surprise nobody talking about this. maybe they did but i couldnt find the thread


i upgraded my pc few month ago. bought a


KINGSTON FURY BEAST 32GB (2X16GB) 6000MT/s DDR5 CL30 AMD EXPO RAM - KF560C30BBEK2-32

for RM 557


but prices for the same item same store, now RM 860

For myself dodged a bullet. most others who need ram right now, G_G:



some suggestions what to do




for ram these are the specs u typically want for a modern 2025 amd pc system

- 6000MT/s (good enuff)
- CL30 (good enuff)
- AMD EXPO (what this means is it has the EXPO configs. which is what you want for AMD pc build. dont accidentally buy the Intel kit)
- (2X16GB) this capacity size is whats recommended in 2025. If you need more, buy more. but for most people this is sufficient. Also why 2 sticks instead of just 1 and also 4? Because using 2 stick you can use dual channel mode. Also 4 sticks works poorly for am5 systems so they don't recommend using 4 sticks.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 3 2025, 07:34 PM

Been mentioning that since here
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4209269/+27480#

and here
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4192804/+9420#

SSD & HDD prices too going up and up. Yeah all thanks to AI

also to give an idea how bad this is, check the historical pricing

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q7LdnQ/kin...f560c30bbek2-32


in a 2 year period, this particular ram kit was sold for $110 usd but is now $289 so doubled in pricing in some places.

But we mostly buy local, so i just gave an example from shopee.

I bought around august 2025, prices was still ok then. But this November 2025 things went to hell.


so unless you have no choice to buy ram, you should refrain and wait it out. not good time to buy right now

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 4 2025, 06:22 AM

Wait it out? Erm, unless AI bubble burst the demand for hardware will continue to go up and up. Over the coming years, 1st gen AI machines will be replaced by newer more efficient stuff keeping the ball rolling and demand/prices high.

Good thing is you dont need a lot of DDR5, 2 sticks is max you need coz pointless to upgrade until 4 sticks (like with DDR4) as it will tank XMP/EXPO speeds.

SSD otoh will be more impactful as theres never enuff storage.

not only DDR5. even DDR4 price is double now.
last time i bought 64GB DDR4 3200MHz ~ RM451.
now it become ~ RM1151

AI operator sapu all the order, even manafacture cannot make it on time...AI demand is huge....................

wasnt there something about them phasing out ddr4 production for ddr5? because of that prices for ddr4 were increasing as consequence.

hm... wait, ddr4 still has up to 2026. after that, game over
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...ents-for-longer

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 4 2025, 10:50 AM

DDR4 price hikes are expected long before as it was being deprecated from production and sales so its natural prices goes up. DDR3 also same then. However you can easily find 2nd hand DDR4 RAMS so doing a new DDR4 based super budget rig isnt too bad yet (if you go with 2nd hand / China branded RAM sticks)

DDR4 still got "life" thanks to intel late going all in during DDR5.

im using crucial pro DDR4. so for the next 2 slot, i plan to use the same crucial pro. try to mix with existing ram (2x8GB), unable to boot.

Bought CORSAIR Vengeance DDR4 64gb last year Dec at RM475.
Now RM1132
Sold the 16gb old RAM for RM130.

Feels like GPU crypto bomb all over again.

Intel Alderlake was first to use DDR5 when it first came out. AMD switch to DDR5 with AM5 was much much later

You do not mix DDR4 of different batches and capacity even if their from the same series unless your planning to run at JEDEC speeds.

yes, but alderlake still support ddr4 right? if im not mistaken, at that time many techtuber suggest to stay with DDR4.

run at JEDEC as Dell does not support XMP.
thats why i plan to buy the same series and capacity, to max it to 128GB. too late already.

DDR5 was too new & expensive when it debuted along with ADL. Its only from Raptorlake that DDR5 start becoming mainstream not just enthusiasts. DDR4 kinda hangs around (still does!) due to longevity of AM4 systems particularly since X3D CPUs brought it back from the dead.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Nov 4 2025, 06:06 PM

iirc is first support 2 type of DDR (4&5), and the first cpu support PCIe 5 which none of device got PCIe 5 on that time
when 2022 buy HP desktop it still ship with DDR4, so nothing i can set for RAM

It will go higher.

