QUOTE(nagflar @ Dec 11 2007, 12:59 PM)
why say so???
Strongbaby Refund Thread., For those looking for refunds.
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QUOTE(heroes99 @ Dec 14 2007, 06:58 AM) Good that he has acknowledge the refund request , do he tell you when he going to refund to you ? anyone else receive anything ? It is very difficult for him to just post here and update the status ? When you already got people into trouble with all those cash , the least you can do it keep people here updated on what is happening , rather just don't bother and reply with arrogant remarks ... In fact I don't have know about the way business run , let the commercial crime unit do that ....I am going over to the Bukit Aman on Monday if this strongbaby still do not response here by then I will lodge a report about this and let police do the job , maybe it will be also help to clear strongbaby name of any foul play ..maybe then we all will know what is really happening You want to mumble, go talk to the wall and mumble, or you can create a new thread to dispute strongbaby. And please, for those looking for refund just do like what This post has been edited by temptation1314: Dec 14 2007, 10:40 AM |
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Dec 14 2007, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE(THT @ Dec 14 2007, 01:02 PM) already 1 week ago , still not any update here ...when can starting get our refund !!! uh THT, I hope you can bear with strongbaby to go thru this or else, your money wont even feel cooler or hotter.latest total refund amt around 55k . my $$$$$ is cooler than water . Sigh ! P/S : I understand, 55k leh. Some people here RM400 already make noise like the whole world going to have WW2. Just call strongbaby to discuss out k? |
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Dec 17 2007, 06:49 AM
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QUOTE(whatcanisay @ Dec 16 2007, 06:35 PM) nope, just a lurker, not related to anybody, no active posting and never buy / sell .. don't bother to investigate, i post because the whole things amazes me You phailed.... Registered yesterday and said something like that.P/S : Don't start posting again before I report this to someone else. |
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Dec 17 2007, 10:04 AM
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temptation1314 === NDSL + R4 Pack === RM450 === RM450 === 17/12/2007 - Emailed to strongbaby
Added on December 17, 2007, 10:21 am QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 17 2007, 09:39 AM) It seems like Heroes99 is doing something that buyers should be doing themselves much much earlier, that is to Well, let's get to the point here. I don't mean to add more fuel to fire.get the police report. And if Heroes99 failed to get the report, he need to shut up instead Strongbaby is making a big mistake by not posting here. Although mass refund will bring down Strongbaby, he still get our support if he post here. Since Strongbaby is not posting here, what do you guys think we should do? Is drastic measure more appropriate? Does some buyer here still feel like protecting strongbaby? Is strongbaby a conman? If strongbaby is not a conman, why he does not bother to post here? heroes99 isn't involved in this case while I'm partly disagree what he is trying to assume. Getting the police report is not the point. The main point here is someone is trying to FORCE strongbaby to squeeze his own juice and refund. 1st, I'm not protecting strongbaby here. I'm protecting both players. Keep on squeezing, lodge report, go court, if only strongbaby was found guilty, he'll be sent to jail. All of us get nothing but air to breath. THT, 20k is not a small amount. I know that you've been ignored but try to bear with us.(I'll try to talk with strongbaby to ask about ur matter when I sms him next time.) And THT again, if strongbaby was jailed because of this, the question latter on will pop, where you gonna squeeze yourself a 20k either for yourself or your customers/friends. 2nd, IF someone assume or said strongbaby is a conmen, I won't stop you from doing so. It's normal when your hard-earn money is on other hands. Besides, strongbaby isn't running from you either, else he won't ask you all to mail him on your refund details. 3rd, I'm not stronbaby sideman nor anything related to him. I'm someone like everyone here, looking to buy a cheap console and now looking for refund as advised by strongbaby. I'm hoping no more flame. Asking is ok but flaming and ranting, you know, it's pointless. Think twice or thrice what I've said, I, myself also patiently wait for it. Infact, I can wait longer if strongbaby able to return to business but with the supplier missing, I have no option to choose than ask refund. This post has been edited by temptation1314: Dec 17 2007, 10:21 AM |
