I ain't got enough money to buy a mac
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There are no lousy OS, just lousy users lol

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Vienna juz the codename. Why Vienna?? hmm.gif Vienna=sauage, place in austria hmm.gif
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Codename is Windows 7 aka BlackComb. Vienna is the working name.
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Codename is Windows 7 aka BlackComb. Vienna is the working name.
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Windows 7 interface look great from now. But after reach 2010 year, I think the interface will be old and no surprise.
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hope this one can owned xp and vista especially haha...

no way im using vista... stick to my xp till no more games can be play in xp haha...
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it also supports multitab touch screen features right?
So what will happen to displays?
Will the technology be available by 2010?
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hopefully it can support most of the older game like diablo and diablo2

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i like swt wen reading some of the comment here...
You see, wen Xp 1st release, alot yelling not stable here and there and stick with Win98
then wen Xp finally stable, then vista release, ppl still say still yell vista not stable here and there and stick with XP
Then Vienna release later?? wanna terus use vienna ar?

Vista seem really suitable for gamers (although some really old game can't play) with DX10 freature and all.
if u can afford a pc can really support vista, but cant afford new games?
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And this is Windows se7en VIENNA transformation pack..maybe someone wanna try.. cool2.gif

In This Pack:
1) Windows Se7en Theme
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3) Windows Se7en Boot
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Vienna Transformation Pack

credit to saeed_one
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Windows 7, (formerly codenamed Blackcomb and later Vienna) is the working name for the next major version of Microsoft Windows as the successor to Windows Vista.[2] Microsoft has announced that it is "scoping Windows 7 development to a three-year timeframe", and that "the specific release date will ultimately be determined by meeting the quality bar."[3] Windows 7 is expected to be released in 3 June 2009.[4]

Windows 7 will ship in both client and server versions with the client versions available in both 32-bit and 64-bit editions.[3] The server version of Windows 7 will be called Windows Server 2008 R2[5] and will be 64-bit only.

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Microsoft gives up on Vista, Windows 7 to launch June

Microsoft has finally decided to give up on making users see the light on Vista as a lost cause. They are instead focusing on the next generation of Windows - Windows 7 as their only salvation.


Publicly, Microsoft has said Windows 7, the successor operating system to the firm's much maligned Windows Vista, will not ship until early 2010, but its internal calendar has June 3, 2009 as the planned release date. The beta of the software is to be released on October 27 at its Professional Developers Conference. Already Microsoft are working on the third major build, M3 (which are made prior to the beta).

Inside sources confirm that internal builds have already been made available to partners for hardware and software certification. Windows 7 is not a whole new OS but an evolution of Vista, and will reuse the old kernel and device driver model. That means it would use the kernel in its newer state, when Microsoft updated it with Vista's first service pack. It also means existing device drivers for Vista will work on Windows 7.


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besides the initial hefty system requirement for vista back in 2006/07, what is so bad about it now? and what kind of improvements that vienna can offer?
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it should be more faster, less problems than Vista and more spec
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it should be more faster, less problems than Vista and more spec
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That's what they always say when new versions coming in.

"it should be more faster, less problems than ME and more spec"

"it should be more faster, less problems than XP and more spec"

"it should be more faster, less problems than Windows 3.11 and more spec"
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QUOTE(hussam_o_r @ Sep 19 2008, 11:42 AM)
it should be more faster, less problems than Vista and more spec
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first - you interpret it wrong - Vienna is based on Vista, it is not a replacement, yet, and it may introduce more problems than Vista did, Microsoft releases are always like that. Second the isn't from Microsoft - hence it is not official. third, Vienna is still in very early stage. Microsoft will definitely drop/add stuff to Vienna.

It is meant to replace Vista in a long run... Like Vista meant to replace XP after the extended support ended.
That means it is still a long way before Vista will be replaced by the outcome of project Vienna.

sweat.gif No one will know the actual outcome of project Vienna until the CTP releases...

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just informing as what I read along the webs, I opened this topic to talk about what we know, believe and what we are thinking.
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QUOTE(dopodplaya @ Sep 19 2008, 11:52 AM)
first - you interpret it wrong - Vienna is based on Vista, it is not a replacement, yet, and it may introduce more problems than Vista did, Microsoft releases are always like that. Second the isn't from Microsoft - hence it is not official. third, Vienna is still in very early stage. Microsoft will definitely drop/add stuff to Vienna.

It is meant to replace Vista in a long run... Like Vista meant to replace XP after the extended support ended.
That means it is still a long way before Vista will be replaced by the outcome of project Vienna.

sweat.gif No one will know the actual outcome of project Vienna until the CTP releases...
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The Milestone 3 has been out, and they're "upgrading" Wordpad and Paint with Ribbon UI... lol
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So fast giving up Vista. Guess Vista is a failure.... sad.gif
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1590
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QUOTE(ac_N1 @ Sep 19 2008, 01:15 PM)
So fast giving up Vista. Guess Vista is a failure.... sad.gif
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I don't buy this one bit. Talking in Microsoft own forum, the exec there are suprised with the Wiki entry. And remember how fast Longhorn hit Milestone 4? Considering at the time Longhorn was not even based on XP people were surprised on how fast it went, but it was bogged down to 2007.
And hey! you need a machine faster than the one that currently running vista to run Vienna.
Whoever the moron who think up of this just because he's a vista hater don't take that in consideration did they?

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Various news said it is juz an upgraded Vista with more stability, faster, etc. I hope the drivers is compatible with vista hardware or else need to buy new hardware again.
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Here are some screenshots of the latest Windows 7

it just looks like vista... sad.gif

http://robinseeds.blogspot.com/2008/09/win...like-vista.html
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Lol, if it's like that then they should have named it Vista 2 laugh.gif ..

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cannot la....sound so cheap
that why they name it Vienna
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Anyone expecting big interface leaps really needs to be patient. UI is likely to be unchanged or finalised until pretty late in to the beta process.
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A limited vista on Windows 7

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10047289-75.html


Windows 7 leaked screenshots :-

http://www.thinknext.net/archives/2268


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Take note : ribbon menu

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Looks simple though.. I wonder if it's going to be like a slim version of Vista, all cutted down to free memory. MS Office 07 looks better imo.
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E-mail, photo programs stripped from Windows 7

Source : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10048142...adStoriesArea.0

Microsoft has decided that Windows 7 won't include built-in programs for e-mail, photo editing, and movie making, as was done with Windows Vista, CNET News.com has learned.

The software maker included Windows Photo Gallery, Windows Mail, and Windows Movie Maker as part of Vista, but later chose to offer separate downloadable Windows Live programs that essentially replaced those components with versions that could connect to online services from Microsoft and others.

Microsoft told CNET News late Monday that it has decided to remove those features entirely from Windows 7 and instead offer only the service-connected Windows Live versions as optional free downloads. Earlier on Monday, Microsoft had declined to say how it was handling things.

In a follow-up interview on Monday, Windows Vista general manager Brian Hall said Microsoft made the decision to remove the tools from Windows for several reasons, including a desire to issue new operating system releases more quickly than it has in the past. The move also removes the confusion of offering and supporting two different programs that perform essentially similar functions.

"It makes it much cleaner," Hall said.

Lastly, he said, making the Windows Live tools completely separate from the operating system paves the way for Microsoft to work selectively with specific partners.

"We can do things with specific partners to enable really great experiences that might be hard in Windows," Hall said.

Antitrust rules make it hard for Microsoft to tie operating system features to specific services.

Microsoft last week rolled out the latest "Wave 3" releases of its Windows Live programs, adding Windows Live Movie Maker to the mix of programs, which includes Windows Live Photo Gallery and Windows Live Mail as well as blogging tool Windows Live Writer and instant messaging program Windows Live Messenger. While Windows XP and earlier releases had an instant messaging program built in, Microsoft took out that feature in Windows Vista.

Hall said it was too soon to say if the "Wave 4" release would precede Windows 7 or be coincident to it. Microsoft has said it will have Windows 7 on the market by January 2010, while CEO Steve Ballmer has said he is pushing for a release next year.

"We'll do Wave 3 and then we'll figure it out," Hall said.

It remains to be seen just how Microsoft will distribute the Windows Live programs in conjunction with Windows 7-based PCs. Presumably the company could strike deals with computer makers or retailers to include the software, or links to download it.
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QUOTE(light bulb @ Sep 23 2008, 03:22 AM)
Looks simple though.. I wonder if it's going to be like a slim version of Vista, all cutted down to free memory. MS Office 07 looks better imo.
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Like we said, it's Vista, but with different UI (ribbon), new File System (winFS), and DirectX11. It would still use the Vista memory management, which is awesome, but a source of complaint when noobs who have no idea how it works, complained that it eats memory. +
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I can't wait for this Win 7. MS Vista is the best Win OS for me. My productivity up 40% by using Vista. Thumbs up!
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since this is just a slimmed down version of vista, would it actually have a lower system requirement?

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QUOTE(cyew86 @ Sep 27 2008, 08:19 PM)
since this is just a slimmed down version of vista, would it actually have a lower system requirement?
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No. This is NOT a slimmed down version. It has more features, new FileSystem, and newer UI which would take advantage of newer and more powerful graphic card. If anything, this would mean a higher system spec than Vista

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where did they got this idea that 7 is going to be a slimmer vista shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(cyew86 @ Sep 27 2008, 09:08 PM)
from other forummers laugh.gif
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lol, not all of them are informed. Sometimes they just see someone say it and believe it without checking the source. If you want real information, try Paul Thurrot's blog, or AeroXP.org's forum

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thanks for the info, will certainly check it out notworthy.gif
my PC can't even support Vista so i really have no idea how it perform, so i just read all those comments by the forummers here
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so it would be like xp SP2 or somethngy? since its an update n not like xp -> vista...
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Kinda like Vista + new looks. On the outside, it looks new, but underneath, it would still be Vista
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looks like an improved version of vista.hope it'll be good though...
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 27 2008, 10:47 PM)
lol, not all of them are informed. Sometimes they just see someone say it and believe it without checking the source. If you want real information, try Paul Thurrot's blog, or AeroXP.org's forum
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what he meant there was the feature like Windows 2008 where the components can be selected upon install, reducing numbers of running apps/services, thus lowering the memory requirement... ahhhh... I miss teh MinWin hype... rolleyes.gif
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Microsoft confirms Windows 7 is final name

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In a blog, Mike Nash, Corporate Vice President, Windows Product Management confirmed the news.

"Since we began development of the next version of the Windows client operating system we have been referring to it by a codename, "Windows 7." But now is a good time to announce that we've decided to officially call the next version of Windows, "Windows 7" Nash said.

This is the first time a Windows OS has been named by its codename. The decision was made for simplicity. Nash added "this is the seventh release of Windows, so therefore "Windows 7" just makes sense."

Microsoft is set to reveal a lot more about Windows 7 at its professional developers conference which starts on the 27th October. Neowin will be live all week so look out for some great information about the future of Windows right here.

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsv...-windows-7.aspx
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Pay me and I go. If not I just wait for the updates by the ones that goes lol
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does windows 7 suitable for gaming?
wonder it is better/worst than vista...
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Oct 14 2008, 07:41 AM)
Pay me and I go. If not I just wait for the updates by the ones that goes lol
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I'm sane enough not to sponsor you for teh trip lol sweat.gif It's freakin' expensive (not including plane tickets) but when thinking about 160GB worths of Microsoft latest stuffs in it, it will be worthwhile if I had the money... rolleyes.gif looks like we need to wait for WinBeta or it's equivalent group to release em on teh kongsi-cepat (rapidshare) brows.gif


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does windows 7 suitable for gaming?
wonder it is better/worst than vista...
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lol, it's not even reach public beta status, so why don't you shove up ur *** and just play on Vista? or XP if you preferred it more?

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vista.... a failure =.=
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nice...an improved vista... vista is good already...hope they make it better biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ahnien @ Oct 14 2008, 03:14 PM)
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QUOTE(alien0110 @ Oct 14 2008, 03:24 PM)
I am waiting for windows 8
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doesn't care which version you wait for, if your PC didn't pass Vista, what make you think it will pass 7? 8? 9? 10?
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hopefully MS will get things right for win7
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its not the OS problem. its US (as in customer) problem..

u think u can use Windows7 or Win8 kah kalau specs pun ndak cukup kuat?

surely it'll take MORE processor power, more RAM, and obviously more STORAGE...

if u dont like Vista, u'll surely wont be liking the continuation of its legacy..
vista got problems? surely the next gen will have MORE problems. as the OS is upgrading it'll surely undergo many changes... and A LOT of us hate changes when we're to suttle to settle for what we have now..

even im using Vista now, i have to be satisfy with what i get. i pay for what i get, and what they can offer...

yes, newer OS is more beautiful, more powerful.. but problems is something that HAVE TO EXISTS in this 'competition of upgrading' time...
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Hey, I just want a Windows XP with desktop thumbnails and improved security. Windows XP is perfectly fine.
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yeah rite now u can say like that, like previous windows, such as 98, ME, 2000,

but microsoft will force the customer to use new os from them, they starting to stop all the updates, etc2 for the windows....

and then after that you realized that ur current windows not good anymore....yeah, of course, new windows more good, with new interface, security, etc2.. but need powerfull pc b4 u can run smoothly...ngaaa~~~~!!!.. tongue.gif

b4 this some said, vista no good, messy settings, etc2...but now, most of the people change their os already, heheh..because what?..yeah they look some of the people use it, so they want to try, and after try..they satisfied, hahah!!...i also like that...after installed vista, i dun want to use xp anymore!!!yay!!...i like it!!..same feeling after i change my ME to XP!!!!.... rolleyes.gif


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lol. exactly. sooner or later ull have to change to either vista or 7.. haha.. so enjoy ur XP as much as possible. lol


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QUOTE(skyacer @ Oct 15 2008, 10:14 PM)
d'oh doh.gif looks like you're just using Windows XP Service Pack 3 and not anything near Windows 7. And oh, you're using pirated one too doh.gif
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d'oh doh.gif looks like you're just using Windows XP Service Pack 3 and not anything near Windows 7. And oh, you're using pirated one too doh.gif
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YA...is pirated but it can update with window genuine......and the windows7 system tools have analog clock/core temp/filemenu tools/hwmonitor/reshacker/runme/setting/thumbwin/topdesk/transbar/truetransparency/ubericon/ultraexplorer/vienna explorer/visualtasktips/windows 7 pie dock and Yzshadow.

