Hi Folks,

Just to share my current situation and also require your expertise advice here. Here is my problem.

I am doing well in my finance job and so as my partner in software engineering in telecommucation industry. We are both late twenties, good earnings, committed in high end properties. As I studies in Australia, I also got know a migration lawyer residing there.

I just got in touch with him and he was assessing my skills and my partner and both my partner stand a change to obtain the Australian PR. It also cost RM 15k. (lawyers and PR visa fees). Not including other charges, medical, police clearance and etc which cost extra 5k. Total investment is rm 20k.

Question, Is migrating to overseas a good choice leaving all your high paid jobs and start fresh new ? Anyone here to share their experience which is similar and any advice which ease my thinking cap. We don't want to end up working supermarket for few years and than getting into medium scale jobs.

Regards
dr_luv

This post has been edited by dr_luv: Dec 6 2007, 05:11 PM

Dude it's better surely... Look at our country... it's turning into a circus

i think it is not bad as the aussie will stop packing things sharp at 4.30pm....will have better family n R&R lifestyle.......
not like in msia which we jus go out teabreak at 4.30 so that can work till 7++ or 8++pm......
but the tax is rather high over there......

The grass is always greener else where. I presume you are a non-malay, and if that is the case, you would be considered as secondary citizen like in Malaysia. I also have friend in Australia and new Zealand, racial issues ain't any better over there...

follow ur instincts. if u think ur current skillz and work experience might help u land a comfortable job over there, go right ahead. however, competition is high over there, unemployment rate is not good, and they tend to favour the locals over us "Asians", if u know what i mean. unless u start ur own business, it's gonna be tough. however, aussies are a lazy bunch, so u'll never know.

if that fails to convince u, follow what your minister tells you:

"You tak suka, you keluar!"

we do not know the true living environment and situation over in australia as we do not stay there long enough to know...other countries will always try to paint a nice picture of their own country. We know our country sucks bcoz we stay here long enough....

hm..maybe try getting a job 1st before migrating?

having said that, i actually which to migrate too but financially now i'm not able...All the best buddy

i assume you continue to live under the coconut shell (and finally after a long, happy life...a PR). but seriously, australia and NZ do not have legislation/policies drawn along racial lines.

TS, if you can go for it. no regrets. you were born here, you lived here, you don't have to die here.

to dr-Luv..
well make it this way
if you are looking for career advancement; it is better you decide properly
in australia; it is a booming economy
very hot cake now ..but 5 to 10 yrs down the track; i`m sure it is alright unless kevin rudd do smth else bad.

to work in supermarket; medium scale job is not smth to ashame off
a proper financial planning and whr you want to advance ur career is 2 different thing
besides; since we are globalise now; jumping boat is more frequent and not many employer manage to keeping the good one
well; since you are in finance industry; you should come here and look for some contacts and try to see wat is your chance here for 5 years

tats all i can say; as long aussie stilll need demand for the heating economy; there is still the need for migration
it is part of supply=demand
why stay in malaysia when the grass is so much greener and you are well paid

add on :
getting PR and becoming not citizen is another thing
PR is just to give you more position in australia and helping australia
you still can be malaysia citizen if you wish; it is not tat you have to give up malaysian citizenship

give u example
our PM badawi has a property in perth and he is PR in aussie if not mistaken
but yet he is the one messing our country
so ...u know ~

This post has been edited by KVReninem: Dec 6 2007, 05:01 PM

not sure about your case whether what finance qualifications you have but I migrated to australia in a sudden without planning and I never regret migrating. higher pay more time to relax better earning power. and I got an offer not even 1 week after I touch down australia. I'm not sure which field are you looking for a job however the pay in finance is a lot in australia especially investment banking and the like. bonus easily 6 months above and salary is easily aud70k for fresh grad. well if you have experience you might fetch above 100k per annum easily or I should say even much more depends.

yea; wow..
u r super rich or aka millionaire in 10 yrs time

add to the list; aussie is a exprience based eonomy; so you want to get to top; experience count; salary is secondary
im sure finance industry is well need of ppl now

This post has been edited by KVReninem: Dec 6 2007, 05:05 PM

Just leave this hopeless country. Get your balance life over there. You will never get it from Malaysia.

