hi everyone..

i think many of u guys know bout this guy, nicked Seamonster.. he keeps selling good used stuffs at cheaper price while accept trade in.. normally he sells processor (OEM and retail)

ok here is the case,


wednesday:
i wanted to buy from him one Q6600 retail, then i also said i want to trade in with one of my E2160.. so he said ok..
i have to pay him RM540..
I agree with that, but i said i need the q6600 to be in my hand first before i posted out my E2160.
He said ok, but i have to pay him full amount first. I asked how much, he said RM700. I agree with it.

thursday:
this is the day he shud posted out the processor... later in afternoon i asked him whether he already posted or not, he said he cant post it yet bcoz he still waiting for the heatsink + receipt from the guy he bought the q6600 (remember he is a trader)..
but i said i need the cpu fast so just post the processor first and the rest of the stuffs later. he said ok, he will post the processor today and the other stuffs on friday..

Friday:
i got the item..


The next week:
I still didnt receive the other stuffs..
I posted out the E2160 on thursday to one address he gave (shah alam)

The week after:
I didnt yet receive my stuffs (the heatsink + receipt)
and he also didnt receive my cpu..

this week:
i tried to solve with him in Pm but in the end of the day he refuse to entertain me.. He also acted sarcasticly in PM..

Today:
i try to solve thing and only ask him to admit his mistake.. but he dun want.. instead he challenge me to open this thread coz he said he wants to see if he can win against a 4k post senior member..

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Ok, the problem here is both of us dun keep the poslaju receipt.. so we failed to prove it to make things easier.. On my part, i already bear my loss (for the E2160) and seamonster dun have to refund me back..

it's like i'm buying the Q6600 alone.. not trade in..

but for Seamonster part, he didnt want to admit his mistake when i asked bout the heatsink + receipt.. u know, i dun really care bout the heatsink + receipt.. but if u bought sthing retail, and agreed to have those stuffs, surely u want it rite? and in this case the stuffs means more esp for warranty purpose..

i PMed him few times to discuss, but he keep asking where is my E2160... and try to avoid the heatsink + receipt that he lost...

just imagine,

if u buying a used car + trade in with ur current car.. while waiting for the loan process suddenly ur current car was stolen.. but u already got full loan for ur new car, can the usedcar seller decide to not sell the car to u? coz u already paid and he already got the money from bank..
can he keeps asking where the **** is the my old car? and decided to hold the new car document?




Honestly, i didnt plan to open this thread.. but he challenge me to do so.. So i open it.. I have pride as well.. not just him.. If he thinks he got so many follower due to nice stuff he is selling, then that's it..

I dun care who is wrong here. i believe both of us are wrong, by loosing the poslaju receipt.. but i believe both of us have to be responsible.. i responsible for the E2160, he responsible for the heatsink + receipt.. that's it.. In the end who doesnt want to be responsible, he is the one who is loosing..

Fyi, i also had another one E2160 lying around.. but i dun think i can replace the missing one and give this to him.. coz for what had happened..

Maybe u guys can advice us what shud i do, and what shud he do.. I hope this case can be solved easily bcoz for me, it's a very small matter.. the amount involved is very small, just rite now i think Seamonster has too much ego in him...

now i'm asking for honest opinion from u guys, no matter if u r my friend, if u think i'm guilty then i'm fine with it.. same with seamonster.. this is the 1st time i open thread here and i want thing to be solved fairly..

Thanks.



** update::

he said i have to open this thread on behalf of him and kucingfight ( the guy who is supposed to buy the E2160 from him) .. so here is another suggestion i want to ask..

am i dealing with Seamonster or Kucingfight? so what ever happens with the processor is between me and seamonster.. for kucingfight, he needs to be responsible for kucingfight, not simply by pointing finger to me when sthing goes wrong..

just imagine:

if u buy some faulty stuff from me.. and the stuff i got from other forumer .. can i simply point u to blame that guy and i just relax goyang kaki? as a seller / trader, i've to be responsible to u coz u r my customer.. then only i blame the guy who sold the stuff to me.. am i rite?

thx again~

plz make it correct.. Seamonster is not middleman.. He is a trader.. do u think if u buy 1 car from a used car shop, the seller is middleman.. and act u r buying a car from the previous owner? NO issit?

i claimed i had sent the proc to the address seamonster requested. i dun even know who lives there.. until this problem happened, only i know he is selling to u..

i dun have to show u the poslaju shipping code, even if i have.. i'm dealing with seamonster, and that's it.. if i lost it, he have to responsible with u (and he did) .. so for ur part, it shudnt b a prob..

it's just between me and seamonster now. thx

thats the prob. when i asked him to do what he shud do, he keeps pointing to the lost processor.. then how to solve lor?