I install 1 more software "rainmeter" make more pretty when view my desktop


Added on October 16, 2008, 12:11 amwindows7 nice part is the "windows 7 pie dock" and center desktop very nice...
I can say this windows can fight with windows VISTA...

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QUOTE(skyacer @ Oct 16 2008, 12:08 AM)
YA...is pirated but it can update with window genuine......and the windows7 system tools have analog clock/core temp/filemenu tools/hwmonitor/reshacker/runme/setting/thumbwin/topdesk/transbar/truetransparency/ubericon/ultraexplorer/vienna explorer/visualtasktips/windows 7 pie dock and Yzshadow.

I install 1 more software "rainmeter" make more pretty when view my desktop


Added on October 16, 2008, 12:11 amwindows7 nice part is the "windows 7 pie dock" and center desktop very nice...
I can say this windows can fight with windows VISTA...
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OPs,sorry i see wrong aready ya this is windows xp sp3 with visual style vienna

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QUOTE(skyacer @ Oct 16 2008, 12:08 AM)
and the windows7 system tools have analog clock/core temp/filemenu tools/hwmonitor/reshacker/runme/setting/thumbwin/topdesk/transbar/truetransparency/ubericon/ultraexplorer/vienna explorer/visualtasktips/windows 7 pie dock and Yzshadow.
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I've used an early release of Windows 7 (really old one) and it does not looks anywhere near that. Nothing nice to see except the drivers are Vista drivers lol
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QUOTE(freddy manson @ Oct 15 2008, 10:04 AM)
its not the OS problem. its US (as in customer) problem..

u think u can use Windows7 or Win8 kah kalau specs pun ndak cukup kuat?

surely it'll take MORE processor power, more RAM, and obviously more STORAGE...
Interesting remark there as I scoured for this article; A chip too far? - FORTUNE magazine. Although technically the article's contents are mostly redundant to this subject, it does hold some aspects open to questions.

I disagree the part where the problem lies with US...Here's why...

I have long held a bit of contempt with this "hardware needs to keep up with the OS" direction taken by Microsoft based on various factors, 1 of it being; the OS core efficiencies vs. the value from optimized hardware usage's on money spent. In simpler terms, how is it that other far more resilient, robust and literally usage abuse-resistant OSes such as the Mac OS and Linux can be scaled back to not rely or be dependent on raw processing powers alone? It's a known fact that most Wintel or WinAMD DIYed rigs or even mainstream notebooks or laptops are way more better specced than any Mac configurations. You name it whether if it's a Macbook, Macbook Pro, iMac or Mac Pro towers. A typical midrange or low even, Wintel/AMD we can set up out of Low Yat today at far lower prices can easily beat any Mac systems offered currently. Of course the age old "Can it play Crysis" snorts comes into play along with DirectX bragvados, while the always sticky issue of computer gaming still stands so does OS efficiencies.

But here's the kicker; Mac OS works out of the box, does what the user wants it to do very well with less to no hiccups even if it's on more expensive yet underpowered hardware. whistling.gif That's my point. Ignore the prices at the moment and look at older Macbooks's specs before this recent update.

Name me 1 Linux distro out there under the sun that you can't run on 4-5 year old (some can even go way back older) rigs... I'm waiting cool2.gif

"Hardware needs to keep up with the OS" is just the mother of all FUD. Usage trumps all. There's valid reasons why all of these teeny tiny cutey but lamey netbooks are all the rage. It gets what you want it to do... done. Full stop.

Answer? Both (Mac OS and Linux) are coded and engineered to work better on available technologies to maximize a user's ROI, simple as that. To work with users' in mind, not against the user. Definitely not against their wallets. You can argue otherwise when it comes to Mac fanbois but even as I'm not a Mac user, I'm finding it very very hard to have ever seen my Mac using friends ever regret their purchases. They actually save later into the coming years when they can comfortably wait out for Apple's keynotes and product revamps with no apparent probs whatsoever. Us Win users? Pray you're not a gamer or you'd have to jump, evaluate and scrounge for necessary upgrades, at every title that tries to outmax any DX extravaganzas with their sequels. That's not counting that we have to wait out for game patches to sort out compatibilities (Vista 64 anyone? brows.gif) or drivers for same. AND pray if even for "simple yet necessary" service packs' changes doesn't bloat the rig down. MS are lucky that Vista SP1 seems to work the opposite. Same with my Linux hobbyist friends. They're complete freaks at hoarding older systems just for the heck of it, a "luxury" of a hobby that you won't dare to gamble to waste time, energy and money on if you intend to play with Windows.

Yes multimedia APIs are important so does to hold gaming in the vessel but for the rest of the tasks? ; productivity, DTP & design & web? The only saving grace for Windows these days are familiarities and DirectX...that's discounting the fact if most Win gamers would resort to move to their own Xbox if they haven't already...If a Linux distro such as ubuntu can ever figure out how to properly run DirectX apps and more importantly; how to kill off command line out of generic use equation with no or less tradeoffs, MS can say bye bye to Win forever.

I fail to see the relevance, the economic sense and base efficiency for a user to be allocating 20 - 50% system resources just to hold an OS' "desktop" with visual effects in place before running separate applications on top of it?

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QUOTE(eq8all @ Oct 16 2008, 09:28 AM)
But here's the kicker; Mac OS works out of the box, does what the user wants it to do very well with less to no hiccups even if it's on more expensive yet underpowered hardware.  whistling.gif That's my point. Ignore the prices at the moment and look at older Macbooks's specs before this recent update.
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then you must know that even from before, Mac hardwares are monopolized by Apple right? That explain why it "work out of the box", in the meanwhile, WinTel WinAMD combination got lots of different hardwares and configurations, so who's to blame? If the PC hardware manufacturing are monopolized by Microsoft and Microsoft alone (or Intel alone), I'm sure you will see any version of Windows that "work out of the box" like Mac, just my tiny cent here... eventhough not related... sweat.gif
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then you must know that even from before, Mac hardwares are monopolized by Apple right? That explain why it "work out of the box", in the meanwhile, WinTel WinAMD combination got lots of different hardwares and configurations, so who's to blame? If the PC hardware manufacturing are monopolized by Microsoft and Microsoft alone (or Intel alone), I'm sure you will see any version of Windows that "work out of the box" like Mac, just my tiny cent here... eventhough not related... sweat.gif
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What needs to be done in this upcoming Windows 7 are simple but oddly hard enough for MS to do. We don't need 3 separate desktop editions in 32 or 64 bits variations. We want one that can get the job done and not "beta" until the next service pack. And someone should fix the licensing crap once and for all for same user, diff installations. Any user worth his or her salt wants to fork out RM600-1000 on graphic cards or some more on 4-8gb of memory to run separate applications on top of the OS, not the other way round. Unless if anyone tells me that MS plans to pack Office, Firefox, Photoshop, Python and Blender all in the OS as a single package (btw this thing is becoming a standard in most Linux distros these days ALREADY....and free...) then it's a diff storylah... cool2.gif Gigs of RAM just to look at my wallpaper and make sure my windows stays transparent oni? Come on weh hmm.gif Heck even if it's just a redone Vista but easier on hardware reqs, XP-like fast and priced I'm grateful edi


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I've used an early release of Windows 7 (really old one) and it does not looks anywhere near that. Nothing nice to see except the drivers are Vista drivers lol
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Isn't milestone 3 out already? uhh or maybe I've misread about it somewhere.

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Isn't milestone 3 out already? uhh or maybe I've misread about it somewhere.
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to me, i'm still using windows xp until today. and i have no immediate urge to use vista. what more windows 7 :s
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is it windows 7 coming out too fast?we used windows XP a numbers of years right?
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woah..they producing it very fast!
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walao i hope vista user get free upgrade or topup abit for this upgrade bcoz vista lifespan juz too low
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Updates from PDC2008.

Windows 7's new UI.
http://www.neowin.net/news/live/08/10/28/i...he-windows-7-ui
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QUOTE(mystical zero @ Oct 29 2008, 02:52 AM)
Updates from PDC2008.

Windows 7's new UI.
http://www.neowin.net/news/live/08/10/28/i...he-windows-7-ui
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Is it me, or the taskbar buttons do look like Linux taskbar buttons? hmm.gif
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Is it me, or the taskbar buttons do look like Linux taskbar buttons? hmm.gif
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That was what i thought too. They somehow resemble KDE taskbar buttons.

Just wondering if the so-called "PlayTo" option is similar to what pulseaudio does to output audio streams to remote PCs. hmm.gif

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I hope it has option for a smaller taskbar..
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Would like to see more new feature in this Windows and the compatibility.
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looks like there will still be confusing editions like Vista, hmmm...
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Hmm Easier Upgrade..
Anyway,Microsoft said,Windows seVen will not be memory hogger.Maybe Windows 7 Ultimate requires only 512MB of RAM..But we will see..
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Hmm Easier Upgrade..
Anyway,Microsoft said,Windows seVen will not be memory hogger.Maybe Windows 7 Ultimate requires only 512MB of RAM..But we will see..
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cannot buy so fast,wait till 2010-2011 to buy or maybe later,cause you see vista now,so many software and stuff not compatible with it.
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微软 WINDOWS 7 明年初推试用版

(三藩市讯)微软周二在洛杉矶举行的专业开发者大会上,推出了具有更多功能,更易操作的“视窗7”(WINDOWS7). 吸取 “视窗VISTA”的表现差强人意和引来大量投诉的教训,微软声称这套新作业系统会在很多方面做出改善,保证使用者不会生气。

“视窗7”计划在明年底或2010年初正式推出发售,但明年初可以开始提供试用版给部分用家使用。届时,微软将通过MSDN和Windows.com 开放下载。

微软称,“视窗7”是两年前推出的“视窗Vista”操作系统的改进版本,但避免了后者的部分缺陷,能让用户更方便地在视窗,文件和应用软件之间切换,以更快进入最近使用的文件,实现了家庭上网连接自动化。

在设计上,“视窗7”保留了"Vista" 的部分特色,但其他不受欢迎的功能,则会被放弃。“视窗7”的运用速度更快,所需的记忆体更少。用家若利用“视窗7”建立家具网络,比"Vista" 或 “XP”更加方便。




Translated:Microsoft Windows 7 RC in beginning 2009

(San Francisco): On Tuesday, Microsoft announces and launches its latest version of Windows 7 in the Professional Developer Conference in Los Angeles. After experiencing a heavy condemn from user regarding the outperform Window Vista, Microsoft reassure to its client that Windows 7 will able to overcome the problems and weaknesses that occur in Vista and hopefully this time it does satiesfied the users.

Window 7 is expected to be in the market by the end of next year or the beginning of 2010. But the Release Candidate (RC) version will be available for download and testing by the beginning of next year. Microsoft will provide the download for RC through MSDN and Window.com.

According to Microsoft, Window 7 is the replacement and upgrade for Window Vista that is launched two years ago. It has overcome all the failures that is being issued in Vista, enhance the windows,document and application switches making access to My Recent Document much faster and it realized the automated internet connection function.

Particular design and effect of Window Vista is kept in Window 7. But other unfamous function that is available in Vista will be eliminated in Window 7. The processing speed for Window 7 will be much faster and the consumption for RAM will be less. Window 7 is seen as more convenient in setting up a Internet Connection if compared to Window Vista/XP


P/S: Sorry for my bad english. biggrin.gif

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P/S: Sorry for my bad english.  biggrin.gif
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Another angry news for nVidia users vmad.gif whistling.gif ..Perhaps

Windows 7 to use DirectX 10.1

50 percent less memory per window

Our colleagues here managed to get a nice photo of a Windows 7 presentation where the big giant talked about GPU usage in Windows 7.

One of the most interesting things was the official confirmation that Windows 7 will use DirectX 10.1 API, something that works well in ATI's advantage. It doesn’t look that DirectX 11 will be ready to launch together with Windows 7 and it will probably come later even though there might be some DirectX 11 hardware to launch in 2009.

DirectX 10.1 will help Windows 7 to scale better from low end to high-end hardware and put it in good use especially when it comes to user interface. Shaders will be used for the Glass and Windows 7 memory consumption is cut by 50 percent per window, something that memory manufacturers and GPU guys might not really appreciate.

Windows 7 will also have richer thumbnail animations and at the same time it comes with Media Center user interface, Video playback and Desktop Window Manager (DWM), all borrowed from Vista. We are not aware of any improvements in these area compared to Vista.

We are sure that these features will also work on DirectX 10.0 hardware but Microsoft has decided to promote DirectX 10.1 support this time.

Hmm..I wonder.. sweat.gif whistling.gif

Source

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i'm dx10.1 ready..
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Oct 30 2008, 08:17 PM)
Another angry news for nVidia users  vmad.gif   whistling.gif ..Perhaps

Windows 7 to use DirectX 10.1

50 percent less memory per window

Our colleagues here managed to get a nice photo of a Windows 7 presentation where the big giant talked about GPU usage in Windows 7.

One of the most interesting things was the official confirmation that Windows 7 will use DirectX 10.1 API, something that works well in ATI's advantage. It doesn’t look that DirectX 11 will be ready to launch together with Windows 7 and it will probably come later even though there might be some DirectX 11 hardware to launch in 2009.

DirectX 10.1 will help Windows 7 to scale better from low end to high-end hardware and put it in good use especially when it comes to user interface. Shaders will be used for the Glass and Windows 7 memory consumption is cut by 50 percent per window, something that memory manufacturers and GPU guys might not really appreciate.

Windows 7 will also have richer thumbnail animations and at the same time it comes with Media Center user interface, Video playback and Desktop Window Manager (DWM), all borrowed from Vista. We are not aware of any improvements in these area compared to Vista.

