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GalaxyV
post Oct 9 2025, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(theozis @ Oct 9 2025, 10:20 PM)
above is possible.

the most ngam is how can all the 7 players who claimed their grandparents / parents were born in malaysia, lost all the birth certificates in the same period ?
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why dont check back hospital record or immigration to know if they really came to malaysia that period?
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post Oct 9 2025, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE((hcmalaya @ Sep 26 2025, 11:08 PM)
CHF350k fine
7 players fined CHF2k and ban 12 months
FIFA claim all 7 grandparents original birthcerts acquired shown foreign birthplace
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https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/7fd28b5f50dea...ia_06102025.pdf

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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Oct 9 2025, 10:11 PM)
If the Spain officials don’t come to Swiss to testify, there will be 2 copies of the birth certs. Which one is the real one?
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The Malaysian copies obtained by FAM were issued by JPN in early 2025 based on "hearsay" (eg by the footballers and fam) whereas the Spanish copies obtained by FIFA are based on the original birth certificates of the grandparents issued by the Spanish govt many decades ago. Which copy do you think will be accepted as admissible evidence in the upcoming tribunal or court of arbitration.?
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post Oct 9 2025, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(GalaxyV @ Oct 9 2025, 10:23 PM)
why dont check back hospital record or immigration to know if they really came to malaysia that period?
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if refer to FIFA , then they no need to check bcoz here wont allow them to check , furthermore they already obtained the more solid evidence.

if refer to bolehland, what is the points to check while know that there is no such records ?
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post Oct 9 2025, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(theozis @ Oct 9 2025, 10:27 PM)
if refer to FIFA , then they no need to check bcoz here wont allow them to check , furthermore they already obtained the more solid evidence.

if refer to bolehland, what is the points to check while know that there is no such records ?
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i believe them more thn bole
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post Oct 9 2025, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 9 2025, 10:25 PM)
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The Malaysian copies obtained by FAM were issued by JPN in early 2025 based on "hearsay" (eg by the footballers and fam) whereas the Spanish copies obtained by FIFA are based on the original birth certificates of the grandparents issued by the Spanish govt many decades ago.  Which copy do you think will be accepted as admissible evidence in the upcoming tribunal or court of arbitration.?
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See FIFA got either a photocopy or the authentic copy from Spain. Usually forensic methods can be used to verify its authenticity. If FIFA only has an emailed copy, it’s less credible.

Has the recent judgment mentioned that FIFA received the authentic birth cert issued by Spain officials?
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post Oct 9 2025, 10:31 PM

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post Oct 9 2025, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(theozis @ Oct 9 2025, 10:20 PM)
above is possible.

the most ngam is how can all the 7 players who claimed their grandparents / parents were born in malaysia, lost all the birth certificates in the same period ?
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QUOTE(GalaxyV @ Oct 9 2025, 10:23 PM)
why dont check back hospital record or immigration to know if they really came to malaysia that period?
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Fyi, .......

https://www.bharian.com.my/sukan/bola/2025/...-permohonan-fam - FIFA dedahkan kronologi permohonan FAM - 7 Oct 2025
.... 19 Mac 2025: FAM mengemukakan pertanyaan mengenai kelayakan Hector Hevel untuk mewakili Malaysia dan melampirkan sijil kelahiran datuk pemain itu bertarikh 6 Januari 2025 yang menunjukkan bahawa Hendrik Jan Hevel dilahirkan pada 3 Februari 1933 di Selat Melaka, Malaysia. Kes ini difailkan di bawah rujukan FPSD-18682.

20 Mac 2025: FAM mengemukakan satu lagi pertanyaan mengenai kelayakan Gabriel Felipe Arocha untuk mewakili Malaysia bersama sijil kelahiran nenek pemain bertarikh 3 Januari 2025 yang menunjukkan bahawa María Belen Concepción Martin dilahirkan pada 17 Mei 1956 di Melaka, Malaysia. Kes ini difailkan di bawah rujukan FPSD-18683.

24 Mac 2025: FIFA menghantar surat kepada FAM berkenaan kes FPSD-18682 dan menyatakan bahawa berdasarkan maklumat yang diberikan dan Hevel memenuhi semua keperluan berkaitan dan layak bermain untuk pasukan kebangsaan Malaysia. ...


How to check the British Malaya birth records in 1933.?
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post Oct 9 2025, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 9 2025, 10:36 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://www.bharian.com.my/sukan/bola/2025/...-permohonan-fam - FIFA dedahkan kronologi permohonan FAM - 7 Oct 2025
.... 19 Mac 2025: FAM mengemukakan pertanyaan mengenai kelayakan Hector Hevel untuk mewakili Malaysia dan melampirkan sijil kelahiran datuk pemain itu bertarikh 6 Januari 2025 yang menunjukkan bahawa Hendrik Jan Hevel dilahirkan pada 3 Februari 1933 di Selat Melaka, Malaysia. Kes ini difailkan di bawah rujukan FPSD-18682.

