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post Jun 13 2025, 11:17 AM, updated 2w ago

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1. Footage showed the aircraft climbing away from the runway then sinking back down towards the ground, before disappearing behind trees and bursting into flames. The plane crashed into a hostel housing medical students, doctors and their families in the Meghani Nagar residential area and at least 24 people on the ground died.

On Thursday night, Air India confirmed that 241 of those on board had been killed in the crash, with a Briton, Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, the sole survivor. The combined death toll makes it the world’s worst aviation disaster for more than a decade.

2. India’s home minister, Amit Shah, said the intense heat caused by burning jet fuel meant that had been little chance for anyone who survived impact to escape. “There was 125,000 litres of fuel inside the plane and it caught heat so it was impossible to save anyone,” he said. The final death toll would only be known after the DNA testing had been completed on the victims’ remains, he said.

Videos of the aftermath showed smoke rising over the area and firefighters on charred streets as people were moved on stretchers. In other images, people were seen assessing the damage while part of the mangled plane could be seen sticking out of a building. Pieces of the aircraft’s landing gear, fuselage and tail protruded from the wreckage. Residents said the crash sounded like a bomb blast and felt like an earthquake.

3. Ramesh, from London, described seeing bodies all around him after the crash.

“Thirty seconds after takeoff, there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly,” Ramesh, who still had his boarding pass, told the Hindustan Times. He said he had “impact injuries”, including bruising on his chest, eyes and feet, but was otherwise lucid and conscious.

“When I got up, there were bodies all around me. I was scared. I stood up and ran. There were pieces of the plane all around me. Someone grabbed hold of me and put me in an ambulance and brought me to the hospital.”

4. Vidhi Chaudhary, a police officer, told Reuters: “Approximately 294 have died. This includes some students as the plane crashed on the building where they were staying.”

Three of the Britons who died in the crash have been named as Akeel Nanabawa, his wife, Hannaa, and their four-year-old daughter, Sara, according to a statement posted by Gloucester Muslim Community on Facebook.

Air India’s chair, Natarajan Chandrasekaran, described the crash as a “tragic accident”.


5. According to air traffic control at Ahmedabad airport, the aircraft departed at 1.39pm (9.09am BST) from runway 23. It issued a mayday call after which nothing more was heard from the flight deck.

The 242 people onboard included two pilots and 10 cabin crew. The passengers included 217 adults, 11 children and two infants, according to Reuters. Of them, 169 were Indian nationals, 53 were Britons, seven Portuguese, and one Canadian, Air India said.


6. Tata Group, the parent company of Air India, said it would provide 10m rupees (£86,000) to the families of those killed in the crash. The company said it would also cover the medical costs of those injured and provide support in the “building up” of the medical college hit by the plane.

7. Residents told Agence France-Presse about the aftermath of the crash. “When we reached the spot there were several bodies lying around and firefighters were dousing the flames. Many of the bodies were burned,” said Poonam Patni.

Another witness, who did not want to be named, said: “We saw people from the building jumping from the second and third floor to save themselves. The plane was in flames. We helped people get out of the building and sent the injured to the hospital.”


8. The UK Foreign Office said officials were working with Indian authorities to establish the facts around the crash and provide support to those involved. Gatwick airport officials said a reception centre was being set up for relatives of the passengers.

The flight tracking website Flightradar24 said the signal from the aircraft was lost less than a minute after takeoff. In a post on X, it said: “We are following reports of a crash of Air India flight AI171 from Ahmedabad to London.

9 Doctors were at lunch in Ahmedabad hostel, then a plane crashed into their building

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/...board-ahmedabad


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gonna wait for mentour's version

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QUOTE(GTA5 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:19 AM)
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:22 AM)
86k pound only
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RM 516, 000

Times 6 [average]

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6. Tata Group, the parent company of Air India, said it would provide 10m rupees (£86,000) to the families of those killed in the crash. The company said it would also cover the medical costs of those injured and provide support in the “building up” of the medical college hit by the plane.


lol wait till get sued, india indians love to sue for everything. so those money is not the last amount
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jun 13 2025, 11:21 AM)
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Same!
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ Jun 13 2025, 11:25 AM)
lol wait till get sued, india indians love to sue for everything. so those money is not the last amount
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Belum kena sue in UK, canada, portugal lagi
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:24 AM)
RM 516, 000

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but die wor

worth meh
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:26 AM)
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True. Probably next of kin might benefit like orphan kids or wife of deceased la
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:24 AM)
RM 516, 000

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1-2 year income for britons, portugese and canadian

air india will kena sue until upcar by these victims' family
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it's india, tata and boeing
it's easier to cook stories than telling the truth.
good luck with transparent investigation report.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:27 AM)
1-2 year income for britons, portugese and canadian

air india will kena sue until upcar by these victims' family
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Yup, wait till lawsuite comes up. Air india probably kena bancrupt
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:24 AM)
RM 516, 000

Times 6 [average]
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Per family regardless how many dead or per dead person?

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QUOTE(YahooGmail @ Jun 13 2025, 11:30 AM)
Per family regardless how many dead or per dead person?
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This is just compensation kot. I am sure lawsuit inkambing
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that 1 guy that survive, must have protection of gods......either he did something good in his current life, or previous life
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:25 AM)
Belum kena sue in UK, canada, portugal lagi
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exactly, they think just pay a bit sudah settle laugh.gif theres more shit to come soon............
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ Jun 13 2025, 11:35 AM)
exactly, they think just pay a bit sudah settle  laugh.gif theres more shit to come soon............
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Yeap. Air india was struggling financially before tata takes over. This one seals its fate.
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:24 AM)
RM 516, 000

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how much were compensated by MAS for MH370 and MH17 incident?
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QUOTE(katijar @ Jun 13 2025, 11:32 AM)
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Airplanes are safe. Its jus depend which airline and how they maintain it

QUOTE(daisuke @ Jun 13 2025, 11:34 AM)
that 1 guy that survive, must have protection of gods......either he did something good in his current life, or previous life
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His bro died, he gonna have survival guilt. Hope he stays strong.
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QUOTE(skybleu05 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:39 AM)
how much were compensated by MAS for MH370 and MH17 incident?
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No idea

This is what i found in wiki

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Compensation for passengers' next of kin
Lack of evidence in determining the cause of Flight 370's disappearance, as well as the absence of any physical confirmation that the airplane crashed, raises many issues regarding responsibility for the accident and the payments made by insurance agencies.[324] Under the Montreal Convention, it is the carrier's responsibility to prove lack of fault in an accident and each passenger's next of kin are automatically entitled, regardless of fault, to a payment of approximately US$175,000[p] from the airline's insurance company—amounting to a total of almost US$40 million for the 227 passengers on board.[324]

Malaysia Airlines was also vulnerable to civil action from passengers' families.[324] Compensation awarded during civil cases (or settlements reached out of court) was likely to vary widely among passengers, based on the country where the proceedings were to take place. An American court could be expected to award upwards of US$8–10 million, while Chinese courts would be likely to award a small fraction of that amount.[325][326] Despite the announcement that the flight ended in the southern Indian Ocean, it was not until 29 January 2015 that the Malaysian government officially declared Flight 370 an accident with no survivors, a move that would allow compensation claims to be made.[327] The first civil case relating to the disappearance was filed in October 2014—even before Flight 370 had been declared an accident—on behalf of two Malaysian boys whose father was a passenger;[q] they were claiming for negligence in failing to contact the aircraft soon after it was lost and for breach of contract for failing to bring the passenger to his destination.[330] Additional civil proceedings against Malaysia Airlines were filed in China and Malaysia.[331]

Soon after the disappearance of Flight 370, Malaysia Airlines offered ex gratia condolence payments to families of the passengers. In China, the families were offered ¥31,000 (approx. US$5,000) "comfort money",[332] but some rejected the offer.[333] It was also reported that Malaysian relatives received only $2,000.[333] In June 2014, Malaysia's deputy Foreign Minister Hamzah Zainuddin said that families of seven passengers received $50,000 advance compensation from Malaysia Airlines, but that full payout would come after the aircraft was found, or officially declared lost[334] (which later occurred in January 2015).[327]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370

But cannot compare because it is deemed missing, probably have not declare yet using legal term

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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:31 AM)
This is just compensation kot. I am sure lawsuit inkambing
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they might put a clause if u get the compensation, you can’t sue them.
Else Airindia just giving everyone “bullets” to sue them back.

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they might put a clause if u get the compensation, you can’t sue them.
Else Airindia just giving everyone “bullets” to sue them back.
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Oh fuck them if they do that! Babi betul
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No idea

This is what i found in wiki
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370

But cannot compare because it is deemed missing, probably have not declare yet using legal term
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yes i agree. hard to make comparison.

Tata incident - fully under airlines' responsibility
Mas incidents- 1 kena tembak, 1 hilang
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BBC got that survivor weedo walking to ambulance, anyone can translate what Briton Indian says?

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1. Footage showed the aircraft climbing away from the runway then sinking back down towards the ground, before disappearing behind trees and bursting into flames. The plane crashed into a hostel housing medical students, doctors and their families in the Meghani Nagar residential area and at least 24 people on the ground died.

On Thursday night, Air India confirmed that 241 of those on board had been killed in the crash, with a Briton, Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, the sole survivor. The combined death toll makes it the world’s worst aviation disaster for more than a decade.

2. India’s home minister, Amit Shah, said the intense heat caused by burning jet fuel meant that had been little chance for anyone who survived impact to escape. “There was 125,000 litres of fuel inside the plane and it caught heat so it was impossible to save anyone,” he said. The final death toll would only be known after the DNA testing had been completed on the victims’ remains, he said.

Videos of the aftermath showed smoke rising over the area and firefighters on charred streets as people were moved on stretchers. In other images, people were seen assessing the damage while part of the mangled plane could be seen sticking out of a building. Pieces of the aircraft’s landing gear, fuselage and tail protruded from the wreckage. Residents said the crash sounded like a bomb blast and felt like an earthquake.

3.  Ramesh, from London, described seeing bodies all around him after the crash.

“Thirty seconds after takeoff, there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly,” Ramesh, who still had his boarding pass, told the Hindustan Times. He said he had “impact injuries”, including bruising on his chest, eyes and feet, but was otherwise lucid and conscious.

“When I got up, there were bodies all around me. I was scared. I stood up and ran. There were pieces of the plane all around me. Someone grabbed hold of me and put me in an ambulance and brought me to the hospital.”

4.  Vidhi Chaudhary, a police officer, told Reuters: “Approximately 294 have died. This includes some students as the plane crashed on the building where they were staying.”

Three of the Britons who died in the crash have been named as Akeel Nanabawa, his wife, Hannaa, and their four-year-old daughter, Sara, according to a statement posted by Gloucester Muslim Community on Facebook.