We are sure that these features will also work on DirectX 10.0 hardware but Microsoft has decided to promote DirectX 10.1 support this time.

Hmm..I wonder..  sweat.gif   whistling.gif

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btw, the usual suspect (read:WinBeta) has leaked Windows 7 M3 Build 6801 that has been distributed to PDC 2008 attendees. Sadly, the distributed build is not the one showcased at PDC 2008 which is a newer build. So you won't get to see those KDE taskbar etc.

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How about the performance?I mean when loading Windows..is it faster than Vista?Try checking the Memory to see if its a memory hogger like Vista..
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it looks something like an upgrade similar to Win98 over Win95
hopefully my system would be able to run it by the time it is released smile.gif
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Any Vista Capable PC/Vista Ready PC should be able to run it without any problems. smile.gif
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OMG, come on... how come I don't know about this site... !! sad.gif

Dammit... it looks fantastic. I bet Microsoft will pull this one fantastically...
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How about the performance?I mean when loading Windows..is it faster than Vista?Try checking the Memory to see if its a memory hogger like Vista..
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Added on October 31, 2008, 3:33 pmTidbits about the new “superbar” taskbar:
- Labels can be turned on. But they'll appear for runnings apps only.
- Button overflow is still handled by scroll windows. This could change before final.
- You can separate the buttons of grouped applications. They'll be split into separate buttons, but stuck together side-by-side.
- Now this is pretty cool: progress bars on taskbar buttons
- How taskbar looks like at the top
- What happens when there's way too many grouped windows (i.e. more than 10)

http://www.istartedsomething.com/20081031/...perbar-taskbar/

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You can download Windows 7 M3 6801... 2.75Gb I think...

Will do that next week or the following week...

The new Aero Peek rocks! You can see all the minimized windows as they would look when opened... but is just a 'ghost' windows...



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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Oct 31 2008, 09:21 PM)
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You can download Windows 7 M3 6801... 2.75Gb I think...

Will do that next week or the following week...

The new Aero Peek rocks! You can see all the minimized windows as they would look when opened... but is just a 'ghost' windows...
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Yes, it's already leaked already by WinBeta

Windows 7 32-bit 6801
6801.0.080913-2030_Client_en-us_ULTIMATE-ULTIMATE_GB1CFRE_EN_DVD.iso
2.72GB

Windows 7 64-bit 6801
6801.0.080913-2030_Client_en-us_ULTIMATE-ULTIMATE_GB1CXFRE_EN_DVD.iso
3.35GB

Apparently, I'm not quite sure the 'ghost' feature is available in build 6801, all those new features should be in build 6933, which isn't released to anyone outside of Microsoft. Btw, 32-bit client uses 420mb of RAM after first boot in Virtual PC, same figure with the Milestone 1.
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but you won't get the new "superbar" taskbar in that build tongue.gif

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i just hope it doesn't come in 5 versions like vista.
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most probably Home, Professional and Ultimate

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but you won't get the new "superbar" taskbar in that build tongue.gif
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Yeah, that's true, but there's nothing we can do. Btw, Microsoft already released security updates for Windows 7 (I don't know if build 6933 is affected or not):

KB958644 for 32-bit
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...&displaylang=en

KB958644 for 64-bit
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...&displaylang=en


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most probably Home, Professional and Ultimate
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hmm, windows 7 still have 32-bit version? i thought this new windows only ship in 64-bit version
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QUOTE(cyew86 @ Nov 1 2008, 03:34 PM)
hmm, windows 7 still have 32-bit version? i thought this new windows only ship in 64-bit version
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It's still early dude, it does't even reach Beta status, just wait till end of this year (or early next year) if there's changes...
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Yeah..Last time Microsoft got said they will use 64bit in Windows 7..But we will see..
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I'm testing Windows 7 build 6801, and my gaming performance sucks in Dx10, avg. 14ps in crysis dx10 compare avg. 22fps in vista, same as warhead. Dx9 doesn't seem effected. Other than that, 7 is great, the stability and performance is impressive for it's pre-beta status. Tho my sound card driver give it a BSOD, have to use the built-in.
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I'm testing Windows 7 build 6801, and my gaming performance sucks in Dx10, avg. 14ps in crysis dx10 compare avg. 22fps in vista, same as warhead. Dx9 doesn't seem effected. Other than that, 7 is great, the stability and performance is impressive for it's pre-beta status. Tho my sound card driver give it a BSOD, have to use the built-in.
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8fps diff. is big in crysis, if F.E.A.R. i don't mind ler tongue.gif . I'm really looking forward to 7, Vista give me that damn nvlddmkm bsod.
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QUOTE(fariz @ Oct 31 2008, 10:25 PM)
but you won't get the new "superbar" taskbar in that build tongue.gif
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But now, it is possible to have superbar in build 6801, and I already have it.

Read this and you can have it too: http://www.withinwindows.com/
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Nov 3 2008, 04:29 PM)
But now, it is possible to have superbar in build 6801, and I already have it.

Read this and you can have it too: http://www.withinwindows.com/
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It worked! At least on Virtual PC, only if Virtual PC support 3d hardware acceleration... rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Nov 3 2008, 05:34 PM)
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I wonder if the Windows 7(RTM Version) is pre-installed IE 8?
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I saw someone release this .iso few days ago haven't download it yet
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Nov 3 2008, 04:29 PM)
But now, it is possible to have superbar in build 6801, and I already have it.

Read this and you can have it too: http://www.withinwindows.com/
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Not all the functions in 6933 are available with this method. The important parts are missing.

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QUOTE(fariz @ Nov 3 2008, 09:41 PM)
Not all the functions in 6933 are available with this method. The important parts are missing.
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That's right, I think they left those important parts for 6933 and later build.
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Nov 3 2008, 08:02 PM)
I wonder if the Windows 7(RTM Version) is pre-installed IE 8?
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Windows 7 Aero Peek Preview



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QUOTE(fariz @ Nov 3 2008, 09:41 PM)
Not all the functions in 6933 are available with this method. The important parts are missing.
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What important part that is? I found the only 6933 feature that isn't working is Aero Peek, SuperBar and Aero Shake is working although I don't know how to use Aero Shake (shake my monitor probably?)
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- No aero peek
- Has the old jump list arrow instead of rightclicking
- Old startbutton
- No jump lists in start menu
- No window titles in the thumbnails
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QUOTE(fariz @ Nov 4 2008, 12:09 PM)
- No aero peek
    - Has the old jump list arrow instead of rightclicking
    - Old startbutton
    - No jump lists in start menu
    - No window titles in the thumbnails
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Other are true, but old startbutton? I see the SuperBar-enabled 6801 has same startbutton like 6933, what's the different actually? I can't spot any...sweat.gif
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is the preview available for public test?
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Anybody know since with the advent that 32bit platforms can only use less then 4Gb of ram, will they overcome this limitation in windows 7?

I have a sneaking suspicion that windows 7 will be like windows XP while the current vista will be the pariah Windows ME coz i dont really like vista due to its sluggishness. Also it was rather buggy in the beginning and did i mention the fact that it is resource hungry?

Another bad thing would be that many programs out there are still not yet ready for vista such as in the niche market where software developers are still in the process of upgrading their software for the vista platform.

I hope those software which can run in vista will have not problem porting to windows 7 coz i have a few programs which still require windows xp and the software developer is due to deliver a vista compatible program by early 2009 but then windows 7 will come out at best at the end of 2009.

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QUOTE(crapp0 @ Nov 10 2008, 07:09 PM)
Anybody know since with the advent that 32bit platforms can only use less then 4Gb of ram, will they overcome this limitation in windows 7?

I have a sneaking suspicion that windows 7 will be like windows XP while the current vista will be the pariah Windows ME coz i dont really like vista due to its sluggishness. Also it was rather buggy in the beginning and did i mention the fact that it is resource hungry?

Another bad thing would be that many programs out there are still not yet ready for vista such as in the niche market where software developers are still in the process of upgrading their software for the vista platform.

I hope those software which can run in vista will have not problem porting to windows 7 coz i have a few programs which still require windows xp and the software developer is due to deliver a vista compatible program by early 2009 but then windows 7 will come out at best at the end of 2009.
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Microsoft will not overcome (and never will) the RAM limitation in 32-bit platform as it is impossible (without lots of dirty works), that's why they have 64-bit platforms.

I've been using Vista (with SP1) for about 6 months, I don't see any lagging problem unless you've already used up by opening 10 virtual machines simultaneously... sweat.gif

Those software developers have more than enough time to make their software at least compatible with Vista, and since Windows 7 is based on Vista core, maybe it's the right time to nag those developers to upgrade... If software are running in Vista, no doubt it will be running in Windows 7 too (as Microsoft said).

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QUOTE(crapp0 @ Nov 10 2008, 07:09 PM)
Anybody know since with the advent that 32bit platforms can only use less then 4Gb of ram, will they overcome this limitation in windows 7?

I have a sneaking suspicion that windows 7 will be like windows XP while the current vista will be the pariah Windows ME coz i dont really like vista due to its sluggishness. Also it was rather buggy in the beginning and did i mention the fact that it is resource hungry?

Another bad thing would be that many programs out there are still not yet ready for vista such as in the niche market where software developers are still in the process of upgrading their software for the vista platform.

I hope those software which can run in vista will have not problem porting to windows 7 coz i have a few programs which still require windows xp and the software developer is due to deliver a vista compatible program by early 2009 but then windows 7 will come out at best at the end of 2009.
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All 32bit OS is having 4GB RAM limitation, it is inherent and can't be fix (and not support to be fixed).

Not only 32bit XP and Vista is having 4GB RAM limitation, 32bit Linux and other open source OS is also having this limitation too.

Your only option is to go for 64bit OS if you plan to increase your system RAM beyond 4GB.

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I know that 32bit OS have the 4GB ram limit, what im asking is will Windows 7 still be coded in 32 bit or will it be 64bit?
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QUOTE(crapp0 @ Nov 12 2008, 04:31 PM)
I know that 32bit OS have the 4GB ram limit, what im asking is will Windows 7 still be coded in 32 bit or will it be 64bit?
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i think it is time to fully migrate to x64 system smile.gif 64-bit processors have been around for good few years already, and as programs get more demanding, more RAM has to be installed, and only x64 OS can utilize 4GB RAM and above
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I woner if windows 7 will be offered as an upgrade to current vista users since its more of an overhaul and performace driven vista rather then a new OS. Hopefully they will offer this to current vist users as a comprehensive upgrade for a nominal fee.
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anybody try the just released build 6801 of windows 7?
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QUOTE(crapp0 @ Nov 16 2008, 11:14 AM)
I woner if windows 7 will be offered as an upgrade to current vista users since its more of an overhaul and performace driven vista rather then a new OS. Hopefully they will offer this to current vist users as a comprehensive upgrade for a nominal fee.
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Vista ok wat! Though it's heavy on resource utilization, new hardwares can run it without hiccups. It is DX10 ready and it comes in 64 bit flavor smile.gif When 7 releases, Vista already has SP2 which improves more on its stability.
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I just hope W7 will only come in 64bit form, forcing all software developers to go 64bit thumbup.gif
Games are just getting bigger by the day, sooner or later 3GB of ram just ain't enough.

If anyone needs 32bit support, we can always dual boot, I will anyway to play old games sweat.gif


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tried 6801 .. not bad , stable*, faster.. havent really install games+office+softwares everything stress test use few days see how stable.. currently get used to mac osx d.. hope windows 7 can tarik me back lah.. i really hope M$ can do something better now i dun care they wan copy or not lah.
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QUOTE(Alpha700 @ Nov 17 2008, 12:08 AM)
I just hope W7 will only come in 64bit form, forcing all software developers to go 64bit  thumbup.gif
Games are just getting bigger by the day, sooner or later 3GB of ram just ain't enough.

If anyone needs 32bit support, we can always dual boot, I will anyway to play old games  sweat.gif
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If you do that, you will see HUGE incompatibilites problems as not all developers are (equipped) ready to make x64 version of their software. Currently, you only see x64 flavor of your software by big companies.
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I also looking forward to 64bit platform to fix the 4GB ram limitation.
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64-bit doesn't have 4gb RAM limitation la wey... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(crapp0 @ Nov 17 2008, 10:50 AM)
I also looking forward to 64bit platform to fix the 4GB ram limitation.
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that's why he says that..
he probably. most probably are using 32bit now. and stuck with the 4Gb limitation..
so he's looking forward to using the 64bit..

i hope im right.. kan crapp0?

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QUOTE(Alpha700 @ Nov 17 2008, 12:08 AM)
I just hope W7 will only come in 64bit form, forcing all software developers to go 64bit  thumbup.gif
Games are just getting bigger by the day, sooner or later 3GB of ram just ain't enough.

