TeckPeow,I assume you're trying to say that Blizzard is supporting Dota because they maintain the map editor?

Well,you have to get your facts right as well,they don't maintain the map editor because of Dota.

And that was not the kinda support we were discussing in the first place.

Ok, I won't comment on why DotA is being marginalized in tournaments and whatnot (Mostly because I don't care).

But, I had to come in for this:
This is the single most dumbest thing I've heard come out of your mouth (yet). Go read up the definition of "map".

CS is not a map, is a game
Warcraft main game is those strategy game

A malaysian saying that DotA is as mainstream and popular in other part of the world as it is in Malaysia is like a Korean saying that sc is the most popular esports in the world.

I dont mind if DotA made into WCG. But if it is at the expense of less popular game in Malaysia like Starcraft, in the name of Khala, ill bring parang with me to WCG next year. Ill cut those dotards head and present it to the conclave.

From xfire.com:

Somehow I get the feeling ts will start to hallucinate about number of dota players since wc3:ft is listed.

Haha don't wry,SC has been there since the beginning of WCG right up to the present one. But yea,I'll join in on ur parang fest should somethin like that happen

Well to be fair, it started out as a mod and when WCG adopted it, it was still just a mod.

So, assuming TeokPeow meant "mod" instead of "map", I will say that CS is the exception to the rule since how many mods out there are being used in international tourneys?

Correct me if I'm wrong,but I believe Valve announced that they were cooperating with the CS developers in year 2000,and the first WCG was in 2001.

ZOMG ZERG RUSH.

yea 30-50k wow, now where u get the statistic? and 30k-50k compare to other mainstream games? peanuts.


counterstrike was a mod, but whole team got valve'd and its now a game by itself

oh and ah its my bad sorry, cs is a mod, dota aint, its a custom map.
* oh and dun get me wrong, i seriously played dota - years ago when even the dota itself is not well known yet.

This post has been edited by Christopher_LKL: Nov 26 2007, 12:36 PM

Well, that doesn't really change the fact that its a mod. Hell, even when it was released as a standalone game, it still was a mod for Half-Life (Its basically a mod sitting on top of a stripped down Half-Life that had no single player content). Anyway, it always had the community backing it up rather developer support that made it become an entry in WCG.

And this further bolsters the point that it is just an exception to the rule that mods don't do well in international tourneys.


Also, I'd like to say that a mod is no less of a game just because its a mod. Whether its getting official support from the devs or not. DotA IS a mod and anyone who just calls it a "map" is either incredibly ignorant or arrogant. Calling it a map is like saying "de_dust is just a map". You're selling it awfully short.

nono, zealot rush... parang you see?

well the things that i know is that not many CC can survive without Dota seriously, im talking about these really famous CC around Klang Valley area, cheers

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Added on November 26, 2007, 1:23 pmhey that's just your opinion, pls don't force everyone in the community to accept it, you had to respect other's opinion too.

This post has been edited by nickisthemost: Nov 26 2007, 01:23 PM

OffTopic : While playin SC with a noob friend,he once shouted "Help,alot of zergs in my base". Another friend of mine sent some reinforcements only to find zealots there


I'm not saying Dota is a map from an arrogant perspective.I'm just stating the fact that it has only one map and is probably another reason why "dota is marginalized" as per topic.
I play Dota casually myself

hahahah i have to agree with H@H@ on this, this is epic... hahaha...

well from what i know, Dota is a mod alright, most WC3 mods comes in the form of "custom map" that allows the creator to impose special rules of the map. well if you consider all the special rules and stuff for it to be a game, it is a game of its own.

well CS has many maps, mister TeckPeow.... it's also a mod, just that it's made "official" by a distributor.
Dota isnt official, coz there isnt a need to. that marks the difference.
maybe you'd even make some arguements on that one, but think about this:
if blizzard decides OFFICIALLY supporting Dota and OFFICIALLY merchandise Dota, would you still support it in the way you are now, if you have to PAY to BUY and play an OFFICIAL Dota and continue your support for it to make it an OFFICIAL game in tourneys?

i'm not shooting dota, i'm just pointing it out.
i hope it makes sense since my english is kinda bad.

just my 2 cents =)

This post has been edited by MasterAlvin: Nov 26 2007, 02:34 PM

Hmmm, you bring an interesting point to the table:

What if Blizzard scooped up the rights for DotA, developed it internally with its full range of AAA talent; so that it will have custom models, animations and spell effects and finally have the polish and support of a full fledged game, but this will be sold as a whole new game. If you want an example, I can say Garry's Mod and that actually did quite well.

Would the current "die hard" crowd still support it?

well i stopped playing Garry's mod after they made it cost-money-to-play.

how about you?

I thought you could still use GM 9? Only 10+ was p2p?

Anyway, from user reviews, it seems its definitely worth the money if you're serious into doing some modding work using GM.

Let go of that MOD or map issue. It's all about whether u support tat game or not. More and more high level clan asking for dota to be included in High lvl competitions. And Dota did included in some High lvl tournaments. But not WCG thats all. What we believe is if we being supportive enough then Dota will success so whether its just a map/mod or with/without developers it is not that important. If we r not supportive, not matter what game its, it will be useless.

no comment. dota will live as long as there are gamers playing it. bring ur parangs or whateva to wcg next year if dota in featured and sc is not. this is a country with law. lol.