Do share the strong heroes u all have play bfr or fight against in "End game".

Strong heroes here ... hard to kill, can kill enemies easily. GODZillA type !!

Here goes my list

Faceless Void
Spectre
Luna Moonfang
Barathum
Panderan Brewmaster
Obsidian Destroyer
Phantom Assasin
Naix




Cheers,
v_viper88

I dun think Panderan Brewmaster can kill people easily in the end game.

basically, any strg or agi hero would be hard to kill end game.. naix would be the king of it..

U forgotten Husker...his a damn strong hero in late late game

You mean carry heroes right? Well,they're quite a number of em,and it depends how farmed up they are by the "late game" stages.


BB b4 the nerf was awesome (not sure bout now)
Silencer
Farmed up Ursa?
Troll Warlord
SF
Necro'lic (once again better b4 the nerf,but watever)

imho doesn't have to be particularly agi and str heroes,certain int heroes with the right monsters can be monsters as well

Pandaren..with Radiance, Burize, Butterfly, Hots, Satanic, Cuirass ..... sure can kill easily kill ..

Alot of heroes with such items can kill pretty easily

and gettin burtize and butterfly for pandaren is pretty stupid since he already have dodge and critical

I think it'll definitely be Faceless Void and if you have the items, you can make any hero "gg" in 5 seconds (timestop)

Hmm.. i hardly see anyone using Husker nowdays in the new version map... not sure how strong is he...

Alot of Gay Luna tho .....


Had a nice game few days ago..


Luna moonfang with Satanic, butterfly, radiance

vs

Spectre with radiance, butterfly, HOT. (Mantle Style) - miss this..


Spectre win...


Cheers,
v_viper88

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Added on November 29, 2007, 5:34 pmYup.. its end game.. just want to see which hero is very strong at end game ... heroes tats is so strong.. can be a MONSTER killer!!! Unstopable!! Enemy see oso scare till run away.. Gang bang oso hard/can't KILL him.



This post has been edited by viper88: Nov 29 2007, 06:32 PM

Luna can have the items but once Mr. Void timestop, he can finish Luna within 5 secs.

The thing about timestop is you can hit your opponent but he can't hit you.

with superior skill it isnt that hard to dodge chrono

It's all about team work and sometimes it's a bit hard to dodge during gang-bang time, stunners that assists, hex/guinsoo, etc.

For the same reason, any hero might easily escape even against the strong luna if they have a dagger.

This is one hero that normally gets banned during competitions.

for me...
faceless void...
MoM plus timestop can pwn hero already.....
but i read some guides, they said they dont suggest Mom....
anyway, does MoM an ideal item for DarkTerror ?

Of course you need MOM and power treads plus a butterfly. The reason is because you want to hit as many times as you can when you timestop.
Also, having MOM alone isn't enough and you need some damage items like battle fury, buriza, etc

no, do NOT get MoM, get a hyperstone instead, from hyper get butter, 2x basher or 2x MKB (depends on the heroes ure up against), heart (a must if u intend to get double/triple kills).

starting of the game, if u have a hard time farming, get Midas ASAP, trust me, its worth it.

Why do you need a heart? Not all hero requires regen items and some are pure full damage, like drow ranger.
Your job is to timestop and hit as many times as you can in 5 secs. If you want to double/triple kill, you need battle fury because it'll splash damage.

According to your setup, you probably won't get to kill anyone during end game because:

1. Hyperstone VS Butterfly - Void is an AG hero and butterfly increases it's attack speed dramatically and provides evasion. How can a hyperstone hit faster than a butterfly?
2. 2x basher - Why would you need basher when you timestop? The other party already stopped and can't move
3. 2x MKB - Why waste on the same item? Might as well get a buriza

You calculate the damage from your items and you probably can't even kill a hero with 2000 hit points in 5 secs (Level 3 timestop)
Anyway, everyone has their own strategies so it's up to that person.

