So FAM/JPN should furnish the proof that the grandmas were born here. But I can bet they will not go that far, there's hardly any details other than 'we followed the procedure'. The more they protest without furnishing evidence, the more it looks bad on them. If they do furnish evidence, the more worms will come out of the can.

Why some people get citizenship so easily? Why some other people with genuine lost documentation have such a hard time to get replacement document? Everyone is hoping to get these answered. FAM is stuck in a hard place, dig more and expose yourself or lose your dignity.

Actually, are there really any forged documents? NRD already issued official birthcert to the 7 grandmas. I would think the issue is that NRD did it using methods that FIFA and basically everyone else would not agree with. Its still a valid document, as NRD has full authority to issue it as they please.

Yes. It will not be recognized by FIFA or anyone with a brain. But I dont think forged documentation is the right term here.

Anyway, the buck stops with NRD here. FAM can just say they follow NRD documentation. FIFA rejects and blames FAM. FAM can easily blame NRD. NRD will have no one to blame, they will just say citizenship process is under OSA and turtle up. I can imagine NRD being more silent than a dead body now.

Its a technical issue. If they claim that there are evidence to support Donald trump being born in malaysia, they have the authority to do so.

Its like a university, they are the authority to issue bachelor degree certificates. If for some really stupid reason they decide to issue a certificate to someone who didnt even study there, its still a valid cert. Their reputation would crash, but the cert remains real, not a forged cert. A forged cert is only considered forged if someone else other than the authority creates it or edits it.

Looks like everyone knows malaysia reputation of being malas...

Fraud would be a more suitable term here. Too bad NRD wont likely be held accountable for this.

They clearly did here

This post has been edited by jaapers: Oct 7 2025, 08:14 PM

Nrd only sees what they can see or in this case, what they want to see. I think what they saw was a big eagle hovering in front of them. They generated a legit cert. It doesn't matter to them there was another birth cert, to them it's irrelevant.

From FAM perspective, they will claim their checking is thru the authority, which is NRD.

Got some extremely spicy comments around one hour ago, including a picture depicting the eagle with pig nose and ear

These guys pusing2 dunno want to tipu who. The bigger question of the grandma birth cert not explained. Everyone wants to know how all 7 grandparents can have Malaysia birth certs and how all 7 lost their original birth certs and how there are records of all 7 birth certs in other countries. They really think we are stupid.

I'm sure all of those records were also 'lost'

Do you think FIFA doesn't have the proof in their pockets?

Fifa released the detailed decision liao. It gives Malaysia just another level of shame..


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This post has been edited by jaapers: Nov 18 2025, 11:24 AM

Serves them right for wanting to go to war with FIFA just to cover their own dirty backside

whole country malu because of someone's ego

So do you still have any doubts FIFA can win?

Let me make it easy for you. Here's a snippet from the release



I think previously you were wondering if FIFA had the ability to get a hold of the original birth certs. Does this clear up your doubt?

So now the claim is that its all the staff fault, they submitted forged documents, so we dont need to argue on the correct place of birth anymore?

Dont forget that FAM also submitted the Malaysian birth cert of the grandparents (after submitting the forged copy of the foreign birth cert documents). You dont find it curious why would FAM say 'actually the forged documents was accidentally submitted, but here's the malaysian official birth cert to prove that the forged foreign birth certs are actually legit'?

Its clear FAM still considers Malaysia to be the birth place. its not just about mistakenly submitted documents.

Your stand always seems to align with FAMs stand.

If the company accidentally handed over forged documents, and they are truly innocent, would they submit more documents that tries to prove the forged documents are legit? No, they would say sorry, it was a mistake
But this company doubled down and submitted the Malaysian birth cert, to try to prove that the documents were not forged. This shows they are not sorry, it wasn't a mistaken submission. This shows they are trying to disprove that it was a forged document.

Judges will definitely see through the intent, FAM is royally f*cked here. If FAM didn't double down, then it would be more believable that the forged documents were submitted in error.

I understand their defense. I'm saying that it won't work because their following actions post forged document submission clearly shows intent to deceive.

But here you are trying hard to make their defense seem logical.