LOL.. i dunno if u are acting or u really dunno.. i ask u to bear the lost of the heatsink + receipt.. I told u many times in PM the processor lost i have to bear it, but why not u bear for the lost heatsink + receipt? it's not fair if i have to bear for both missing stuffs..

i nvr told u con me.. but i said, plz be sincere if the item really arrive or not.. coz i dun have tracking number to check.. but when he said no, i assume no.. i didnt make a big fuss by keep saying that .. LOL..

why shud i provide u dude.. i'm not even deal with u.. i deal with seamonster..

i see he already paid u.. wutever amount he paid to u, then it's up to him..

rite now the problem is i lost the E2160 i sold to seamonster (but he is yet to pay me.. so what's the problem here?)

and at the same time he lost my hsf + receipt (which i already paid)

and his inability to recognize the problem here leads to this ..

as i said, even if u pay rm1k to him, it doesnt related me at all.. coz u owe me heatsink and receipt.. just that..

he is an ethical person for u coz he solved u in a good way..

but he failed to keep his ethical attitute with everyone and in the case, with me...

i want u to bear the lost of the heatsink + receipt coz i lost more than just the cost of the heatsink.. u know why? i need the receipt to prove it as retail one.. and those 2 stuffs are needed for warranty purpose..

do u think i really want heatsink? i've few q6600 hsf (the one with copper base) lying .. i can snap pic for u..

but is that what i want? i just need those 2 stuffs to ensure the mine is a 'retail' one..

so now u lost it, admit it la .. u havent done ur part..

u r absolutely right.. but i already said i accept my fault for loosing the receipt, that's why i wont ask for the Rm160 .. but i want him to be responsible for the hsf + receipt too..

since he makes a big fuss for it, maybe i can negatively say act he is selling me an OEM processor?

this is not about junior or senior.. yeah i am a senior member... i throw my receipt.. but i accept my mistake.. and u? junior member, lost ur receipt, and dun want to accept ur mistake.. owh do u mean i have to forgive u coz u r newbie? need guidance ? if so, think logically what is the thread is all about.. i dun really care bout money.. summore it is just a damn heatsink.. i just want u to accept ur mistake and be responsible.. even at the end i offered u to just accept ur mistake and that's fine for me.. settle.. but u refuse..

owhh i want to think negative as well..

1) u might be doing this coz u actually dun have the hsf, box and receipt... the proc is maybe an OEM one..

2) u are so sad coz failed to get RM40 profits from the E2160, so u want to take revenge and dun want to give me my stuff (be remind that the hsf and receipt is mine since i already paid to u)

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Added on December 12, 2007, 4:50 pmOWN or OWE?

i didnt owe u coz i'm selling to u the E2160 and u didnt pay me any cents for that..

if u meant OWN, i dunno how to explain

This post has been edited by irenic: Dec 12 2007, 04:50 PM

hey, i dun think u get what i meant..

for the receipt both of us are wrong.. loosing it..

but a good seller is not just by selling cheap stuff, or give highest offer.. but also how they offer their after sale service.. in this case, i buy from u a Q6600 retail complete.. but u only gave me proc and lost the other stuffs..

and how u gonna be responsible for it?

do u accept ur mistake for not being responsible with it earlier?

that's why i tried to tell u and i asked u to admit ur mistake for that (irresponsible), but u refuse to do it in PM..

so now a public apologize for being irresponsible will settle everything..

yeah, all i want is the prove of the retail processor i bought..

i hate to think negative, coz i also have no prove to say that this is an OEM proc.. just bcoz i dunno it doesnt mean it is an OEM..

and just bcoz he failed to show his poslaju receipt, it doesnt mean he act dun have the stuffs..

but if can think the other way round, so do i.. and that's just reveal his mistake..more mistake i mean..


i dun care if this is OEM or retail... i've been thinking to keep the proc as backup once penryn is released.. or maybe i can sell at very2 low price due to lack of details (warranty status esp..)


and rite now i dun think he will gives me the heatsink or receipt since he said he already posted to me.. but if he lied, then i can simply forget this matter if he post me the receipt later on.. Only receipt is enuff, no need hsf.. i can just think this as one of problem in online dealing

and public apologize is a must...

no.. it's not ur E2160 yet.. coz u havent paid me anything LOL.. dont be too silly lar.. open ur eyes and minds.. and think a bit!

u r absolutely right..

yeah.. i sent the item directly to one address in shah alam.. later he asked me whether i already sent the item to his boss.. coz his boss already asking..

i thought it's really his boss coz i know he owns a shop in pahang.. i thought in shah alam is really his boss..

if i know it's kucingfight, maybe can just COD in cyberjaya? coz last time i cod with him in cyberjaya.. but i dunno whether he stills around here or not..

the best way now is for someone named izzani to come in front and provide prove that the Q6600 is retail..
ur cooperation will be much appreciated



yeah after consulting few ly.net members, most of them said seamonster might be cheating me by selling OEM proc.. so the best way is to ask for full refund..