The current AI boom is eating up most of the current RAM/NAND supply and manufacturing capacity
It's basically a repeat of the GPU shortage several years back because of the crypto boom

My Kingston 64GB DDR4-3600 kit now at RM1200 too. Got it for half the price.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Nov 9 2025, 01:59 PM

RTX 5000 super series are getting delayed due to this as well
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...r-consumer-gpus

DDR3 price hike when?

soon

https://www.guru3d.com/story/dram-price-inc...sts-rise-up-to/

https://www.astutegroup.com/news/industrial...eling-hbm-boom/


newer pc like am4 or am5 dont use ddr3. only if u got an ancient system sure but, at that point probably should upgrade to newer platform. lots of the bios security patches mostly on newer systems.



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 13 2025, 03:35 PM

graphic card prices also affected because of it



u want to seek refuge with the slower ddr5 kits, those got jacked up as well

i see pc partpicker price history and my recent purchase in august. so barely escaped

bought 2 kits. 1 for my truenas and another for desktop pc. so i'm good for many years now


malaysia is also doing the AI stuff including providing power for it



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 14 2025, 02:59 PM

Can build a couple around Bakun dam, finally got some use now

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Nov 14 2025, 10:37 PM

buy now or wait? watch

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 15 2025, 10:40 AM

if u didnt watch any of the ddr5 news, i recommend watching this one at least. covers the whole story



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 17 2025, 08:54 AM

planning to build a new pc soon-ish. just wondering if the RAM prices here are also affected or not

i compared the prices for the 32 gb kit i bought a few months ago and the prices now. So yes. malaysia affected

so although most of those youtube vids reference amazon prices, but for shopee which most of you use, yes the price hike was noticeable there as well.

i don't know if prices on aliexpress were jacked or not. i order mine from local from reputable seller in case later need warranty.


for a gaming pc, i strongly recommend minimum 32gig (16gb x 2) kit.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 19 2025, 11:27 AM

ah man that sucks. 32gb klevv ones are still around the same prices but holy shit the kingston and corsair ones are over 1k thats insane.

even if u wanted to get a slower ram thinking u can get better prices, seems that wont save u much either.

if u really really need to upgrade, then just cough up the money (what choice do u have?). if not, i dont know how long u will need to wait. a while back, ram prices were high for quite a long time, and only many many years later did prices become saner again. so i sus it will be like that, or maybe not. problem is the AI data centers to be blamed for this

may want to test ur ram that no issues. 24 hours? or 3 days? should be more than sufficient. the default 4 pass test is not long enough for a proper test





This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 19 2025, 12:20 PM

i haven't looked around yet but have a feeling soon sellers will start bundling RAM with mobo + proc, just like how they did with some proc and gpu when first released. Some overseas retailers already start doing this

When global price hikes, Msia are immediately affected (even tho stocks are from pre hikes)
When global price drops, Msia will take the longest time to drop bcoz dstros say its stocks were bought when price here high.
This is Msia and this AI datacenter bubble wont burst so soon like crypto.

If your planning something soon, buy DDR5 RAM, SSD/HDD, maybe even GPU right now, as these are going up and up and still climbing by the day.

Supposedly if you just turn on XMP/EXPO and it just runs then it normally should no problems but if you do RAM tuning or see some instability you should do a thorough testing.

Here is what I did for mine RAM tuning https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=109967018

using AIDA64, MemTest86, TestMem5 with 1usmus, Absolut & Extreme profiles (yes 3 times), HCI MemtestPro & Intel BurnTest(can use for AMD too), OCCT RAM test (most hardest to pass), Windows Memory Diagnostics, Intel XTU RAM test(for Intel system). Even then after all pass I still had occasional glitch in Windows that went away when I up TRAS by 1. It was that edge case sensitive.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Nov 19 2025, 06:35 PM

actually i found this kingston with my motherboard very good

KINGSTON FURY BEAST 32GB (2X16GB) 6000MT/s DDR5 CL30 AMD EXPO RAM - KF560C30BBEK2-32

MSI MAG X870 Tomahawk Wifi


In the reviews this combination of motherboard and ram kit was very stable. I even put setting to tightest no issue. But i kept it at 6000 mhz.