MoM is good on FV,but can backfire if not used properly. (u have low hp,turn it on and if you get focused fire by ranged dudes u fail to chrono,it becomes a problem,for eg)

Butterfly - I always thought u need this (I still do) but after watchin MYM Pride 7 finals,both teams (using FV once each) seemed to use the same build of Wraiths---> Midas--> BoT --->MKB -----> Buriza (can't remember if both reached here)

MKB over Butter as first major item as it's easier to farm I suppose,and if your job is to hit as much as possible during chrono,MKB is a good item.

But I still like butterfly for him

actually depends on situation if you got problem to farm better get mom can help u farm neutral with lifesteal and get some early game kills if u have mom+ few wraith bands

but if u are free farming ... different story

me noob Terror, but i agree with Xonius, heart is a must when end game, since his HP is crap, do u guys pumped any HP early game?bracers, vanguard?

I prefer Yurnero.

He is really strong on the late game.

He alone can kill 2 hero.

Watch out of him during in the forest.

Item match up him:
1. Battle Fury
2. Butterfly
3. Heart
4.MKB (optional)

This will bring u to godlike.

1 more hero is Rikimaru.

I use before him during match up with Luna.

Luna is sentinel, me from Scourge.

Luna item:
1.satanic
2.Butterfly
3.??

Rikimaru:
1.Butterfly
2.MKB
3.2 Bracer.


Rikimaru kill him like hell.
If Luna use ulti, i smoke him.
So the ulti become useless liao.
Is time to kill him from behind.

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Added on November 30, 2007, 11:37 amPls take over Naix from the late game hero.

Now he just a support hero more than a late hero.

This post has been edited by dazzle: Nov 30 2007, 11:37 AM

basically end game hero is all about strenght hero, where mid game is agility

this is more to personally favourite end game hero

Centaur
Axe
Beastmater
Leviathian
Barathum

cheers

This post has been edited by nickisthemost: Nov 30 2007, 12:23 PM

y no1 mentioned PL? one of the gayest hero....

my list will be:
PL
BB
visage

anti mage, troll warlord and terrorblade..

Competition is different sometimes because they want to push and win the fastest they can. Plus, it's all about team work and gang bang. Their hero can always combo; like range heroes can hit from outside the timestop.

MOM is good as not only you can hit faster, you can run faster and there's lifesteal This is one hero that needs full damage, not regen items.

lol'ed at this thread and some comments about sa vs moon moon used ulti liao how u stopped him with smoke?

What items to buy, IMO depends on the game, how much $$$ u got and opponents. Dont always compare MKB wif butterfly or blablabla.

Yeap,agree with you

And I disagree with ppl who say end game is all str. Agi and very certain int heroes can be monsters late game as well. Eg : Necro'lic back when his damage return aura thingie was 28%. Ur whole team could be wipped out for focusing fire on him

Thanks. If AGI hero has the items plus a satanic, they can easily clean sweep.

no need MOM

buy cuirass, deso, butter, burize, battlefury, one thread. enough liao

This setup is not bad but it would depend on the player. If you get MOM, it's a lot cheaper and you can start killing (MOM + Treads + Hammer).
Hyperstone is good too but it doesn't provide lifesteal but nevertheless, why assault?

say easy
but when in game, FV starting will pressure by others
is very hard to farm this kind of item

Dude.. as the title says.. strong end game heroes tat PAWNED ass..
Its not about starting game, farming or harrassing pro heroes...
So dun tell la.. cant farm story here.. or early game tat hero sux etcs...

I've saw a Magnator with BattleFury, Butterfly Satanic, Relic ... ULT and swipe enemies heroes and kill all of them directly..

He is strong and powerful.. kill all of the enemies like taufu oni..