As for human-right, you better buy your air-ticket now. If you are BUMI, better stay here to gain more $$$ from the government and other racers. Easy money and easy life.

ehm.. if you migrate i am quite sure you need to restart your carrer

if you are still want to go better hurry.. because if you are still under 30 you are still quite young to restart

My strongest advice: Since you're both still below 30 years old and because you do have an Australian education qualification, please leave the country and migrate to Australia!

With the country's current state (need I elaborate more?), it's most advisable for you to look elsewhere. As most of the other forumers have mentioned here, Australia is still the better choice.

All the best!

As in my opinion,it is better u try a new life.Who knows u can get better life style in Australia.If in the matter of money,please leave these country,coz all the chance are giving to the bumiputra.Is very hard to for non-bumiputra to earn money.Somemore the are many limitation for the non-bumiputra entrepreneur.

This post has been edited by mozonia: Dec 6 2007, 08:48 PM

nice topic. doing my IELTS now. RM 300 for a private one to one class totalling up to 30 hours.
no regret and no turning back. and its getting harder to get in and more expensive.

My agent from Ipoh charge me for AUD 2500 and AUD 3000 from KL agent. I think its getting more expensive.
where ever I went to get advices, they told me to be humble there. start small.

One of my relatives that went there, earlier work with alot of international company, she has ACCA, couldnt get the right job, end up seeing a shrink.
anyway she fine now, finally got a accountant job. so have to prepare for a little suffering. no pain no gain.

We have racial issues everywhere, but i dun think in Australia, its worst than Malaysia. I have many open-minded Malays friends planning going there also. the sad things is i am not really that qualified as I dun meet the 4 years experiences requirement.

I try to apply to go in as finance, but lack requirements. check up the sol list in their webbie. its not what ppl think.
They are looking for technical ppl.

go go go if u could.

This post has been edited by wingcross: Dec 6 2007, 09:00 PM

I support u! n dun worry.. a lot asians.. b it malaysians.. singaporeans.. indo..HK wtv also migrating there every year!
ur not the only ones..

it's ur choice..but im sure deep down u also been thinking it's a good, fresh move anyhow

good luck in wtv path u choose!

Think of it as an investment. Put in some money and effort, try it out for a bit. If you don't like it you could come back and possibly with an offer in a Malaysian company with better pay too considering your experience overseas.

On the flip side however, I've known several Chinese friends who have been working overseas successfully for many years but still decided to come back for various reasons. They're certainly very brave IMO.

i think 10-20 years down the road.. working in Australia might be better for your career advancement.. it will definitely be better for your children's education and future...

if i have the opportunity.. i would apply for PR in Australia too.. just getting more working experience before i apply as I studied there as well..

the thing about Australian PR is.. for every 5 years, one will have to stay 2 years in total.. so if you hold an Australian PR but continuing working in Malaysia.. that might become a problem...

Dear Folks,

Thanks a lot for feedback, anway how is the job prospects in Australia for banking/finance and telecommunication industry ?

We both lived and studied in Aust for couple of years. Part of the PR process, we have to live there for 3-4 years for next PR renewal or citizenship.

There are certain items which we are sure unable to obtain in Australia such as

1) Free flow or cheap mamak food at night/supper
2) Housekeeping Maids with affordable pay
3) Family closeness
4) Close friends hanging out
5) Variety of Massage, Facial parlour
6) Malaysia is heaven for food

Can't think of anything so far ! Do list if possible.

Regards
dr_luv

imo, if you qualify, why not try it ..if you dun like australia, you can always come back..

and if you have time, you can always apply the PR on your own..(that's what i did)..

there are lots of forums available that helped me a lot to go for the PR on my own..(PM me if you need the forum URL)

hope i can get thru by mid next year...

True,

I was there for 1 and a half year to study. Gotta say that they have their good and bad, just like M'sia.

The good
1) Most of the people, at least from where I usually go (the restaurant, the shopping complex, the university and around the city) are friendly.
2) The environment is clean and more healthy, heck even the market's (Paddy's Market) washroom is so clean.
3) Oppotunities are everywhere, but remember it also comes with a cost.
4) The government technically raise your children (exp: AUD5000 when the child is born, no questions asked).
5) It's a developed country, so you can get a lot of stuffs that you wish to get easier.

