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desmond2020
post Nov 28 2025, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(ekoh @ Nov 28 2025, 01:12 PM)
Now many HKger said blaming on bamboo scaffolding is a conspiracy from China to replace it with metal, they want to preserve it.
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idk man

those like kena racun bunga cibai, damn retard, even say bamboo is not combustible
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post Nov 28 2025, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(ekoh @ Nov 28 2025, 01:12 PM)
Now many HKger said blaming on bamboo scaffolding is a conspiracy from China to replace it with metal, they want to preserve it.
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just preserve it only la.. the heritage is more important than their live. just note down who are they, have some bamboo structure set up at thier housing area so that they walk what they talk.
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post Nov 28 2025, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(shyan90's @ Nov 28 2025, 12:57 PM)
Cant imagine this happen in Rumah Wip... HK 8 blocks apartment are just under 2k unit or 250 unit per tower... rumah wip....i think more than 4/500 unit per tower?
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Now we see Bandar madani how many storeys per block pula…. 😎
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post Nov 28 2025, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 28 2025, 11:43 AM)
Ladder how tall also useless when the prop layout didn’t designed to give fire truck access into the compound. In this HK fire, the fire trucks also didn’t manage to get close to the apartments.
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True might not be useful for this use case, but it can be for other rescue environments, dont later when need to save tak ada tools to use just because we are not prepared for it.
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post Nov 28 2025, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Nov 28 2025, 12:37 PM)
this apartment block is old (1983) , no fire sprinkler system, and is low cost public housing like PPR. even UK also did not have mandatory fire sprinkler  law for their council flats until recently.
where got 100m? none of the fire ladders reach the top also...

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maybe not in hk then,

The Longest Fire Truck Ladders in Use

If you’re wondering about the absolute longest ladders available, some specialized aerial apparatus can stretch impressively far:

Bronto Skylift F-Series: These aerial platforms can reach up to 295 feet (90 meters), but these are extremely specialized vehicles and are not common in every fire department.
Magirus M68L: Aerial ladder from Magirus can reach 223 feet (68 meters), making it one of the tallest true ladders in the world.

However, for typical urban or suburban fire departments, ladders of 100 feet are standard and sufficient for reaching 7–8 story buildings.


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post Nov 28 2025, 01:37 PM

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They been using bamboo for a very long time.

Surely, there must be other factors that had to align for such a large scale tragedy involving so many lives and property damage...


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post Nov 28 2025, 01:46 PM

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heard that only 1 or 2 fire hydrant in the whole compound


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post Nov 28 2025, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 28 2025, 10:21 AM)
I just recalled PRC got drones designed to be used for fire fighting. Just realised these drones were no where to be seen in this historical HK tragedy. Either those drones were never adopted by HK firefighters or those drones never made it into practical field usage? hmm.gif
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post Nov 28 2025, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(ekoh @ Nov 28 2025, 01:12 PM)
Now many HKger said blaming on bamboo scaffolding is a conspiracy from China to replace it with metal, they want to preserve it.
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QUOTE(brkli @ Nov 28 2025, 01:24 PM)
just preserve it only la.. the heritage is more important than their live. just note down who are they, have some bamboo structure set up at thier housing area so that they walk what they talk.
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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Nov 28 2025, 01:37 PM)
They been using bamboo for a very long time.

Surely, there must be other factors that had to align for such a large scale tragedy involving so many lives and property damage...
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How about bamboo make of metal material?

Preserve the heritage of the bamboo (got the outlook) and at the same time be safer.

Genius right? thumbup.gif
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post Nov 28 2025, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Nov 28 2025, 01:37 PM)
They been using bamboo for a very long time.

Surely, there must be other factors that had to align for such a large scale tragedy involving so many lives and property damage...
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Bamboo is not very flammable otherwise we will not be able to make lemang . I think the culprit is the green netting.

This post has been edited by enviro: Nov 28 2025, 02:09 PM
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post Nov 28 2025, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(enviro @ Nov 28 2025, 02:08 PM)
Bamboo is not very flammable  otherwise  we will not be able to make lemang  .
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You use dried bamboo to make lemang?
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post Nov 28 2025, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Nov 28 2025, 08:13 AM)
Where do you think this type of practice started from?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera....-hong-kong-fire
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 28 2025, 08:19 AM)
so you are saying india is more advanced than china?
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No wonder historically, Chinese mati katak in the millions. Never change hor? Here so many died, and still got many wumaos who must protek. Not their family member who died mah....

Priorities ke laut.

