In no particular order :-

1.The lack of support by a major game developers.

2.Length. Dota games these days last somewhere within the hour,which is still considered pretty long unlike other games which are generally divided into rounds etc. Plus early game is usually dull and revolves around farming (though there are major teams who gank real early) which further derails spectator value.

3.It's still an evolving game. Other games,despite patches,dont evolve so much,u generally get fixes and minor add ons if any. So argue as much as you want,dota is not particularly the world's most balanced game =p Despite the 89 heroes, (minus the new ones which are not used in league modes) you still see teams generally opting for certain "powerhouse" heroes to be amongst their lineup.

4.Dota is a map (which isn't necessarily bad,but ppl would argue that it lacks variety in terms of map adaption)


Casual play and competitive play are 2 very different things.Just because we enjoy the game,it doesn't mean it'll be a good competitive one.But I do think that dota has the potential to make it,probably in due time.And that sums up my random thoughts

1.You might as well comment on how Blizzard has included dota in the Blizzcon.But I was referrin to support as in how Valve "supports" CS

2.Main games which are featured in worldwide tourneys dont. There's a reason why changes such as no regen on towers, ward costs, aegis changes etc were made. But admitedly,the whole long farming in lane is evolving to quick ganks. Virtus.Pro is the best example of this.

3.Lol you don't seem particularly opened to comments do you.It's balanced,but not superbly balanced as some games are *cough starcraft*.If it were,you wouldn't have needed major nerfs on Bristleback and Akasha (and even Obsidian's ulti) to name a few.Top teams in the Dota scene comment on this issue now and then which is simply the fact that it is decently balanced,but still evolving. Besides,I was also pointing the fact that in competitive play,despite having 80+ heroes,around 20 or so heroes are generally chosen (and I quote MYM|Merlini for this point,since I have no credibility myself)

4.CS has multiple maps mind you.Dota has one

Don't get me wrong,I'm not shooting Dota down.I'm just pointing out the reasons why u still don't see it in major tourneys

This post has been edited by ellimist: Nov 25 2007, 08:05 PM

TeckPeow,I assume you're trying to say that Blizzard is supporting Dota because they maintain the map editor?

Well,you have to get your facts right as well,they don't maintain the map editor because of Dota.

And that was not the kinda support we were discussing in the first place.

Haha don't wry,SC has been there since the beginning of WCG right up to the present one. But yea,I'll join in on ur parang fest should somethin like that happen

Correct me if I'm wrong,but I believe Valve announced that they were cooperating with the CS developers in year 2000,and the first WCG was in 2001.

OffTopic : While playin SC with a noob friend,he once shouted "Help,alot of zergs in my base". Another friend of mine sent some reinforcements only to find zealots there


I'm not saying Dota is a map from an arrogant perspective.I'm just stating the fact that it has only one map and is probably another reason why "dota is marginalized" as per topic.
I play Dota casually myself

Who in this thread has mentioned a hate for Dota? =.=

Cannot focus,as usual.Happens every sem

Oh ok,lol

I agree with this. The lack of spectator value is actually partially due to the length of the game (for an e-sport,it's considered pretty long atm) I also think your comparison is pretty; (though baseball is not boring ) ppl without a proper understanding of the technical side of the game or interest in the game itself won't get the game when viewed from spectator mode.

@Master Alvin : Watching it from a spectator mode isn't too boring if you like out for map control,teamwork in ganks and what nots,but yea,it's like watching baseball

Actually, engagements are more frequent in Dota games these days,I think Watch Virtus.Pro replays,especially the 2nd game in the finals of MYM Pride.Loadsa engagements right from the early parts of the game.

And yea,I'd agree with RtP|DEV that SC indeed has amazing spectator value,even to the casual gamer

This post has been edited by ellimist: Nov 29 2007, 09:09 AM

Haha yea,a lil off topic,but I do agree with you (though I didn't see it in such detail )

Basically I thought the balance was shifted to the toss early on,but then the balance shifted over to the terran as he invaded. I did think he was gonna win,but the carriers were