The bad
1) It is not as safe as you think, at least it is safer is most part of M'sia (sad but have to admit it is true). Gangs are notorious if you are at the wrong place.
2) There are still people that think foreigners like you and me ruin their country.
3) Tax is sky high (15% - 45%) depends what you earn. On the other hand, you are entitled to the "aid fund" if you are jobless (this is only valid if you are a citizen).
4) Living standard is quite high if you stay in Melbourne or Sydney or even Brisbane. I think for a working class person, it would cost about AUD1500 just for living expense.
5) As a new immigrant, unless you got a good pay job (AUD4000 a month per person), you are subject to suffer for quite a while.
6) It might sound weird, but inefficiency is a problem that haunts Aus and New Zealand for quite a while.

Your own judgement
1) People are quite laid back, or maybe it's just they try to get a good time?
2) Normal entertainment here not equals to normal entertainment there.
3) Cars are not recommended
4) They are very down to earth and realist (personally I like this)

My plan is after I got enough money, I will apply for PR (I got an aus degree and working experience and score more than 100 points) on the PR test) but I will still work in the place which I called "Home".

Seriously, I got tears in my eyes the first time I came back from Australia and the flight attendants says "Welcome Home" through the PA.

i'm workin in aus now. studied in aus, work in aus.
no question about better pay and working environment in aus. you would be doing the same job in kl but definitely not as highly paid as in aus. economy booming, unemployment rate lowest in years. almost all my frens got a job over here after graduation. so just look at the opportunities here now. no joke.
but it's not easy to change whatever you're having now.
decide urself. good luck

Check out this site by Malaysian immigated overseas.

Most people there are in Aus. There are some large threads with much info on migrate, settle, and living in Aus.

Am I the only stoopid fool who gave up the Australian PR of mine?

This post has been edited by tinkerbel: Dec 7 2007, 01:30 PM

how to get australia PR easily?

if you have studied in aus for 2 years min, you can easily qualify, as long as u pass the 120 point mark.
since sept 1 2007, they just made it a wee bit hard, most of the changes are to the IELTS score, in which you have to score at least 7.0 on each component (not 7.0 avg)

not sure about other visa though.
as many would have know, check www.immi.gov.au

sometime; you have to give up those for better good..


wat did you mean? you give up your PR?

yea; true true..
not easy now

Tinkerbel, why gave up and any particular reason ?

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Added on December 7, 2007, 12:40 pmReally, very good website. we just realise eveything is expensive in Aust and everything we earn is just nice for paying with high tax and labour charges. No savings.



This post has been edited by dr_luv: Dec 7 2007, 12:40 PM

actuallly yea in term of general..
but if yu know whr and whr to find cheap goods and do need to pay general price...u willl survive well.
provide u work hard a few years after u come in; im sure you can save..

i got a friend; whose about 30s below ...
he work hard and he can survive with his wife together..
of course u dont come and buy property straight away..
come and adapt and keep learning as wat u did when u just come out from unis ..

@KVReninem,
Yes I gave up my Australian PR - i can still go back to fulfill the 2 Year term but i don't think the time is right, at least not now. My life seems to be happening here in KL so it's a little difficult to just abandon it and start anew again in Australia. Also, if I had left for Australia, I would be struggling having to start my career all over again in Australia - due to *in my opinion* age discrimation so for better or worse, I decided to stay back in KL (it'll be nice if i had another couple of years to decide.. who knows? i might just take up the offer then *grins*)

@dr_luv,
I think the above answers ur question too

IMHO....for god's sake...leave this country before all else comes falling apart!! being a seconded citizen there in australia is better than being a citizen here...we are being exploited in Malaysia

to answer your bad points : -
1. the safety issue happens everywhere. you just need to be alert. but compare bout robery case I think msia is worse coz of u know about currently maybe 1 chinese feed how many XXXXX. 1 day if 1 chinese feed 5 XXXXX u know wat will happen and msia is talking more on kulit-fication and not qualification.
2. that racist thingy only happen in outskirt and not in city. I mean in melbourne sydney goldcoast etc man asians are flooding the area.
3. the tax 40% is if u are earning more than aud 150k per annum.
4. as long as u have a degree your pay won't get 4k. my starting pay is far more than that when I first came here
5. msia is I pay u 1 dollar u do a 10 dollars job. australia is I pay u 1 dollar maybe u do a 2 dollar job. and more time to relax. so if u like rush rush rush type or last minute on fire then msia is still better.