Air India’s chair, Natarajan Chandrasekaran, described the crash as a “tragic accident”.
5. According to air traffic control at Ahmedabad airport, the aircraft departed at 1.39pm (9.09am BST) from runway 23. It issued a mayday call after which nothing more was heard from the flight deck.

The 242 people onboard included two pilots and 10 cabin crew. The passengers included 217 adults, 11 children and two infants, according to Reuters. Of them, 169 were Indian nationals, 53 were Britons, seven Portuguese, and one Canadian, Air India said.
6. Tata Group, the parent company of Air India, said it would provide 10m rupees (£86,000) to the families of those killed in the crash. The company said it would also cover the medical costs of those injured and provide support in the “building up” of the medical college hit by the plane.

7. Residents told Agence France-Presse about the aftermath of the crash. “When we reached the spot there were several bodies lying around and firefighters were dousing the flames. Many of the bodies were burned,” said Poonam Patni.

Another witness, who did not want to be named, said: “We saw people from the building jumping from the second and third floor to save themselves. The plane was in flames. We helped people get out of the building and sent the injured to the hospital.”
8. The UK Foreign Office said officials were working with Indian authorities to establish the facts around the crash and provide support to those involved. Gatwick airport officials said a reception centre was being set up for relatives of the passengers.

The flight tracking website Flightradar24 said the signal from the aircraft was lost less than a minute after takeoff. In a post on X, it said: “We are following reports of a crash of Air India flight AI171 from Ahmedabad to London.

9 Doctors were at lunch in Ahmedabad hostel, then a plane crashed into their building

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/...board-ahmedabad
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QUOTE(skybleu05 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:54 AM)
yes i agree. hard to make comparison.

Tata incident - fully under airlines' responsibility
Mas incidents- 1 kena tembak, 1 hilang
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Thanks for the updates.
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QUOTE(skybleu05 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:39 AM)
how much were compensated by MAS for MH370 and MH17 incident?
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https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...o-mh370-victims
RM1.3 million to 2 families

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/i...-mh370-families
Insurers paid RM16.8 million to the next of kin for MH370

https://www.dw.com/en/two-years-on-malaysia...tims/a-19406634
Amounts to each family seem to be "on confidential terms" for MH17

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/...-a-fresh-search
Chinese next of kin had payouts reportedly ranging from 2.5m to 3m CNY

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-02/mala...-claims/7986706
Reports from Australia suggest that AUD250,000 was offered as settlement for per Australian victim



https://themalaysianreserve.com/2019/04/15/...mh17-tragedies/
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QUOTE(loutze @ Jun 13 2025, 11:56 AM)
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BBC got that survivor weedo walking to ambulance, anyone can translate what Briton Indian says?
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I alao dono bro, dont understand hindi
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wow, this well written

hope it is not the fuel is shit tier and cause both engine to produce poor thrust
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:27 AM)
1-2 year income for britons, portugese and canadian

air india will kena sue until upcar by these victims' family
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I tot you would say something like ccp provide more somefing like that
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QUOTE(kaizoku30 @ Jun 13 2025, 12:15 PM)
I tot you would say something like ccp provide more somefing like that
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so your fragile heart shattered by this?
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Their investigation will show pilot error biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:28 AM)
Yup, wait till lawsuite comes up. Air india probably kena bancrupt
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Their investigation will show pilot error  biggrin.gif
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You mean the mid runway take off?
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:28 AM)
Yup, wait till lawsuite comes up. Air india probably kena bancrupt
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Insurance will cover, why need bankrupt?
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Jun 13 2025, 12:36 PM)
You mean the mid runway take off?
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Airport cctv showed the plane took off at the end of the runway.

Edit: which is also quite suspicious, as if they failed to build up enough speed for lift off hence only lift off close to the runway end? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jun 13 2025, 12:39 PM)
Airport cctv showed the plane took off at the end of the runway.
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Of course it lifted (took off) at end of runway. There was a post in the original thread that shows the aircraft started off short mid runway. That thread in RWI now, take a read

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jun 13 2025, 12:39 PM)
Airport cctv showed the plane took off at the end of the runway.

Edit: which is also quite suspicious, as if they failed to build up enough speed for lift off hence only lift off close to the runway end? hmm.gif
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nothing wrong with the liftoff la. real experts suda komen.
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Jun 13 2025, 12:45 PM)
nothing wrong with the liftoff la. real experts suda komen.
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Right now all experts also comments based on incomplete info. You can easily find conflicting comments from different sources… tongue.gif
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Running theory is copilot retracted the flaps instead of the landing gear after take off

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Why top airline like Singapore airlines still use Boeing

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QUOTE(nobrainer86 @ Jun 13 2025, 12:48 PM)
Running theory is copilot retracted the flaps instead of the landing gear after take off
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Oh gosh. Was it an error by the copilot, we don’t know for sure. What is sure is the landing gears are clearly visible before crash (the vid)

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Jun 13 2025, 12:54 PM)
Oh gosh. Was it an error by the copilot, we don’t know for sure. What is sure is the landing gears are clearly visible before crash (the vid)
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If that's what happened then yes, big error.
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QUOTE(mac_mac21 @ Jun 13 2025, 12:25 PM)
Insurance will cover all la...
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QUOTE(BL98 @ Jun 13 2025, 12:35 PM)
Insurance kan ada
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jun 13 2025, 12:38 PM)
Insurance will cover, why need bankrupt?
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Hopefullly next of kin gets it
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QUOTE(katijar @ Jun 13 2025, 11:32 AM)
Ppl say airplanes is safe
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QUOTE(kel32 @ Jun 13 2025, 12:31 PM)
B777 record better than B787
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Er no. Guess which incident with the highest fatalities on 777 is from
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jun 13 2025, 12:47 PM)
Right now all experts also comments based on incomplete info. You can easily find conflicting comments from different sources… tongue.gif
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so ur info is the completest? ok
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Boeing again...
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Jun 13 2025, 12:48 PM)
Why top airline like Singapore airlines still use Boeing
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Be prepared Indian government apparatus will try to pin the blame on boeing.
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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Jun 13 2025, 01:50 PM)
so ur info is the completest? ok
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Did I made such claim? blush.gif
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QUOTE(daisuke @ Jun 13 2025, 11:34 AM)
that 1 guy that survive, must have protection of gods......either he did something good in his current life, or previous life
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QUOTE(daisuke @ Jun 13 2025, 11:34 AM)
that 1 guy that survive, must have protection of gods......either he did something good in his current life, or previous life
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he opened the emergency exit mid flight. maybe the reason the plane crashed?
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News video of the plane crash shows the landing gear not retracted soon after lift off = the plane started to gradually descend from about 600ft before crashing onto the ground with the landing gear extended.
....... Why was the landing gear not retracted soon after lift off.? airplane got problem.?

UPDATE: https://nypost.com/2025/06/12/world-news/sh...ore-it-crashed/ - Shocking video reportedly shows power failures inside Air India plane hours before it crashed: ‘Nothing is working’
By Anthony Blair
Published June 12, 2025, 2:55 p.m. ET


https://www.businesstoday.in/india/story/ai...0262-2025-06-13 - Air India crash: Flight AI171 flew with extended gear, retracted flaps; Experts analyse what went wrong
According to early visual analysis, the Dreamliner failed to follow normal flight configuration shortly after liftoff
- Jun 13, 2025 10:08 AM IST


https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=45530 - SEPTEMBER 2013 Harvard Business School CASE COLLECTION
Boeing 787: More Electric Architecture

Abstract:

The "more electric architecture" of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner represented a significant shift in the design of secondary power systems for commercial aircraft, compared to traditional designs that employed a mix of hydraulic, pneumatic, and electrical power. While the design promised improved fuel efficiency and lower operating costs, competitor Airbus was critical of some of the changes Boeing made. The case offers students the opportunity to understand the motivations and key enablers for the shift, and consider whether the approach is more risky than one taken by Airbus[ with its A350XWB .

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QUOTE(ycs @ Jun 13 2025, 11:43 AM)
This brother too soon raise shields to defend already

The investigation gonna be interesting
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 13 2025, 01:25 PM)
Hopefullly next of kin gets it
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Should be straight forward case

But victim on the ground mati katak?
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Fyi, .......

Gemini AI Overview

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner utilizes a "more electric" architecture, meaning it relies heavily on electricity to power various systems instead of traditional pneumatic or hydraulic systems. This shift towards electricity enhances fuel efficiency and reduces maintenance needs, making it a more environmentally friendly and cost-effective aircraft.

Key features of the 787's all-electric system:
- Bleed-less Air System:
The 787 eliminates the need for bleed air from the engines, which is traditionally used to power various systems like engine start and wing de-icing.
- Electric Power Generation and Distribution:
The 787 generates electricity using the engines and distributes it to different systems via more efficient power distribution units.
- Hydraulic and Pneumatic System Replacement:
Many systems previously powered by hydraulics and pneumatics are now powered by electricity.
- Benefits of the More Electric System:
Reduced Weight: Less wiring and the use of more efficient systems lead to a lighter aircraft.
- Improved Fuel Efficiency: The all-electric architecture contributes to the 787's overall fuel efficiency.
- Lower Maintenance Costs: Electric systems are generally easier to maintain than traditional pneumatic or hydraulic systems.

How the 787's more-electric system works: ...


The Air India B787 crashed soon after take-off (from about 600ft) with the landing gear still extended.

AFAP, please avoid flying on the new-fangled B787 "EV".
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:27 AM)
True. Probably next of kin might benefit like orphan kids or wife of deceased la
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500k for ur family

nah nope


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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 13 2025, 02:00 PM)
Be prepared Indian government apparatus will try to pin the blame on boeing.
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Their media already in overdrive spinning it


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QUOTE(mac_mac21 @ Jun 13 2025, 02:28 PM)
Should be straight forward case

But victim on the ground mati katak?
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I think ground victims compensation should also be included in the airline’s insurance policy to cover 3rd party liability caused by plane crash. Just like your car insurance would cover 3rd party damages if your car crashed into a house… hmm.gif
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Fyi, .......

https://www.aeroinside.com/aircraft-type/b7...87-8-dreamliner - Air safety incidents for Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner

= nearly every month, got 1 or 2 safety incidents.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 13 2025, 02:31 PM)
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Fyi, .......

Gemini AI Overview

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner utilizes a "more electric" architecture, meaning it relies heavily on electricity to power various systems instead of traditional pneumatic or hydraulic systems. This shift towards electricity enhances fuel efficiency and reduces maintenance needs, making it a more environmentally friendly and cost-effective aircraft.