For bios i also did undervolt with PBO enabled. all cores undervolt -20 (-30 was instant crash. but -20 stable for many months no issues even during loads. tested with OCCT and the other benchmark)

that said the wifi drivers for this msi motherboard including the NIC ethernet 5g is BAD. so i can't recommend this particular motherboard to others

Surprising you have wifi problems as its using Qualcomm NCM865 wifi/BT chipset which is the best that AM5 can get (since Intel better Wifi7 module only works with Intel mobo). And yes its more the wifi brand thats causing problems rather than mobo (unless your talking about accessing features from bios). If it works poorly for you I doubt other mobos with the crappier Realtek wifi chipset can do better.

i did a dump log, i specifically flagged the qualcom fastconnect drivers for the motherboard wifi causing bsod crash after waking from sleep.

at one point i managed to get it to work without crashing, with the driver installed.

but now it's back to crashing after i removed old drivers causing errors in event viewer (different drivers, not the wifi). So after that, the wifi drivers starts bugging out again. a bit frustrating






bluetooth still works at least. for wired, i bought an addon card for sfp+ 10g, i use fiber to my switch. So i bypass the bad 5gbe realtek nic.

the particular motherboard also doesn't do x8 and x16 for the spare pcie slots. so i had to buy a sfp+ pcie x4 that worked on this motherboard. I tested a sfp+ pcie x8, that didn't work.

some people said the X870E for this tomahawk is more stable, but i donno, since i don't have it.


anyway as for ram, on hardware unboxed they did a bunch of testing comparing how well ram ran on those motherboards. this x870 tomahawk got the ddr5-8000 expo validation to pass. I don't use 8000 but they did the test saying it would work with this motherboard, so thats how well ddr5 would work with it is what i meant.




oo this motherboard people also complained aboit the audio dac being not the best. but i use edifier usb speakers which uses it's own internal dac, so that's how i bypassed that particular issue. i heard though that the latest realtek audio drivers solved whatever audio issue it had. i just didn't confirm it myself.


This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 20 2025, 06:56 AM

"flagged the qualcom fastconnect drivers for the motherboard wifi"
Thats on Qualcomm tho. I believe their driver stack isnt playing well with others, of course you should run with drivers installed. I did heard network implementation on Ryzen isnt as smooth as on Intel, but at least your not facing the more problems with Realtek or Mediatek chipsets.

For Ryzen I see less point going higher than 6200/6400 even as your IF ratio will go to heck. Whatmore X3D isnt as sensitive to mem speeds but latency so it more beneficial to keep IF 1:1 and do RAM tuning to lower CL timings.

Its audio chip is not bad, mid range level. But then theres no onboard audio will suit audiophiles (this is true since when audio started integrating on mobos).

after 7 hours, my 32GB DDR4 stick got 106 errors.

planning something but after seeing those ram prices, might as well build am4 and wait until it goes back to normal. might not be able to recover so fast since all storage are at low stock will take years to

Rocketlake well known to have poor IMC to RAM, even poorer than previous gen Cometlake. 32GB DDR4 indicates either 16GB sticks or 4x 8GB, both which lean heavy on CPU IMC, so you will have to reduce RAM bus speed or try loosen timings. Otherwise it may be hardware failure.

FYI my 12700 nonK 32GB DDR4 took less than 4hrs to complete.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Nov 20 2025, 04:01 PM

DDR4 prices also getting ridiculous as due to the rise of RAM prices plus the phasing out of DDR4 production. I think new chips only Samsung doing now, every others have switch to DDR5.

Imho buy the cheapest DDR5 6000 CL30 32GB kit right now you can find and lock in the while you build the rest of your system. You might also wanna get a decent cheap SSD (or a throaway Gen3 1TB SSD as temporary) cause SSD prices will go up next.

i already have 2 SSDs that i will be bringing over. some generic skhynix one from laptop and a samsung 980pro. only aiming to be a 2tb hdd. as for am4 or am5 honestly not sure, the 5700x3d is still expensive and i was aiming for the 7700

the reason i used qualcom not intel because intel wifi 7 didnt work for amd ? maybe thats why msi bundled qualcom with their amd motherboard.

i was just shocked that this motherboard using that qualcom wifi7 had this sort of bsod due to driver. i tried reinstall but no luck.

had to uninstall.

at one point i had working wifi minus bsod crash after waking from sleep. i can't remember how i manage to get to that point


my ram timings is tightest. the youtuber said do that. i did and seems stable so i left it at that. i'm using the expo profile for the OC. so i think profile 1? 6000 mhz

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 21 2025, 07:57 AM

its a single 32GB stick. run each test one stick at a time.
2nd stick pass.
Dell UEFI did not have any ram setting, so it run on jedec speed of 2933MHz.

If its just turning on EXPO profile, yeah theres a lot more tuning that can be done.