If anyone needs 32bit support, we can always dual boot, I will anyway to play old games  sweat.gif
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i read tuesday intech. Quite keen to know more.

any reading reference and how does it feel compare heavy vista?
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I have no problem with vista..I dont mind the addition of Windows 7 anyway..but not so soon la.
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QUOTE(-Torrz @ Nov 17 2008, 04:55 PM)
I have no problem with vista..I dont mind the addition of Windows 7 anyway..but not so soon la.
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You don't need to change to Windows7 if you didn't have to. Windows7 still uses Vista core, Vista drivers etc. It's just and upgrade to support latest technologies such as multitouch...
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QUOTE(-Torrz @ Nov 17 2008, 04:53 PM)
I heard you can get the beta through cd
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Where do you heard them? I would like to have one too. The only available options to get the current leaked build (6801 x86 and x64) are by torrent, irc or any other download method. The leaked build is only distributed to PDC 2008 attendees only...
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so the intech picture of win7 on the shelf is not true?

kennot get that copy?
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lolx....i wonder where did they snap that....i went and visit the MS website also no news about it....only an update to the Vista
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exactly. where they got it? like already in store. tot 2 get 1 for xmas
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QUOTE(work4game @ Nov 17 2008, 06:25 PM)
so the intech picture of win7 on the shelf is not true?

kennot get that copy?
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What pic? Can share one? But sure fake. The build distributed to PDC 2008 attendees are only a DVD and a soft cover, like the picture below, so no casing whatsoever:
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LOL....i think Microsoft is trying to sell its Vista as Windows 7 maybe....but it seems so real on the picture....how come there is no info about this on the main site of Microsoft.?
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u reger back last week intech. the picture, boxes of windows7 in shelf
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lolx....Microsoft is doing Magic work to ppl's eyes keke....but honestly i dont think anyone wanna try it so soon since the Vista was quite a failure to begin with.....
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Nov 17 2008, 06:17 PM)
Where do you heard them? I would like to have one too. The only available options to get the current leaked build (6801 x86 and x64) are by torrent, irc or any other download method. The leaked build is only distributed to PDC 2008 attendees only...
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You answered your own question. PDC2008. Not beta la but leaked build...Still dont install it, not stable
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exactly. but micro soft say windows7 is faster and lot better than vista. it will going to replace vista. sumthing towards xp smooth. so i wan to try
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QUOTE(work4game @ Nov 17 2008, 07:03 PM)
u reger back last week intech. the picture, boxes of windows7 in shelf
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are you sure it's on Microsoft's own store shelf and not some other retailer shelf?


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QUOTE(kevinlkw88 @ Nov 17 2008, 07:02 PM)
LOL....i think Microsoft is trying to sell its Vista as Windows 7 maybe....but it seems so real on the picture....how come there is no info about this on the main site of Microsoft.?
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hoax can be fabricated, it's not that hard if you got the right tools. And no, Microsoft won't sell Vista as Windows7. There's nothing about Windows7 at microsoft site, but there's an update for Windows7...

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tat i kennot tell cos no info was out from the intech. so u mean retailer cheat?
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QUOTE(-Torrz @ Nov 17 2008, 07:15 PM)
You answered your own question. PDC2008. Not beta la but leaked build...Still dont install it, not stable
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Go get spare hard disk (or install on virtual machine) and install lor before making comment it's not stable. I have used it on spare hard disk, just to let you know, it's faster than Vista and no stability issues encountered so far. Teh bootscreen is niiiice...
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so u try it. where can i get a copy? genuine pls.
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tat i kennot tell cos no info was out from the intech. so u mean retailer cheat?
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The retailer may not cheat, but you can just take out Vista cover paper from the casing, and print a "Windows7" one and put it back there... It's not even beta why should it get released to retailer?
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The retailer may not cheat, but you can just take out Vista cover paper from the casing, and print a "Windows7" one and put it back there... It's not even beta why should it get released to retailer?
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oh i see. but u earlier said u test it. where u get the copy?
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QUOTE(work4game @ Nov 17 2008, 07:22 PM)
so u try it. where can i get a copy? genuine pls.
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There's no genuine version of a alpha/pre-beta/beta OS lol. You can download one from <INSERT_YOUR_FAVORITE_JACK_SPARROW_FORUM_NAME_HERE> and install without a product key. You will be able to test Windows7 for 30 days...


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oh i see. but u earlier said u test it. where u get the copy?
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See my previous reply dude...

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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Nov 17 2008, 07:20 PM)
Go get spare hard disk (or install on virtual machine) and install lor before making comment it's not stable. I have used it on spare hard disk, just to let you know, it's faster than Vista and no stability issues encountered so far. Teh bootscreen is niiiice...
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rclxms.gif thank you for sharing with me...I have it but I dont have it installed. I has no spare HDD so i dont wanna take the risk;)
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QUOTE(-Torrz @ Nov 17 2008, 07:30 PM)
rclxms.gif  thank you for sharing with me...I have it but I dont have it installed. I has no spare HDD so i dont wanna take the risk;)
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Then either use Microsoft Virtual PC, VMWare Workstation, VirtualBox, or Parallels Workstation to install it on "virtual machine". No risk mah... only 10gb of free spaces to use and extra RAM (512mb or 1gb preferred, shared from your system RAM) and times lor...

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haha , i wonder who able to share to us ?
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u may go try....GO GO GO! lolx try de tell us thz alot wakaka biggrin.gif
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haha , i wonder who able to share to us ?
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No one? There's plenty out there, use your nice Uncle Google...
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Nov 17 2008, 07:33 PM)
Then either use Microsoft Virtual PC, VMWare Workstation, VirtualBox, or Parallels Workstation to install it on "virtual machine". No risk mah... only 10gb of free spaces to use and extra RAM (512mb or 1gb preferred, shared from your system RAM) and times lor...
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But I'm not really into Windows 7 let alone the leaked build...I just bought this comp a few months back and now a new OS is soon to be released...I'm definitely not changing or trying it out... The cd isn't mine. its not with me as my other friends took it to test..like I said I am not REALLY interested.


Added on November 17, 2008, 7:38 pmBut do let us know how good it is as you already have it installed.

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But I'm not really into Windows 7 let alone the leaked build...I just bought this comp a few months back and now a new OS is soon to be released...I'm definitely not changing or trying it out... The cd isn't mine. its not with me as my other friends took it to test..like I said I am not REALLY interested.


Added on November 17, 2008, 7:38 pmBut do let us know how good it is as you already have it installed.
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Interface looks just like Vista. Only a bit more neat?

Not for now...I'll probably get it around the year 2010...Mid year

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Interface looks just like Vista. Only a bit more neat?
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So I see...Seems like nothing new to me compared to Vista besides the.... ???
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So I see...Seems like nothing new to me compared to Vista besides the.... ???
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That build is for developers. New features are locked, at the time of the screenies was taken, I only managed to get ahold of the patch that enabled new SuperBar taskbar. There's a newer patch that allows you to unlock Desktop Slideshow and enabling options for gesture and panning for multitouch. Also there's an Aero Shake and Aero Peek function (but I can't get Aero Peek to work in 6801)... I didn't explore it 100% yet, as I don't have time swapping hard disk.

One new feature of the start menu is apps such as Windows Media Player has new quick access to recently opened media files without the need to open WMP itself. This is IMO is quite handy feature. Plus Windows7 access your hard disk fewer (in idle) compared to Vista thus prolonging your hard disk lifespan... Remember that this is a pre-beta and subject to have those features changed in teh future...

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Holy ****! Aero Shake? Explain?

And I think I know how the Desktop Slideshow works..Its like an animated wallpaper right?

Superbar is in your screenshots if I am not wrong.
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Holy ****! Aero Shake? Explain?

And I think I know how the Desktop Slideshow works..Its like an animated wallpaper right?

Superbar is in your screenshots if I am not wrong.
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Yes, Desktop Slideshow is for sliding desktop wallpaper, and SuperBar is shown in the screen. Aero Shake is, for example, you opened a number of applications at once and would like (for example) application A to be one and only remain visible and other applications minimized, you just click and drag the titlebar to left and right to do that,repeating it will bring other windows up, no need to minimize individual applications window...

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Thats a good feature I guess. Saves time.. but this simple minor thing they added in..I hope they've made it lower requirements to run it..but funny, vista looks a lot like it so i dunno if the requirements will reach sky rocket or go low for W7 mellow.gif
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lolx...i think it wont be too high but its definitely not lower.....seems nice but in term of stability i think it still needs time....well we shall wait
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Thats a good feature I guess. Saves time.. but this simple minor thing they added in..I hope they've made it lower requirements to run it..but funny, vista looks a lot like it so i dunno if the requirements will reach sky rocket or go low for W7  mellow.gif
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me gosh u are a life saver for us all...keke...but i am quite sure its gonna be a worth while waiting after a suky Vista experience....most of all pls try the compatibility of the windows with the games..tongue.gif keke its the most important for me at least...biggrin.gif
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I seriously don't mind a longer beta period.. Most importantly, hope they learn from Vista's mistakes..
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as suggested by farcry, use PC2007 to test it.

windows7 is meant for simplicity and smooth then vista. i will try it once available in market. hopefully this coming xmas but maybe not so fas
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If you do that, you will see HUGE incompatibilites problems as not all developers are (equipped) ready to make x64 version of their software. Currently, you only see x64 flavor of your software by big companies.
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The move from 16bit to 32bit was so long ago and Vista 64bit is out for some time now.
Win7 will still take some time before it'll be released, I hope that they'll be ready by then.
Multi-processors are the way Intel/AMD wants, if they can't cope with 64bit computing,
how are they ever going to produce anything to make use of all the extra processors? icon_rolleyes.gif


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By that time running Window7 with Intel Core i7 and tri-channel 2Gb X 3 DDR3 1667Mhz on the 256Gb SSD , woh. . .
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I'll settle for the 2-ch cheaper one sweat.gif laugh.gif

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QUOTE(kevinlkw88 @ Nov 17 2008, 09:03 PM)
me gosh u are a life saver for us all...keke...but i am quite sure its gonna be a worth while waiting after a suky Vista experience....most of all pls try the compatibility of the windows with the games..tongue.gif keke its the most important for me at least...biggrin.gif
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you can't do that right now as the OS is in Pre-Beta which means the code isn't finished yet, and there's gonna be performance issues, looks at stupid moron at InfoWorld. Who the f*** in the sane world that benchmark a beta code? doh.gif


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I seriously don't mind a longer beta period.. Most importantly, hope they learn from Vista's mistakes..
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as suggested by farcry, use PC2007 to test it.

windows7 is meant for simplicity and smooth then vista. i will try it once available in market. hopefully this coming xmas but maybe not so fas
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The move from 16bit to 32bit was so long ago and Vista 64bit is out for some time now.
Win7 will still take some time before it'll be released, I hope that they'll be ready by then.
Multi-processors are the way Intel/AMD wants, if they can't cope with 64bit computing,
how are they ever going to produce anything to make use of all the extra processors?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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You see, not all developers have the time and $$$ needed to jump to x64 bandwagon. You won't see x64 version of Notepad because there's no performance gained utilizing x64 processing power when opening a 3kb text file. The probably of seeing x64 version of applications/games are limited to:

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2 - Graphics apps
3 - Productivity apps
4 - Commercial big budget games
5 - Anything that can utilize extra processing powers

Other than that, it's not worth it. That's my 2 cent though...

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farcry,

your copy is build 6801. does it need to be activate within 30days like vista? if it lapsed, u no longer can use right?
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farcry,

your copy is build 6801. does it need to be activate within 30days like vista? if it lapsed, u no longer can use right?
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so do u notice improvement for the lagging/slow startup from vista to windows 7??how would u rate it??
if good then maybe i will consider it, my computer just run on a 2GB ram n still lagg/slow startup from using vista which I hate the most........ shakehead.gif shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(GrandElf @ Nov 21 2008, 10:04 AM)
so do u notice improvement for the lagging/slow startup from vista to windows 7??how would u rate it??
if good then maybe i will consider it, my computer just run on a 2GB ram n still lagg/slow startup from using vista which I hate the most........ shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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The startup of Windows7 is considerably faster from Vista. There's an article (I forgot where) says that Windows7 Indexing is delayed like 10 minutes after logging in to make it faster. But... 2GB RAM in Vista should be fast in startup. Are you sure you didn't load any 3rd party crapwares? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(GrandElf @ Nov 21 2008, 10:04 AM)
so do u notice improvement for the lagging/slow startup from vista to windows 7??how would u rate it??
if good then maybe i will consider it, my computer just run on a 2GB ram n still lagg/slow startup from using vista which I hate the most........ shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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2GB is good in VISTA. U got SP1 installed? My PC boots up faster in VISTA than XP (dual boot)...even with many apps installed in VISTA. thumbup.gif

Make sure you don't have multiple anti-virus or firewall installed. Some firewalls are especially notorious in locking the network connections and freezes everything to turtle pace on startup...(like SunBelt)..VISTA firewall is good enough if you already on a router.
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Anyone already using W-7 here? If yes please post you exprn here. let kopitiam about W-7 here okeh icon_rolleyes.gif Microsoft claim it only take 10 minutes to install brows.gif so fast then vista meh? laugh.gif it take 17 minutes to install on my comp ( 3GB ram / Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2140@1.60GHz ) it pretty fast than Vista thumbup.gif

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OMFG, the Malay translation sucks ball big time... I can barely understand it... sweat.gif
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icic.....yea i did installed SP1.......the problem is actually the lagging effect in vista tat most irritated me.....lets say i am trying to close all my downloading at bitcomet......if i select all at the same time n press stop, the whole system will hang at there n freeze for about 5-10sec showing the bitcomet not responding.....but when i stop them 1 by 1 there will be not a problem.....n also when i wanna load my warcraft it also takes about 5sec to load into it.....so damm sienz....i did run on 1 antivirus (avast free) n no using any extra firewall..... sweat.gif sweat.gif

so if tis version of windows did solve tis problem then most probably i will consider using it...... nod.gif nod.gif
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Nov 21 2008, 11:18 AM)
The startup of Windows7 is considerably faster from Vista. There's an article (I forgot where) says that Windows7 Indexing is delayed like 10 minutes after logging in to make it faster. But... 2GB RAM in Vista should be fast in startup. Are you sure you didn't load any 3rd party crapwares? hmm.gif
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W-7 not delay like you said. It just faster load and ready to use! damn it really fast than vista and xp. It oso got improvd for gaming! aaaaa im in love with W-7 now! tongue.gif

QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Nov 21 2008, 01:20 PM)
OMFG, the Malay translation sucks ball big time... I can barely understand it... sweat.gif
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yeah like Windows XP In Bahasa Malaysia language.. XD

QUOTE(Ryou @ Nov 21 2008, 01:26 PM)
By the way,I'm wondering what's the basic hardware requirement for using Windows 7.
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Guess same req for vista. It just faster+better than vista biggrin.gif. Windows 7 work fine with my comp. no need to install any driver biggrin.gif

QUOTE(GrandElf @ Nov 21 2008, 02:29 PM)
icic.....yea i did installed SP1.......the problem is actually the lagging effect in vista tat most irritated me.....lets say i am trying to close all my downloading at bitcomet......if i select all at the same time n press stop, the whole system will hang at there n freeze for about 5-10sec showing the bitcomet not responding.....but when i stop them 1 by 1 there will be not a problem.....n also when i wanna load my warcraft it also takes about 5sec to load into it.....so damm sienz....i did run on 1 antivirus (avast free) n no using any extra firewall..... sweat.gif  sweat.gif

so if tis version of windows did solve tis problem then most probably i will consider using it...... nod.gif  nod.gif
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Change to Windows-7 rclxm9.gif

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Change to Windows-7  rclxm9.gif
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Don't simply ask people to change to Windows 7 doh.gif Do you know the OS is still in pre-beta? Most of the bits and codes are not finished and not optimized, which for a sane human being, shouldn't be use for normal everyday use. What's more, the pre-beta is time-bombed and will expire around March 2009 or so.