Key features of the 787's all-electric system:
- Bleed-less Air System:
The 787 eliminates the need for bleed air from the engines, which is traditionally used to power various systems like engine start and wing de-icing.
- Electric Power Generation and Distribution:
The 787 generates electricity using the engines and distributes it to different systems via more efficient power distribution units.
- Hydraulic and Pneumatic System Replacement:
Many systems previously powered by hydraulics and pneumatics are now powered by electricity.
- Benefits of the More Electric System:
Reduced Weight: Less wiring and the use of more efficient systems lead to a lighter aircraft.
- Improved Fuel Efficiency: The all-electric architecture contributes to the 787's overall fuel efficiency.
- Lower Maintenance Costs: Electric systems are generally easier to maintain than traditional pneumatic or hydraulic systems.

How the 787's more-electric system works: ...


The Air India B787 crashed soon after take-off (from about 600ft) with the landing gear still extended.

AFAP, please avoid flying on the new-fangled B787 "EV".
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as far as india airlines are concerned , 90 percent of disasters are management related. my best guess are maintenance issues.

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Be prepared Indian government apparatus will try to pin the blame on boeing.
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To be fair, amdk also do that. Remember when mcas issues first come up they blame pilot?
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:24 AM)
RM 516, 000

Times 6 [average]
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How much were the payout for MH17 and MH370?
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QUOTE(Brotherjoe @ Jun 13 2025, 07:30 PM)
How much were the payout for MH17 and MH370?
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Already in the thread above, someone replied
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Does it sound like one of em Shaheed drones?

Ram air turbine deployed? Dual engine failure?


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Ppl say airplanes is safe
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Safer than bus for sure
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FDR recovered
CVR ongoing

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/ai...s-b2769288.html
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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Jun 13 2025, 08:09 PM)
Does it sound like one of em Shaheed drones?

Ram air turbine deployed? Dual engine failure?


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if the audio isn't doctored and it's original recorded sound, really sounds like propeller of the ram air turbine
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Highly likely pilot error. The inexperienced co pilot was supposed to retract the gear but he instead retracted the flaps . If you see the cockpit layout of the 787, the flap lever is nearer to the copilot seat while the gear lever is on the captain side.

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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 13 2025, 09:43 PM)
Highly likely pilot error. The inexperienced co pilot was supposed to retract the gear but he instead retracted the flaps . If you see the cockpit layout of the 787, the flap lever is nearer to the copilot seat while the gear lever is on the captain side.
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But yea, investigators have the FDR so very soon we will know...flap settings, engine performance...etc...


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Air India plane crash: Toll mounts to 274;

33 on-ground deaths confirmed
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/a...w/121838365.cms
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 13 2025, 09:43 PM)
Highly likely pilot error. The inexperienced co pilot was supposed to retract the gear but he instead retracted the flaps . If you see the cockpit layout of the 787, the flap lever is nearer to the copilot seat while the gear lever is on the captain side.
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If true its a very stupid and costly mistake

The levers are so different and obvious

Its like mistake handbrake for gearshift


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Is air asia have shares in air india?


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Air asia india


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QUOTE(Raddus @ Jun 14 2025, 02:09 PM)
If true its a very stupid and costly mistake

The levers are so different and obvious

Its like mistake handbrake for gearshift


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There's a system in the 787 that prevents you from retracting the flaps until a certain altitude as well

So yeah Kevin talking out of his ass again
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jun 14 2025, 02:24 PM)
There's a system in the 787 that prevents you from retracting the flaps until a certain altitude as well

So yeah Kevin talking out of his ass again
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Yup, that's right

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The Boeing 787 utilizes several mechanisms to prevent accidental flap lever movement, primarily through interlocks and electronic controls to ensure proper flap deployment and prevent inadvertent retraction, particularly during takeoff and landing. These mechanisms include physical detents on the flap lever and electronic monitoring systems that trigger alerts and potentially disengage the flap drive system if an issue is detected.

Here's a more detailed explanation:
Flap Lever Detents:
The flap lever is designed with specific detents or notches that correspond to different flap settings (e.g., takeoff, landing, cruise). These detents provide a physical resistance, making it harder to move the lever accidentally into an undesired position.

Electronic Monitoring:
The flight control electronics system monitors the flap lever position and compares it to the aircraft's speed, altitude, and other relevant parameters.

Asymmetry Detection:
If a flap asymmetry (where one flap is in a different position than the other) is detected, the system can shut down the flap drive system and trigger an alert in the cockpit.

Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS):
The GPWS may be set to "flap override" to prevent nuisance warnings during the approach if the flaps are not in the exact position expected by the system. This helps avoid unnecessary alerts when the flaps are being deployed or retracted.

Interlocks:
In certain configurations, the landing gear and flap levers may be interlocked, preventing the flap lever from being moved until the landing gear is down and locked, or vice versa. This prevents the flaps from being retracted prematurely or the landing gear from being raised with flaps extended.

Hydraulic Control:
The flap position is controlled by a hydraulic motor that is activated by signals from the flight control computer, which also monitors the flap position.

Warning Systems:
Various warning systems are in place to alert the crew to any malfunctions or incorrect flap settings, including visual and aural warnings.

Flight Control Computer:
The flight control computer is programmed to operate the flaps based on various inputs, including the flap lever position, airspeed, and altitude.

Flap Asymmetry Detection:
The flight control electronics cabinets are designed to detect flap asymmetry and send an EICAS (Engine-Indicating and Crew-Alerting System) message to the crew if asymmetry is detected.


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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 13 2025, 09:43 PM)
Highly likely pilot error. The inexperienced co pilot was supposed to retract the gear but he instead retracted the flaps . If you see the cockpit layout of the 787, the flap lever is nearer to the copilot seat while the gear lever is on the captain side.
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Unlikely, read above.
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Fyi, .......

https://www.aeroinside.com/aircraft-type/b7...87-8-dreamliner - Air safety incidents for Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner

= nearly every month, got 1 or 2 safety incidents. Eg .......

American B788 at Miami on Mar 28th 2025, gear problem on departure
Last Update: March 30, 2025 / 19:20:16 GMT/Zulu time

American B788 at Miami on Nov 6th 2024, gear door problem (on departure)
Last Update: November 13, 2024 / 20:39:12 GMT/Zulu time

American B788 at Amsterdam on Jan 7th 2025, flap problem on departure
Last Update: January 9, 2025 / 17:17:56 GMT/Zulu time


Also, Ahmedabad afternoon temperature is around 40*C in June/summer = poorer flight performance. .......

https://www.businesstoday.in/india/story/ai...0262-2025-06-13 - Air India crash: Flight AI171 flew with extended gear, retracted flaps; Experts analyse what went wrong
According to early visual analysis, the Dreamliner failed to follow normal flight configuration shortly after liftoff
- Jun 13, 2025 10:08 AM IST

.... In this case, visuals showed the gear beginning to retract but quickly extending again, possibly in reaction to an unexpected loss of thrust or a power issue.

Experts point to two possible scenarios: either a mechanical or hydraulic failure that kept the landing gear stuck in the down position, or a crew decision to retract the flaps prematurely to offset drag caused by the extended gear. Both situations are highly risky, especially at low altitude and speed, where premature flap retraction could drastically reduce lift and raise the risk of a stall. ...


Why the landing gear not retracted when the airplane had reached 600 feet after takeoff, before it gradually lost altitude until crashing on the ground.???
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 14 2025, 03:01 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://www.aeroinside.com/aircraft-type/b7...87-8-dreamliner - Air safety incidents for Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner

= nearly every month, got 1 or 2 safety incidents. Eg .......

American B788 at Miami on Mar 28th 2025, gear problem on departure
Last Update: March 30, 2025 / 19:20:16 GMT/Zulu time

American B788 at Miami on Nov 6th 2024, gear door problem [i](on departure)

Last Update: November 13, 2024 / 20:39:12 GMT/Zulu time

American B788 at Amsterdam on Jan 7th 2025, flap problem on departure
Last Update: January 9, 2025 / 17:17:56 GMT/Zulu time
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Also, Ahmedabad afternoon temperature is around 40*C in June/summer = poorer flight performance. .......

https://www.businesstoday.in/india/story/ai...0262-2025-06-13 - Air India crash: Flight AI171 flew with extended gear, retracted flaps; Experts analyse what went wrong
According to early visual analysis, the Dreamliner failed to follow normal flight configuration shortly after liftoff
- Jun 13, 2025 10:08 AM IST

.... In this case, visuals showed the gear beginning to retract but quickly extending again, possibly in reaction to an unexpected loss of thrust or a power issue.

Experts point to two possible scenarios: either a mechanical or hydraulic failure that kept the landing gear stuck in the down position, or a crew decision to retract the flaps prematurely to offset drag caused by the extended gear. Both situations are highly risky, especially at low altitude and speed, where premature flap retraction could drastically reduce lift and raise the risk of a stall. ...


Why the landing gear not retracted when the airplane had reached 600 feet after takeoff, before it gradually lost altitude until crashing on the ground.???
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Maintenance issue i supposed.
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Noob also how to make such mistake
It's not /k flying the plane 😆

user posted image
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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Jun 14 2025, 03:04 PM)
Noob also how to make such mistake
It's not /k flying the plane 😆

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Kenot simply press flap lol. Have u flown 787 or not ? Pilots gonna laff at you

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jun 14 2025, 02:24 PM)
There's a system in the 787 that prevents you from retracting the flaps until a certain altitude as well

So yeah Kevin talking out of his ass again
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Thats why, before debating with me, go get more information first. Dont come here talk cock “oh its impossible to retract the flaps until a certain altitude”

Anything that is created by humans can anytime have errors or flaws . A great example for that inexperienced mind of yours would be “mcas”

No system created by humans is perfect especially not with Air India who has such a poor track record in aircraft maintenance .

Even Tesla with so called autopilot system also can crash la stupid.

So yeah, i hope after u have a good time with your gay buddy Kevin, pls go and research harder and get back to me


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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:07 PM)
Kenot simply press flap lol. Have u flown 787 or not ? Pilots gonna laff at you
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In India, anything is possible. You know how much alcohol they drink a day?
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:15 PM)
In India, anything is possible. You know how much alcohol they drink a day?
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You cannot fly plane without medical certicate from doc for every flight (long haul).

If u dont belip, ask a pilot friend
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:18 PM)
You cannot fly plane without medical certicate from doc for every flight (long haul).

If u dont belip, ask a pilot friend
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What is stopping them from drinking after they have obtained approval from doc?

If u hv been to india, u would know how they operate

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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:21 PM)
What is stopping them from drinking after they have obtained approval from doc?

If u hv been to india, u would know how they operate
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Medical cert obtained on the same flight day. You kenot drink mabuk without passing security.

Dont be stupid, kevin.
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Jun 13 2025, 02:10 PM)
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News video of the plane crash shows the landing gear not retracted soon after lift off = the plane started to gradually descend from about 600ft  before crashing onto the ground with the landing gear extended.
....... Why was the landing gear not retracted soon after lift off.? airplane got problem.?