Cheers,
v_viper88

all hero can be strong in late game..of coz it depends on the game..if all max items then i think it should be magnus and troll

Including Goblin Techie?

lol, that hero is created to be sacrifice

naga siren is gay too if u know how to use..can pawn alot of str hero easily..

what item should naga use to own?
manta? battlefury? butterfly? sange and yaisha?

of course..depend on the noobness of the opponents..skadi+guinsoo+bot+dagger then the wont die..hehe

i prefer manta n sny...bf n butter no hp but good for future farming

I dun think Techies is strong in end game.. end games Techies is totally SUX.
He cant kill other strong heroes with his Mines.. when there wards/gem ard.
His dmg is just too low and he becomes food for enemy MONSTER/GODLIKE heroes at end game.

Tats just my opinion.

Naga siren is okla.. acceptable...Net, crits, images attk really pain.. She will rape other heroes like no tomorrow in end game.. lol
Unless other heroes oso very strong with powerful item sure can give good fight.



Cheers,
v_viper88



This post has been edited by viper88: Dec 4 2007, 01:50 PM

you're are wrong my friend about the bolded part , do you know that techies is the strongest defend for the end game hero, cheers

i lol'ed

seriously, u NEED a heart end game, especially when against high hp heroes, and Battle Fury is useless if the other team is a pro, a.k.a they dont stick very close together, i have experimented with alot of builds, and heart is essential!, Void has shitty HP, heart + butter + backtract = GG

and yes, YOU need bashers IF ure against certain heroes (ones that can stun or blink), a.k.a perma basher, its also useful against a pro Troll, dont give him a chance to blind/bash you. MKB because it adds speed, and its chance to do extra damage stacks (read in the dota forums), so u get that extra 100 dmg almost every hit, instead of a critical every 4++ hits.

and again, hyperstone is for the starting of the game, MoM gives u a decent speed boost, yes, but it also increases the damage you take, and with little damage early game...MoM isn't much of a good choice.

lastly, its NOT timestop for god sakes, its Chronosphere!!! get that 5.84c notion out of your head.

It's pretty rare for me to see FV buying heart, seriously i can time stop and have permanent bash futhermore i can run away with second skill, why need heart ? where u can pump better damage with high agility, cheers

its actually depends on the game, if the game have heroes with high damage and hp (and can disable u), u NEED more hp, more so if theyre pros, they will gangbang your ass, with more hp, u survive longer. If its with noobs...well thats a different thing altogether.

there were alot of times (in tournaments) where i survived being gangbanged by 3-5 people, thanks to heart, not to mention getting double kills in the process.

yeah, it depend on the game, cheers

If we're talking about competition then it's a different case. If you're playing with friends ending up buying a heart, you'll probably have problems doing a double kill with the timestop at level 20+

Anyway, there's always a difference in opinion and for that reason, there's always pros and noobs I mean, void can get heart and assault too, nothing wrong since more hp and defence is what that person wants, lol.

Void should aim to do as much dmg as possible while Chrono is up,don't think heart particularly helps.Plus having butter + backtrack is pretty crazy itself. And having hp for survival is one method,but I think void should be the kinda hero who kills really fast for survival.
Bashing doesn't stack additively,I think increasing speed to get perma bash is more commonly done.

Its actually depends on enemy heroes lineup..
If facing alot of nukers range heroes.. FV will definitely need some hp to survive..

Coz most of the time FV can chronos about 2 heroes but the other 3 heroes outside (if range) can kill FV faster before FV can kill those 2 enemy heroes inside the bubble)

If FV vs enemy hero which got dmg return dmg like Spectre, Visage..NA.. FV oso need some HP oso... if not.. he bash himself to death.

I likes FV...he is a strong end game hero in end game.. HP high at end game also is a plus point.

Spectre oso my fav... her Dispersion is greater than FV Backtracks.. it can avoid dmg and disperse it back to the enemy..
With mantle style, ult... radiance , Burize, Butterfly, HOT, treads.. she is a scary hero at end game..

Cheers,
v_viper88

Most damage output while chrono is up = Dagon 800! + normal hit you could actually hit up to 1.2-1.5k worth of damage.. WoW! if they still dont die.. Timewalk and dagon again... another extra 800 ftw! Faceless Void for the win!.. or we could actually go for refresher and timestop twice + dagon twice... wohooO!! dps ftw

I have the same understanding and agree on this.