well the only good thing in msia is the damn bloody entertainment and nothing else. in australia entertainment is not that common. msia is hari hari contractor bring me out to u know.. so called "gentleman's club or health centre or overseas trip". so to me I just work in australia for couple of years and then maybe go back msia and continue enjoying my life. if you are young and no family then nothing to lose. but if got family then is hard to say I want to migrate and lets pack and go. I mean just give urself some options and you can only decide where and what kind of life you want. to me I will say entertainment and life comes first and money not an issue to me coz I have no financial problem in msia so I will just go back after I'm bored of here. but well I work in australia 1hr equal I work in msia 1 day if I convert and I can save easily rm8k-10k per month after spending and taxes etc etc. depends on mood of spending on the particular month of course

20k RM can be earned easily in aus, if u have the budget and able to get a decent job in aus, go ahead, u wont need to be working like a slave here, but bare in mind that some aussie are s ho, as well.

Maybe I will do a job transfer since i am in international bank and my spouse in international telco vendor. Let's say I am in Standard Chartered and my spouse is in Ericsson.


Will it be good choice ?

This post has been edited by dr_luv: Dec 10 2007, 06:22 PM

dr luv this of course would be great, the ideal is if you stay in Malaysia and get paid in USD, GBP, Euro etc. Try and get an expat package if at all possible, you get free trips back to Malaysia etc. but unless you're in the oil and gas industry, the expat package is pretty much extinct.

Thanks Tisban. Hmm not really sure if we are qualified for expat package as we still gaining working experiance hitting our 30's soon.

If either one of us get a job transfer than it will be great. Both of our working co has its branch and hq in Aust. Well lets see.

The score of minmum 7.0 in each module for IELTS is not mandatory. Its only special because if you score at least 7 in each module you will qualify for bonus points i.e. 25 points straight away compared to 15 if you just meet the normal requirements. So in short those who are still short of points will benefit from extra points if they do well in ielts

i think so man....


at the rate Msia is going any country is better than Msia...

yeah could be. i dunno. i applied b4 1st sept 2007. does not affect me at all.
but anyhow, if you reach 120 mark, the xtra points from IELTS doesnt make any diff anyway. those who get priority processing are those with xtra points from the MODL list. it would of coz be best if you have a job offer that is on the MODL list. so there as you've said, those that are under 120, do well in IELTS.

Just of of curiousity. How much do I need to pay for applying for Australian PR now? Last time I checked its about 1450AUD

Thank you

i have to admit that country is turning upside down.. but for me, malaysia is a sanctuary.. i can't get better any better food or people in other countries.. i wouldn't leave my family or relatives behind.. anyway decide properly and carefully.. don't end up regretting and burning your RM20k.. maybe u should confirm your work there 1st..

mine was 2010 AUD? something like that

Kikurazz, have you got your PR ?

nope. but i shud have! thanks to the mas gov coz i'm still waiting for my msia police clearance. i applied my clearance in july, it's now dec. How efficient.
that's the only outstanding doc left

I also want to migrate...
Is that very difficult to go through the process ?

Well u must have the followings.

1) degree or above
2) work experiance 3-4 years
3) older u are lesser points
4) good command of english

basic requirement. rest is bonus points eg, australian degree, spouse is qualified. and cost rm 20k

cannot be ar..i applied my PCC during april, and got it around june...

when did you reply? which area r u going to?

btw, which clinic u went for the health check-up?

wish you all the best...

PCC usually takes 2 months in general from my own experience and understanding. so probably kikurazz wasnt so lucky

i was in oz when i applied. so i went thru the mas high commission in canberra.
dunno, i gotta give them a call sooner or later. !@#$

well next time when you are older at 40+ and find your kids not getting what they could have gotten if you ventured overseas you will may think differently.

in my opinion it always best to spend 2-3 years overseas and then decide to come back to Msia if you really miss Msia that much. I find these 2-3 years overseas is pretty golden as on one end you can save money (if u pick the right country) and on the other get some valuable experience which will give you an edge over other ppl in Msia if u do decide to come back.

