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 Is DotA being marginalised?, Yes or No?

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TSTeckPeow
post Nov 25 2007, 04:47 AM, updated 18y ago

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Have u guys noticed, most of the major tournaments nowadays like World GameMaster Tournament (WGT), World Cyber Games 2007 (WCG) turn down DotA even though DotA has larger communities than most of the games in their game list. As a result, most of the pro DotA players do not have the chance to participate in these big events It also affected many DotA fans because they missed the opportunity to watch their favourite game being played in these events.

Just a quick question for you guys, Is DotA being marginalised? Yes or No?

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post Nov 25 2007, 04:51 AM

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No... First!!! In Ngr 9 ... everywhere was dota freak and supporters... all cc with at least dota !!!
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post Nov 25 2007, 04:55 AM

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QUOTE(ukiya @ Nov 25 2007, 04:51 AM)
No... First!!! In Ngr 9 ... everywhere was dota freak and supporters... all cc with at least dota !!!
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No no... I mean those major tournaments like WCG which is considered as world class... not the minor tournaments in cybercafe...


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hahah... den i m not sure d la ... but somhow ... even in small town ... dota can hear from anywhere !!!
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post Nov 25 2007, 05:08 AM

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yah .even kampung area , just quick it. it's great game but it's very very addictive. my friend had play it for 8 year non stop and he's telling me he deleted the game =.='
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lol 8 years non stop?
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post Nov 25 2007, 07:46 AM

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8 years..?

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me also 2 years.. brows.gif
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cos..

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post Nov 25 2007, 08:20 AM

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dota is NEVER a game by itself, it just a mod and its NOT supported by ANY game developers, so its definitely unable to become a MAJOR game in thise bigger games list, and how u define bota has more players? WCG aint created just for players in malaysia and singapore. and i can tell u that the "other games" u talking about have much much much much larger communities in the WORLD.
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post Nov 25 2007, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(Christopher_LKL @ Nov 25 2007, 08:20 AM)
dota is NEVER a game by itself, it just a mod and its NOT supported by ANY game developers, so its definitely unable to become a MAJOR game in thise bigger games list, and how u define bota has more players? WCG aint created just for players in malaysia and singapore. and i can tell u that the "other games" u talking about have much much much much larger communities in the WORLD.
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do u know at non peak time in ggc alone there are normally around 30k-50k people are playing at the same time in ggc alone around the whole world

not included zion.hamachi,battlenet,blu3server,indonesian private servers,thailand private servers,russian private servers,lan games,

well alot dota haters think dota is only famous in malaysia and singapore but they should do more research because dota is also famous at alot other places such as phillipine,russia,germany,vietnam,china,australia,new zealand

recently the gaming community gotfrag also have added their own section for dota which means dota is getting more acceptable in pro gaming scene
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post Nov 25 2007, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(Christopher_LKL @ Nov 25 2007, 08:20 AM)
dota is NEVER a game by itself, it just a mod and its NOT supported by ANY game developers, so its definitely unable to become a MAJOR game in thise bigger games list, and how u define bota has more players? WCG aint created just for players in malaysia and singapore. and i can tell u that the "other games" u talking about have much much much much larger communities in the WORLD.
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hmm? counterstrike is a mod as well and it has been featured in most major tournaments worldwide whistling.gif
maybe the tournament organizers have their own criterion a game must meet before it can be implemented in major tournaments hmm.gif
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post Nov 25 2007, 02:40 PM

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dota never made it in those big competition because blizzard does not show support and approval of the game. Since it over-shadowed the original Warcraft 3 itself. You go outside see all those little kids playing dota doesn't even know what the hell is Warcraft 3

Unlike Blizzard, Valve actually supported and help market the HL mod as part of their product, so CS made it in to those competition because they got support from the original game creator Valve.

This post has been edited by SoLiD: Nov 25 2007, 02:43 PM
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post Nov 25 2007, 03:17 PM

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sleep.gif another never ending topic
http://www.gotfrag.com/ to see which game has the biggest community.
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post Nov 25 2007, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Flizzardo @ Nov 25 2007, 01:26 PM)
do u know at non peak time in ggc alone there are normally around 30k-50k people are playing at the same time in ggc alone around the whole world

not included zion.hamachi,battlenet,blu3server,indonesian private servers,thailand private servers,russian private servers,lan games,

well alot dota haters think dota is only famous in malaysia and singapore but they should do more research because dota is also famous at alot other places such as phillipine,russia,germany,vietnam,china,australia,new zealand

recently the gaming community gotfrag also have added their own section for dota which means dota is getting more acceptable in pro gaming scene
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To think that the 30-50k people in ggc are playing dota, that is so wrong. The fact is majority people in ggc are from china, they play Nobunaga's ambition (i'm playing this) and Sanguomosou more than dota. The rest of the servers are appeal to people where piracy is in easy reach. dota enjoy popularity in other countries doesn't mean it is the mainstream game unlike the situation in msia, sg and phils. In their perception, dota is just a past time game. The thing is international competition organizer do hear cries for dota but the numbers is very regional. If dotaAS is approved, dota chaos, nobunaga, sanguo and other regional popularity games has to be in the pro gaming scene too.
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post Nov 25 2007, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(Flizzardo @ Nov 25 2007, 01:26 PM)
do u know at non peak time in ggc alone there are normally around 30k-50k people are playing at the same time in ggc alone around the whole world