Single 32GB is very tough on CPU IMC as its at the very max limit of capacity per slot. If your running 2 sticks even worse. Might not even post at JEDEC speed. Try dropping to next level speed under 2933 and try again. Otherwise it could be a RAM or RAM slot hardware failure. Luckily RAM is lifetime warranty.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Nov 21 2025, 03:04 PM

it work fine since december 2024. in uefi, no option to setting RAM speed at all.

Try RMA the bad RAM then.

already in the process of RMA, waiting for crucial/micron to reply.

3200mhz is piece of cake. Even for a locked CPU. 3600mhz onwards might cause some problems. It may need you to increase SOC voltage (AMD) or VCCSA/VCCIO/VDDQ TX (Intel). Depends on memory controller quality. Yeah, you can get the best 14900KS and still get crappy memory controller. My 13900K isn't great. Unable to push 8000mhz.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Nov 22 2025, 08:59 AM

for anyone wondering.

i'm fine with the expo 6000 MT profile setting and also set to tighest (if tightest cause bsod u need to adjust. for me apparently it was fine).


u need a motherboard that can support ddr5 8000 and is STABLE. mine based on hardware unboxed is, but i got the 6000 since the bang for buck build said that was what to get so i did

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 22 2025, 10:34 AM

are we saved?



https://wccftech.com/sk-hynix-to-increase-d...ng-eight-folds/



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 22 2025, 10:43 AM

6000/6200MHZ is good enuff, you will want to keep IF ratio 1:1, as going higher will affect latency. Which is why most recommends around 6000. For those 8000 & above its done with IF ratio 1:2 but being able to ramp up the speed you could overcome the higher latency loss. Otoh, kits that can do those speeds are overpriced just to get perf that are likely imperceptible to most people.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Nov 22 2025, 05:09 PM

yeah thats why i didn't bother. and even when u got them, not many mobo can run them stably. but for me the price was the determining factor better bang for buck price performance ratio.

i follow this youtubers recommendation



for brand and specific kit, i usually check whats locally available, and what works well with my motherboard. if u go to the motherboard support page, it will have a QVL for verified ram for the mobo. other redditors will also verify if it worked on the motherboard or not.

By the way when shopping shopee, make sure if u go amd get expo kit. Dont let seller trick u get xmp kit when i double check qvl, the xmp kit not even in qvl for the motherboard

the good seller will specifically show the model part number for the ram kit. whereas others don't, because they want to slip you the xmp kit when ur using amd system. happened to me, so had to request refund and blacklist the seller. I even ask before purchase if it's the model part i wanted they simply said ya (but they lied )


This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 22 2025, 06:06 PM

Need to hold for getting new RIG liao, sigh

Micron is out.

https://www.reuters.com/business/micron-exi...ess-2025-12-03/

RAM will cost a kidney until someone steps up.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...ated-circuit-co


maybe china? they got enuff know how from their ip theft by now probably but even then wouldn't they just do what everyone is doing, target ai datacenter?

anyway i don't think we have a white knight coming to the rescue anytime soon

https://www.trendforce.com/news/2025/11/18/...stic-suppliers/



https://www.reuters.com/commentary/breaking...cue-2025-12-02/







This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 4 2025, 12:24 PM

https://wccftech.com/memory-ddr5-ddr4-short...hroughout-2026/


so some r guessing end by 2027 or 2028. not sure who they heard this guess from but, i did link a previous article where they were saying data centers were in a glut on already over buying on certain parts. so i'm guessing we just have to wait till they finish at the all you can eat buffet till they choke dead can't eat anymore, then maybe things will get back to normally gradually by then




This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Today, 07:24 AM

Winbond doing more DDR4. Old brand.

https://overclock3d.net/news/memory/dram-sa...mbat-shortages/

Hopefully more brands steps up.

but my mobo only ddr5 so how


actually lowyat posted this
https://www.lowyat.net/2025/375227/samsung-...l-purpose-dram/




for ssd nand? no idea. no mention of relief rally for that, only that crucial who does ram, and ssd under crucial brand is out


but as gamer nexus said, it's all sus, but what can you do about it? nothing





This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Today, 09:44 AM

SK Hynix to the rescue
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/memory/hot...nished-by-2027/

Hopefully Intel and AMD can come up with their CPU pairing with HBM
Just need some beefy cooler

Not anytime soon though. This is one of the reason why I expect 1-2 years time.

the fine print. but guess that solves where that 2027-2028 theory on when this crisis may have been referring to *cross fingers