Folks,

Ok, I am also have another headache which is choosing proper migration agent which also require your expertise advice again.

a) migration agent based in sydney has a office in kl run white australian lawyer.

b) migration agent based in kl has affliated office in melbourne run chinese malaysian lawyers. (could be australian migrant)

c) migration agent based in singapore affliated office in sydney run singaporean lawyer. No KL office.

Any idea whom shall we select if incase we decided to apply ? Any advice based on shall we select the migration agent ?

Regard
dr luv

Choose a migration agent whom you can trust and have confidence in succeeding your visa.

you will waste a lot of time and money couriering documents overseas

This post has been edited by s373n: Jan 20 2008, 09:32 PM

ahh as long as you still young then u may re-apply. I have a client in msia reapplied after he gave up because he never live there. he just made in before age 45. but u apply u never live there then waste money only.

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Added on December 15, 2007, 5:46 pmhonestly speaking these agents all the same. theres no gurantee. as long as u meet the points thats it. you go through agent maybe if you have a big family father mother sisters brothers children etc then you go through the agent to save all ur hassle. because you just go to the immi website see which form u need to fill and then just fill and just attach wats requested thats it. anything less they will contact u via email and request for it. so not to worry

This post has been edited by aurora1128: Dec 15 2007, 05:46 PM

I would choose an agent that can give you the proper service here in KL. Some agents are from Australia and set up an office here in KL manned by an administrator only (and they visit a few times each year). Then there are also Malaysians here in KL who are qualified migration agents and have an office in KL (and perhaps in Australia also). I would prefer someone local so that you can easily reach them if you have any issues.

i would say dump the agent if you can apply urself. 1stly, are u qualified to consider a migration? what type of visa are u getting? coz i have frens over here (oz) that engages an agent and still not able to get a PR & there is no guarantee that u can have ur PR thru an agent. you could seriously save on the agent fee and spend it elsewhere. i dunno. i might be wrong. but i did mine myself using the e-visa online and seems pretty easy. but diff visa differ.

What is the common practice adopted by most people?
1) Obtain a Visa, migrate and look for a job; or
2) Secure a job, work on the Visas later?

Considering the fact that a person needs to resign, move over and look for a job later, it is going to be very risky.. being jobless for god knows how long

If anybody wants to migrate for that reason, please think again or at least seek the opinion of people who actually know.

Someone said above one of Malaysia's good is good choice of entertainment, perhaps this is one of the main reason why we Malaysians so hard to save money here.

Go circle midvalley a round and you found that plenty of your cash just vanished into thin air.

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People will go to wherever that can utilize their skill to the best, or to wherever they feel worthy to stay.

During young, she was rejected for scholarships and medical application due to quota issue. After years of hardwork, now an experienced heart surgeon, she holds a canadian PR, from where she completed her medical degree, has decided to stay in Canada and rejected M'sia gov's call to return and serve in home country.

Another case, being an experienced, capable and young heart surgeon, he rejected offer from several foreign hospital but choose to serve in Malaysia UM for 10+ years as a professor and a heart surgeon in UH before moving to Sunway Medical center, now, he is able to set up his own health screening center.

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With the skills they hold, they are able to go to anywhere of the world with the local authority welcome them with open arms, why did they choose to end up differently?

you could do the 1st choice back in the days where migration rules are not that strict. again, it depends on which visa u are trying to apply.
if you get a job 1st, then it will giv u points which will of coz will help u obtain ur PR more easily. it really depends. but i still think you betta secure a job before u apply ur visa (better if your job is on MODL list)

I'm thinking of submitting an application myself as well (without going through agent). There is one particular thing I found tricky about the application - We have to get "employment reference letter" from all our current and past employers to prove that we're employed, and they may call up these employers to perform verification.

This means that my current employer will be aware of my plans - may jeopardize my career in terms of increment, promotion, etc

Anybody have any experience with this ?

For offshore better to go with agent.

If onshore just do it yourself, I got mine like two weeks.

It's not difficult 2 years ago don't know about now.

You could get a standard employment letter, usually needed if you want to apply for a loan etc. Do not ask your boss, go to HR And you could specifically asked your future employer to verify your current position AFTER they've decided to hire you.

Done that actually from my previous employment .. it is actually a win-win situation. Just tell them and surely, they're willing to listen to you.