act it is very simple.. if lost again, and i dun have receipt, i'll bear the loss..

if i have the receipt, i wont have to bear the loss, but we can ask poslaju to track the parcel..

it's so simple yet someone named seamonster cant understand.. hmmm

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Added on December 12, 2007, 5:29 pmit's bcoz of his so called reputation he really eagers asking me to open this thread.. he said he wants to challenge me.. and he is so free until he likes to see how a junior member fight against 4k posts senior memberr.. lol..

for me it's not about seniority..even that guy is moderator, elite, staff, safe trader or 10 stars member also if he is wrong, than he is wrong.. the reputation wont cover up ur mistake..

like me, i already a senior member and already granted a safe trader.. can i easily blame any prob to my buyer or selles just bcoz of this reputation? NO! i still have to follow rules and ethics to follow.. if i break it, i have to be responsible..

This post has been edited by irenic: Dec 12 2007, 05:29 PM

hmm waiting for seamonster gonna say.. i think all guys already sum everything he shud do..

thx

it's izzani.. i'll pm him and see if he can provides any info..

yeah poslaju is damn horrible.. but i have no choice in using them except few stuffs i'll be using skynet.. lately i've been using skynet to send stuffs to my buyer due to lack of confidence with the poslaju and depends on hurriness of the buyer..


well i brought this up bcoz it's seamonster who asked me to do so.. for the reasons i said earlier, and he also mentioned in PM he wants to be famous...

that means seamonster lied to me by saying he already posted the hsf and receipt hehe.. kantoii..

and izzani, how can u confirm it is retail? any screesnhot of ur receipt? and the pics of ur box? to ensure same codenumber as the one i'm using rite now?

plz help me, if anything goes wrong, i wont claim anything from u.. dun worry..

thx

that means, it is proven that seamonster is lying in my deal..

1) saying he has the hsf + receipt..

2) saying he already posted it, while actually he dont has the items..


So now wut.. guys, whut shud i do?


btw this is quote i got from izzani in the PM..



too bad he said he already lost the box, hsf, receipts..


so i wonder how on earth seamonster claimed that he got the items from izzani .. LOL

and in the world we are living rite now, only words are not enuff.. how to prove it is a real retail one without receipt of purchase or box that shows the same stepping as the one i'm using...

izzani has tried his best to show the pic, and to give guarantee bout the retail proc..

but to anyone who is in my boot, does those makes ur life easier? no.. in case there's something goes wrong with the cpu, still i cant do anything eventhough it is a retail one..


so since Seamonster is online but simply dun want to enter this thread (so far), whut shud i do? i want him to be responsible.. i dun want him to keep selling stuff outthere, pretend like this is not related to him.. hope mod can help me solving this case..

now i'm discussing with him in PM.. will let u know u whats the end of it..

huhu it's hard to prove it.. and i rather not to think that far coz it's no good to have a very2 negative thinking

well yeah.. but rite now seems seamonster is being responsible by offering me to return the q6600..
so what u guys think?

This post has been edited by irenic: Dec 13 2007, 12:37 AM

it will closed once everything is settle.. now not yet, but i can see a light at the end of the tunnel

how come like that..

if like that means seamonster taking the q6600 again at rm540 only.. better i sell it to others at rm500 as an OEM proc than selling to him at that price..

ok the thing is, seamonster hasnt pay the money yet for the e2160.. if u agree to buy stuff from others, but u havent pay, then if the stuff went missing or lost in action can u ask the seller to pay u? LOL. where on earth u can do that...?

now, he needs to refund me RM700 and i'll return the cpu.. unless i decide to take the risk and just use it since i dun think he will pay me rm50-100 for the loss heatsink n warranty..

and for the e2160, the case is closed.. i lost it, he dint pay me yet.. and thats it..nuff said.

huhu yeah it is possible..

now waiting for seamonster to contact me to arrange for refund.. hmm

guys,

after 1 day delay (due to my hectic schedule), i managed to meet seamonster's friend at lyp yesterday.. i returned the proc and he refund me back rm700.. so i think i can say the case is closed..

morale of the story:

1) do not lose ur poslaju / courier receipt

2) ensure the seller provide everything as in agreement

3) seller and buyer has to discuss professionally n peacefully.. things will become easier if both party can tolerate and respect each other. instead of talking big and egoistic..

@moderno & zamree

thx for ur offer, really appreciate it.


and for those who has replies in this thread,
thx for ur time and suggestion / advise..

yeah just wanna leave it for 1-2 days to see others feedback.. well i think it's time now..

well just to make it clear, a simple pm asking the seller what is included in the deal would help avoiding future misunderstood.. so seller shud also cooperate by listing out wut item is included



well now the case has settle, thx to all.. and thx to seamonster & jerren for solving this case professionally in the end.. tQ