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post Nov 28 2025, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(ekoh @ Nov 28 2025, 01:12 PM)
Now many HKger said blaming on bamboo scaffolding is a conspiracy from China to replace it with metal, they want to preserve it.
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at this moment still mau blame China pulak, otak really masuk air sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 28 2025, 01:23 PM)
idk man

those like kena racun bunga cibai, damn retard, even say bamboo is not combustible
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Bamboo where got burn sohai

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post Nov 28 2025, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Nov 28 2025, 02:32 PM)
Sohai Winnie kok rider.
Bamboo where got burn sohai

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yalah tu, of course not burn, india still use bamboo scaffolding mah



india use one, sure safe one
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QUOTE(bill11 @ Nov 28 2025, 12:36 PM)
maybe not in hk then,

The Longest Fire Truck Ladders in Use

If you’re wondering about the absolute longest ladders available, some specialized aerial apparatus can stretch impressively far:

    Bronto Skylift F-Series: These aerial platforms can reach up to 295 feet (90 meters), but these are extremely specialized vehicles and are not common in every fire department.
    Magirus M68L: Aerial ladder from Magirus can reach 223 feet (68 meters), making it one of the tallest true ladders in the world.

However, for typical urban or suburban fire departments, ladders of 100 feet are standard and sufficient for reaching 7–8 story buildings.
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Hk don't have. That why Shenzhen is willing to help but HK govt didnt give them green light. China got those super ladder fire truck + drone.
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post Nov 28 2025, 02:43 PM

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post Nov 28 2025, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(enviro @ Nov 28 2025, 02:08 PM)
Bamboo is not very flammable  otherwise  we will not be able to make lemang  . I think the culprit  is the green netting.
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The bamboos for scaffolding is not fresh bamboos, they are dried and probably already reused multiple times.

Also, we shouldn’t equate fire outbreak with normal day cooking/bbq, almost everything is flammable under intense heat in during fire outbreak. Even fire door that is designed to be fire proof will eventually caught fire after prolong fire exposure.

The none fire retardant green netting when burnt allegedly will melt and drip down, the dripping will continue to burn for a while. So the dripping fire may eventually cause the bamboos to caught fire also. One victim witness claimed that the bamboos were blasting like rockets, causing many fire debris to fly everywhere.
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post Nov 28 2025, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Nov 28 2025, 01:37 PM)
They been using bamboo for a very long time.

Surely, there must be other factors that had to align for such a large scale tragedy involving so many lives and property damage...
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there are many issue in this fire. first we look at the material issue first.
to me the no1 culprit is
1) the styrofoam board was used to to cover all the window to protect the window during renovation.
easy to light up under fire. not fire retard. This is the most dangerous as it is directly connecting to the building. there are 2 issues here. one being it is not fire retard and easily inflammable.
with the board on the window, the people staying inside doesnt know what is happening outside , and causes people to react too late to save themselves.

2) bamboo scaffolding.
There is a reason why the whole world move into steel scaffolding. steel scaffolding are much more consistent and stable. According to fire safety expert Goertz, bamboo has an "outer coating" that "actually has quite good fire properties". "It doesn't catch fire very easily. But once it does catch fire, the entire structure burns and the fire spreads upwards." Another special feature of bamboo is that the individual parts "practically disintegrate explosively".

3) the safety netting was not fire retard.
this is also an issue, but people tend to use the cheaper option. fire retard safety netting is much much more expensive than the normal type of safety netting. We also have this issue here. almost all our construction in malaysia are using non fire retard safety netting.



on construction method side.
the worst culprit
1) fire alarm was turn off.
during the renovation, all fire alarm was turn off, which causes many not aware of the fire breakout. This is actually outrageous.

2) 8 blocks renovate at the same time.
the reason why all 8 block are under renovation at the same time is really weird. Usually to cut cost, most contractor would do 1 block at a time, to save cost and easier to control labor. doing 1 block at a time, would also shorten and limit effecting the people staying there.

3) no bomba lift.
there was no bomba lift at the building which is weird, as the building was built in 1986. around that time, most of the world already making it into a law that requires bomba lift at every high rise building. Malaysia also make it into a law in 1984.

4) fire escape staircase or the lack of
well, there is a fire escape staircase at the building, but it is not considered a fire escape staircase at all, as it is fully open. As a fire escape staircase, you need to be fully blocked off from outside and all exit door need to be fire rated door. so as the fire break out, the fire can block the fire escape passage and people could not escape

On government side.
1) Lack off checking from authority.
how the renovation work of such huge scale lack of checking from authority. but this issue is also similar to malaysia, as most of our construction site, doesnt really follow all requirement, but still allow to carry out.


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