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post Jun 10 2025, 09:09 AM

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probablt cant afford a down time :X
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post Jun 10 2025, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(Manuk1188 @ Jun 10 2025, 07:47 AM)
wonder how they pass the ISO standard ?  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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In what way ISO standard related to DOS?
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QUOTE(Rorschach85 @ Jun 10 2025, 07:51 AM)
ISO for show only lar..auditor kasi kawtim..
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lol

Auditors are the ones that is the biggest obstacle to upgrade systems

Always scare this, scare this.

What if got downtime. What if got compatibility issue. What if got XYZ problem.

If got problem who bear responsibility?

People facing these kinda questions, sure 99.99% won't want to upgrade one.

If upgrade no problem, you won't get any extra reward. If upgrade got problem, people will hound you day and night.
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Why fix it, if it is working well
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post Jun 10 2025, 09:20 AM

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old ios gold
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post Jun 10 2025, 09:21 AM

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I'm not the expert on OS but as far as I can say from my observation, database system are very much on DOS core. As you can see, anything with long description, the entry data is truncated thus you have to use short syntax for long word. I believe this is why bank database are still on DOS. The Windows GUI is probably on Windows but it is just interface, but everything is crunched in rigid database structure.

The reason for using Windows 95 is because it is basically DOS with nicer "modern" graphic interface for easy of understanding for end users.
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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jun 10 2025, 10:14 AM)
lol

Auditors are the ones that is the biggest obstacle to upgrade systems

Always scare this, scare this.

What if got downtime. What if got compatibility issue. What if got XYZ problem.

If got problem who bear responsibility?

People facing these kinda questions, sure 99.99% won't want to upgrade one.

If upgrade no problem, you won't get any extra reward. If upgrade got problem, people will hound you day and night.
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But these are necessary questions any good and effective Management would ask

If the Management don't ask and buta-buta upgrade without any backup plans, what happen if something really happens?

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same like most atm machine. The setup file still using floppy disc

reason simply because its stable and the risk is very minimal as new version will come with new nonsense that can bring the whole system down.
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QUOTE(Rorschach85 @ Jun 10 2025, 07:51 AM)
ISO for show only lar..auditor kasi kawtim..
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or we tukar auditor until pass, lol
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Jun 10 2025, 08:04 AM)
No way. How to do online banking with dos?
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Atm machines


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post Jun 10 2025, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 10 2025, 09:31 AM)
But these are necessary questions any good and effective Management would ask

If the Management don't ask and buta-buta upgrade without any backup plans, what happen if something really happens?
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Normally there is backup/contingency plans.

Just that auditors will drill down kow kow, 1% error chance, 1 minute downtime also cannot accept. Everything must be smooth, zero problem, back to business as usual ASAP.

Who would want to put their neck on the line when facing these kinda people? Answer = no one, that why these kinda things are like this. Systems from 90s also never upgrade.

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jun 10 2025, 10:55 AM)
Normally there is backup/contingency plans.

Just that auditors will drill down kow kow, 1% error chance, 1 minute downtime also cannot accept. Everything must be smooth, zero problem, back to business as usual ASAP.

Who would want to put their neck on the line when facing these kinda people? Answer = no one, that why these kinda things are like this. Systems from 90s also never upgrade.
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That is what risk management and auditors are supposed to do

If they are lax, they will be blamed if something happened

In this case, its air traffic control

You can't really afford 1 minute downtime as its really life and death situation


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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Jun 10 2025, 09:06 AM)
Airport Malaysia guna Windows XP, some on Windows 7.
Some servers are Windows NT/2000.


Many factory still using Windows CE /Embedded.

No info on Railway system/LRT/MRT

TM also have aging infra. Windows 98, server on NT 4 or older.
Some classic variant of UNIX

A few bank's mission critical running on IBM O/S z
A few still on Solaris.

Front end are all modern OS.

ATM too, some are on Windows CE and 98
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Malaysian Airport one - true. I was one of the core developers for KLIA TAMS in 1996. Once one iron out all the bugs, the system is solid rock. Doing it's intended function without fail. Nothing else. cool2.gif But it is hard to add on new feature. sweat.gif

Ther's some organisation resorted to moving this legacy system to virtual machine once the physical hardware gone kaput beyond repair. sweat.gif

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post Jun 10 2025, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 10 2025, 10:03 AM)
That is what risk management and auditors are supposed to do

If they are lax, they will be blamed if something happened

In this case, its air traffic control

You can't really afford 1 minute downtime as its really life and death situation
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Then don't ask why system never upgrade.

This is why.
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post Jun 10 2025, 10:53 AM

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its normal.

some hotels/banks mission critical system still using win95. it is so deeply integrated which impossible to replace them without heavy cost.


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Japan, companies still using floppy disk.
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Jun 10 2025, 07:39 AM)
Banks still use msdos
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QUOTE(gamehype @ Jun 10 2025, 11:34 AM)
Then don't ask why system never upgrade.

This is why.
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Then it's IT fault if they can't convince Audit or Risk Management

Audit and Risk Management will only report their findings to Management/Board

If IT can't give a convincing picture, no Management/Board will approve it

At the end of the day the responsibility still falls to IT if something happens
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QUOTE(Manuk1188 @ Jun 10 2025, 07:47 AM)
wonder how they pass the ISO standard ?  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Win95 is the ISO standard

If use MS Dos , sure fail ISO
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Jun 10 2025, 02:21 AM)
the problem with these upgrades is mainly not budget issue but because nobody in the higher management have the balls to do these upgrades when everything works now because if something goes wrong after the upgrade then they will be in deep shit and lose their jobs
nobody will gamble with their jobs to do these upgrades
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Same like banking system



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