not included zion.hamachi,battlenet,blu3server,indonesian private servers,thailand private servers,russian private servers,lan games,

well alot dota haters think dota is only famous in malaysia and singapore but they should do more research because dota is also famous at alot other places such as phillipine,russia,germany,vietnam,china,australia,new zealand

recently the gaming community gotfrag also have added their own section for dota which means dota is getting more acceptable in pro gaming scene
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try to reach 1 billion playing minutes a month that cs1.6 gets....
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post Nov 25 2007, 07:06 PM

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In no particular order :-

1.The lack of support by a major game developers.

2.Length. Dota games these days last somewhere within the hour,which is still considered pretty long unlike other games which are generally divided into rounds etc. Plus early game is usually dull and revolves around farming (though there are major teams who gank real early) which further derails spectator value.

3.It's still an evolving game. Other games,despite patches,dont evolve so much,u generally get fixes and minor add ons if any. So argue as much as you want,dota is not particularly the world's most balanced game =p Despite the 89 heroes, (minus the new ones which are not used in league modes) you still see teams generally opting for certain "powerhouse" heroes to be amongst their lineup.

4.Dota is a map (which isn't necessarily bad,but ppl would argue that it lacks variety in terms of map adaption)


Casual play and competitive play are 2 very different things.Just because we enjoy the game,it doesn't mean it'll be a good competitive one.But I do think that dota has the potential to make it,probably in due time.And that sums up my random thoughts laugh.gif
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post Nov 25 2007, 07:35 PM

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[quote=ellimist,Nov 25 2007, 07:06 PM]In no particular order :-

1.The lack of support by a major game developers.

Blizzard still actively maintains the map editior

2.Length. Dota games these days last somewhere within the hour,which is still considered pretty long unlike other games which are generally divided into rounds etc. Plus early game is usually dull and revolves around farming (though there are major teams who gank real early) which further derails spectator value.

Some other games also take forever to finish

3.It's still an evolving game. Other games,despite patches,dont evolve so much,u generally get fixes and minor add ons if any. So argue as much as you want,dota is not particularly the world's most balanced game =p Despite the 89 heroes, (minus the new ones which are not used in league modes) you still see teams generally opting for certain "powerhouse" heroes to be amongst their lineup.

No, DotA is balanced. Learn to play

4.Dota is a map (which isn't necessarily bad,but ppl would argue that it lacks variety in terms of map adaption)
Casual play and competitive play are 2 very different things.Just because we enjoy the game,it doesn't mean it'll be a good competitive one.But I do think that dota has the potential to make it,probably in due time.And that sums up my random thoughts laugh.gif

CS is also a map yet its in WCG for so many years.






This post has been edited by TeckPeow: Nov 25 2007, 07:37 PM
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post Nov 25 2007, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(TeckPeow @ Nov 25 2007, 07:35 PM)
Blizzard still actively maintains the map editior

Some other games also take forever to finish

No, DotA is balanced. Learn to play

CS is also a map yet its in WCG for so many years.
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1.You might as well comment on how Blizzard has included dota in the Blizzcon.But I was referrin to support as in how Valve "supports" CS

2.Main games which are featured in worldwide tourneys dont. There's a reason why changes such as no regen on towers, ward costs, aegis changes etc were made. But admitedly,the whole long farming in lane is evolving to quick ganks. Virtus.Pro is the best example of this.

3.Lol you don't seem particularly opened to comments do you.It's balanced,but not superbly balanced as some games are *cough starcraft*.If it were,you wouldn't have needed major nerfs on Bristleback and Akasha (and even Obsidian's ulti) to name a few.Top teams in the Dota scene comment on this issue now and then which is simply the fact that it is decently balanced,but still evolving. Besides,I was also pointing the fact that in competitive play,despite having 80+ heroes,around 20 or so heroes are generally chosen (and I quote MYM|Merlini for this point,since I have no credibility myself)

4.CS has multiple maps mind you.Dota has one

Don't get me wrong,I'm not shooting Dota down.I'm just pointing out the reasons why u still don't see it in major tourneys

This post has been edited by ellimist: Nov 25 2007, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE(TeckPeow @ Nov 25 2007, 07:35 PM)

Blizzard still actively maintains the map editior

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post Nov 25 2007, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(befitozi @ Nov 25 2007, 08:18 PM)
Are you stupid or what sweat.gif
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Changes for world editor made by Blizzard a few patches ago....get the fact before calling someone stupid...



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post Nov 25 2007, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(TeckPeow @ Nov 25 2007, 08:45 PM)
Changes for world editor made by Blizzard a few patches ago....get the fact before calling someone stupid...
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Yes and what does that gotta do with dota ??

They update the world editor not dota it self

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