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TSvhs
post Jun 10 2025, 02:15 AM, updated 7 months ago

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Do you still run Windows 95? USA Air Traffic Control system does. Wonder where they find hardware when something breaks down since no one is making drivers for Windows 95 nowadays. laugh.gif

inb4 gimme contract I will VM all of them whistling.gif


https://arstechnica.com/information-technol...ntrol-overhaul/

On Wednesday, acting FAA Administrator Chris Rocheleau told the House Appropriations Committee that the Federal Aviation Administration plans to replace its aging air traffic control systems, which still rely on floppy disks and Windows 95 computers, Tom's Hardware reports. The agency has issued a Request For Information to gather proposals from companies willing to tackle the massive infrastructure overhaul.

"The whole idea is to replace the system. No more floppy disks or paper strips," Rocheleau said during the committee hearing. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy called the project "the most important infrastructure project that we've had in this country for decades," describing it as a bipartisan priority.

Most air traffic control towers and facilities across the US currently operate with technology that seems frozen in the 20th century, although that isn't necessarily a bad thing—when it works. Some controllers currently use paper strips to track aircraft movements and transfer data between systems using floppy disks, while their computers run Microsoft's Windows 95 operating system, which launched in 1995.

As Tom's Hardware notes, modernization of the system is broadly popular. Sheldon Jacobson, a University of Illinois professor who has studied risks in aviation, says that the system works remarkably well as is but that an upgrade is still critical, according to NPR. The aviation industry coalition Modern Skies has been pushing for ATC modernization and recently released an advertisement highlighting the outdated technology.

While the vintage systems may have inadvertently protected air traffic control from widespread outages like the CrowdStrike incident that disrupted modern computer systems globally in 2024, agency officials say 51 of the FAA's 138 systems are unsustainable due to outdated functionality and a lack of spare parts.

The FAA isn't alone in clinging to floppy disk technology. San Francisco's train control system still runs on DOS loaded from 5.25-inch floppy disks, with upgrades not expected until 2030 due to budget constraints. Japan has also struggled in recent years to modernize government record systems that use floppy disks.



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post Jun 10 2025, 02:21 AM

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the problem with these upgrades is mainly not budget issue but because nobody in the higher management have the balls to do these upgrades when everything works now because if something goes wrong after the upgrade then they will be in deep shit and lose their jobs
nobody will gamble with their jobs to do these upgrades
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post Jun 10 2025, 02:22 AM

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When I work part time in retail between my diploma and degree gap, the entire pos and accounting system use dos, the very same system when the shop opened in 1996.

Once things start running, migrating is just not worth the rrisk.
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post Jun 10 2025, 02:23 AM

iz old liao.
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If it doesn't break why fix it.

Only do it when they build a new tower.
Atleast job security is confirmed there...
Phoenix_KL
post Jun 10 2025, 03:33 AM

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if work, no upgrade.

danabu
post Jun 10 2025, 06:36 AM

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How about in Malaysia?
I don't know what k/tards will respond if this happens in Malaysia.
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post Jun 10 2025, 07:39 AM

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QUOTE(danabu @ Jun 10 2025, 06:36 AM)
How about in Malaysia?
I don't know what k/tards will respond if this happens in Malaysia.
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Banks still use msdos
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post Jun 10 2025, 07:47 AM

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wonder how they pass the ISO standard ? tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Jun 10 2025, 07:48 AM

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QUOTE(danabu @ Jun 10 2025, 06:36 AM)
How about in Malaysia?
I don't know what k/tards will respond if this happens in Malaysia.
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There are machines in Malaysia are still running with nt 4
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post Jun 10 2025, 07:48 AM

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I have some industrial machines still running MSDOS and DRMUDOS
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post Jun 10 2025, 07:49 AM

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QUOTE(HasukiiXrd @ Jun 10 2025, 07:48 AM)
There are machines in Malaysia are still running with nt 4
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I know ya.. Lol
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post Jun 10 2025, 07:51 AM

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QUOTE(Manuk1188 @ Jun 10 2025, 08:47 AM)
wonder how they pass the ISO standard ?  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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ISO for show only lar..auditor kasi kawtim..
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post Jun 10 2025, 07:55 AM

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Floppy disk ? Where to buy ? Custom order from factory in China ?
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post Jun 10 2025, 07:57 AM

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If not broken, the legend says if you try to upgrade, then it will throw a tantrum and die
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post Jun 10 2025, 07:58 AM

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Trump compares US infrastructure to that of a ‘third-world country’

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/15/politics...d-world-country


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post Jun 10 2025, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(Raddus @ Jun 10 2025, 07:39 AM)
Banks still use msdos
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No way. How to do online banking with dos?

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post Jun 10 2025, 08:20 AM

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once bsod jialat
no wonder many aircraft incidents at murica airport runway
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post Jun 10 2025, 08:23 AM

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legacy systems is the best

wait until you find out what os atm machine use
zamans98
post Jun 10 2025, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(danabu @ Jun 10 2025, 06:36 AM)
How about in Malaysia?
I don't know what k/tards will respond if this happens in Malaysia.
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Airport Malaysia guna Windows XP, some on Windows 7.
Some servers are Windows NT/2000.

Many factory still using Windows CE /Embedded.

No info on Railway system/LRT/MRT

TM also have aging infra. Windows 98, server on NT 4 or older.
Some classic variant of UNIX

A few bank's mission critical running on IBM O/S z
A few still on Solaris.

Front end are all modern OS.

ATM too, some are on Windows CE and 98
zamans98
post Jun 10 2025, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(eds2 @ Jun 10 2025, 08:23 AM)
legacy systems is the best

wait until you find out what os atm machine use
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95/98/XP

Some pelik Linux customed.

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