I applied my NZ application by myself, total cost is around 10k including all the documents/certification etc for 4 pax in my family. For working experience, I called my ex-employer to ask for reference letter if I lost it. Some employer I still have the offer letter and letter of resignation, and the first payslip and last payslip as the documents. For current company, I used the offer letter and confirmation letter as a proof and told the case officer that I don't wish to let my current company knows about my plan about this migration coz it may jeoperdize my bonus and increament next year, she did accept that.

lots of ducoments to prepared lol

guys.. i am wondering if it is possible to work there without a PR. Anything like working visa or something like that... then apply PR after a few years there?

i think you can get working visa but your employer gotta get it for you... i think you cant get the working visa yourself... because before you get a job, you are not working, so you cant apply for working visa...

anyway... i am working in melbourne for the money and my parents wish... they think like most of you, better future, better environment, better everything...

i think it's good that you are here with ALL YOUR FAMILY, at least your own family if you already have one... your partner and your kids... but for me myself, i am here all alone by myself, with all my family back in KL... that is a hard time here... i have to admit that my working life is pretty good here, and easy life i am having... but... when the people, the place, the food, the familiar everything is just nowhere near me... i still hope that i can go home one day... i think i will be happier eventhough it might be tougher life...

Oh of course unless he/she have a broken family background then that's another thing. And the working attitude and positive problem solving is important, otherwise anywhere else is still the same.

Hi, i am reading this thread during lunch break thus i don't have time to read through all pages.

I have come across to webpage called sponsored skill migration, i suppose u can google this up.
For certain jobs like R&D manager, bioscientist, baker, chef; u can apply this sponsored visa.

of cos it will be tough in the beginning for foreigner to be in a foreign land but soon later u will enjoy the benefits later ...... anyway ericca u coming back for cny ma ......

ericca going back for cny? that's good. i have to work thru cny here
well there's a thing call TR now. check it out at immi website, i'm not that sure though since i heard it from my frens.
it's a tempoarary resident visa, allowing you here for 18 months, then after TR you can apply for your PR. but i'm not sure what the requirements are for TR. again, check it out at immi.

Hi All,

I obtained my PR last year. I am planning to migrate there next year. I believe you should know the reason why you are going to migrate. Malaysia is a nice country but there are many things that made me very disappointed here. I will be going there with my wife, probably have a kid born there.

There are many ways to obtain a PR. Mine is a skilled PR Subclass 136. Unfortunately, it is better to obtain a PR first b4 you go there and work. I am currently seeking for aussie jobs too from Malaysia but it is damn hard for me. I am thinking to job hop to a MNC and probably stay 1 year more then migrate to aust.

Can you guys recommend any recruitment agency or company that have vacancies.
I am with Telco fields, mainly in GSM/3G/HSDPA RF & Optimization.

Thank you.
Rgds,
Gred

malaysia truly asia.

darrenz + kikurazz, yes i am coming back... how good is that when i have to sacrifice my JOB to go back? my leave wasnt approved, so i resigned... but anyway, i dont have the intention to stay in that role anymore...

TR for people outside australia is only for:
This visa is for you if you completed an Engineering degree at a recognised overseas institution in the last two years.

only engineering, last 2 years and a recognised overseas institution listed in http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-ski...nstitutions.htm

gred, try to look on www.seek.com.au, there are many jobs advertised on it and at the same time you can look at what they want and what kinda jobs that you can go for... also, most of the jobs there are advertised by agents, so just grab their details and give them a call!

Doing it for the kids' sake. I dunno in 15 years if they can get into Uni here in Malaysia, or I can afford to send them overseas. So, have to migrate there where edu cost is minimal.

I don't think work is hard to find if you are willing to work hard. Australia is so big and many opportunities - 'level playing field' you know.

Will definitely miss Malaysia, but sacrifice have to be made.