UPDATE: https://nypost.com/2025/06/12/world-news/sh...ore-it-crashed/ - Shocking video reportedly shows power failures inside Air India plane hours before it crashed: ‘Nothing is working’
By Anthony Blair
Published June 12, 2025, 2:55 p.m. ET


https://www.businesstoday.in/india/story/ai...0262-2025-06-13 - Air India crash: Flight AI171 flew with extended gear, retracted flaps; Experts analyse what went wrong
According to early visual analysis, the Dreamliner failed to follow normal flight configuration shortly after liftoff
- Jun 13, 2025 10:08 AM IST


https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=45530 - SEPTEMBER 2013  Harvard Business School CASE COLLECTION
Boeing 787: More Electric Architecture

Abstract:

The "more electric architecture" of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner represented a significant shift in the design of secondary power systems for commercial aircraft, compared to traditional designs that employed a mix of hydraulic, pneumatic, and electrical power. While the design promised improved fuel efficiency and lower operating costs, competitor Airbus was critical of some of the changes Boeing made. The case offers students the opportunity to understand the motivations and key enablers for the shift, and consider whether the approach is more risky than one taken by Airbus[ with its A350XWB .

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Fyi, .......

Gemini AI Overview

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner utilizes a "more electric" architecture, meaning it relies heavily on electricity to power various systems instead of traditional pneumatic or hydraulic systems. This shift towards electricity enhances fuel efficiency and reduces maintenance needs, making it a more environmentally friendly and cost-effective aircraft.

Key features of the 787's all-electric system:
- Bleed-less Air System:
The 787 eliminates the need for bleed air from the engines, which is traditionally used to power various systems like engine start and wing de-icing.
- Electric Power Generation and Distribution:
The 787 generates electricity using the engines and distributes it to different systems via more efficient power distribution units.
- Hydraulic and Pneumatic System Replacement:
Many systems previously powered by hydraulics and pneumatics are now powered by electricity.
- Benefits of the More Electric System:
Reduced Weight: Less wiring and the use of more efficient systems lead to a lighter aircraft.
- Improved Fuel Efficiency: The all-electric architecture contributes to the 787's overall fuel efficiency.
- Lower Maintenance Costs: Electric systems are generally easier to maintain than traditional pneumatic or hydraulic systems.

How the 787's more-electric system works: ...


The Air India B787 crashed soon after take-off (from about 600ft) with the landing gear still extended.

AFAP, please avoid flying on the new-fangled B787 "EV".
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Fyi, .......

https://www.aeroinside.com/aircraft-type/b7...87-8-dreamliner - Air safety incidents for Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner

= nearly every month, got 1 or 2 safety incidents. Eg .......

American B788 at Miami on Mar 28th 2025, gear problem on departure
Last Update: March 30, 2025 / 19:20:16 GMT/Zulu time

American B788 at Miami on Nov 6th 2024, gear door problem (on departure)
Last Update: November 13, 2024 / 20:39:12 GMT/Zulu time

American B788 at Amsterdam on Jan 7th 2025, flap problem on departure
Last Update: January 9, 2025 / 17:17:56 GMT/Zulu time


Also, Ahmedabad afternoon temperature is around 40*C in June/summer = poorer flight performance. .......

https://www.businesstoday.in/india/story/ai...0262-2025-06-13 - Air India crash: Flight AI171 flew with extended gear, retracted flaps; Experts analyse what went wrong
According to early visual analysis, the Dreamliner failed to follow normal flight configuration shortly after liftoff
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.... In this case, visuals showed the gear beginning to retract but quickly extending again, possibly in reaction to an unexpected loss of thrust or a power issue.

Experts point to two possible scenarios: either a mechanical or hydraulic failure that kept the landing gear stuck in the down position, or a crew decision to retract the flaps prematurely to offset drag caused by the extended gear. Both situations are highly risky, especially at low altitude and speed, where premature flap retraction could drastically reduce lift and raise the risk of a stall. ...


Why the landing gear not retracted when the airplane had reached 600 feet after takeoff, before it gradually lost altitude until crashing on the ground.???
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Maintenance issue i supposed.
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Maybe it's due to the new all-electric B787 system, ie somehow there was not enough electrical power to drive the electric motors that drive the hydraulic pumps to retract the very heavy landing gears after takeoff. Normally, an airplane can still fly with the landing gear extended, but if this happens to a B787 operating at its maximum limit, eg full load and hot summer afternoon temperature, it can result in a crash after takeoff.
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Maybe it's due to the new all-electric B787 system, ie somehow there was not enough electrical power to drive the electric motors that drive the hydraulic pumps to retract the very heavy landing gears after takeoff. Normally, an airplane can still fly with the landing gear extended, but if this happens to a B787 operating at its maximum limit, eg full load and hot summer afternoon temperature, it can result in a crash after takeoff.
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Yup, my instinct point to plane service record. Did the maintenance crew did not do their job ? Contaminated fuels ?
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Medical cert obtained on the same flight day. You kenot drink mabuk without passing security.

Dont be stupid, kevin.
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Hahahaha, as i said , its india. Anything is possible dumb dumb. Travel more, seems like u think the whole world is like Singapore
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Hahahaha, as i said , its india. Anything is possible dumb dumb. Travel more, seems like u think the whole world is like Singapore
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Sigh, no wonder you have a 5 year old child mind. Ok carry one. Ayam no time to stoop to your lebel lol
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:14 PM)
Thats why, before debating with me, go get more information first. Dont come here talk cock “oh its impossible to retract the flaps until a certain altitude”

Anything that is created by humans can anytime have errors or flaws. A great example for that inexperienced mind of yours would be “mcas”

No system created by humans is perfect especially not with Air India who has such a poor track record in aircraft maintenance .

Even Tesla with so called autopilot system also can crash la stupid.

So yeah, i hope after u have a good time with your gay buddy Kevin, pls go and research harder and get back to me
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You want to read back what you posted anot my son?

Your previous post say HIGHLY LIKELY PILOT ERROR

Now you pusing and say is software issue after kena called out? biggrin.gif

But I'm not surprised considering you are someone well known with limited intellectual capacity

QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 13 2025, 09:43 PM)
Highly likely pilot error. The inexperienced co pilot was supposed to retract the gear but he instead retracted the flaps . If you see the cockpit layout of the 787, the flap lever is nearer to the copilot seat while the gear lever is on the captain side.
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Must be due to maintenance issues, they either cut corners or don't know how to maintain the plane properly. 😅
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:27 PM)
Medical cert obtained on the same flight day. You kenot drink mabuk without passing security.

Dont be stupid, kevin.
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AFAIK, pilots have to undergo physical medical check-ups every 6 months, ie to certify they are physically fit to fly, but there is no breathalyser tests for alcoholism or blood tests for drug addiction. Eg diabetes, heart disease, mental disorder, etc disqualify.
....... The above ailments plus hernia, color blindness, short-sightedness, criminal record, etc disqualify a person from becoming a cadet pilot.

Only government/ICAO regulations require pilots to not drink any alcohol 24 hours before flight. This is based on the Honor system, eg no breathalyser tests for "drunk flying" conducted by the airport police. Mabuk pilots are often reported to the authorities by others, eg bc they reeked with the alcohol smell or walked unsteadily. ......

https://www.faa.gov/faq/what-medical-condit...r-disqualifying - What medical conditions does FAA consider disqualifying
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gonna wait for mentour's version
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You want to read back what you posted anot my son?

Your previous post say HIGHLY LIKELY PILOT ERROR

Now you pusing and say is software issue?

But I'm not surprised considering you are someone well known with limited intellectual capacity
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“There's a system in the 787 that prevents you from retracting the flaps until a certain altitude as well”

Well, thats what u replied to me. And my response was to your reply saying that there is a system that prevents the pilot from retracting the flaps.

I then said “any system created by humans can have flaws” which means that your so called “safety system which prevents pilots from retracting the flaps until certain altitude can be flawed” and somehow the pilot managed to retract the flaps by mistake bypassing the flawed safety system

Aiyoyo, little boy. U have such poor understanding of the english language that you dont even understand what u typed.

Very embarrassing for u lah. Shows that your intelligence level is far far below me
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:58 PM)
mentour ball kecut one, wont make any comment until final report
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deswai i prefer his version because it based on final report + his opinion instead of speculative noise right now.
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:59 PM)
“There's a system in the 787 that prevents you from retracting the flaps until a certain altitude as well”

Well, thats what u replied to me. And my response was to your reply saying that there is a system that prevents the pilot from retracting the flaps.

I then said “any system created by humans can have flaws” which means that your so called “safety system which prevents pilots from retracting the flaps until certain altitude can be flawed” and somehow the pilot managed to retract the flaps by mistake bypassing the flawed safety system

Aiyoyo, little boy. U have such poor understanding of the english language that you dont even understand what u typed.

Very embarrassing for u lah. Shows that your intelligence level is far far below me
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Don't try to spin around anymore lah

You are the one who started with "highly likely pilot error"

Now where's your justification and proof for pilot error?

Do you know what is pilot error anot?

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and somehow the pilot managed to retract the flaps by mistake bypassing the flawed safety system


You think bypassing a safety system is as easy as pushing a button ke? You think this is your car can simply turn off safety system?

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 14 2025, 03:54 PM)
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AFAIK, pilots have to undergo physical medical check-ups every 6 months, ie to certify they are physically fit to fly, but there is no breathalyser tests for alcoholism or blood tests for drug addiction. Eg diabetes, heart disease, mental disorder, etc disqualify.
....... The above ailments plus hernia, color blindness, short-sightedness, criminal record, etc disqualify a person from becoming a cadet pilot.

Only government/ICAO regulations require pilots to not drink any alcohol 24 hours before flight. This is based on the Honor system, eg no breathalyser tests for "drunk flying" conducted by the airport police. Mabuk pilots are often reported to the authorities by others, eg bc they reeked with the alcohol smell or walked unsteadily. ......

https://www.faa.gov/faq/what-medical-condit...r-disqualifying - What medical conditions does FAA consider disqualifying
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Thanks for the info. The above joker thinks there is a doctor following every pilot up till the cockpit of the plane to make sure he doesnt drink before flights
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jun 14 2025, 04:01 PM)
deswai i prefer his version because it based on final report + his opinion instead of speculative noise right now.
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it will take a year+ for real final report. by the time nobody care lol
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Don't try to spin around anymore lah

You are the one who started with "highly likely pilot error"

Now where's your justification and proof for pilot error?
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Hahahahaa, who is the one spinning now? I said pilot error

U said there is a system that prevents pilots from retracting flaps till certain altitude.

