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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Jun 8 2025, 07:35 PM)
Good that China doesn't sell fentanyl then, only the raw materials that are also used to make medical pain killers.
I wonder what AMDKs are gonna say if China gets fed up and totally blocks precursors like it blocks Rare Earth from America, even to the point of no re-export. Something tells me they're not gonna express gratitude to China.
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very sure America will be the first to beg China to produce the precursors/completed medical grade fentanyl.

a while back, I chatted with a anesthesiologist casually. he said that fentanyl is a very effective and useful pain killer. and is used for serious cases. without it, they would need to use a lot of other pain killers.. not effective and may come with a lot of side effects.

I guess this is why fentanyl is still being produced... its for real medical purposes... despite the vilification by the Western media and US government of the drug.
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QUOTE(soulknight @ Jun 8 2025, 07:51 PM)
US ordered the chem to make the fentanyl from China n then manufacturer it locally. Then something happen n then blame other people that causing the issue.
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onshoring... now that makes a lot of sense... Trump did say it wants all the pharma manufacturing to return to america... haha
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jun 8 2025, 08:06 PM)
onshoring... now that makes a lot of sense... Trump did say it wants all the pharma manufacturing to return to america... haha
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He said he would create lots of jobs opportunities. But if bringing their manufacturing onshore, most of the manufacturer would goes for automation to reduce the operating cost. US labor cost and with the amount of red tapes that needed to be followed, would cause the product to be cost at a higher price. and the consumer would opt'ed to a much cheaper available options.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 8 2025, 07:49 PM)
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Another lie being spread by CCP China supporters, .......

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...pecial/cia.html - Cocaine, Conspiracy Theories And The CIA In Central America
...One of the people who was accused in the San Jose Mercury-News of being in the midst of the CIA cocaine conspiracy is one of the most respected, now retired, veteran D.E.A. agents, Robert "Bobby" Nieves.

"You have to understand Central America at that time was a haven for the conspiracy theorists. Christic Institute, people like Gary Webb, others down there, looking to dig up some story for political advantage," Nieves said. "No sexier story than to create the notion in people's minds that these people are drug traffickers."

But in the weeks following publication, Webb's peers doubted the merit of the articles. Fellow journalists at the Washington Post, New York Times and Webb's own editor accused him of blowing a few truths up into a massive conspiracy.

Amongst Webb's fundamental problems was his implication that the CIA lit the crack cocaine fuse. It was conspiracy theory: a neat presentation of reality that simply didn't jibe with real life. Webb later agreed in an interview that there is no hard evidence that the CIA as an institution or any of its agent-employees carried out or profited from drug trafficking.

Still, the fantastic story of the CIA injecting crack into ghettos had taken hold.  ...

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Believing that article is like believing the IDF when they said they investigated themselves and found no evidence of Genocide in Gaza. Only fools would believe them. And fools we were.....before the age of smartphones and social media.

From your article. "The CIA investigated themselves and found themselves innocent, and at worst, incompetent.

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jun 8 2025, 08:06 PM)
onshoring... now that makes a lot of sense... Trump did say it wants all the pharma manufacturing to return to america... haha
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And since the US likes to brag about being the biggest consumer market that China can't do without, it makes triple sense that they should onshore fentanyl production since they are already the largest opiod consumer in the world.
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Totally makes sense

RedChina just reapplied what they learned and experienced themselves

Just call this a reverse Opium War.
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post Jun 8 2025, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Jun 8 2025, 07:27 PM)
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Illegal drugs like fentanyl, heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, etc are different, in that they are addictive and can eventually kill the drug addicts if abused, eg accidental overdose, dangerous delusions/hallucinations, etc..

Most drug addicts start young, eg in their teens or twenties, ie gullible folks who can easily be tricked by drug pushers into becoming drug addicts, eg through peer pressure, pop culture,  escapism in dance clubs, etc. Rich and young US drug addicts are long term customers for the Mexican drug cartels = a captive market of repeat customers.
....... IOW, the market demand and supply situation for illegal drugs are not normal, like for knives, smartphones, computers, EV vs ICE-V cars, Nvidia GPUs, critical minerals, crypto-coins, shares, crude oil, gold, etc.