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Dec 17 2007, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(RangerRed @ Dec 17 2007, 10:33 AM) Didnt we first squeeze our own juice to get the money to buy? I think its only fair we return the favour. RangerRed, I have no doubt for a piece of advice from you. I always had you in my respected list.And although a few of them did mention not to say their nicks, quite a few of bulkers in the dispute a few months back r there because SB pulled the same bs on them. N they had to squeeze their own juice to refund the buyers n r still waiting for sb to refund them. So if u think we should not squeeze his juice because of his family n such nonsense then imagine the other bulkers that had to refund because they took him as their supplier? N as for his family, he has only himself to blame for the troubles he created for them. When u play high risks u had better think thrice before commiting... whether it was intentional or not intentional (fraud). I didn't mean to go against it, as what I really want to mentioned out is that the consequences.(below) QUOTE if only strongbaby was found guilty, he'll be sent to jail. All of us get nothing but air to breath. I think this is quite logic. And also prepare for the worst case before this, he run. Stop refunding everyone. So, another story with the same ending, we get nothing but the money goes to thin air. P/S : strongbaby is refunding.... Please start to ease your mind. Added on December 17, 2007, 11:16 am QUOTE(klmc @ Dec 17 2007, 11:02 AM) why is everyone flaming heroes99 - he seems to be pretty pro active. Actually, if he post a little help would do. But he had start to keep posting with FLAME within.Maybe can get input from people here before going half cocked and doing something solo though.... Trust me, not many of us welcome him to post here since from the START, he doesn't even involved in this trade. Another thing is that I'm quite headache, RangerRed had pressed this is REFUND THREAD not DISPUTE THREAD. I don't understand why someone had started to dispute him since he had start to refund everyone here. This post has been edited by temptation1314: Dec 17 2007, 11:16 AM |
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Dec 17 2007, 11:28 AM
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Dec 17 2007, 04:20 PM
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Dammit lar.
Take STAR LRT and ask the guard there. I'm not sure what station is it to stop but It's Ampang line. You can see jusco from the station. |
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Dec 18 2007, 07:24 AM
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So, as expected. Some of them get refund.
Someone *might owe SB an apology and there's another fella who will be sent to *vacation. |
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Dec 18 2007, 07:34 AM
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QUOTE(RangerRed @ Dec 18 2007, 07:28 AM) kengsim u're 65 on the list. Yup, I wouldn't mind if you want to wait. I did not put a hammer justice directly to anyone yet.temptation1314, I wouldn't celebrate yet. Only 4 people said to get refunds, 3 confirmed and 1 can only confirm by lunch today. But after that? We nearly 80 ppl on the list. But there's *someone who are NOT involved should be sent to Year End *Vacation as I have already PRESSED this is REFUND thread and and not a DISPUTE, and that guy had broke into our camp. I'm not sure you did notice or not yet. |
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Dec 18 2007, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(klmc @ Dec 17 2007, 11:20 PM) > SB , please don't ruin the rest of your rep by pissing off everyone. You still have a lot of supporters out there, and if u come out of this well, you might still have a viable business. Everyone who has met you sing your praises so don't spoil your repo unecessarilly.. You guys are good at assuming something.There's 2 option for you guys : 1. Get your money back and don't ask when. Eventually you'll get it. 2. Buy yourself some extra air to breath when SB stop refunding. Well, actually, do you guys really want to know why SB stop 'responding'?? I can take some screenshot on my phone and post up here but I'm not sure SB will allow that. P/S: Even if I had posted out, I believe not all of you could face the fact of who you are. A piece of advice, try to SMS and ask politely and patiently for the reply. Try not to bug too much. Everyone had their own life. SB is borrowing from others to refund you and he had taken responsible on this case himself. Try to look around this corner, how much con case had solved so far and how many of them are bothering to ask you to mail them a refund details. Consider yourself lucky this time. |