I got 9,9,8,8 for IELTS, is that good? Me alway cakap the manglish u tau

That's a fascinating list of universities where Imperial College, NUS and UiTM are on the same level

I'm happy to see two Malaysian universities there, I wonder if anyone here will take advantage of it. Looks like an excellent opportunity.

hmmm... that sounds very true, if you are migrating for your kids' education, you should... you can save really A LOT~~~!!!

about the "hard working then easy to find a job" i think this saying a bit not working... because how can you tell that you are hard working at the interview? and most of the people will tell you they need a person who has achievements and not working like a cow... most of the people here they start packing at 4.45 then they step out of the office sharp at 5pm... they dont encourage people to work late, because the company will have to pay for your OT or time in lieu, then you get to claim dinner and if you work after 8pm they have to pay for your cab charges... that will cost them even more money!! and the company wants you to have a balance working life, not NO LIFE...


OMG, your english is damn good then!!

my family did it, exactly for the same reason, we did our application oin Aprial 2007 and GUESS What i got our approval letter yesterday 14/02/2008 =)

As of yesterday our family is Australia PR Status - Is hard to start over but for the sake of the children is a very very good & cheap investment.

we are hopping to go in May to start our new life in Australia =)

for those that already been there please share some tips


cheers

Gratz! callforiphone. Well done. Wish you have a good life there...but don't get suprise when you see your first income tax statement hehehe

Congrats... glad to hear that.. all the best

Dear all,

i just some how found this forum from Google...i am actually in the dillemma to decide whether to migrate to Australia or not...i fully agreed to the statement above whether there is really a good place for our next generation but is worrying whether we are able to find a good job over there & abit hard to give up what had built for the last few years...

another advice needed from u guys is whether u know any good agent that can help me the way through...my situation is a little bit diff from u all, i have got my PR approved about 5 years ago, right after i returned to Mal after finishing my degree there..it's now about the time the visa is going to expired (in jun 08)..i have still no spent my 2 years over there...i am now need to seek for advice from expert who can help to extend my visa, i can only able to go over 2 years later due to some personal reason...

anyone can give me some contacts to the expert whom u think may be able to help me?

thanks in advance

For all who is considering migration,

Migrating to another country is a tough thing to do. You'll need to start all over again, it helps if you have friends and family there.

For most people, the full benefits of migration will be felt only by the second generation, i.e. if you migrate, your children will benefit the most. You will have to work very hard to get used to the new environment, culture and build up your foundations in a new nation.

Personally I feel that even though we are seeing a new political era in Malaysia, there are deep uncertainties about the future of this country. Also, based on my personal assessments of Malaysia, I feel that this country has little chance of becoming like Singapore, South Korea, Japan or other European nations, primarily because of a lack of vision but also heavily influenced by other factors.

Australia is a good place to go if you wish to start up a family in a relatively similar environment. Similar at least when compared to mainland Europe or the United States.

However, I feel that Australia as a nation isn't on the cutting edge of stuff. By that I mean Australia to me seems like a little bit of a laid back nation as opposed to nations like European countries (UK included), Japan and United States. Europe, Japan and US is where all the latest and greatest happens in terms of education, technology, finance, politics and almost every other field you can think of, so it's absolutely fantastic to live there if you're into those kinds of stuff, but competition in these nations are incredible and you've got to really work for it or you get left behind.

All in all, I would conclude that Australia is a good choice, certainly much better than Malaysia in the foreseeable future.

(I know, I'm terribly un-patriotic, I'm just being realistic)

This post has been edited by DeniseLau: Mar 19 2008, 06:08 PM

Think about the reasons you're migrating 1st of all .

I've seen many who say they've given up everything here just so that their children's future will be better. Fast foward to the future, the child becomes some lazy bloc who's just happy to pass his Year12.

Staying back in Malaysia dosent disadvantage us in any way. It even builds a competitive spirit if you're really hoping to do your best


(job opportunities are also plentiful in M'sia , tho not as high paying . they give you the chance to be promoted faster (skill worker shortage ) )

hi to all,

this is a very old thread. I have been complaining that everyday to myself that i should not be here. every morning i kept saying this is is not the place i wanna be. And posted one thread here once ago, that kl is not the place that i wanna be. I dont like the hectic life. Yes, there are probelm in other country as well. those guys will look us like we look at indon and bangala...so who cares....

So to all experienced migrators, can you suggest a few local agents to me? Thanks in advance.

I have already done a online assesment with one of the oversea. But freaking expensive bout aud6K. convert and u get around 18k myr...