So, apples and oranges or knives =/= fentanyl.
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Personally, I support the legalization of addictive drugs because we can buy addictive coffee/tea and chocolate (= caffeine), cigarettes (= nicotine) and alcohol in many countries = more tax revenue for the government, instead of for the Mexican drug cartels and Triad gangs.
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Jun 8 2025, 07:35 PM)
Good that China doesn't sell fentanyl then, only the raw materials that are also used to make medical pain killers.
I wonder what AMDKs are gonna say if China gets fed up and totally blocks precursors like it blocks Rare Earth from America, even to the point of no re-export. Something tells me they're not gonna express gratitude to China.
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If CCP China totally blocks precursors of fentanyl, I'm sure other countries will take up the slack, like how Apple Inc is now producing about 30% of its flagship iPhones in India, instead of 100% in CCP China previously, ie from about 2 years ago. Fyi, .......

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Yes, global supply chains are increasingly diversifying away from China, though this shift is complex and ongoing. Several factors are driving this trend, including rising labor costs in China, geopolitical tensions, and a desire for more resilient supply chains.



QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jun 8 2025, 08:02 PM)
very sure America will be the first to beg China to produce the precursors/completed medical grade fentanyl.

a while back, I chatted with a anesthesiologist casually. he said that fentanyl is a very effective and useful pain killer. and is used for serious cases. without it, they would need to use a lot of other pain killers.. not effective and may come with a lot of side effects.

I guess this is why fentanyl is still being produced... its for real medical purposes... despite the vilification by the Western media and US government of the drug.
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Fyi, morphine, derived from opium (the Britain-China Opium Wars in the 1800s), is also medically used as a powerful painkiller, though much less powerful than the synthetic opioid fentanyl.
....... Methamphetamine is also used medically but to treat certain mental disorders. Similarly for the medical use of cocaine, marijuana/ganja (= cannabinoids), etc.

The point is these medicines can be misused or abused, eg by Mexican drug cartels, Triad gangs, CCP China, etc to profit off gullible drug addicts, esp youths = victims, like the victim-scammers kidnapped to KK Park/Myawaddy.
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QUOTE(soulknight @ Jun 8 2025, 07:51 PM)
US ordered the chem to make the fentanyl from China n then manufacturer it locally. Then something happen n then blame other people that causing the issue.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jun 8 2025, 08:06 PM)
onshoring... now that makes a lot of sense... Trump did say it wants all the pharma manufacturing to return to america... haha
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The difference is, doctor-prescribed fentanyl and other opioids and psychotropic drugs, like methamphetamine, cocaine, morphine/opium, etc, are strictly regulated by the US government in USA but not those same drugs smuggled into USA by the Mexican drug cartels.

So, if fentanyl precursors are produced in USA, .......
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 8 2025, 09:42 PM)
If CCP China totally blocks precursors of fentanyl, I'm sure other countries will take up the slack, like how Apple Inc is now producing about 30% of its flagship iPhones in India, instead of 100% in CCP China previously, ie from about 2 years ago. Fyi, .......


The point is these medicines can be misused or abused, eg by Mexican drug cartels, Triad gangs, CCP China, etc to profit off gullible drug addicts, esp youths = victims, like the victim-scammers kidnapped to KK Park/Myawaddy.
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So if India takes over precursor production, then it's Bharat's fault pulak for the zombies of America? Anyone but America's own fault, right?

China makes steel, Mexico makes them into guns, American smuggle in these guns and shoots themselves in the head with them.
Result? AMDKs: " China misusing their steel production to kill innocent Americans cos they want to war with us. They should know if Mexicans buy steel, it's because they'll only make guns for American to kill themselves with, so they gotta be more responsible and not sell steel to Mexican.... or Canadians now."
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Jun 8 2025, 09:50 PM)
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The difference is, doctor-prescribed fentanyl and other opioids and psychotropic drugs, like methamphetamine, cocaine, morphine/opium, etc, are strictly regulated by the US government in USA but not those same drugs smuggled into USA by the Mexican drug cartels.

So, if fentanyl precursors are produced in USA, .......
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Jun 8 2025, 10:16 PM)
So if India takes over precursor production, then it's Bharat's fault pulak for the zombies of America? Anyone but America's own fault, right?

China makes steel, Mexico makes them into guns, American smuggle in these guns and shoots themselves in the head with them.
Result? AMDKs: " China misusing their steel production to kill innocent Americans cos they want to war with us. They should know if Mexicans buy steel, it's because they'll only make guns for American to kill themselves with, so they gotta be more responsible and not sell steel to Mexican.... or Canadians now."
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Like democratic USA, democratic Bharat is less evil than communist China, ie Bharat would also strictly restrict the export of fentanyl precursors so that they won't end up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels and Triad gangs, unlike greedy CCP China today who sells them to everyone without much background checking or oversight.