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Dec 18 2007, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 18 2007, 09:56 AM) According to advice from temptation1314, he is willing to wait. I guess 1 year or 2 years time is ok for him. But since he is I think you are wrong here.SB supporter, I think he'll get it first. Maybe this week? Then everyone will start to support SB and stop pressuring SB. And the wait will start again. I'm not SB supporter. I had said, I'm protecting both party. Ask RangerRed, I'm not being one sided, but isn't it better to wish for the best rather than, "Ah, kena con edi. Forget it lar, money melayang sudah." Tell me, what you want? A refund straight away? If unable to do it how? Continue rant over here? Lodge police report? I said again, I'm trying to protect both seller and buyer's money here. Added on December 18, 2007, 11:12 am QUOTE(revolution2008 @ Dec 18 2007, 10:43 AM) I see that guy is quite helpful despite he is a bit noisy here but at last he has taken action by going to the police ask for the report Tell me, IN WHAT POSITION you had to stand a chance to post in TOTALLY UNRELATED to you thread?And who are you in the position of requesting suspension over someone? REFUND or DISPUTE bla bla bla.. again it's not in your position to determine the direction of the thread, RRed haven't said anything about the guy yet and you is the one who retort the most. if you can then post the screenshot of the SMS, or people has the right to doubt, speculate or even conclude that SB is a con. Customer always right, and consumers are not obligated in doing charity. Send the same SMS to along and see whether they will sympathy with you or not. Business is business, when involves money, best friends will turn enemy. This post has been edited by temptation1314: Dec 18 2007, 11:12 AM |
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QUOTE(klmc @ Dec 18 2007, 11:51 AM) Hmm you are giving me the impression that we should be rolling over and be eternally grateful that SB is 'thinking' of refunding.. that i should consider my self 'lucky' ? He doles out various sums at his discretion according to whatever system he has devised and we just wait politely? Then do 'kindly' enlighted me, what kind of "avenues" that you "considered"??ATM all we have is SB saying that his supplier ran off and he's trying to borrow money to refund, how true is that - I dont know, but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt, cos of all comments from the people who've met him on how a stand up guy he is.... Like he outlined - we can 1. go to the authorities. ( commercial crime etc etc - how much good thats gonna do is debatable ) 2. civil cases / bankruptcy ( long duration ) BUT theres another way that no one has considered .... if the amount is big ... and if we are willing to take a hit on the amount we get back - there are certain other avenues to do this. |
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QUOTE(klmc @ Dec 18 2007, 12:14 PM) private contractors who collect debts I got no comment. Go ahead if you think you are on the right side.He refunded rangerred and xiong fully? when there's such a long list of people waiting for a refund? And he's short of cash to refund? so what system is he using now ? "Just prepare for the consequences" |