Why bother about longer hit points because if we have full damage items, we can already kill 2-3 easily during the chrono. Can the remaining 2-3 enemy heroes kill FV after the chrono when we have time walk and another 4 team members around?

Unless we're talking about 1 VS 3 then maybe it makes some sense to get a heart.
If FV doesn't have enough damage, it's a total waste to chrono because:

1. You can't kill the enemy and after that, you'll get killed despite having a heart.
2. You're not a killer and not even a tanker. So what is FV with such setup?

Again, competition tactics is different from our daily play with friends.

huskar with 1 assault cuirass,1 battlefly,3 heart of tarassque and 1 armlet of mogewrjytjvw

If ur FV only Max dmg item without HP/Life steal item and go against dmg return heroes like Centaur, NA, Spectre which have good decent HP items, you will be killing urself instead.

Even Luna Moonfang crazy ult on Spectre with good HP in close range oso luna will die.. coz all her damage is disperse back to herself.

Yeah.. at end game.. most range heroes item oso have crazy dmg ... POTm, razor .. will kill FV very fast when on the FRENZY or with IAS item butterfly Maelstom, radiance.. etcs.. When FV chronos n try to kill enemy inside.. Razor, potm from outside can kill FV even much faster.

At end game, strong hero will definitely need some lifesteal/hp items, disabler item + all the fuking gay dmg item he can get hold on to be a MONSTER killer.

Cheers,
v_viper88

The best thing is to try it ourselves I've tried it before and if I chrono Spectre or NA, I guarantee they'll be gone in 5 secs with the set of damage items. If both of them are in the chrono, better still - double kill.

Btw, FV is one of my favourite heroes.

hahahaha sure La FV!!!!!!!!!
1 Ulti Triple Kill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

luna. u just got to agree with it.

Hmm.. how can i miss this Hero.. The Wolf Man..

Nowdays.. seldom c ppl use him liao..

Cheers,
v_viper88

ei??? no 1 like magnataur?? he can use ulti suck all ppl in with empower n 2 bf, 1 burize, cuirass, any shoe, heart or refresher i dun care... can kill those not even capable of moving in just a few seconds.. not aiming hero aiming creep for cleaving bonus dmg
dun talk about how to counter this hero i just stat that he can be end hero game also

that one is good for 1v5 but 1v1 weak

I vote for Troll, one of the scariest end game hero. Items>Satanic, Basher X 2, Divine Rapier, Assault Curiass, Boots Of Travell ..

i vote for lord avurnus with 1 assault 1 baterfly and 4 divine rapier he can very strong

1v5 already geng but why 1v1 weak??? ur calculation abit wrong ady

My Ending hero

1 vs 1 is weak because he tried it before and he got pwned.

no its because magnataur speciality is cleaving and cleaving doesnt work in 1v1

I've have seen troll with basher VS highly buff str hero but he can't move at all

harbinger late game with couple of scepter is freaky
can go up to 300+ dmg if pumped with mana items
plz don't let harbinger farm early game or else it gonna
haunt u guys late game

wait??? which 1?? doom? or the fat guy wit 4 legs?

for me i think faceless void shld be the strongest hero in late game
mask+thread+2Xbfly+mkb+burize or mkb = GG

faceless.....
an ideal item that i get is...
powerthreads...
butterfly...
2 cranium basher...
Mask of Madness...