Don't drag others with your over excitement being able to use Windows 7 before everyone else. icon_rolleyes.gif
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if u change to windows 7, izit posible to emulate back to windows vista? i want to try it.
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QUOTE(123joe @ Nov 22 2008, 06:44 AM)
if u change to windows 7, izit posible to emulate back to windows vista? i want to try it.
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Emulate back? It's better to install on separate hard disk and/or on virtual machine, but you can always dual boot if you want and I'm not responsible for any risk.
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I have the original Vista Installer which I bought myself.
So can I reinstall the Vista after using the Windows 7 if I want to?
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Woot, so fast you all got the window 7 installer? Full version or just beta test?
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still in beta test lo. laugh.gif Full version not yet released.
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its still pre-beta. please google for it. duh!
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QUOTE(Ryou @ Nov 22 2008, 10:41 AM)
Actually I'm kinda curious on using Windows 7.
I have the original Vista Installer which I bought myself.
So can I reinstall the Vista after using the Windows 7 if I want to?
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Woot, so fast you all got the window 7 installer? Full version or just beta test?
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It's still in pre-beta. A public beta is scheduled for this December (or next year's January)...

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Don't simply ask people to change to Windows 7 doh.gif Do you know the OS is still in pre-beta? Most of the bits and codes are not finished and not optimized, which for a sane human being, shouldn't be use for normal everyday use. What's more, the pre-beta is time-bombed and will expire around March 2009 or so.

Don't drag others with your over excitement being able to use Windows 7 before everyone else. icon_rolleyes.gif
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i should say this in my early post

"Use BETA if you willing to take the risk, and dont blame it because it still BETA"

Most important dont use W-7 BETA as your MAIN OS for WORK!. IT STILL BETA!UNSTABLE!whateva BETA stand for it.

Im tired of stable Vista SP1 yawn.gif

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sorry  blush.gif 
i should say this in my early post

"Use BETA if you willing to take the risk, and dont blame it because it still BETA"

Most important dont use W-7 BETA as your MAIN OS for WORK!. IT STILL BETA!UNSTABLE!whateva BETA stand for it.

Im tired of stable Vista SP1  yawn.gif
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I totally love the bottom bar thing. Looks better.
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this is still PRE-BETA means u still cant full use of it and expect ALOT of hangs/crashes with your softwares

so don't switch it completely... only use it to test and choose to switch to windows 7 after release or not
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QUOTE(greatgreedyguts @ Nov 23 2008, 11:24 PM)
this is still PRE-BETA means u still cant full use of it and expect ALOT of hangs/crashes with your softwares

so don't switch it completely... only use it to test and choose to switch to windows 7 after release or not
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Windows 7 allows DirectX 10 acceleration on the CPU
Friday 28th November 2008

Seen on Windows 7 Won't Require Graphics Hardware for Effects
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


To put a few things short, now a lot of us can at least heave some sighs of relief... Let's be very clear about what it means here; the desktop effects are the definite thing to be impacted the most, not overall DirectX reqs for the rest of heavy lifting tasks such as high res gaming, HD content viewing or editing etc. Which is a good thing judging from the previous Aero headaches at post launch and pre SP1 performance fixes. Promising it is, even if it's just on paper.

At least some prayers are being listened to...

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QUOTE(eq8all @ Dec 2 2008, 02:24 AM)
Windows 7 allows DirectX 10 acceleration on the CPU
Friday 28th November 2008

Seen on Windows 7 Won't Require Graphics Hardware for Effects
By Kevin Purdy, 6:00 AM on Mon Dec 1 2008

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To put a few things short, now a lot of us can at least heave some sighs of relief... Let's be very clear about what it means here; the desktop effects are the definite thing to be impacted the most, not overall DirectX reqs for the rest of heavy lifting tasks such as high res gaming, HD content viewing or editing etc. Which is a good thing judging from the previous Aero headaches at post launch and pre SP1 performance fixes. Promising it is, even if it's just on paper.

At least some prayers are being listened to...
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den quad core users will get full peformance on their com loh.... at least they can make full use of it
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The performance is still very slow compare to discrete display card. Not for serious gamer. wink.gif
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QUOTE(dylanchan1688 @ Dec 2 2008, 04:05 PM)
den quad core users will get full peformance on their com loh.... at least they can make full use of it
Generally on the efficiencies' side, ya that's the point bro. Which is to further make hardware resources more useful on everything else on top of the OS instead of the other way round.

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Even though its slow, its better than nothing at all tongue.gif
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Not sure if this is a repost or not smile.gif

Windows 7: Play Crysis Without a GPU
Source : http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-cpu-gpu,6645.html

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wow!!! den my 9600gt is a waste lor... intel gma can play oledi man....
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Based on the performance results, new games are hardly playable...don't dump your graphic cards just yet.
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Either way, u still need a gc to boot the pc. Just an overhype gimmick to me.
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Either way, u still need a gc to boot the pc.
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QUOTE(zubai @ Dec 4 2008, 02:27 PM)
Either way, u still need a gc to boot the pc. Just an overhype gimmick to me.
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QUOTE(zubai @ Dec 4 2008, 02:27 PM)
Either way, u still need a gc to boot the pc. Just an overhype gimmick to me.
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Is vista driver compatible for windows 7??
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Is vista driver compatible for windows 7??
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 4 2008, 04:53 PM)
Nope, it's not an overhyped gimmick but like what "FarCry3r" said, it's gonna be taxing to your CPU "kao-kao". shocking.gif
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I say it's gimmick. Does anyone wants to gayuh a sampan to America? Sure you'll still reach there one day...when you're 80 years old or something..(we made assumption your sampan has not being sunk in the Ocean b4 that).

Who wants to play games in Slideshow mode? It serves no purpose to gamers, and no purpose to non-gamers.

Graphics cards are here to stay.

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Yes it is. What works in Windows Vista will work in Windows 7. Maybe even better in Windows 7 than in Windows Vista. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 18 2008, 08:48 PM)
I say it's gimmick. Does anyone wants to gayuh a sampan to America? Sure you'll still reach there one day...when you're 80 years old or something..(we made assumption your sampan has not being sunk in the Ocean b4 that).

Who wants to play games in Slideshow mode? It serves no purpose to gamers, and no purpose to non-gamers.

Graphics cards are here to stay.
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doh.gif D'oh dude. doh.gif Of course graphic cards will stay. Just think about those people that bought preconfigured PC with Intel graphic chipset built-in to their PC. They will still be able to play latest games, even though not at highest (or even high) settings doh.gif It's like giving a man without legs a remote control wheelchair, which will give him ability to move faster, although it isn't faster than running. Just think about it and don't be narrow minded, think wide... rolleyes.gif

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it's juz a demo for Larrabee imo...

dun forget, it's x86 based...

so meaning that if Crysis can be run (READ: NOT PLAY) in pure software mode, it'll ve no problem running on Larrabee...

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hi all, my win7 does not like my media player that i installed
which are: k-lite mega codec pack 4.4.2, and real player 10 BBC version
both player will caused win7 freeze once i click on any media file (avi, rmvb)
later i uninstalled klm 4.4.2 and installed klm 3.9.0, problem still exist
any sifu can guide me?
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QUOTE(tiffneedle @ Dec 22 2008, 08:11 AM)
hi all, my win7 does not like my media player that i installed
which are: k-lite mega codec pack 4.4.2, and real player 10 BBC version
both player will caused win7 freeze once i click on any media file (avi, rmvb)
later i uninstalled klm 4.4.2 and installed klm 3.9.0, problem still exist
any sifu can guide me?
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Which build are you using? I'm on 6801 and K-Lite Mega Codec Pack work (partially) for me. Opening FLV & 3GP/3G2 files would cause MPC to crash. And out of 25 times, only once, the VobSubFilter actually loaded to the background and automatically load subtitle file for me, the rest of the time, I have to manually load subtitle in MPC.
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What im really interested in would be how windows 7 will be sold. Will it be a totally new platform or sort of an upgrade from vista?

Coz most ppl are using vista right now and from what i've seen, windows 7 is more like an make over of vista rather then a totally new OS. Hopefully current vista users will only need to pay a nominal upgrade fee for windows 7 for current vista users.

I bet ALOT of ppl would be very pissed of if windows 7 would be marketed as a totally new os with a brand new OS price tag.
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 22 2008, 08:28 AM)
Which build are you using? I'm on 6801 and K-Lite Mega Codec Pack work (partially) for me. Opening FLV & 3GP/3G2 files would cause MPC to crash. And out of 25 times, only once, the VobSubFilter actually loaded to the background and automatically load subtitle file for me, the rest of the time, I have to manually load subtitle in MPC.
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hi, it is build6956 32Bit
i guess have to look for another codec pack?
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Hi All,

Have any1 tried the Windows 7 on a VPC 2007?
I'm having difficulty locating the sound driver for it.
Is it possible to export the sound driver .inf from my Vista VPC and install it to the Win7?

Any ideas?
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QUOTE(tiffneedle @ Dec 22 2008, 01:36 PM)
hi, it is build6956 32Bit
i guess have to look for another codec pack?
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Maybe, I haven't installed 6956 YET. When back, I'm going to try other codec pack and see the result. Btw, can you run Nero on your 6956?


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QUOTE(FaTJ3sT3R aka Th!NjOK3R @ Dec 22 2008, 01:40 PM)
Hi All,

Have any1 tried the Windows 7 on a VPC 2007?
I'm having difficulty locating the sound driver for it.
Is it possible to export the sound driver .inf from my Vista VPC and install it to the Win7?

Any ideas?
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Have you installed Virtual Machine Additions? It should contain working drivers for display, sound and network. hmm.gif and no, you can't use Vista sound driver as Virtual PC (and other virtualization app) uses it's own selection of hardwares to emulate, and usually waaay older than current one on the host PC.

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Will give it a go...totally forgot bout that.
Will report back in a bit...
thanks!!!
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QUOTE(tiffneedle @ Dec 22 2008, 01:36 PM)
hi, it is build6956 32Bit
i guess have to look for another codec pack?
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I'm also using Windows 7 Build 6956 but I don't use K-Lite. I'm using VLC Media Player, without any problems. You may try VLC if you like. icon_rolleyes.gif
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the only thing i can hope is better memory management and fewer dll hells...
i dun mind about the GUI so long they can settle those parts 1st~
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QUOTE(Tm89 @ Dec 22 2008, 06:19 PM)
the only thing i can hope is better memory management and fewer dll hells...
i dun mind about the GUI so long they can settle those parts 1st~
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Wasn't Vista already reduced the DLL hells by incorporating vast amounts of SxS? Judging from your words, it seems you never tried Vista as Vista have both better memory management and fewer DLL hells...
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 22 2008, 06:11 PM)
I'm also using Windows 7 Build 6956 but I don't use K-Lite. I'm using VLC Media Player, without any problems. You may try VLC if you like. icon_rolleyes.gif
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but vlc not able to play some avi file...

does this related with the hardware and drive that i use?

hardware:
p4 2.8E, intel 865GBF, NV TI4200(driver: version 66.93)

installed kmplayer (korean's codec pack) problem still exist
if play real player 11 only then it working fine

dont knwo about nero as lost the cd already...still looking for it...

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QUOTE(tiffneedle @ Dec 22 2008, 10:18 PM)
but vlc not able to play some avi file...

does this related with the hardware and drive that i use?

hardware:
p4 2.8E, intel 865GBF, NV TI4200(driver: version 66.93)

installed kmplayer (korean's codec pack) problem still exist
if play real player 11 only then it working fine

dont knwo about nero as lost the cd already...still looking for it...
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Yes, it's true that VLC can't play certain file types. I doubt that there's relation to your hardware specs besides complying with software requirements. Btw, make sure that your graphics card drivers are updated (Download Vista's version and install into Windows 7).
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 23 2008, 02:02 AM)
Yes, it's true that VLC can't play certain file types. I doubt that there's relation to your hardware specs besides complying with software requirements. Btw, make sure that your graphics card drivers are updated (Download Vista's version and install into Windows 7).
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there is no Vista driver for Ti4200...
i just remembered that when i install Windows 7, the system prompt me something related with graphic, and 'DX9' (direct x 9) wording was there. based on my understanding Ti4200 actually good in dx8, and worse than fx5200 in dx9. does this be one of the reason?

any major windows 7's forum allow me refer further?