I said any system created by humans can be flawed and have issues hence the pilot could have MISTAKENLY RETRACTED THE FLAPS BYPASSING YOUR SO CALLED FLAWED SAFETY SYSTEM

THAT IS THE ERROR. THE PILOT PULLED ON THE WRONG LEVER

NOW U wanna pusing say where is my proof for pilot error

Sohai, the debate got nothing to do with proof for pilot error. Its your stupidity to think that every safety system is 100% working all the time.

Dont pusing anymore ya. Now is ur best time to backoff and save urself from more embarrassment
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 14 2025, 04:05 PM)
Hahahahaa, who is the one spinning now? I said pilot error

U said there is a system that prevents pilots from retracting flaps till certain altitude.

I said any system created by humans can be flawed and have issues hence the pilot could have MISTAKENLY RETRACTED THE FLAPS BYPASSING YOUR SO CALLED FLAWED SAFETY SYSTEM

THAT IS THE ERROR. THE PILOT PULLED ON THE WRONG LEVER

NOW U wanna pusing say where is my proof for pilot error

Sohai, the debate got nothing to do with proof for pilot error. Its your stupidity to think that every safety system is 100% working all the time.

Dont pusing anymore ya. Now is ur best time to backoff and save urself from more embarrassment
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I said any system created by humans can be flawed and have issues hence the pilot could have MISTAKENLY RETRACTED THE FLAPS BYPASSING YOUR SO CALLED FLAWED SAFETY SYSTEM


It's obvious you dont know the difference between software flaw and pilot error now. It's OK now this is another knowledge added to your limited capacity of it

Btw tmr father's day, please be grateful to him that he decided not to wear on that fateful day wink.gif


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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 14 2025, 04:01 PM)
Thanks for the info. The above joker thinks there is a doctor following every pilot up till the cockpit of the plane to make sure he doesnt drink before flights
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Mabuk pilots are often reported to the authorities by others, eg bc they reeked with the alcohol smell or walked unsteadily. ......


Ada paham ka bodo ?
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jun 14 2025, 04:09 PM)
It's obvious you dont know the difference between software flaw and pilot error now. It's OK now this is another knowledge added to your limited capacity of it

Btw tmr father's day, please be grateful to him that he decided not to wear on that fateful day wink.gif
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You are arguing with kevin. Dont go to his level of bodohness
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jun 14 2025, 04:01 PM)
Don't try to spin around anymore lah

You are the one who started with "highly likely pilot error"

Now where's your justification and proof for pilot error?

Do you know what is pilot error anot?
You think bypassing a safety system is as easy as pushing a button ke? You think this is your car can simply turn off safety system?
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Oh u finally realised your stupidity?

Pilot error - the pilot retracted the flaps instead of the gear lever. U understand this?

As i said, its not about switching off the safety system. Its the safety system which failed at the wrong time. The same thing thathappened to the 737-Max where the MCAS failed at the wrong time. The pilots didnt switch it on or off.
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jun 14 2025, 04:09 PM)
It's obvious you dont know the difference between software flaw and pilot error now. It's OK now this is another knowledge added to your limited capacity of it

Btw tmr father's day, please be grateful to him that he decided not to wear on that fateful day wink.gif
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Ohmy, your english is so so bad that u dont even understand what u typed.

From the start i never said it was a software flaw. I said pilot error where the pilot retracted the flaps instead of gear.

Its you the bodo one who said that flaps cant be retracted till a certain altitude because of the 787 safety system.

Kesian, still dont want to admit ur dumbness and then want to pusing asking me for proof for “pilot error”

Its pilot error because if the pilot retracted the landing gear then none of this would have happened

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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 14 2025, 04:10 PM)
Ada paham ka bodo ?
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By the time reported, the flight already took off d lah sohai
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 14 2025, 04:14 PM)
By the time reported, the flight already took off d lah sohai
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Dei bodo, u think security and immi wont flag him ah ?
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Dei bodo, u think security and immi wont flag him ah ?
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Hello dumb dumb, what makes u think he drinks alcohol before immi and security?

U think he cant drink alcohol in the cockpit?
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What we have learned?

GET THE SEAT NEXT TO EMERGENCY EXIT!
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Wasn't the air canada or something where the emergency door came off whilst flying?
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Hello dumb dumb, what makes u think he drinks alcohol before immi and security?

U think he cant drink alcohol in the cockpit?
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Eh, tell me. How do u think he can bring alcohol in the cockpit, u dimwitt ??

U think stewardess will bring it to him ??

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Eh, tell me. How do u think he can bring alcohol in the cockpit, u dimwitt ??

U think stewardess will bring it to him ??
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So many ways lah dumb dumb. You think India is like Singapore is it?

Then tell me on the last incident where an Indian pilot was found to be drunk on duty, how did he get pass immi and security?

Its India la dude, anything is possible. Just shake the head 2 times and its all settled.

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So many ways lah dumb dumb. You think India is like Singapore is it?

Then tell me on the last incident where an Indian pilot was found to be drunk on duty, how did he get pass immi and security?

Its India la dude, anything is possible. Just shake the head 2 times and its all settled.
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Bodo, no one is allowed to serve captain and copilot any alcohol. Not only you are dumfuck, also a racist fuck. Stick to your iphone if you dono anything about aviation regulations
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jun 14 2025, 04:01 PM)
deswai i prefer his version because it based on final report + his opinion instead of speculative noise right now.
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But final report will take a long time. 😁

And I watch many many episodes of air crash investigations, mentour, green dot to learn a bit...so I'm dying to know what went wrong like many...

But yea some peeps like they already know fo sure what happened lar like flaps not down when video tak nampak apa pun... 😆
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 14 2025, 04:48 PM)
Bodo, no one is allowed to serve captain and copilot any alcohol. Not only you are dumfuck, also a racist fuck. Stick to your iphone if you dono anything about aviation regulations
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Of course on paper "no one is allowed to serve the captain alcohol"

You think in India they follow rules? U can bribe anyone to settle something for u . If u think corruption in Malaysia is bad, wait till you see the corruption in India, its 100x worse than here.

The pilot could have simply bought duty free alcohol and put it in his carry on bag.

U still have not answered me on how a Air India pilot ended up being drunk on duty and was subsequently sacked.
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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Jun 14 2025, 04:49 PM)
But final report will take a long time. 😁

And I watch many many episodes of air crash investigations, mentour, green dot to learn a bit...so I'm dying to know what went wrong like many...

But yea some peeps like they already know fo sure what happened lar like flaps not down when video tak nampak apa pun... 😆
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OTOH, the video got show the landing gears not retracted after liftoff / takeoff, which is not normal, and then the plane could not climb = crashed to the ground from about 600 feet. Why was the LG not retracted.? From this abnormality, we can already agak-agak the few causes of the plane crash. Also, there were reports of B787 safety incidents of the LG or flaps not retracting on departure.
....... Of course, only the final report by NTSB/FAA/Boeing/India will give the exact cause.

Sini /kopitiam kan.?
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 14 2025, 05:00 PM)
Of course on paper "no one is allowed to serve the captain alcohol"

You think in India they follow rules? U can bribe anyone to settle something for u . If u think corruption in Malaysia is bad, wait till you see the corruption in India, its 100x worse than here.

The pilot could have simply bought duty free alcohol and put it in his carry on bag.

U still have not answered me on how a Air India pilot ended up being drunk on duty and was subsequently sacked.
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Dear bodo the kevin, that incident happened outside of india, it was in phuket.

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NEW DELHI: Air India has terminated services of a pilot who tested positive for alcohol consumption after operating an international flight back to India.


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Taking a tough stand, the Tata group airline is also working on filing an FIR against the captain who had operated a Phuket-Delhi flight last week and was subjected to a breathalyser (BA) test on arrival. Comments were sought from Air India on this issue and awaited till the time of going to press.


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The pilot was doing a training flight for a new captain. While pilots and cabin crew operating domestic flights have to undergo pre-flight BA tests (as no alcohol is available/served/sold on flights within India), post-flight tests are conducted on flight crew operating international flights (where alcohol is available.)



U know how stupid u look now ?

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Crash site is crawling with civilians looking around and taking things

Even Somalia would have cordon off the crash site immediately

Do the rest of the deduction related to the crash yourself
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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Jun 14 2025, 04:49 PM)
But final report will take a long time. 😁

And I watch many many episodes of air crash investigations, mentour, green dot to learn a bit...so I'm dying to know what went wrong like many...

But yea some peeps like they already know fo sure what happened lar like flaps not down when video tak nampak apa pun... 😆
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well, good things takes time

at least we know that the final report has been thoroughly investigated.
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 14 2025, 05:07 PM)
Dear bodo  the kevin, that incident happened outside of india, it was in phuket.
U know how stupid u look now ?
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Dumb dumb, thailand is equally corrupt as India ya. Besides, the pilot could hv bought duty free alcohol and brought it on board

Phuket is also alcohol and party haven. Weird that u dont know this

Next time google harder

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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 14 2025, 05:07 PM)
Dear bodo  the kevin, that incident happened outside of india, it was in phuket.
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The pilot was doing a training flight for a new captain. While pilots and cabin crew operating domestic flights have to undergo pre-flight BA tests (as no alcohol is available/served/sold on flights within India), post-flight tests are conducted on flight crew operating international flights (where alcohol is available.)

U know how stupid u look now ?
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Seems only the Indian CAA requires preflight or postflight BA tests on flight crews.
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 14 2025, 05:21 PM)
Dumb dumb, thailand is equally corrupt as India ya. Besides, the pilot could hv bought duty free alcohol and brought it on board

Phuket is also alcohol and party haven. Weird that u dont know this

Next time google harder
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Again dumbfuck kevin, read. Pilot getting drunk was from overseas to delhi. Is there INDIA CAA in phuket immigration ? Think la bodo


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U know how stupid u look now ?
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Seems only the Indian CAA requires preflight or postflight BA tests on flight crews.
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Exactly, deswai i said kevin is a dumbfuck. Issue is the fight crash happened in india, not overseas.

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I think ground victims compensation should also be included in the airline’s insurance policy to cover 3rd party liability caused by plane crash. Just like your car insurance would cover 3rd party damages if your car crashed into a house… hmm.gif
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Yes , but insurance will have hard time to prove genuine claim

Means is the claimant really die or injured directly because of the crash , or insurance just open tap for everyone who coming forward
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Yes , but insurance will have hard time to prove genuine claim

Means is the claimant really die or injured directly because of the crash , or insurance just open tap for everyone who coming forward
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The local authority would have the name list of affected victims of the crashed site, which they rescued on site. I don’t see how anyone can simply claimed to be victims of the crashed site. confused.gif
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The local authority would have the name list of affected victims of the crashed site, which they rescued on site. I don’t see how anyone can simply claimed to be victims of the crashed site.  :confused:
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leading theory now is that the copilot had mistakenly retracted the flaps instead of landing gear

causing a loss of lift, then into a full power on stall
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Unofficial / unverified...