2 basher is kinda waste of money for my opinion
i rather have a mkb

yes 2 basher is waste of money but only with 4 basher it wotn be waste

thats y when u play fv u must buy 4 basher 1 mom and 1 battelfury

hmmm, thanks for ur opinion

wah 4 basher arr....try use FV using ur items first...
would like to see too...later jadi permament bash...lolx

tested wit luna (1v1)
u lose jor .....
if luna buy sata + butter + radiance + power tread + manta
main piont u lose is bcouse void tak ada Bfury...........

pro talk liao, lol

may i know y void will lose??
bfury quite useless i rather change it to mkb or bfly
backstab luna wif 1st skill+ulti enuf luna to gg already plus luna hav no chance to use any skill or attack due high bash n mkb
plus luna hav high chance to miss on attack (2xbfly+void 25% eva almost 60%++ evasion)

This post has been edited by Irishcoffee: Dec 18 2007, 12:58 AM

Hey, troll is the best late game hero la..

For troll i buy thread+butterfly+mkb+basher=gg void. Once i blind, in 1v1 situation, u see who lose?

i agree a bit n a bit on both heros, just see who bash who 1st, if void bash constently luna no time to activate ulti, but if luna activate 1st void lose..

agree for sure if 1 on 1

Agree with XFX , Jah'rakal is the STRONGEST hero.

Level 4 - Bash has a 10% chance to deal 50 bonus damage and stun for 2 seconds and moves faster.
Level 4 - Misses on 42% of attacks.
Level 4 - Increases attack speed by 30%
Level 3 - Increases attack speed by 120% and movement speed by 11%.

Known as "Blinding Axe" in troll tongue, both for the blinding speed of his axes and his trademark blind technique, his unstoppable rampages have already made him a legend among his Allies. However Jah'rakal fights not for the Sentinel, or even to defend the Ancients, but to show Elves, Men, Orcs and anyone else that trolls are the best fighters in the world.


No need talk about items, just see the skill, all fighting SKILL. Jah'rakal the best fighter. !!!!

backstab luna ? no on ulti ?
void lagi cepat mati...............
luna on manta, on sata then on ulti let void know which 1 is true hero.
so void confirm aim the true hero
then luna image sure survive.(tat why bfury is needed)
then sure is 3v1
summore void eat 4 ulti, each ulti stop void each attack.
bfury oso is the good item for void farm easily.



if backstab luna and on ulti, this 1 still hav SOME chance to pawn luna if can perma bash
but u say void wit mkb, then cant perma bash .
tat mean luna still can use manta sata n ulti to counterr back

2 kids still fighting infront of a men (Jah'rakal)? Enough already!

hey bro i said on ulti of course
6 seconds nt enuf to send luna back to fountain of health??

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Added on December 18, 2007, 4:26 pmok troll is strong but depend on item void hav chance to win esp late game void with high dmg item
void can kill troll with his ulti (6 second timestop)(with void ulti i think troll nvr hav any chance to use all 4 skill u mention)
btw if troll nt die in void ulti then troll hav chance to win

This post has been edited by Irishcoffee: Dec 18 2007, 04:26 PM

i think you have made a mistake. No strong, is the STRONGEST!.

Secondly, if you say depend on items, then you better say depend of farming skill and bla bla bla. But your hero is not farming hero woh! Wait you get the items, do i need to wait until lvl 50? Futhermore, if you just now you talking about FV vs Moon depend on items, then you already LOSE! Coz MoonFang it the noobest hero, kill her how many times, still can buy the ideal items.
So, dont talk so long long story, you think is Wawasan 2020 meh?

3rd, regarded your ulti, you dont give me blind you before your ulti launch? Miss miss miss, oh no 45% miss (not including butterfly yet). Let assume your ulti is the best lah, it's you cant kill me if you dont have ulti? it's you need to run when you saw me at the forest if you dont have ulti? it's you need to wait until the ulti finish loop time then only come to fight with TROll?

How many game that you have been experience where Jah'rakal vs. Faceless Void?

Yeah...... trolls are the best fighters in the world. This is his history, his journey and his Fate!

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Added on December 18, 2007, 4:26 pm
ok troll is strong but depend on item void hav chance to win esp late game void with high dmg item
void can kill troll with his ulti (6 second timestop)(with void ulti i think troll nvr hav any chance to use all 4 skill u mention)
btw if troll nt die in void ulti then troll hav chance to win

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If troll blinds FV before FV ulti... then FV ulti oso no use... FV attacks misses like hell... BTW, FV ulti reduce from 6 secs to 5 secs in 6.49b.