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QUOTE(tiffneedle @ Dec 23 2008, 08:10 AM)
there is no Vista driver for Ti4200...
i just remembered that when i install Windows 7, the system prompt me something related with graphic, and 'DX9' (direct x 9) wording was there. based on my understanding Ti4200 actually good in dx8, and worse than fx5200 in dx9. does this be one of the reason?

any major windows 7's forum allow me refer further?
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Maybe the graphics driver is causing the problem, since it's not officially supported. Btw, there's no major Windows7 forum as it's didn't go to public beta yet, but you could try Microsoft newsgroup or MSDN channel.
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QUOTE(tiffneedle @ Dec 23 2008, 08:10 AM)
there is no Vista driver for Ti4200...
i just remembered that when i install Windows 7, the system prompt me something related with graphic, and 'DX9' (direct x 9) wording was there. based on my understanding Ti4200 actually good in dx8, and worse than fx5200 in dx9. does this be one of the reason?

any major windows 7's forum allow me refer further?
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Since, there's no graphics card driver for your Ti4200 for Windows Vista, try to re-install the latest version of graphics card driver for your Ti4200 for XP. Btw, your Ti4200 is 32 or 64MB? Btw, I think that it's time to upgrade to a new computer cause it's still using AGP graphics card and upgrades/replacements are much harder to come by. (No offense icon_rolleyes.gif).
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 23 2008, 04:30 PM)
Since, there's no graphics card driver for your Ti4200 for Windows Vista, try to re-install the latest version of graphics card driver for your Ti4200 for XP. Btw, your Ti4200 is 32 or 64MB? Btw, I think that it's time to upgrade to a new computer cause it's still using AGP graphics card and upgrades/replacements are much harder to come by. (No offense icon_rolleyes.gif).
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The processor is decent, not too old, but the graphic... maybe you could get ATI X1300 as an upgrade... brows.gif
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 23 2008, 04:52 PM)
The processor is decent, not too old, but the graphic... maybe you could get ATI X1300 as an upgrade... brows.gif
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Urm, the ATI X1300 isn't very good when compared to the used-to-be, King-of-The-Hill, ATI 9800XT! flex.gif brows.gif Can still fight with some of todays low-end graphics card when OCed until kaw-kaw. drool.gif That was my first ever dedicated high-end graphics card when I first used my real computer and did OCing 4-years ago. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 23 2008, 05:02 PM)
Urm, the ATI X1300 isn't very good when compared to the used-to-be, King-of-The-Hill, ATI 9800XT! flex.gif brows.gif Can still fight with some of todays low-end graphics card when OCed until kaw-kaw. drool.gif That was my first ever dedicated high-end graphics card when I first used my real computer and did OCing 4-years ago. tongue.gif
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Really? Didn't know since I never used X series and last 9XXX series I ever used is 9550.
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 23 2008, 05:07 PM)
Really? Didn't know since I never used X series and last 9XXX series I ever used is 9550.
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 23 2008, 08:24 PM)
Oh, I see. Is the ATi Radeon 9550 a mid-end card? If not mistaken, I'd one of those as a spare card donated by my uncle. blush.gif I think we better go back to topic since this is Windows 7 related thread. So anyone here tried the latest build which is Build 7006 (If not mistaken)?
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There's plenty of new builds on the internuts. 7004, 7009 and 7015, but until now, there's no one actually have that build on hand. On the other hand, check your PM bro.
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Windows 7 was tested here in Malaysia by Microsoft MVPs (non-MS employees)...there's a couple of them here in Malaysia. The got the bits all the way from Redmond.

There's a program running in MS which will allow IT Pro's to test Windows 7 and Windows 7 Server Beta, the DVD/CD will be send also straight from Redmond.

However, that will only be out by the end of 1Q 2009.
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QUOTE(trifecta @ Dec 23 2008, 09:05 PM)
Windows 7 was tested here in Malaysia by Microsoft MVPs (non-MS employees)...there's a couple of them here in Malaysia. The got the bits all the way from Redmond.

There's a program running in MS which will allow IT Pro's to test Windows 7 and Windows 7 Server Beta, the DVD/CD will be send also straight from Redmond.

However, that will only be out by the end of 1Q 2009.
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Lol. That's late while the public beta1 is around 15th of January next year. And FYI, Windows7 also were tested by non MVPs and non-MS employees here in Malaysia. We all got the bits all the way from the Internuts, and we even get the supposedly demo-only build 6956... rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(trifecta @ Dec 23 2008, 09:05 PM)
Windows 7 was tested here in Malaysia by Microsoft MVPs (non-MS employees)...there's a couple of them here in Malaysia. The got the bits all the way from Redmond.

There's a program running in MS which will allow IT Pro's to test Windows 7 and Windows 7 Server Beta, the DVD/CD will be send also straight from Redmond.

However, that will only be out by the end of 1Q 2009.
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Not only by Microsoft MVPs. Some of "us" (rolleyes.gif) here in Malaysia also managed to acquire Windows 7 Build 6801 and 6956 and "tested" it also. Btw, what's "MVP" stand for? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 23 2008, 09:29 PM)
Not only by Microsoft MVPs. Some of "us" (rolleyes.gif) here in Malaysia also managed to acquire Windows 7 Build 6801 and 6956 and "tested" it also. Btw, what's "MVP" stand for? sweat.gif
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MVP=Microsoft Valuable Professionals, and you forgot to add that there's leaked build 6519 too rolleyes.gif
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The one you non-MVP tested its either 'stolen' or 'leaked' bits.
The warranted testing was given to the MVP's worldwide,


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QUOTE(trifecta @ Dec 23 2008, 09:48 PM)
The one you non-MVP tested its either 'stolen' or 'leaked' bits.
The warranted testing was given to the MVP's worldwide,
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It's still the same thing, nothings changed in the bits...
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 23 2008, 10:07 PM)
It's still the same thing, nothings changed in the bits...
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Yeah, like I said, its 'stolen', not the one warranted to be tested.
A legal program for Beta tester of Windows 7 and other early adopters - IT Pro Momentum.
www.itpromomentum.com. A MS run program for selected Beta testers and receive direct attention from the various technology product team.

Other than that, leak stuff, otherwise, illegal.

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QUOTE(trifecta @ Dec 23 2008, 10:29 PM)
Yeah, like I said, its 'stolen', not the one warranted to be tested.
A legal program for Beta tester of Windows 7 and other early adopters - IT Pro Momentum.
www.itpromomentum.com. A MS run program for selected Beta testers and receive direct attention from the various technology product team.

Other than that, leak stuff, otherwise, illegal.
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Ok, fine. The build 5619, 6801, 6936, 6956 are illegal. But in the next couple of week, the open, public beta is still available for the whole world to download and test, and it's still faster than that beta test of yours.
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MVP=Microsoft Valuable Professionals, and you forgot to add that there's leaked build 6519 too rolleyes.gif
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Oops, didn't know about Build 6519. Actually, legally, the builds that we "ripped" off teh vast internuts are actually leaked, therefore illegal. shocking.gif
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did anybody figure out a major problem in the Build 6959?
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You guys install Windows 7 on Virtual Machine or Real Computer?
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 24 2008, 02:38 AM)
Oops, didn't know about Build 6519. Actually, legally, the builds that we "ripped" off teh vast internuts are actually leaked, therefore illegal. shocking.gif
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And there's the rare leaked build 6936 X64, which didn't make it to the vast internuts. only few hands got it, I'm gonna get it in few days anyway.


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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Dec 24 2008, 04:12 AM)
You guys install Windows 7 on Virtual Machine or Real Computer?
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Build 6519 on VM
Build 6801 on real machine
Build 6956 on VM

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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 24 2008, 01:09 AM)
Ok, fine. The build 5619, 6801, 6936, 6956 are illegal. But in the next couple of week, the open, public beta is still available for the whole world to download and test, and it's still faster than that beta test of yours.
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Hence, read above what I typed...'when the Beta bits are announced', that will be the legal one for public beta testers.
So, it's no 'surprise' or 'new news', that is the intended timeline for the Beta bits to come out.

Are you also testing Windows 7 Server as well?
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QUOTE(trifecta @ Dec 24 2008, 10:02 AM)
Hence, read above what I typed...'when the Beta bits are announced', that will be the legal one for public beta testers.
So, it's no 'surprise' or 'new news', that is the intended timeline for the Beta bits to come out.

Are you also testing Windows 7 Server as well?
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Bah... nevermind for the tiny detail. Btw, I didn't have a spare PC to test Windows Server 2008 R2. The only Windows Server 2008 R2 leaked is build 6801.
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Its not 'tiny' detail, only 'n00bs' and outsiders will feel 'special' that they have access to 'stolen' or 'leaked' bits.

Like I said, want to try the releases and become a beta tester, join the program, so the specific product team (Win2K8 or Windows 7 etc) will take take notice of your comments and improve the product before the general release.


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QUOTE(trifecta @ Dec 24 2008, 12:34 PM)
Its not 'tiny' detail, only 'n00bs' and outsiders will feel 'special' that they have access to 'stolen' or 'leaked' bits.
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Of course they feel 'special' because some of those builds aren't even available to MVP or the IT Pro Memontum members, such as 6936 X64, and 6956 X86. And to me, as a beta collectors, every leaked and/or stolen builds are importants as each builds have different sets of new features. Maybe you didn't feel the same way as you're not a beta collectors.

QUOTE(trifecta @ Dec 24 2008, 12:34 PM)
Like I said, want to try the releases and become a beta tester, join the program, so the specific product team (Win2K8 or Windows 7 etc) will take take notice of your comments and improve the product before the general release.
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There's no programs to join before the public beta, and if it's available, such as the PDC 2008, it'll cost bombs just to see the new OS. And FYI, Microsoft don't give a damn about the leaked pre-beta bits, since they know it'll still expires in a time and it's contain lots of unfinished and buggy/not stable codes. Want proof? Try WinBeta. They've released those betas of Microsoft starting from Longhorn and Microsoft never takes any actions to them not because they didn't want to, but because they simply think it's not worth it. rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 24 2008, 12:41 PM)
Of course they feel 'special' because some of those builds aren't even available to MVP or the IT Pro Memontum members, such as 6936 X64, and 6956 X86. And to me, as a beta collectors, every leaked and/or stolen builds are importants as each builds have different sets of new features. Maybe you didn't feel the same way as you're not a beta collectors.
There's no programs to join before the public beta, and if it's available, such as the PDC 2008, it'll cost bombs just to see the new OS. And FYI, Microsoft don't give a damn about the leaked pre-beta bits, since they know it'll still expires in a time and it's contain lots of unfinished and buggy/not stable codes. Want proof? Try WinBeta. They've released those betas of Microsoft starting from Longhorn and Microsoft never takes any actions to them not because they didn't want to, but because they simply think it's not worth it. rolleyes.gif
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They do give a damn, just that like every other matters, the process takes time before any action can be taken.
You are wrong there,there is a program to join before the public beta. But, it's selective and kept under the covers.

The 'stolen' or 'leaked' builds are leaked by various sources, vendors, partners etc those who are involve in the 'legalize' testing of the OS.
Though NDA and other legal docs have been signed, and laws are harsh, but ... it's not 100% fool-proof.

It's like spy-shots or leaked photos of new car models, the companies takes great effort to protect it, but it still end up in some website some place somewhere.

For the rest, if you're interested to test Windows 7 in a structured manner, getting attention from the product team itself, getting your testing project reviewed and getting a one year TechNet Plus for free, then join ITProMomentum. I'm on it. Instead of downloading, the bits will be send in DVD from Redmond.

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They do give a damn, just that like every other matters, the process takes time before any action can be taken.
You are wrong there,there is a program to join before the public beta. But, it's selective and kept under the covers.
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What about leaked Longhorn builds? It's been three years already. Even Windows7 is about to reach beta status and nothing is done. And there's no damage to Microsoft except they're getting good hot hypes.

QUOTE(trifecta @ Dec 24 2008, 01:07 PM)
For the rest, if you're interested to test Windows 7 in a structured manner, getting attention from the product team itself, getting your testing project reviewed and getting a one year TechNet Plus for free, then join ITProMomentum. I'm on it. Instead of downloading, the bits will be send in DVD from Redmond.
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Can't seem to join the site. Is there any prerequisites I need to get done before I can join?
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QUOTE(yiwsg @ Dec 24 2008, 04:04 AM)
did anybody figure out a major problem in the Build 6959?
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Isn't it Build 6956?

QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Dec 24 2008, 04:12 AM)
You guys install Windows 7 on Virtual Machine or Real Computer?
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Mine is as a separate boot-partition (real computer).

QUOTE(trifecta @ Dec 24 2008, 10:02 AM)
Hence, read above what I typed...'when the Beta bits are announced', that will be the legal one for public beta testers.
So, it's no 'surprise' or 'new news', that is the intended timeline for the Beta bits to come out.

Are you also testing Windows 7 Server as well?
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Nope, I've got no idea of where to acquire Windows 7 Server.

QUOTE(trifecta @ Dec 24 2008, 12:34 PM)
Its not 'tiny' detail, only 'n00bs' and outsiders will feel 'special' that they have access to 'stolen' or 'leaked' bits.

Like I said, want to try the releases and become a beta tester, join the program, so the specific product team (Win2K8 or Windows 7 etc) will take take notice of your comments and improve the product before the general release.
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14-year old kid can join the program as a BETA tested? Btw, I'm not a "noob" or "outsider".
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The MVP who tested Windows 7 is 19 yo now, and became MVP at age of 16 if I'm not mistaken. So age is no problem.

He's been in and out of Redmond a few times, for some unknown reason, the child-prodigy is not keen to join MS.


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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 24 2008, 01:23 PM)
What about leaked Longhorn builds? It's been three years already. Even Windows7 is about to reach beta status and nothing is done. And there's no damage to Microsoft except they're getting good hot hypes.
Can't seem to join the site. Is there any prerequisites I need to get done before I can join?
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I will email the person who send me the invite.
PM me for your email and I will pass it to him.

He's chasing for numbers, so we all are doing him a big favor actually by testing Windows 7, instead of the other way around.

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QUOTE(trifecta @ Dec 24 2008, 05:09 PM)
I will email the person who send me the invite.
PM me for your email and I will pass it to him.

He's chasing for numbers, so we all are doing him a big favor actually by testing Windows 7, instead of the other way around.
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UGPM bro
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QUOTE(trifecta @ Dec 24 2008, 05:09 PM)
The MVP who tested Windows 7 is 19 yo now, and became MVP at age of 16 if I'm not mistaken. So age is no problem.

He's been in and out of Redmond a few times, for some unknown reason, the child-prodigy is not keen to join MS.


Added on December 24, 2008, 5:11 pm

I will email the person who send me the invite.
PM me for your email and I will pass it to him.