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QUOTE(Austin @ Dec 20 2007, 02:20 AM) He is too busy to count the $$$ most probably (instead of raising fund), but just a suggestion for him (I see he is so "sincere" anyhow, so late already still online suddenly) if he doesn't have much $$$ left for refund, Strongbaby, There is so many loansharks and personal loan from bankers out there, get your loan there to refund these victims. Instead of so free to talk cock here. If you have no guts to borrow, I believe most of the victims here can accompany you to get the loan.... For Victims: Nobody here shall declare how you report at Bukit Aman and what can the police report do, but report to police is a MUST. Do what you shall do. Strongbaby is not supposed to threaten you. And he will have no interest to know about the content written in that piece of paper. Police Report is between you and the PDRM. Afterwards all victims shall have a meet up and then go to Michael Chong @ MCA for appointment. Don't ever let anyone enjoy your hard earned $$ without something in return. As a victim, reporting this case to Polis Di Raja Malaysia is your duty to prevent anymore cyber crimes especially con case. KEEP THE REPORT AND DON'T NEED TO DISCLOSE HERE. YOU NEED IT BEFORE YOU BRING IN TO MASS MEDIA in a group. REFUND VICTIMS NOW is strongbaby's responsibility, VICTIM MIGHT NOT FORGIVE HIM BUT AT LEAST WILL FORGET ABOUT THIS CASE AFTER REFUND MADE. IF strongbaby REFUND VICTIM SELECTIVELY + SLOWLY WITHOUT A DEADLINE IS SIMPLY A JOKE TO BUY YOUR TIME DON'T FALL INTO THIS TRAP. Added on December 20, 2007, 2:33 am Well, finally albie also here, you are right. Still remember me? last time u asked for my help about the PE case. For whatever reason or motive he started all the bulk orders which involved huge amount of advanced payment, IF HE COULDN'T CONVINCE HIMSELF TO INVEST HIS OWN $$$, WHY COULD HE BE SO CONFIDENCE TO INVEST OTHERS' $$$ TO HIS SUPPLIER? WHAT KIND OF SUPPLIER? Ponzi Scheme?? Get $$ from 100 orders and get stock to fulfill 20 orders? And Buy in RM100 sell out RM90? ETA 14 Days just for buying time? There was too many suspicious points in his bulk. IF THE BUSINESS ITSELF is genuine and not a con job, he will have invested his own $$$ to get stock and sell for higher profit margin already. Why bother collecting advanced full payment? If I were doing business which handling huge amount of cash, I also scare man ~ That's not my $$, what if I lost it? LOST RM100K OWN $$$, THAT'S YOUR OWN RM100K AFTER ALL. LOST RM100K OTHERS' $$$, YOUR LOSS WILL BE DOUBLE. Common Sense. His bulk orders were totally out of the common sense in the very first place and still got so many ppl banked in FULL for something risky. I tell you what is more COMMON SENSE. You in no position to accuse someone or anyone in here. QUOTE Strongbaby is not supposed to threaten you. Since when he started to threated us? QUOTE IF HE COULDN'T CONVINCE HIMSELF TO INVEST HIS OWN $$$, WHY COULD HE BE SO CONFIDENCE TO INVEST OTHERS' $$$ TO HIS SUPPLIER? WHAT KIND OF SUPPLIER? QUOTE IF THE BUSINESS ITSELF is genuine and not a con job, he will have invested his own $$$ to get stock and sell for higher profit margin already. Why bother collecting advanced full payment? You create the rules?? And you assuming everyone could fill in the form and money is on the table for you to collect?? Get a bit of common sense. If there's 100k people (for example LYN) borrowing 50k loan and approved without doubt from banks, would you think you have that bank by tomorrow if non-of them could pay back. On other thought, why you don't go scold expanthosethief(sorry bro Now who is more common sense You know what, heroes99 post is kind of invite flame at the very first but later-on, his post are more worthful than yours. *Note : I'm not siding on SB side. I play fair for both. And you know that you yourself are good at assuming and I'm kind of impressed that mod could let someone "non-related" to put up more flame. *RangerRed if you know what I'm trying to explain over here... |
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QUOTE(RangerRed @ Dec 20 2007, 08:37 AM) Just a little note to u all, Austin a trader that has invest 10s of thousands of his own money in one go for certain 'bulks' of his notebooks. His total investment of his own money in his LYN trading over the years far exceeds most of you guys. If everyone had the lucks like Austin, I wouldn't need to sit here working like cow.Heroes99 pm me the list of ppl going with u as group A KL. Group A penang can pm me if they want and we can go together but since I got a refund I can only join you to go to the station but can't add my name to the report. Try again. |
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OK, let's close the fight. I'm wrong.
For flamers, go ahead, flame all you want. I do not know why SB had responded here and had started the refund even thou it's taking a long route and you guys still had the etc etc. flame on the road with mod sleeping under the sewers. |
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Actually I wished to ask, what's with the laptop problem???