However, both troll and FV have pros and cons la... FV can fly whenever he is in danger, troll cant fly

Troll have better move speed but FV dun have..

Forgot to mention Anti-Mage is a perma basher oso.

Conclusion: If FV, Troll or AM all have same items, Troll wins.. Tested in AP game with the pros.

Forget to let you know the Blind skill is

Misses on 42% of attacks,
Cooldown: 8 seconds,
20 mana, 8 sec cooldown.

Anytime Anyway.

haha, me and roticanai05 are troll's supporter.. shall we open a thread?

yayaya...

But i seldom use Troll already. Normally use Pro hero (which hard and people dont want use).


Woh, Chronosphere very powerfull, dont play play.

Level 3 - 5 Seconds.
Level 3: 200 mana, 165 sec cooldown.

btw how u blind FV???FV fly in n ulti u hav no chance to blind FV then
backstab need some skill (backstab = attack enemy when u gt avantage) (plus FV hav chance to eva magic too)
of course depend on item something like OD vs FV
OD own 6 scepter n FV muz hav 6 scepter????no way man diff hero diff item
plus u said FV gt no ulti due CD , how abt troll??troll ulti no need CD???
n farming is depend on the player not hero

This post has been edited by Irishcoffee: Dec 18 2007, 05:44 PM

fv fly in < blink dodge

so many noob talk....all item like this....cincai also can win all these good heroes la...
all also basher la....butter la...pomplek la u all....
ts cannot make guinsoo 1 meh???? troll cant make guinsoo 1 meh????
u all make i tem like this gg anytime lo...all say till full item....i let u farm also u wont get 6 item la....zzz noobz

1v1...i tell u all fv,luna,spectre.....especially troll(easiest).
i use 1 rasta sau lei phei...item 1 guinsoo and 1 scepter enuf liao...if got refresher hahhaha...i also dunno wanna laugh how long....
also max 3 item nia...no need say till 6 item..

the 4 times critical lady also never mention....u say la u all.....konon dota player....zzzz

yarh my huskar wanna know y he's strong in late game?
ulti counts on percentage 40%

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Added on December 19, 2007, 7:28 amso doesnt matter if ur hp is 1000000000000 it will still do damage 40% of the foe's hp

This post has been edited by lightonokira: Dec 19 2007, 07:28 AM

Hello Mr Samsung san, i understand your concern, but please understand the topic 1st before say people noob or give any opinion. The topic is the strongest end game hero. What you mean 3 items, 6 items? What a funny guy you are! Futhermore, i dont agree your Rasta since 1 bkb or linken already counter your spell.

For Irishcoffee,
Ya, i also understand your concern too. Backstab, FV ulti, OD with 6 scepter or you can say lina with scepter and dagon lvl 5, but does't it mean the strongest end game hero?

As you notice, the flow of the discussion is until 1v1 without retreat or backstab. My opinion is very direct and not subjective where many assumption is make. If you say items, timing, player, pc, tmnet line, environment and etc, then the topic will never end. So, the host of this topic is making fool on us, where he didn't clarified what the strongest end hero mean.

Just a simple example, i buy guinsoo, you buy guinsoo. Then, you can say you hex me before i did. Or use dagger or invi when in danger, then turn back when the environment is in advantage. All depend how you all interpreate and explain. Do backstab or running when your hero is in danger is consider the strongest hero? If yes, i also dont know whos the strongest hero in DOTA since all is very subjective. Maybe that day you didn't pray any AngKong also can count in.

If melle hero, Centaur can counter them easy.... with Damage return skill and return damage Item.. Cheap and ez

there is no absolute thing about strongest hero lar my fren strong yes strongest nah.... depends on item build and players and lil bit of luck, troll can't even touch riki, nyek nyek nyek oh i'm talkin about early game, no early game no end game, cheers