He's chasing for numbers, so we all are doing him a big favor actually by testing Windows 7, instead of the other way around.
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Woa, he must be the future William Gates. brows.gif
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Woa, he must be the future William Gates. brows.gif
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And maybe you can be the future Adrian Gates brows.gif icon_idea.gif
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And maybe you can be the future Adrian Gates brows.gif icon_idea.gif
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when will windows 7 be released?
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when will windows 7 be released?
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No one knows when the exact date that Windows 7 will be released to stores for end-users like us to purchase, but the release date for Windows 7 BETA may be on 5th Jan '09 or 7th Jan '09 or 13th Jan '09. Microsoft is still very shy in the real release date news. tongue.gif I wished it was released now, I can purchase it as my Christmas present. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 25 2008, 03:32 PM)
No one knows when the exact date that Windows 7 will be released to stores for end-users like us to purchase, but the release date for Windows 7 BETA may be on 5th Jan '09 or 7th Jan '09 or 13th Jan '09. Microsoft is still very shy in the real release date news. tongue.gif I wished it was released now, I can purchase it as my Christmas present. hmm.gif
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Don't worry dude, you can buy Windows7 on Q4 2009 as your christmas present smile.gif
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 25 2008, 03:32 PM)
No one knows when the exact date that Windows 7 will be released to stores for end-users like us to purchase, but the release date for Windows 7 BETA may be on 5th Jan '09 or 7th Jan '09 or 13th Jan '09. Microsoft is still very shy in the real release date news. tongue.gif I wished it was released now, I can purchase it as my Christmas present. hmm.gif
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whoah.. is it xmas present for urself? or for me? he he he~~
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QUOTE(woopypooky @ Dec 25 2008, 08:32 AM)
when will windows 7 be released?
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MS maintains that it will be early 2010, though many are speculating that it will be end-2009...

now waiting for my friend to throw me a copy of beta...
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 25 2008, 05:58 PM)
Don't worry dude, you can buy Windows7 on Q4 2009 as your christmas present smile.gif
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So late only released? I though it's Q1 of '09. I thought they release BETA for 1 month -> After that, RTM. blush.gif

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whoah.. is it xmas present for urself? or for me? he he he~~
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For all of us LYNers! brows.gif

QUOTE(astria @ Dec 25 2008, 08:43 PM)
MS maintains that it will be early 2010, though many are speculating that it will be end-2009...

now waiting for my friend to throw me a copy of beta...
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Bro, official BETA not released yet. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 25 2008, 10:40 PM)
Bro, official BETA not released yet. rolleyes.gif
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yes i know...

he said he'll give me a copy asap when it's released...
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QUOTE(astria @ Dec 25 2008, 11:34 PM)
yes i know...

he said he'll give me a copy asap when it's released...
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Can ask your friend give me a copy also? brows.gif Please, I'm willing to pay a few bucks. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 25 2008, 11:57 PM)
Can ask your friend give me a copy also? brows.gif Please, I'm willing to pay a few bucks. rolleyes.gif
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Bro, the Beta on January next year is a public beta, so you can all download it and burn to empty DVD, no need to wait mah... btw, the beta is free-of-charge, so no need to pay. The RTM is the one we need to pay so if it's released on Xmas, it can be our present aight? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 26 2008, 02:15 AM)
Bro, the Beta on January next year is a public beta, so you can all download it and burn to empty DVD, no need to wait mah... btw, the beta is free-of-charge, so no need to pay. The RTM is the one we need to pay so if it's released on Xmas, it can be our present aight? hmm.gif
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Oh, okay. Gr8, but I need a kind forummer to PM me the link once it's released cause I'm very blur. sweat.gif
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Did I hear beta testing? ohmy.gif

I want!
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QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Dec 26 2008, 03:19 AM)
Did I hear beta testing? ohmy.gif

I want!
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Bro, patient a little bit first la. 13th January 2009 then you should be able to acquire the free download. brows.gif
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I think it will be very heavy, is meant for hardcore computers???

Normal Celeron or ADM wonder can use this???
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QUOTE(yip_man @ Dec 26 2008, 03:56 AM)
I think it will be very heavy, is meant for hardcore computers???

Normal Celeron or ADM wonder can use this???
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It's very light ler. doh.gif I think one of it's main points of sale is because of it's low system requirements.
PS: I've tried it. tongue.gif
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Hi,

For those are interested to see Windows 7 at Microsoft PDC, please go to the Microsoft PDC 2008 website here. Click on Windows 7 tag.

You can even download the video and watch it at your free time.

Hope this helps.

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QUOTE(sheeeng @ Dec 26 2008, 10:47 AM)
Hi,

For those are interested to see Windows 7 at Microsoft PDC, please go to the Microsoft PDC 2008 website here. Click on Windows 7 tag.

You can even download the video and watch it at your free time.

Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the link, but that's old news. There's at least 6 new builds after one distributed at PDC 2008: 6936, 6956, 7000, 7004, 7009 and 7015.
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 26 2008, 11:13 AM)
Thanks for the link, but that's old news. There's at least 6 new builds after one distributed at PDC 2008: 6936, 6956, 7000, 7004, 7009 and 7015.
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Bro, I've got some news, Built 7006 is a "faked leak". doh.gif
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Anyone has links to download the Windows 7 builds? I mean through the proper channel provided by Microsoft.
Thanks in advance.
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QUOTE(sheeeng @ Dec 26 2008, 01:26 PM)
Anyone has links to download the Windows 7 builds? I mean through the proper channel provided by Microsoft.
Thanks in advance.
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Currently I can't provide you with official download links from Microsoft until 13th January 2009 as that's the rumored official BETA release date. The BETA is a free for download release. Btw, you want Windows 7 Builds, I can PM you the links but they're leaked and totally not official. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 26 2008, 01:21 PM)
Bro, I've got some news, Built 7006 is a "faked leak". doh.gif
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Of course it is, not in my list of leaked builds, isn't it? brows.gif


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Anyone has links to download the Windows 7 builds? I mean through the proper channel provided by Microsoft.
Thanks in advance.
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There's no proper release through valid channels provided by Microsoft unless you're invited especially by Microsoft or you're in one of Microsoft Early Adopter Program. So you just have to wait for the public beta as TechnoDude94 said earlier. For leaked builds, Uncle Google is your friend rolleyes.gif

or better, you can go to this and refresh it everyday until there's a download button appear on the page. May take a while though... icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 26 2008, 02:25 PM)
Of course it is, not in my list of leaked builds, isn't it? brows.gif


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There's no proper release through valid channels provided by Microsoft unless you're invited especially by Microsoft or you're in one of Microsoft Early Adopter Program. So you just have to wait for the public beta as TechnoDude94 said earlier. For leaked builds, Uncle Google is your friend rolleyes.gif

or better, you can go to [cool.gifthis and refresh it everyday until there's a download button appear on the page. May take a while though... icon_idea.gif
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He'll have to refresh it everyday until the latest day which should be 13th January '09. doh.gif
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 26 2008, 02:44 PM)
He'll have to refresh it everyday until the latest day which should be 13th January '09. doh.gif
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That's the quickest one, fap fap fap refresh refresh refresh and you're among the first non-ms employee (and selected partners) to got ahold of the download link icon_idea.gif

btw, I'm still waiting for the invitation which didn't yet to come yawn.gif
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 26 2008, 02:49 PM)
That's the quickest one, fap fap fap refresh refresh refresh and you're among the first non-ms employee (and selected partners) to got ahold of the download link icon_idea.gif

btw, I'm still waiting for the invitation which didn't yet to come yawn.gif
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What invitation? Btw, I think we should either keep refreshing it or we download later cause Microsoft's servers will be jammed by people downloading all @ 1-shot. brows.gif
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 26 2008, 03:04 PM)
What invitation? Btw, I think we should either keep refreshing it or we download later cause Microsoft's servers will be jammed by people downloading all @ 1-shot. brows.gif
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read this. Ms server won't get overloaded. I never once heard Ms servers overloaded because too many people are downloading from it. That's the power of the $$$ brows.gif
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So hows stuff going here?
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 26 2008, 03:27 PM)
read this. Ms server won't get overloaded. I never once heard Ms servers overloaded because too many people are downloading from it. That's the power of the $$$  brows.gif
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 26 2008, 03:38 PM)
Nothing yet. I'm still crossing fingers waiting for the Public Beta to be available. The tension is rising wor... icon_question.gif
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Can't sleep so I'm back online. I hate suspense. mad.gif
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 26 2008, 03:54 PM)
Can't sleep so I'm back online. I hate suspense. mad.gif
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 26 2008, 03:57 PM)
[OT] Lol dude, go fap fap fap fap and sooner or later you'll felt asleep icon_idea.gif  brows.gif
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For those are interested to see Windows 7 at Microsoft PDC, please go to the Microsoft PDC 2008 website here. Click on Windows 7 tag.

You can even download the video and watch it at your free time.

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Huh... wats with all the tension. Is the Public Beta upon us ? When ?

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It is a fact that Windows 7 is not as bloated as Vista and is a more stabilized version as seen here.

I am very sure its going to be Windows XP vs. Windows 7 head-to-head...

"Its going to be a far better Vista experience on Windows 7 " -defaultname365




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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Dec 26 2008, 05:48 PM)
Huh... wats with all the tension. Is the Public Beta upon us ? When ?

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It is a fact that Windows 7 is not as bloated as Vista and is a more stabilized version as seen here.

I am very sure its going to be Windows XP vs. Windows 7 head-to-head...

"Its going to be a far better Vista experience on Windows 7 " -defaultname365
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i'm hoping that software that runs in win winXP will run in Win7 flawlessly.
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Dec 26 2008, 05:48 PM)
Huh... wats with all the tension. Is the Public Beta upon us ? When ?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


It is a fact that Windows 7 is not as bloated as Vista and is a more stabilized version as seen here.

I am very sure its going to be Windows XP vs. Windows 7 head-to-head...

"Its going to be a far better Vista experience on Windows 7 " -defaultname365
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I agree with you. Actually, Windows 7 should be going with Windows Vista head-to-head because Windows Vista was supposed to go with Windows XP head-to-head but failed.

QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 26 2008, 06:51 PM)
i'm hoping that software that runs in win winXP will run in Win7 flawlessly.
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I'm sad that I've to tell you this but after trying Windows 7 Build 6956, I've experienced the inability to launch certain programs properly. cry.gif
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 26 2008, 08:42 PM)
I agree with you. Actually, Windows 7 should be going with Windows Vista head-to-head because Windows Vista was supposed to go with Windows XP head-to-head but failed.
I'm sad that I've to tell you this but after trying Windows 7 Build 6956, I've experienced the inability to launch certain programs properly. cry.gif
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What kind of certain programs are you talking about?
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 26 2008, 10:35 PM)
Comodo Firewall, Admuncher, Daemon Tools, Raxco Perfect Disk, Nero 9 (Can install but can't launch) don't work in Windows 7 Build 6956 except Nero 9.
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For me, Kaspersky AV/IS works without a hitch. Paragon Partition Manager 9.0 works flawlessly, but Nero 8 & 9 both didn't work at all, I have to use UltraISO for my burning need. And oh, Visual Basic 6.0 still works, just need to disable DWM when running to avoid lagging in IDE.
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those are the software that will definitely be replaced with newer version. so, i'm not so worry about these. Nero comes out with new version with every windows release.

i'm worrying about some engineering software such as Prokon (civil engineering app for my sister), IBM AFP Printfile Viewer (really old app sweat.gif as document viewer used in my office, till today there's no alternative) and StarOffice (used by my mum as government has gone Sun apps due to lower price). sad.gif

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 27 2008, 09:06 AM)
those are the software that will definitely be replaced with newer version. so, i'm not so worry about these. Nero comes out with new version with every windows release.

i'm worrying about some engineering software such as Prokon (civil engineering app for my sister), IBM AFP Printfile Viewer (really old app sweat.gif as document viewer used in my office, till today there's no alternative) and StarOffice (used by my mum as government has gone Sun apps due to lower price). sad.gif
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 27 2008, 09:06 AM)
those are the software that will definitely be replaced with newer version. so, i'm not so worry about these. Nero comes out with new version with every windows release.

i'm worrying about some engineering software such as Prokon (civil engineering app for my sister), IBM AFP Printfile Viewer (really old app sweat.gif as document viewer used in my office, till today there's no alternative) and StarOffice (used by my mum as government has gone Sun apps due to lower price). sad.gif
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 26 2008, 08:42 PM)
I agree with you. Actually, Windows 7 should be going with Windows Vista head-to-head because Windows Vista was supposed to go with Windows XP head-to-head but failed.
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I said Windows 7 vs. Windows XP. You see, since Windows Vista did not garner the support from XP users, the question remains : Can Windows 7 garner the support of XP users this time ?

Thus, it is going to be Windows 7 vs. Windows XP (not Vista).

However, early indication is that Windows 7 is way smoother and more... agile than Vista, but plagued with compatibility issues. Since they are doing things so early (Nvidia + ATi alreadi working on drivers at this stage...), it would not surprise me that big software developers also are 'already' making their software compatible for Windows 7. Just wait and see... soon, all the major software will work in Windows 7.



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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Dec 27 2008, 02:33 PM)
I said Windows 7 vs. Windows XP. You see, since Windows Vista did not garner the support from XP users, the question remains : Can Windows 7 garner the support of XP users this time ?

Thus, it is going to be Windows 7 vs. Windows XP (not Vista).

However, early indication is that Windows 7 is way smoother and more... agile than Vista, but plagued with compatibility issues. Since they are doing things so early (Nvidia + ATi alreadi working on drivers at this stage...), it would not surprise me that big software developers also are 'already' making their software compatible for Windows 7. Just wait and see... soon, all the major software will work in Windows 7.
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i've tried windows 7...
have a prob with generic host...
when i connected to the internet,suddenly the error popup then i will lost the connection...
need to restart my pc then i can connect again...
the prob occur many times so i prefer to install other windows version...
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QUOTE(a_pitx @ Dec 27 2008, 03:43 PM)
i've tried windows 7...
have a prob with generic host...
when i connected to the internet,suddenly the error popup then i will lost the connection...
need to restart my pc then i can connect again...
the prob occur many times so i prefer to install other windows version...
but i love the new win 7...if someone have the fine win 7 links pls pm me...
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Dec 27 2008, 02:33 PM)
I said Windows 7 vs. Windows XP. You see, since Windows Vista did not garner the support from XP users, the question remains : Can Windows 7 garner the support of XP users this time ?