Some sources saying last msg to ATC was a mayday call by Captain Sumeet Sabharwal.

If comms with ATC was being conducted by Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, then he was the pilot monitoring?
Isn't the pilot monitoring the one responsible for retracting the gear?

Once positive climb is attained, pilot monitoring would verbalize it, pilot flying would confirm and call for gear up.
Pilot monitoring would then carry out the gear retraction.

Seems unlikely for an experienced line training captain to make a noob mistake like retracting the flaps instead of the gear?



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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Jun 14 2025, 09:37 PM)
Unofficial / unverified...

Some sources saying last msg to ATC was a mayday call by Captain Sumeet Sabharwal.

If comms with ATC was being conducted by Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, then he was the pilot monitoring?
Isn't the pilot monitoring the one responsible for retracting the gear?

Once positive climb is attained, pilot monitoring would verbalize it, pilot flying would confirm and call for gear up.
Pilot monitoring would then carry out the gear retraction.

Seems unlikely for an experienced line training captain to make a noob mistake like retracting the flaps instead of the gear?
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For the take-off config warnings. It is correct that you would hear an audible warning that could not be shut off. So the crew would know that they were not properly configured, which reduces the likelihood of no flaps / no slats at all. However, if the performance inputs were wrong (flap setting too low, inadequate thrust in case of a derated take-off and lower V speeds), they may not have had those warnings. It is worth noting that the accidents with no flaps result in an unstable airplane straight after lift-off. In this case the aircraft seems relatively stable and is able to climb for the first few seconds after lift-off, which to me could point more to a loss of thrust scenario.  

Flap/Slat position – I don't think there were no flaps at all in flight. A flap setting of 5 or 15 is barely visible for a 787. In video 1, as the aircraft flies past, it does not look like a clean wing to me. Looking at pictures of the crash site with the wing, slats are deployed. However, this could be due to the autogap function - “at high AOA, autogap fully extends the slats to increase the wing camber, thus increasing the lift and margin to stall”. Thus, may not reflect the actual setting of the flaps/slats from the start of take-off. Also some of the experts in the media don't seem to have really done their homework.

I’ve seen reports that the aircraft was in a poor condition due to the state of its cabin. I think its important to remember that cabin furnishings and cleaning has nothing to do with the aircraft’s ability to fly, and is more of a customer service aspect (although I understand it’s a poor reflection on the airline). The correct maintenance program to keep the aircraft airworthy is a separate need that airlines must demonstrate to their respective airworthiness authorities.  

 

Most important part, I have found some more evidence which strongly indicates a dual engine failure/flameout. 

The only survivor’s account in a more recent video (NDTV); He mentions that 5-10 seconds after liftoff that the plane seemed to be ‘stuck’ [I think that is referring to the obvious deceleration as seen in the CCTV video which would be fully explained by a significant loss of thrust]. Then he said that a bit later, ‘green and white’ lights came on [if correct, this would likely be the emergency lighting system, especially as he was sat at the emergency exit row with the signs close to him]. This fully tracks with a dual engine failure [the emergency lighting which would be armed at that stage of flight. would automatically switch if you lose the normal electrical system]. In this interview he does not mention the loud bang as reported earlier. The poor man is obviously in shock and I wish the media would give him some space.  

The distinctive sound of the RAT. There is a noise at the start of video 1 (on the versions with the original noise), which does not correspond to engine sound. This is almost certainly the RAT, based on another video of a 787 flying past with the RAT deployed. Based on the trigger conditions of the RAT, one or both engines and the electrical system would not have been working. 

I forgot to mention the landing gear retraction also (not considering the drag aspect, but the ability to even retract the gear). I think for a split second you can see the main gear starts to retract but then it stops, this is around the time that there is no longer positive climb. This would make sense in case of a dual engine failure and the switch to emergency systems means only a gravity gear extension would be possible (but no hydraulic power to actuate LG doors and retract the gear itself).  

The reports of what the pilot communication with ATC was exactly, I’m not convinced is from an accurate source. But the Mayday call alone as I said before, shows the crew were aware of a desperate situation on board. And in case of a dual engine failure, they wouldn’t have had the chance to do much at that stage.

 

This would be unprecedented for a large commercial aircraft to have lost power completely on take-off. This is a catastrophic condition which would leave the crew with no option. The residual energy will only allow the aircraft to cross beyond the airport perimeter and inevitable crash land soon after, with no chance of return. The is why engines and aircraft have robust designs and interfaces to each other to avoid common mode failures. Independence is maintained between the two engines and their source of fuel and the engine feed system etc. Systems and their associated software that are involved in critical functions are designed to the highest Development Assurance Levels (DALs for those familiar) and have detailed safety assessments. So, it is difficult to comprehend how this may have occurred. The chances of both engines having some sort of internal failure event (same type or different) at a similar time is almost impossible [in the absence of a common external event like a bird strike, debris ingestion, volcanic ash etc...]. It is even more difficult to comprehend given the engines worked fine at the start of the take-off. And the aircraft had successfully completed a flight just before this sector with a 2-3 hour turn-aorund.  

I tried to dive a bit deeper into some causes of dual engine flameout, but specific to this accident: 

Fuel exhaustion >> Not in this case. There was plenty of fuel on board (massive post-crash fire) 

Fuel Supply Interruption >> Unlikely for both engines at the same time as systems are redundant. 787 Fuel System has 2 pumps in each wing tank and 2 in the center tank. Engines also can suction feed if all pumps fail (available in this case as the aircraft was at ground level, suction feed will not work above certain altitudes). Something similar to BA38 but no ice in this case?

Fuel Contamination / FOD in tanks (leading to supply interruption) >> This is more likely than a pure system failure to deliver fuel to the engines. Contaminated fuel can have unexpected consequences on the fuel system and engine fuel delivery to the combustors (see Cathay Pacific Flight 780 for example) 

Software bug (engine control) >> Very unlikely given this is a critical function. Numerous protections should be built for this.

External common event:   Bird strike, FOD, ice, rain/hail, volcanic ash etc  >> There is no evidence of fire, smoke, or debris, or backfiring from the engines (or other visible external damage). The CCTV covers a fair section of the take-off roll with not much being observed to indicate catastrophic failure. 

Maintenance error >> It is difficult to think of a maintenance error that would affect both engines but is possible.  

Other causes or contributing factors >> Manufacturing flaw specific to this MSN, Design flaw. Or could be really be a one in a billion occurrence that could not have been predicted. 
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 14 2025, 09:50 PM)
Exactly
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= to blame Boeing.?
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Mana itu ATC recording, "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday, No Power, No Thrust, Going Down.".?
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 14 2025, 10:57 PM)
= to blame Boeing.?
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Mana itu ATC recording, "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday, No Power, No Thrust, Going Down.".?
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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Jun 14 2025, 09:37 PM)
Unofficial / unverified...

Some sources saying last msg to ATC was a mayday call by Captain Sumeet Sabharwal.

If comms with ATC was being conducted by Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, then he was the pilot monitoring?
Isn't the pilot monitoring the one responsible for retracting the gear?

Once positive climb is attained, pilot monitoring would verbalize it, pilot flying would confirm and call for gear up.
Pilot monitoring would then carry out the gear retraction.

Seems unlikely for an experienced line training captain to make a noob mistake like retracting the flaps instead of the gear?
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 14 2025, 09:50 PM)
Exactly
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If the ATC communication is true, then it means the aircraft lost all engine power/thrust at about 600 feet after takeoff. The BIG question still is, why the landing gear was still not retracted at that point.?
....... Note that, AFAIK, the landing gear is normally retracted very soon after lift off from the runway (after the takeoff run), ie once positive (rate of) climb has been achieved, ie at around 100 feet, and not at above 600 feet.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 14 2025, 11:16 PM)
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If  the ATC communication is true, then it means the aircraft lost all engine power/thrust at about 600 feet after takeoff. The BIG question still is, why the landing gear was still not retracted at that point.?
....... Note that, AFAIK, the landing gear is normally retracted very soon after lift off from the runway (after the takeoff run), ie once positive (rate of) climb has been achieved, ie at around 100 feet, and not at above 600 feet.
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I read the plane was only about 400+- feet in the air. The airport is about 200+- feet above sea level.

Anyway.

If. If, ada dual engine problem and the plane did not achieve or sustain a postive rate of climb.
Could it be the reason?


Also, the plane crashed 32s after takeoff.

I think the pilots were focused on the engines?
If engine tak hidup, raise gear also, plane will glide another X meters and still crash?



Ok, admittedly.

If he had glided double the distance, he could have reached the SabarMati River,
saved everyone and become India's Sully?


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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Jun 14 2025, 11:30 PM)
I read the plane was only about 400+- feet in the air. The airport is about 200+- feet above sea level.

Anyway.

If. If, ada dual engine problem and the plane did not achieve or sustain a postive rate of climb.
Could it be the reason?
Also, the plane crashed 32s after takeoff.

I think the pilots were focused on the engines?
If engine tak hidup, raise gear also, plane will glide another X meters and still crash?
Ok, admittedly.

If he had glided double the distance, he could have reached the SabarMati River,
saved everyone and become India's Sully?
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Sully's case is small plane + coming in for landing so less fuel = less weight

AI171 is 787 with full load of fuel tank.... they will need to dump fuel before even attempting an emergency landing if they can control the plane
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 14 2025, 11:16 PM)
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If  the ATC communication is true, then it means the aircraft lost all engine power/thrust at about 600 feet after takeoff. The BIG question still is, why the landing gear was still not retracted at that point.?
....... Note that, AFAIK, the landing gear is normally retracted very soon after lift off from the runway (after the takeoff run), ie once positive (rate of) climb has been achieved, ie at around 100 feet, and not at above 600 feet.
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jun 14 2025, 11:58 PM)
Sully's case is small plane + coming in for landing so less fuel = less weight

AI171 is 787 with full load of fuel tank.... they will need to dump fuel before even attempting an emergency landing if they can control the plane
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Sully landed in the Hudson River with enough fuel for a flight from NY to Charlotte and Seattle shortly after takeoff.

He was flying an A320. Smaller perhaps than a 787 but its no Cessna 😁

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another good analysis



@6:50 the landing gear position is something very few people talked about

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I was in a meeting with Natarajan Chandrasekaran in Bombay House when this happened and he had to leave to meet with government in Delhi... What a mess that day was...

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jun 15 2025, 12:38 AM)
another good analysis


@6:50 the landing gear position is something very few people talked about
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Interesting.