I want to make changes to my life. I have checked in the jobstreet.com.my against careerone.com. 100 against 1500 for my job. Obviously my job is rare here. I m moving on. and i try to apply for penang job, sorry my job is not required there.......i hv tried for the past one year...i hv put minus 1k to my current pay and stil no interview for me even i lied bout the place i stay(sorry have to) all of u ll understand..

I've been in UK for 3 years & now being back to Malaysia.Just to say i still prefer malaysia. To me, overseas country is not that great as ppl think.

I spend my final year study in Australia. Could have gotten PR if I stay another year doing my Master.

I was in Melbourne that time and I think it is a great place to stay. Nice city, you have chinatown, a greek street, an italian street and etc. Great public transport, you can go anywhere by taking a bus & train. Nice weather too besides the summer. My friends that stay back at Australia are getting at least 60k/year. The tax is around 20%+.

Getting a PR in australia doesn't mean you can't come back to Malaysia. I think to make the PR permanent you just have to stay 2 out of 5years there if i am not wrong.

I spent almost 70% of my adult life overseas and I loved it. I think different people have different preferences.

But I do agree with yieloon up there, having PR does not mean you're cutting off ties with Malaysia. You do have more options however.



This post has been edited by tishaban: Aug 15 2008, 08:34 PM

I'm chinese, non bumi, no degree but diploma. Being developing software for 11 years in Malaysia. Then, go Australia for 3 years until *%^$x@ Microsoft took over! Got retrenched, went back to Malaysia, went jobless for a year by the useless quotas and bumi only vacancies. Being rejected by Malaysian companies because I only have diploma. Most of them prefer degree even from UiTM??. Luckily, a Chicago IT company took me in and spend two years developing aeronautic apps. Now in London, software engineers for robotic company. I don't have any relatives or friends or recommendation when I went to OZ, US or come here to London. Most of them are trust between the companies and their investment in you if they think you're good enough for them, they'll help you all the way from accomodation and work permit but make sure your English and Maths are tough as well.

Any good migration agents to recommend? To Australia...

Big salute.

That's what worry me when thinking of migrating. Any new development in immigration requirement?

hats off to you

Anyone have any new experience to share?

I wish to migrate as well. There are many things here I really do not like. And looking towards Australia... I should have taken an Australian degree instead of a UK one...

Guys, the grass is not always greener on the other side. I was in Aussie before, yes it's a good country but not necessarily better than malaysia in terms of employment. Not many can land a job at reputable companies esp for PR. While there is no racial law as stated by one forumer here, but they definitely prefer whites in general. In Malaysia, I bet you can join reputable companies (except GLCs to some extent) quite easily if you are smart enough (no matter what race are you). The chances to climb a rank is much brighter hence your career development and prospect will be more secured. Look, when I was back here after couple of years experiences in Aussie, immediately I was offered a great role at reputable company. There were many hopping afterwards from one to another and now settling down at MNC with decent position, benefits and salary. Well, I guess experiences in Aussie might help to be where I am today but reflecting about it makes me wonder if I would get the same opportunity if I opted to stay in Aussie. I got one close friend (second generation PR) who couldn't secure a good job even after graduated at good uni, came back to Malaysia and being offered a decent job at Shell. Now after 8 years, he is still here. So, please think wisely before migrating. I would say if you have nothing to lose, then it would be a good experiences to gain while at Aussie but if you have everything to lose, think thoroughly before you give up everything you have built over here. Please note, I'm only discussing and comparing about employment market here ....

When the whites own a company they could not explicitly say that that they will discriminate. They do that by inventing stuff like for oil and gas companies, co-efficent and hiring point as well as cost of living, so even when you make RM20K here which is big for a local, the whites will make 30K USD with all taxes paid by the company. No one is stopping anyone from migrating, but look at it this way, the grass is always greener on the other side. Australian taxes aren't cheap it cost together with their employee's provident fund, as much as 50% of your salary. I should know I'm in charge of the finanicals for the operations in Australia. I'm running in remotely from Malaysia.

You may be a big fish in a small pond over there, but once you're into your 2nd and 3rd generation, they will loose all their hard work, strong will and character. That's when they become australians, americans and brits. Think long term... not short term. If you want to make your money insist on making malaysia your base and travel everywhere. That is what a real good job allows you to do.

This post has been edited by Tfazuin: Nov 11 2010, 09:35 AM