Are there many fentany/opioid deaths of drug addicts in Bharat.?
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Jun 8 2025, 10:16 PM)
So if India takes over precursor production, then it's Bharat's fault pulak for the zombies of America? Anyone but America's own fault, right?

China makes steel, Mexico makes them into guns, American smuggle in these guns and shoots themselves in the head with them.
Result? AMDKs: " China misusing their steel production to kill innocent Americans cos they want to war with us. They should know if Mexicans buy steel, it's because they'll only make guns for American to kill themselves with, so they gotta be more responsible and not sell steel to Mexican.... or Canadians now."
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No lah. Fyi, US citizens have the constitutional right to bear arms (eg they can buy guns) = most guns in USA are made-in-USA with US steel, not made-in-Mexico with CCP China steel.

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QUOTE(Avex @ Jun 8 2025, 10:37 AM)
actually China govt did tell them to stop producing all those crops and turn to grain production. China did provide them with seeds aid. China just want to avoid these drugs going into their border. China did alot to help Afghanistan, even try to tell them to allow women to have education, but the religion being the religion in the tablibans, it went back to the cave
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nah nah nah you see you see. china wants to interfere in our country policies tell us what to do what not to do. what about our country sovereign rights?
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Jun 8 2025, 10:30 AM)
The moment the Taliban took back Afghanistan from the American drug traffickers, Opium production dropped to insignificance, and Afghanistan once again will become net food exporters, something they were before the Americans invaded them.

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But just blame Mexico, Colombia, Myanmar, China, India and Canada instead.....
And since they're at "war" with China at the moment, let's just say it is China's secret, hidden plan to undermine America, with fuk-all proof. American fools will believe anything.
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Again, CCP-lovers spreading misinformation or lies about USA being drug traffickers in Afghanistan, .......

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47861444 - How the US military's opium war in Afghanistan was lost
26 April 2019

The US has spent $1.5m (£1.15m) a day since 2001 fighting the opium war in Afghanistan. So why is business still booming? ....

The video of this attack, in which eight Afghan civilians were killed, was one of a series published online by the American military - vivid evidence of the progress of a year-long bombing campaign code-named "Iron Tempest".

The objective was to take out the heroin laboratories at the heart of the Taliban's $200m-a-year opium trade, and it was to involve some 200 similar strikes.

But, according to new research from the London School of Economics, Operation Iron Tempest was not what it seemed.

The study found that, despite excellent intelligence, the multi-million-dollar campaign was having a negligible effect on the Taliban and the drug trafficking networks in Afghanistan.
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= during US occupation of Afghanistan, it was the Taliban who were drug traffickers to fund their terrorism, not USA.
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QUOTE(Avex @ Jun 8 2025, 10:37 AM)
actually China govt did tell them to stop producing all those crops and turn to grain production. China did provide them with seeds aid. China just want to avoid these drugs going into their border. China did alot to help Afghanistan, even try to tell them to allow women to have education, but the religion being the religion in the tablibans, it went back to the cave
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Your news source please.

From my above BBC news link, .......

.... And, of course, Afghanistan is by far the biggest producer of opium in the world. According to the US military, 90% of the world's heroin is made from opium grown in Afghanistan.

It makes up 95% of the market in Europe; 90% of the Canadian market. Perhaps surprisingly, Afghan heroin is reckoned to make up only a tiny fraction of the US market. The US Drug Enforcement Agency claims as little as one per cent of US supply is from Afghanistan. It says virtually all the heroin used in America comes from Mexico and South American countries. ...


= pre-2023 Afghan poppy production backed by the Taliban were mostly smuggled to Europe = practically none to CCP China, which practically has no drug addicts due to its fully tracked/monitored or spied on communist society, eg the Hukou system, online Real ID registration, CCTVs everywhere, etc.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 9 2025, 02:22 PM)
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Like democratic USA, democratic Bharat is less  evil than communist China, ie Bharat would also strictly restrict the export of fentanyl precursors so that they won't end up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels and Triad gangs, unlike greedy CCP China today who sells them to everyone without much background checking or oversight.