Can confirm the fwd tilting of the gear occurs on a real plane as it does on a flight simulator game 😆


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I was in a meeting with Natarajan Chandrasekaran in Bombay House when this happened and he had to leave to meet with government in Delhi... What a mess that day was...
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Fuel contamination likely cause
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now everyone starting to pay attention to the RAT

hopefully the preliminary report comes out soon so the poor pilots name can be cleared



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This is what the taiwanese pilot speculated as well, in one of his analysis, just a few hours after the crash. He is an active pilot of b787. Someone shared his video in the RWI tered.

Among his analysis, as per my understanding

1. no flap deployed - he said this is not possible due to the b787 system and warning tone will be incessant if this happen. he mentioned most casual bird enthusiasts will mistaken b787 flap settings coz it features newer wing design and some airlines encourage its pilots to use minimal flap setting for take-offs due to eco concern. And this will appear as no flap to casual watchers/followers.

2. RAT - He said he notice what appeared to be ram air turbine in the crash video, and as an active pilot, he said he know there was an severe emergency n board. Most likely both engine flameout coz both RAT was deployed and aircraft lost altitude. He mentioned b787 sys tem will deploy RAT automatically when it sensed twin engine failure.

3. LG not retracted - he said SOP for b787 is to retract the LG when aircraft has +ve climb and below 200m. In the event of both engine failure he said pilots can'r retract the LG coz there was no power, unless they manage to 1. restart the engine 2. switch on the APU. Both of which pilots had not enough time to do in that short 30s timeframe

4. both engine failure - his speculation on the reason why the aircraft went down, based on the movement of aircraft and other points above. On reason on why both engine flamed out, he said his hunch was fuel quality based on his previous experience being based in bharat.
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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Jun 15 2025, 10:48 AM)
4. both engine failure - his speculation on the reason why the aircraft went down, based on the movement of aircraft and other points above. On reason on why both engine flamed out, he said his hunch was fuel quality based on his previous experience being based in bharat.
I don't know. Why only this particular plane? Many other planes were refueled and flying without incident.


I wonder if the maintenance people made a mistake / did something to the plane in Ahmedabad after it flew in from Delhi.





I think we've all seen Akash's video where he complains about AC etc not working.
The 787 flew in from Delhi to Ahmedabad as AI-423 a couple of hours earlier
and was then scheduled as AI-171 from Ahmedabad to London.




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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Jun 15 2025, 10:48 AM)
This is what the taiwanese pilot speculated as well, in one of his analysis, just a few hours after the crash. He is an active pilot of b787. Someone shared his video in the RWI tered.

Among his analysis, as per my understanding

1. no flap deployed - he said this is not possible due to the b787 system and warning tone will be incessant if this happen. he mentioned most casual bird enthusiasts will mistaken b787 flap settings coz it features newer wing design and some airlines encourage its pilots to use minimal flap setting for take-offs due to eco concern. And this will appear as no flap to casual watchers/followers.

2. RAT - He said he notice what appeared to be ram air turbine in the crash video, and as an active pilot, he said he know there was an severe emergency n board. Most likely both engine flameout coz both RAT was deployed and aircraft lost altitude. He mentioned b787 sys tem will deploy RAT automatically when it sensed twin engine failure.

3. LG not retracted - he said SOP for b787 is to retract the LG when aircraft has +ve climb and below 200m. In the event of both engine failure he said pilots can'r retract the LG coz there was no power, unless they manage to 1. restart the engine 2. switch on the APU. Both of which pilots had not enough time to do in that short 30s timeframe

4. both engine failure - his speculation on the reason why the aircraft went down, based on the movement of aircraft and other points above. On reason on why both engine flamed out, he said his hunch was fuel quality based on his previous experience being based in bharat.
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jun 15 2025, 10:35 AM)
now everyone starting to pay attention to the RAT

hopefully the preliminary report comes out soon so the poor pilots name can be cleared


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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Jun 15 2025, 01:09 PM)
I don't know. Why only this particular plane? Many other planes were refueled and flying without incident.
I wonder if the maintenance people made a mistake / did something to the plane in Ahmedabad after it flew in from Delhi.
I think we've all seen Akash's video where he complains about AC etc not working.
The 787 flew in from Delhi to Ahmedabad as AI-423 a couple of hours earlier
and was then scheduled as AI-171 from Ahmedabad to London.
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The RAT on the all-electric B787 is auto-deployed when .......

1. both engines failure, or
2. total electrical failure, or
3. total hydraulic failure.

If both engines failed just after liftoff at about 100-200 feet (= RAT auto-deployed) before the landing gears could be retracted, how come the ill-fated B787 could still climb to about 600 feet before losing altitude and crashing to the ground.?

So, I'm leaning towards "2. total electrical failure" just after liftoff, ie not "1. both engines failure", = the B787 had full power/thrust but could not climb above 600 feet because the LG were still extended, maximum weight load and hot afternoon summer temperature of 38*C (or plus got sudden tailwind or windshear).
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 15 2025, 04:32 PM)
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The RAT on the all-electric B787 is auto-deployed when .......

1. both engines failure, or
2. total electrical failure, or
3. total hydraulic failure.

If both engines failed just after liftoff at about 100-200 feet (= RAT auto-deployed) before the landing gears could be retracted, how come the ill-fated B787 could still climb to about 600 feet before losing altitude and crashing to the ground.?

So, I'm leaning towards "2. total electrical failure" just after liftoff, ie not "1. both engines failure", = the B787 had full power/thrust but could not climb above 600 feet because the LG were still extended, maximum weight load and hot afternoon summer temperature of 38*C (or plus got sudden tailwind or windshear).
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Its high tech plane. Its extremely rare for both engines to stop especially IF proper maintenance performed(which is compulsory after each landing). They will take fuel sample to check etc. And AI said total electrical failure is extremely unlikely for modern plane like this.

But its too miracle for that kind of immediate explosion can have survival without any major burn somemore.

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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 15 2025, 05:50 PM)
Its high tech plane. Its extremely rare for both engines to stop especially IF proper maintenance performed(which is compulsory after each landing). They will take fuel sample to check etc. And AI said total electrical failure is extremely unlikely for modern plane like this.

But its too miracle for that kind of immediate explosion can have survival without any major burn somemore.
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So do you think it's a sabotage ? India stilll in a state of war
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Jun 15 2025, 04:32 PM)
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The RAT on the all-electric B787 is auto-deployed when .......

1. both engines failure, or
2. total electrical failure, or
3. total hydraulic failure.

If both engines failed just after liftoff at about 100-200 feet (= RAT auto-deployed) before the landing gears could be retracted, how come the ill-fated B787 could still climb to about 600 feet before losing altitude and crashing to the ground.?

So, I'm leaning towards "2. total electrical failure" just after liftoff, ie not "1. both engines failure", = the B787 had full power/thrust but could not climb above 600 feet because the LG were still extended, maximum weight load and hot afternoon summer temperature of 38*C (or plus got sudden tailwind or windshear).
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Fyi, .......

- Etihad 787-10 Heathrow Push, Start, Taxi, Takeoff, Climb to FL370 - 11 July 2024
= "Positive Climb", "Gear Up" at 7:38 video mark is normally very soon after liftoff, likely at about 50-100 feet = landing gear retracting.

Why was the ill-fated B787's LG still not retracted at 600 feet.?
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post Jun 19 2025, 04:22 PM

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India will send the black box of the crashed Air India Boeing 787 aircraft to the US for analysis. The recorder sustained heavy external damage from post-crash fire making it impossible to extract data in India, people aware of the development said.
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Damn, imagine that..those are made with tough material!
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post Jul 3 2025, 12:12 PM

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Air India pilots re-enact doomed take-off to work out what went wrong
By Mihir Mishra
Updated July 3, 2025 — 11.43amfirst published at 11.36am

More than two weeks after the deadly crash of an Air India plane that killed all but one of the 242 people on board, investigators and the airline are studying possible dual engine failure as a scenario that prevented the Boeing 787 jet from staying airborne.

The airliner came down moments after taking off from the western Indian city of Ahmedabad on June 12. Video footage showed it struggling to gain altitude and sinking back to the ground, where it hit buildings and exploded. Nineteen people were killed on the ground.

Air India pilots re-enacted the doomed aircraft’s parameters in a flight simulator, including with the landing gear deployed and the wing flaps retracted, and found those settings alone didn’t cause a crash, according to people familiar with the investigation.

The result, alongside the previous discovery that an emergency-power turbine deployed seconds before impact, has reinforced the focus on a technical failure as one possible cause, said the people, who asked not to be identified discussing non-public deliberations.

The simulated flight was conducted separately from the official probe being led by India’s Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) and was done to explore possible scenarios, one of the people said.

Additional clues

The Boeing 787 was powered by two General Electric (GE) engines. Boeing declined to comment and deferred any questions to the AAIB, while GE said it could not comment on an active investigation.

The AAIB and Air India did not respond to a request for comment.

Whether or why both engines would have simultaneously lost power remains unknown, but investigators will seek additional clues from the two flight recorders, from which data has been extracted and is being analysed.

The investigation is exploring a wide range of scenarios, though a closer focus is on technical issues, the people said.

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Whether or why both engines would have simultaneously lost power remains unknown, but investigators will seek additional clues from the two flight recorders, from which data has been extracted and is being analysed.

The investigation is exploring a wide range of scenarios, though a closer focus is on technical issues, the people said.

Pilots who reviewed the footage have noted that the landing gear was already partially tilted forward, suggesting the cockpit crew had initiated the wheel retraction sequence.

At the same time, the landing gear doors had not opened, which pilots say might mean that the aircraft experienced a loss of power or a hydraulic failure, again pointing to possible issues with the engines that provide the aircraft’s electricity.

The engines of modern aircraft are computer-controlled using a system called Full Authority Digital Engine Control, or FADEC, which helps pilots control an aircraft’s power and makes sure the engines are used efficiently and not outside their operating limits.

An emergency turbine, called the RAT, which deploys from the back of the aircraft in the case of electrical failure, was activated before the plane crashed, according to previous findings.

That fan helps provide the aircraft with vital power, though it’s far too small to generate any lift.

Fifteen seconds

Analysis of the wreckage suggests the wing flaps and slats, which help an aircraft increase lift during takeoff, were extended correctly.

The crash ranks as the worst accident in Indian civil aviation in several decades, and it’s the first time that a Boeing 787 Dreamliner has been lost to an accident.

The pilots, who died in the crash, sent out a mayday signal shortly after take-off. There were only about 15 seconds between the distress call and impact, two people familiar with the investigation said.

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Teams from Boeing and the US National Transportation Safety Board are supporting the investigation on the ground.

It’s unknown when authorities will give an update on the flight recorder data, which typically provides a comprehensive analysis of an aircraft’s settings and performance metrics as well as conversations in the cockpit.