Thus, it is going to be Windows 7 vs. Windows XP (not Vista).

However, early indication is that Windows 7 is way smoother and more... agile than Vista, but plagued with compatibility issues. Since they are doing things so early (Nvidia + ATi alreadi working on drivers at this stage...), it would not surprise me that big software developers also are 'already' making their software compatible for Windows 7. Just wait and see... soon, all the major software will work in Windows 7.
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You see, sometimes all the developer needs to do to make their software running in Windows7 is to change the OS version number detection. Add Windows7 version number to supported list and it's good to go.
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 27 2008, 07:38 PM)
You see, sometimes all the developer needs to do to make their software running in Windows7 is to change the OS version number detection. Add Windows7 version number to supported list and it's good to go.
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Does it have anything to do with Windows Installer or Installershield thing?
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There are hundreds of thousands, if not MILLIONS of PC applications out there.

Just because of those "BIG DEVELOPERS" making their applications compatible with Win7 doesn't mean that XP users will flock to Win7 en masse.

The one thing that makes XP successful is because many applications that run on Win98 and WinME also run on XP.

But looks like Microsoft never learn from their mistake. They keep on shooting off their own toes.

It's sad. Really sad.
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 27 2008, 08:34 PM)
Does it have anything to do with Windows Installer or Installershield thing?
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QUOTE(convivencia @ Dec 27 2008, 08:39 PM)
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There are hundreds of thousands, if not MILLIONS of PC applications out there.

Just because of those "BIG DEVELOPERS" making their applications compatible with Win7 doesn't mean that XP users will flock to Win7 en masse.

The one thing that makes XP successful is because many applications that run on Win98 and WinME also run on XP.

But looks like Microsoft never learn from their mistake. They keep on shooting off their own toes.

It's sad. Really sad.
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There you got it wrong. Initially, Windows 98/Me applications are not compatible with Windows XP, most of them. They can barely run on Windows XP without any problem(s). Don't believe me? Turn your clock way back to 2001 or 2002 and see if I'm bullshitting. Microsoft already learnt from their mistake with Windows Vista. That's why it's setting things straight and also why you won't see Windows7 version numbering is not 7.x, but still 6.x. I don't see why developers wouldn't change some bits on their code to support Windows7 as Windows7 codebase are same as Vista, only improved.

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btw guise, build7000 just release. lulz.. anyone try out yet?
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all new profit for application software ya.. need to design new version so that can compatible with vienna... hehe....
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all new profit for application software ya.. need to design new version so that can compatible with vienna... hehe....
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It's not Vienna, it's Windows7. Plus it's not all profits, some can still be used perfectly fine as it was on Windows Vista. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(sheeeng @ Feb 15 2007, 12:36 PM)
Q: Why Windows 7?
A: Since Windows Vista is really Windows 6.0, Vienna will presumably be version 7.0.
Forgive me for being ignorant. If vista is Windows 6 and Windows 3.XX is considered as Windows 3.0, then what about Windows 95, 98 and XP? Is 95 and 98 in the same group?

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Forgive me for being ignorant. If vista is Windows 6 and Windows 3.XX is considered as Windows 3.0, then what about Windows 95, 98 and XP? Is 95 and 98 in the same group?
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Windows 3.0 was available for two different audience. 3.0 is for home consumer, while 3.x for Windows Workgroup is for business which based on NT kernel. Windows 95, 98, Me is not based on NT kernel. Windows XP is NT 5.0 kernel. That's what I understand, but maybe I was wrong.
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 28 2008, 03:25 PM)
Windows 3.0 was available for two different audience. 3.0 is for home consumer, while 3.x for Windows Workgroup is for business which based on NT kernel. Windows 95, 98, Me is not based on NT kernel. Windows XP is NT 5.0 kernel. That's what I understand, but maybe I was wrong.
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I know if enterprise-version speaking that would be right. I just thought he meant to talk about end user version. Thank you for enlighten things up. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Spade @ Dec 28 2008, 03:30 PM)
I know if enterprise-version speaking that would be right. I just thought he meant to talk about end user version. Thank you for enlighten things up. smile.gif
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The end-user/consumer version ended with Windows Me, which Windows 95, Windows 98 FE/SE, and Windows Me are version 4.x. Meanwhile Windows NT 4.0 is indeed based on NT 4.0 kernel.
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 28 2008, 03:34 PM)
The end-user/consumer version ended with Windows Me, which Windows 95, Windows 98 FE/SE, and Windows Me are version 4.x. Meanwhile Windows NT 4.0 is indeed based on NT 4.0 kernel.
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Yeah I know. NT 5 was named Windows 2000 and so on. It just didn't occurred to me just now that he is referring to Kernel Number.
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actually, Windows 7 is NT 6.1 if u really want to go technical...

so the naming dun work in terms of NT number...

strange huh...
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QUOTE(astria @ Dec 28 2008, 05:31 PM)
actually, Windows 7 is NT 6.1 if u really want to go technical...

so the naming dun work in terms of NT number...

strange huh...
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QUOTE(astria @ Dec 28 2008, 05:31 PM)
actually, Windows 7 is NT 6.1 if u really want to go technical...

so the naming dun work in terms of NT number...

strange huh...
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So it is NT 6.1 Kernel after all. So guess the thread starter was wrong on this one.

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So it is NT 6.1 Kernel after all. So guess the thread starter was wrong on this one.
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Microsoft won't go with NT 7.0 kernel with Windows7 to avoid incompatibilites, like when it introduce Windows Vista with NT 6.0 kernel.
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So it is NT 6.1 Kernel after all. So guess the thread starter was wrong on this one.
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but dun forget he wrote the article in 2007...
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QUOTE(astria @ Dec 28 2008, 06:07 PM)
but dun forget he wrote the article in 2007...
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Dec 26 2008, 05:48 PM)
Huh... wats with all the tension. Is the Public Beta upon us ? When ?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


It is a fact that Windows 7 is not as bloated as Vista and is a more stabilized version as seen here.

I am very sure its going to be Windows XP vs. Windows 7 head-to-head...

"Its going to be a far better Vista experience on Windows 7 " -defaultname365
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juz wonder will windows program get more crashes............since they "merge" those proses to keep the ram run low eg sidebar merge with explorer
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juz wonder will windows program get more crashes............since they "merge" those proses to keep the ram run low eg sidebar merge with explorer
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Windows Sidebar is still a separate process, it just that the functionality has been integrated into Desktop, so you won't see separate bar on your Desktop for gadgets. If you add a gadget, you can see in Task Manager that sidebar.exe is running, and when you close all gadgets, sidebar.exe also shut down.
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windows experience index on windows 7 build 7000 32bit

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I'm getting the OEM for this... how bout u guys? I heard got touch screen features... but have to change monitor?
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when is the official date that this windows gonna be release
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MS only say late 2009 or early 2010

but some are speculating mid 2009, as Asus claims that they can have Windows 7 Netbooks by then...
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i noticed the version of windows 7 is a small incremental jump compared to vista

6.0.6001 for vista-SP1
6.1.7000 for Windows 7 (B7000)

and the copyright year is still 2006?

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QUOTE(jinaun @ Dec 29 2008, 05:25 PM)
i noticed the version of windows 7 is a small incremental jump compared to vista

6.0.6001 for vista-SP1
6.1.7000 for Windows 7 (B7000)

and the copyright year is still 2006?
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Of course there's version incremental is on Windows7, or else, Microsoft would call it Windows Vista SE. All Windows7 builds carry 6.1.<BUILD_NUMBER> version tag everywhere. The reason you still seeing 2006 in CMD is that there's no updates applied to CMD, so it's stay like the old Vista CMD.


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I'm getting the OEM for this... how bout u guys? I heard got touch screen features... but have to change monitor?
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I'll be getting it free or charge, from my TechNet+ subscription. Of course you'll need to change your monitor, unless there's a multitouch addon for current monitor.

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QUOTE(astria @ Dec 29 2008, 05:08 PM)
MS only say late 2009 or early 2010

but some are speculating mid 2009, as Asus claims that they can have Windows 7 Netbooks by then...
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Vista business and image must be very bad..i thought they just release the vista...
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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 29 2008, 06:02 PM)
Of course there's version incremental is on Windows7, or else, Microsoft would call it Windows Vista SE. All Windows7 builds carry 6.1.<BUILD_NUMBER> version tag everywhere. The reason you still seeing 2006 in CMD is that there's no updates applied to CMD, so it's stay like the old Vista CMD.


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I'll be getting it free or charge, from my TechNet+ subscription. Of course you'll need to change your monitor, unless there's a multitouch addon for current monitor.
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free of charge? what do you mean free of charge? what subscription izzat?
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Dec 29 2008, 07:22 PM)
free of charge? what do you mean free of charge? what subscription izzat?
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Vista business and image must be very bad..i thought they just release the vista...
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It's bad because of those dumb-tards that keeps telling people Vista sucks even when it doesn't.

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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 29 2008, 07:31 PM)
Free of charge as in free beer, or free sex. Read more about TechNet+ subscription here.


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It's bad because of those dumb-tards that keeps telling people Vista sucks even when it doesn't.
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free sex? wow drool.gif u sure it's clean or not... any scamming?
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Dec 29 2008, 07:52 PM)
free sex? wow  drool.gif  u sure it's clean or not... any scamming?
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Haiya, that free sex is just an example doh.gif What is clean? TechNet+ subscription? Sure it is, it's from Microsoft. Only RM1300 for first year and RM1000 per year afterwards.
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post Dec 29 2008, 08:01 PM

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I’ve not had a long time with Windows 7 beta 1 (given the holidays) but I’ve played with it long enough to form a few opinions:

    * There are no new features in this build. If Microsoft has any new stuff lined up for the RTM then we’re going to have to wait to find out. Features-wise, build 6.1.7000.0.081212-1400 is similar to earlier builds I’ve looked at (here are some posts for you to check out: 1, 2, 3).
    * This beta is of excellent quality. This is the kind of code that you could roll out and live with. Even the pre-betas were solid, but finally this beta feels like it’s “done.” This beta exceeds the quality of any other Microsoft OS beta that I’ve handled.
    * Performance of this beta is exceptional. I’ve not had a chance to benchmark it yet but it feels snappier and more responsive than earlier betas I’ve handled.
    * Judging by the quality of this build, I expect Windows 7 to be released June/July of ‘09. I really can’t see Microsoft dragging out the release a year.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3222
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post Dec 29 2008, 08:06 PM

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June/July 09? walao thats pretty early.
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post Dec 29 2008, 08:11 PM

cumel kan
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rebelsoul76
post Dec 29 2008, 08:13 PM

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there's a Windows 7 thread here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/593959
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post Dec 29 2008, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(rebelsoul76 @ Dec 29 2008, 08:13 PM)
there's a Windows 7 thread here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/593959
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i think that is more towards discussion of people using W7... tongue.gif

anyway, feel free to merge this thread if necessary..
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post Dec 29 2008, 09:16 PM

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vista's gone....
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post Dec 29 2008, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 29 2008, 07:57 PM)
Haiya, that free sex is just an example doh.gif What is clean? TechNet+ subscription? Sure it is, it's from Microsoft. Only RM1300 for first year and RM1000 per year afterwards.
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only people with stable jobs could get that subscription.. lol
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post Dec 29 2008, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(Shin1022 @ Dec 29 2008, 07:08 PM)
Vista business and image must be very bad..i thought they just release the vista...
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back from Mars???

Vista was launched in 2007...

abt time for a new OS, as according to MS' history...

XP was too darn long...
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post Dec 29 2008, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(astria @ Dec 29 2008, 10:02 PM)
back from Mars???

Vista was launched in 2007...

abt time for a new OS, as according to MS' history...

XP was too darn long...
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haha, what i meant was recently lar....2007 is just 1 year ago...and now they are planning windows 7 for 2009..

if not because of bad business and image..what for they plan for the new OS?
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post Dec 29 2008, 11:03 PM

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no...

MS' OS life cycle has always been 3 yrs...

initially they planned for 7 in 2010... juz that 1) Vista is still not yet well-received by mid 08 and 2) they are making some good progress, they can afford to get 7 ready earliest by end 09

rather, XP is a special case... due to delays in Vista...

so it's abt time that MS come up with a new OS...

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post Dec 30 2008, 02:19 AM

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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Dec 29 2008, 04:26 PM)
I'm getting the OEM for this... how bout u guys? I heard got touch screen features... but have to change monitor?
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Vista also supports Touch Screen.

QUOTE(twilight_fever @ Dec 29 2008, 04:57 PM)
when is the official date that this windows gonna be release
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Should be end of December 2009 (Next year's Christmas present) or January 2010.

QUOTE(allvin @ Dec 29 2008, 06:46 PM)
now using win7 lulz.. installing some driver for my macbook
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BootCamp drivers can be used in Windows 7, if yes, I'll install it now. Would really love to run and show off (brows.gif), Windows 7 on my MacBook. rclxm9.gif
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post Dec 30 2008, 02:44 AM

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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 30 2008, 02:19 AM)
BootCamp drivers can be used in Windows 7, if yes, I'll install it now. Would really love to run and show off (brows.gif), Windows 7 on my MacBook. rclxm9.gif
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Can't you use normal Windows drivers that's included with Windows7? I thought Mac hardwares are generic one, not custom one such as from the IBM era... hmm.gif
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post Dec 30 2008, 02:54 AM

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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Dec 30 2008, 02:44 AM)
Can't you use normal Windows drivers that's included with Windows7? I thought Mac hardwares are generic one, not custom one such as from the IBM era... hmm.gif
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AFAIK, when I installed Vista into my MacBook, I'm required to install official 3rd-party drivers from Apple through BootCamp, not sure about Windows 7 though. blush.gif

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