Are there many fentany/opioid deaths of drug addicts in Bharat.?
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You didn't watch the video, did you? 😂

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China sells precursors to India, which the Indians were supposed to use to make painkillers. But "democratic less evil Bharat" instead makes it into the actual Fentanyl that directly poisons Americans.
But India good, China Bad, amirite???

Don't know that's the point of your last sentence. China and India both don't have opioid/Fentanyl deaths.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 9 2025, 02:28 PM)
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No lah. Fyi, US citizens have the constitutional right to bear arms (eg they can buy guns) = most guns in USA are made-in-USA with US steel, not made-in-Mexico with CCP China steel.

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Smarty-pants, I'm giving u an analogy about how ridiculous it is to blame the raw material supplier la.

And yes, US also have the right and freedoms to take drugs. So go ahead and take drugs, and use guns on themselves and their kids in schools, it's their right.
Just don't go blaming and sanctioning other countries cos they can't control their own corporations and their own citizens.
The root cause are American corporations, not the CCP.
In a year they earn $10B from selling opioids, then earn another 6B TREATING opioid addiction/side-effects. Fuck the people, money comes first.

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Who earns all that money? Why... all these CCP companies, of course. Don't be fooled by their American- sounding names though...

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Jun 8 2025, 09:50 PM)
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The difference is, doctor-prescribed fentanyl and other opioids and psychotropic drugs, like methamphetamine, cocaine, morphine/opium, etc, are strictly regulated by the US government in USA but not those same drugs smuggled into USA by the Mexican drug cartels.

So, if fentanyl precursors are produced in USA, .......
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Jun 9 2025, 03:13 PM)
You didn't watch the video, did you? 😂

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China sells precursors to India, which the Indians were supposed to use to make painkillers. But "democratic less evil Bharat" instead makes it into the actual Fentanyl that directly poisons Americans.
But India good, China Bad,  amirite???

Don't know that's the point of your last sentence. China and India both don't have opioid/Fentanyl deaths.
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You didn't read my above reply, did you.?

Doctor-prescribed fentanyl, from India ≠ illegal fentanyl from Mexico smuggled into USA.

Few isolated deaths due to abuse/misuse of the former ≠ thousands of deaths due to abuse/misuse of the latter.
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Jun 9 2025, 02:28 PM)
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No lah. Fyi, US citizens have the constitutional right to bear arms (eg they can buy guns) = most guns in USA are made-in-USA with US steel, not made-in-Mexico with CCP China steel.

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Jun 9 2025, 03:32 PM)
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You didn't read my above reply, did you.?

Doctor-prescribed fentanyl, from India ≠ illegal fentanyl from Mexico smuggled into USA.

Few isolated deaths due to abuse/misuse of the former ≠ thousands of deaths due to abuse/misuse of the latter.
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Jun 9 2025, 03:31 PM)
Smarty-pants, I'm giving u an analogy about how ridiculous it is to blame the raw material supplier la.

And yes, US also have the right and freedoms to take drugs. So go ahead and take drugs, and use guns on themselves and their kids in schools, it's their right.
Just don't go blaming and sanctioning other countries cos they can't control their own corporations and their own citizens.
The root cause are American corporations, not the CCP.
In a year they earn $10B from selling opioids, then earn another 6B TREATING opioid addiction/side-effects. Fuck the people,  money comes first.

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Who earns all that money? Why... all these CCP companies, of course. Don't be fooled by their American- sounding names though...

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Wanna make analogy also, don't la use lies or misinformation about USA, ie the lie that US citizens are buying guns made-in-Mexico with imported CCP China steel and smuggled into USA by Americans.
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So if India takes over precursor production, then it's Bharat's fault pulak for the zombies of America? Anyone but America's own fault, right?

China makes steel, Mexico makes them into guns, American smuggle in these guns and shoots themselves in the head with them.
Result? AMDKs: " China misusing their steel production to kill innocent Americans cos they want to war with us. They should know if Mexicans buy steel, it's because they'll only make guns for American to kill themselves with, so they gotta be more responsible and not sell steel to Mexican.... or Canadians now."

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Imagine, a CCP-lover equating legally doctor-prescribed opioids, eg as painkillers, legally manufactured by BIG Pharma, with illegal opioids smuggled into USA by evil Mexican drug cartels, eg illegal fentanyl manufactured by the Mexican drug cartels from precursors easily imported from greedy CCP China.
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