Source: https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/asia...703-p5mc5x.html

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Air India jet's fuel switches in focus, as crash preliminary report nears
By Allison Lampert and David Shepardson
July 9, 2025

July 8 (Reuters) - A preliminary report into the deadly crash of an Air India jetliner in June is expected to be released by Friday, three sources with knowledge of the matter said, with one adding the probe had narrowed its focus to the movement of the plane's fuel control switches.

The London-bound Boeing 787 Dreamliner, which started losing height after reaching an altitude of 650 feet, crashed moments after takeoff from Ahmedabad, India, killing 241 of the 242 people on board and the rest on the ground.

The investigation into the Air India crash is focusing on the movement of the engine fuel control switches following an analysis of the 787's flight and voice data recorders, along with a simulation by Boeing of the aircraft's final moments, one of the sources said.

The investigation has not raised any immediate concerns over mechanical failure, the source said, and there has been no bulletin to airlines recommending changes to 787 operations.

Boeing declined to comment.

Aviation industry publication the Air Current first reported the focus on the fuel switches that help power the plane's two engines.

It was not clear what specific actions involving the fuel switches are being looked at by investigators.

Sources told the Air Current that the available information on the black boxes could not rule in or out improper, inadvertent or intentional actions that preceded or followed the apparent loss of thrust before the aircraft crashed.

U.S. aviation safety expert John Cox said a pilot would not be able to accidentally move the fuel switches that feed the engines. "You can't bump them and they move," he said.

Cox added that if a switch was shut off, the effect would be almost immediate, cutting off engine power.

Most air crashes are caused by multiple factors. The investigation is focusing at least partly on engine thrust, Reuters reported last month.

While the report from Indian investigators could be made public on Friday, the three sources cautioned to Reuters that plans could change and there was no clarity on how much information would be available in the document, which comes about 30 days after the June 12 tragedy.

The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorised to speak to media.

India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau, which is leading the probe under international rules, did not respond immediately to a request for comment outside normal business hours.

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The probe has been dogged by questions over lack of information, after investigators took about two weeks to download flight recorder data after the crash. The Indian government held only one press conference on the incident, and no questions were taken.

However, India reversed course on an earlier decision reported by Reuters to prevent a U.N. aviation investigator from joining the probe, two senior sources said.

A specialist from the U.N.'s International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) was granted observer status, following an unusual request by the agency to offer its support.

ICAO declined to comment, adding in a statement that any public discussion of "cooperative arrangements," would require authorisation by the state.

The crash is challenging the Tata Group's ambitious campaign to restore Air India's reputation and revamp its fleet, after taking the carrier over from the government in 2022.

India is banking on a boom in aviation to support wider development goals, with New Delhi saying it wants India to be a job-creating global aviation hub along the lines of Dubai, which currently handles much of the country's international traffic.

A panel of Indian lawmakers will review safety in the country's civil aviation sector and has invited several industry and government officials to answer questions on Wednesday, with topics set to include the recent plane crash.

Reporting by Allison Lampert in Montreal and David Shepardson in Washington; Additional reporting by Dan Catchpole in Seattle and Kanjyik Ghosh in Bengaluru; Editing by Jamie Freed

Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/india/investi...try-2025-07-08/
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post Jul 10 2025, 07:48 AM

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So is the too short a take off lift the cause? Verified?

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QUOTE(haya @ Jul 10 2025, 07:44 AM)
Air India jet's fuel switches in focus, as crash preliminary report nears
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The investigation into the Air India crash is focusing on the movement of the engine fuel control switches following an analysis of the 787's flight and voice data recorders, along with a simulation by Boeing of the aircraft's final moments, one of the sources said.

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Aviation industry publication the Air Current first reported the focus on the fuel switches that help power the plane's two engines.

It was not clear what specific actions involving the fuel switches are being looked at by investigators.

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One of the memory items for dual engine failure on 787...

Fuel Control Switches: Cutoff then Run




Plane crashed in 32 secs, who TF knows what they managed to do in that time without the report, CVR, FDR...





Smells like some quarters are trying to push the narrative and blame the the pilot(s).
Perhaps some giant of the industry will not survive another MAX debacle.

I hope the prelim report is released soon.

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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Jul 11 2025, 01:51 PM)
One of the memory items for dual engine failure on 787...

Fuel Control Switches: Cutoff then Run
Plane crashed in 32 secs, who TF knows what they managed to do in that time without the report, CVR, FDR...

Smells like some quarters are trying to push the narrative and blame the the pilot(s).
Perhaps some giant of the industry will not survive another MAX debacle.

I hope the prelim report is released soon.

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huh so pilot error? forgot to on fuel switch
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https://aaib.gov.in/What's%20New%20Asse...rt%20VT-ANB.pdf




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It's interesting to see where the pilots hands are during a typical 787-8 flight when the fuel cutoff switches were alleged to have been moved in the Air India flight.



Perhaps, it is around 01:13 in the video.





In the video, it is the female Captain that is pilot flying but in the Air India flight, many are saying that it was the First Officer in the right seat that was the pilot flying.


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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Jul 12 2025, 05:30 PM)
It's interesting to see where the pilots hands are during a typical 787-8 flight when the fuel cutoff switches were alleged to have been moved in the Air India flight.
Perhaps, it is around 01:13 in the video.


In the video, it is the female Captain that is pilot flying but in the Air India flight, many are saying that it was the First Officer in the right seat that was the pilot flying.
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Jul 12 2025, 05:34 PM)
sometimes co pilot is the one flying while the captain does the management and decisions, communicate with atc
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Yes indeed, they take turns to fly.

Anyway, I finally found it in the prelim report. 😁

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First Officer as pilot flying 787








Captain retains control of the throttle in case of takeoff rejection.

I think the Captain has ample opportunity to alter the fuel cutoff switch if it has to be either of the pilots.


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Ranganathan also raised questions about mental health oversight in Indian aviation, citing reports from serving Air India pilots that one of the cockpit crew had a known medical condition and had been on extended medical leave prior to the crash.








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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Jul 13 2025, 03:22 PM)
Ranganathan also raised questions about mental health oversight in Indian aviation, citing reports from serving Air India pilots that one of the cockpit crew had a known medical condition and had been on extended medical leave prior to the crash.

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Safety Information Bulletin - NM-18-33

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Hmmm......while unlikely it means that for past 12 years no one noticed the switch wasnt functional as expected is itself concerning
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Hmmm......while unlikely it means that for past 12 years no one noticed the switch wasnt functional as expected is itself concerning
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UK Civil Aviation Authority
SN-2015/005: Fuel Shutoff Valve – Mandatory Actions on Boeing Aircraft


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https://www.caa.co.uk/our-work/publications...tent/sn-2015005

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how much were compensated by MAS for MH370 and MH17 incident?
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QUOTE(haya @ Jun 13 2025, 12:05 PM)
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...o-mh370-victims
RM1.3 million to 2 families

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/i...-mh370-families
Insurers paid RM16.8 million to the next of kin for MH370

https://www.dw.com/en/two-years-on-malaysia...tims/a-19406634
Amounts to each family seem to be "on confidential terms" for MH17

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/...-a-fresh-search
Chinese next of kin had payouts reportedly ranging from 2.5m to 3m CNY

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-02/mala...-claims/7986706
Reports from Australia suggest that AUD250,000 was offered as settlement for per Australian victim
https://themalaysianreserve.com/2019/04/15/...mh17-tragedies/
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MH370: Beijing court orders Malaysia Airlines to pay families over RM1.68mil in compensation per case
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7:25 PM MYT

BEIJING: A Beijing court has ordered Malaysia Airlines to pay some families of missing passengers onboard flight MH370 over 2.9mil yuan (RM1.686mil) per case in compensation, state broadcaster CCTV said on Monday (Dec 8).

The rulings are for eight cases involving eight passengers, according to CCTV.

Another 47 cases have been settled and withdrawn, and the remaining 23 cases are still under trial, the broadcaster said.

Malaysia Airlines did not immediately reply to a request for comment. — Reuters

Source: https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2025...sation-per-case
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QUOTE(haya @ Dec 9 2025, 07:52 AM)
MH370: Beijing court orders Malaysia Airlines to pay families over RM1.68mil in compensation per case
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BEIJING: A Beijing court has ordered Malaysia Airlines to pay some families of missing passengers onboard flight MH370 over 2.9mil yuan (RM1.686mil) per case in compensation, state broadcaster CCTV said on Monday (Dec 8).

The rulings are for eight cases involving eight passengers, according to CCTV.

Another 47 cases have been settled and withdrawn, and the remaining 23 cases are still under trial, the broadcaster said.

Malaysia Airlines did not immediately reply to a request for comment. — Reuters

Source: https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2025...sation-per-case
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MAS probably will pay ?
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MAS probably will pay ?
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 9 2025, 07:57 AM)
current MAS is new entity form after the incident and hence has no obligation to pay ko
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Dec 9 2025, 07:54 AM)
MAS probably will pay ?
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 9 2025, 07:57 AM)
current MAS is new entity form after the incident and hence has no obligation to pay ko
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Might be a separate entity: https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2025/12/...ay-over-us33mil

MH370: Beijing court orders Malaysia Airlines to pay over US$3.3mil in compensation
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December 8, 2025 @ 10:13am

BEIJING: A Beijing court said Monday it had ordered Malaysia Airlines to pay compensation to the families of eight passengers from flight MH370, more than a decade after the plane disappeared.

The Chaoyang District People's Court said in a statement that 47 other lawsuits had been withdrawn, after the families settled outside of court with Malaysia Airlines and its international arm, Malaysia Airlines International.

The court said that the compensation ruled on Friday was to cover funeral expenses, emotional distress, and other losses, with each family to receive over 2.9 million yuan (US$410,000).

The Boeing 777 carrying 239 people vanished from radar screens on March 8, 2014, while en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

Despite the largest search in aviation history, the plane has not been found.

Two-thirds of the passengers were Chinese, while the others included Malaysians, Indonesians and Australians, as well as Indian, US, Dutch and French nationals.

Of the original 78 cases brought by families following the plane crash, the court in Beijing said that 23 were still pending.

The families of those passengers "have either not yet applied for a declaration of death or have not yet completed the declaration process", according to the court.

The eight passengers whose families were granted compensation by the court have been declared legally deceased.

The court announcement comes days after Malaysian authorities announced the search for the plane would resume at the end of December, a decision welcomed by China's foreign ministry and victims' relatives.


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See Malaysia Airline System Berhad (Administration) Act 2015

Further reading: https://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/331423
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they got insurance to make payout.... not really MAS pay
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QUOTE(Virlution @ Dec 9 2025, 08:19 AM)
they got insurance to make payout.... not really MAS pay
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See Malaysia Airline System Berhad (Administration) Act 2015

Further reading: https://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/331423
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