I thought you all still can lodge report with the evidence on your own hand itself, or if needed from this forum as well. (I believe se7en will help) Afterall, you guys start from the point where his laptop haven't get remanded yet. Another thing, I think his wife's proposal is quite ok. At least, no one losing over here, rite? If you scare of being "mispromised" again, you can lodge another report. (What's with the trouble if it concern about your money??) With SB in the jail, I can guarantee you might won't get your money back, retract the report, let SB come out and work to repay you back. That's the best solution. Note: For those who think otherwise, think again. Will you get back your money with SB in the jail? I describe some possible outcome if SB in the jail. SB in jail. He will unable to print money for you guys. After jail period, SB could come out legally, and work and all the money went back to his pocket. Leaving you all regretting. His wife? You can't lodge any report against her. She could took off, leaving SB in the jail. His brother, sister? Same thing. So, whose the one losing? I know some of you had lost trust in him, but at least he had the will to refund with updates via SMS or whatsoever. SB is actually finding a business partner recently hoping to regain the lost money and repay you guys ASAP. The part where his wife only recently knew this case, i believe some married man out there should know why.(I haven't married, but soon And lastly, for those who still in angry and wanted SB to go in jail, congratulations. You had done a successful job. Just bear in mind that those money you had lost to make it as a lesson for your life. (And it's not your money only) |
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QUOTE(kengsim @ Jan 14 2008, 02:00 PM) This morning, I was at the Damansara Utama police station to make my report. I was then asked to go to the Puchong Utama station, where they have a commercial crimes division. While I was there, Eunice sent me an update: OK, I believe RETRACTING the report that we had made is NOT a crime. (I don't want to say much word here as I think everyone here should know what I'm talking about)"Hi, its too late already. Its pending court case in melaka. Im in mid of engaging lawyer. D police said by making refund to those made rpt is crime for me too as im disturbing or bribing d witnesses. He also said whether u retract rpt or not also no use cos its police bis. Now u all jst hv to wait to b presented in court as witness d." The IO (Investigating Officer) there also told me that once a criminal case is initiated, the money is considered burnt. In fact, what Eunice did (refunding money) is, like she said, a crime. Those who received the refunds in the past few days better not celebrate, because it's not over. They will be asked to return that money, otherwise they are also in the wrong, for accepting that 'bribe'. Eunice will be asked to reveal who the ppl who have received the 'refund' so there's no escape. As it stands now, this is completely out of our hands. Report or not, the criminal case against strongbaby is gonna go to court. The Puchong police have 2 reports against him and want him transferred to KL for further investigation. In fact, while I was there, the AIO was asked by his superior to call Melaka HQ to request them to send him up. So we can only wait to be called as witnesses in the case against him. 2nd, After case is dropped, it's non-of the business for police to do anything to SB. 3rd, It's NOT a bribe nor anything for SB or his family to "give" back the money to us after the whole case end. Afterall, it's non-of-the-fcking-business for police also. 4th, I don't know much about law. Do correct the above if needed. |
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 14 2008, 03:04 PM) Strongbaby/Huan/Strongbaby's wife should talk with you all in private thread Refer back to pages where I had asked you guys to calm down. But it can't be blame as it's concerning about money plus there's non-related person had involved which is shouldn't be in the first place.or in face to face discussion. I don't know how is the face to face discussion result went. If SB know this will happened, he should struck a deal with the KL Police Reporting Group. To see it end up like this is very unfortunate since SB wife already start wanting to refund. Kengsim is right to say that we're disorganised. We should have been able to file and retract very fast the police report if SB/SB's wife struck a out of court deal with buyer. Added on January 14, 2008, 3:05 pm I do hope this can settle out of court. Because as I remember, some court case is settled out of court. Normally this is civil case. But if criminal case, AG have to proceed to prosecute. 2nd thing, @frags If you think giving out money like this will be a bribe(which I means after SB get out of court with case closed) so, should we categorize your friend as briber when he treat us meal?? I don't think so. There's a single transaction that even ACA couldn't use it as evidence. I hope some of us know what is it and for those who don't know, I beg you not to ask any further until you are being contacted by SB when all this things settle. |
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