20 Mac 2025: FAM mengemukakan satu lagi pertanyaan mengenai kelayakan Gabriel Felipe Arocha untuk mewakili Malaysia bersama sijil kelahiran nenek pemain bertarikh 3 Januari 2025 yang menunjukkan bahawa María Belen Concepción Martin dilahirkan pada 17 Mei 1956 di Melaka, Malaysia. Kes ini difailkan di bawah rujukan FPSD-18683.

24 Mac 2025: FIFA menghantar surat kepada FAM berkenaan kes FPSD-18682 dan menyatakan bahawa berdasarkan maklumat yang diberikan dan Hevel memenuhi semua keperluan berkaitan dan layak bermain untuk pasukan kebangsaan Malaysia. ...


How to check the British Malaya birth records in 1933.?
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if cant check, why JPN issued the birth certificate?
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post Oct 9 2025, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(GalaxyV @ Oct 9 2025, 10:23 PM)
why dont check back hospital record or immigration to know if they really came to malaysia that period?
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I'm sure all of those records were also 'lost'
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post Oct 9 2025, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Oct 9 2025, 10:31 PM)
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The one lipoted harimaukekwa to fifa won too?
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post Oct 9 2025, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Oct 9 2025, 10:29 PM)
See FIFA got either a photocopy or the authentic copy from Spain. Usually  forensic methods can be used to verify its authenticity. If FIFA only has an emailed copy, it’s less credible.

Has the recent judgment mentioned that FIFA received the authentic birth cert issued by Spain officials?
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https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/7fd28b5f50dea...ia_06102025.pdf

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Are you alleging that FIFA forged the copies of the original birth certificates of the grandparents from Spain, Brazil, Argentina and Holland.? Aren't you the typical false accuser, very much like 'Accord2018' who had falsely accused me of being a spy for 'puchongite'.?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 9 2025, 10:51 PM
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post Oct 9 2025, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(GalaxyV @ Oct 9 2025, 10:38 PM)
if cant check, why JPN issued the birth certificate?
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Fyi, .......

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...-says-saifuddin - Birth certs for footballers’ grandparents lawfully issued, says Saifuddin
9 HOURS AGO
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Home minister says JPN issued the birth certificates under Section 10A of the Births and Deaths Registration Act following interviews and document verification.


= issued by JPN not based on the original birth certificates of the grandparents or hospital records or baby vaccination records or primary school records, etc.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 9 2025, 10:53 PM
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post Oct 9 2025, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 9 2025, 10:43 PM)
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https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/7fd28b5f50dea...ia_06102025.pdf

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Are you alleging that FIFA forged the copies of the original birth certificates of the grandparents from Spain, Brazil, Argentina and Holland.? Aren't you the typical false accuser.?
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Najib asking the dentist ah, for a CAS proceeding, documents must be credible meaning they need to be sealed and fully certified by the official with stamp and signature from Spain authorities. Does the judgment mention whether FIFA has that? Aren't you the typical cyber bullies?

This post has been edited by Schumacher: Oct 9 2025, 10:54 PM
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post Oct 9 2025, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Oct 9 2025, 10:50 PM)
Najib asking the dentist ah, for a CAS proceeding, documents must be credible meaning they need to be sealed and fully certified by the official with stamp and signature from Spain authorities. Does the judgment mention whether FIFA has that? Aren't you the typical cyber bullies?
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Please provide proof that for a CAS proceeding, documents must be credible meaning they need to be sealed and fully certified by the official with stamp and signature from Spain authorities.
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post Oct 9 2025, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 9 2025, 10:55 PM)
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Please provide proof that for a CAS proceeding, documents must be credible meaning they need to be sealed and fully certified by the official with stamp and signature from Spain authorities.
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Do you mean a photocopy or email copy would be enough to counter the JPN certificate if it’s supported by testimonies from the player’s family?

Without testimony from the Spain side, FIFA’s document would be open to challenge.

This post has been edited by Schumacher: Oct 9 2025, 11:00 PM
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post Oct 9 2025, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 9 2025, 10:36 PM)
sijil kelahiran datuk pemain itu bertarikh 6 Januari 2025

sijil kelahiran nenek pemain bertarikh 3 Januari 2025
Hmm. Still under Tan Sri Hamidin, just before he step down as FAM Prez.




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post Oct 9 2025, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(Hollow21 @ Oct 9 2025, 10:42 PM)
The one lipoted harimaukekwa to fifa won too?
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Nguyen beat Gurkha 3-1 takpe
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Ayam akan nego AFC tolak 6 mata saja tanpa reverse results
Bagi chance Harimau beat Nguyen at Hanoi to qualify
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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Oct 9 2025, 11:00 PM)
Hmm. Still under Tan Sri Hamidin, just before he step down as FAM Prez.
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Maybe he knew something?
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post Oct 9 2025, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Oct 9 2025, 11:00 PM)
Do you mean a photocopy or email copy would be enough to counter the JPN certificate if it’s supported by testimonies from the player’s family?

Without testimony from the Spain side, FIFA’s document would be open to challenge.
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So, you have no proof but just hearsay.
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