Just morning rant.

My company usually take in interns from various university for various post. All of them are pursuing degree from local University. Now I have 4 engineering interns, 2 man and 2 women. I noticed that they have this kind of attitude, do as they wish. They came in as they wish, and clock out as they wish too. My company have this policy where u can clock in between 8-9am, and then u just clock out accordingly after 9 hours (8 hours working + 1 hour rest). From my point of view, we gave leeway already on being flexible on your working time.

However these interns came in almost 10, at least once a week. So my HR did an investigation and call those that have this problem. Their reason for being late? Simply overslept. Cant brain someone who went to university to overslept. I mean, they usually have class at 8am or 9am, they did their study for 4 years, and by this time they are not accustomed to waking up early? Don't they have to wake up early to pray also? I am not a muslim, yet I woke up when there is Azan because that is the way we are raised. Azan mean its beginning of the day. And this is not special case. Last year I had few interns with the same attitude, and some of my engineers also have this problem, especially fresh grad. Never in my life I was late to work due to overslept, even in my youth days where I partied until 3am, reached home and slept, and still manage to clock in at 8.30am.

I guess kids nowadays dont have that sense of responsibility and integrity.

Sekian rant untuk hari ini.

its a gen z issue. the good news is that we no longer need to worry having upcoming competition to kick us out of mid-senior mgmt level.

You need to bring light into their life.

last time when i first started to work, i went into office at 6.30 am..

no one was there but i did my work anyway

when I had the same problem last year with another intern and employer, i thought it just personal problem. Now it seems like generational problem. They just dont care. At this rate, my bangla even better, can wake up early to cook, solat and clock in at 8am.

Ayam gen z and do the same
But depends on industry la, as long as I get my work done don’t kacau me can dy, just judge me based on the results
But depends whether can really do work, for me only excusable if your work is good. If work is like shit and do this then it’s unacceptable.

But if I clock in late I definitely do more and clock out later than I should’ve even after making up for the time that I’m late
And I don’t mind doing work off hours, I often do and respond to emails and messages in the middle of the night to other region teams etc
Just don’t like the rigidity, no actual point most of the time. I know some ppl work better under rigid structure but not me

This post has been edited by DogeGamingPRO: Jun 6 2025, 10:03 AM

Hah

Welcome to gen alpha

They simply dont care

Please whack them

This post has been edited by maxpudding: Jun 6 2025, 11:46 AM

I am not that rajin, but i do clock out late. I know I am not getting paid for overtime, but I do have sense of responsibility to get my work done. And get free aircond at office too.

Nowadays they are just plain lazy and ambitionless.

Responsibility isn’t about clocking on time but their response when faced with a work issue.
Anyways I am kaki ponteng back in uni and sometimes work and walked out with a 3.7 ha ha ha
Obviously in the army time is everything and I’ll be dead so best is to find a suitable field

This post has been edited by GHBZDK: Jun 6 2025, 10:04 AM

Come 10 go back 7 je

I understand, and that is why my company is flexible. U can clock in from 8-9am, and go back accordingly lah. During puasa, some of them clock in as early as 7am, and clock out at 4pm. I do understand that.

But for them to take advantage to clock in and out suka hati, not finishing work is just too much.

I dont like rigidity too. We are all adults anyway, somemore educated with degree. So act like one. Company gave them the flexibility, use it but dont abuse it.

My HR even told me some of the interns curi biscuit, coffee, milo to bring home

Then itu memang sohai haha pantry also wanna sapu balik rumah

Actually every gen working also got some issues themselves
Then just focus on the most important - work output

Intern right? Terminate them within 24 hours? Set one as example. They will be fearful since intern is part of the study module. Failing one means repeat.

if attitude problem will be really hard to fix ..

some ppl if kena "basuh" will ok one...

ayam these days reach opis 6.30.. go nearby bfast 1st .

Let them be. Don't forget that later yr company still needs to fill up their performance evaluation form. Just imagine them begging yr company for mercy when they're flunking their internship 😈

pay them more

Last time my HR got put maggi cup at pantry. Now they stop already because they caught interns curi bawa balik. Not one cup, but 3-4cups. Same goes for coffee, milo. Last time we used to provide 3-in-1, but they always bring back. So now my HR say we just buy the powder one, they mix themselves.

My HR suggest the same, but I kesian. But I do know their lecturer personally, so Im going to lodge complain to them instead.

usually like that, especially when u work at KL. Most people I know will reached early, some go for breakfast, some just sleep in car.

Exactly. Just wait until their lecturer come for visit, will show them the attendance record. But u know, being local uni, i dont think the lecturer care.

They are paid Rm1,700 for internship. Its higher that what GLC or MNC paid for them.

If intern all of this issue can just kasi stern warning if continue all this bullshit behavior then u will fail them

Unless they don’t care about failing also then nothing to say dy kek

My HR will have talk with them later evening lol. I dont really micro manage the intern, but its still annoying.

Imagine being in University for 4 years and failing on internship and still dont care, that one fcked up already

Well can u ask yr HR not to accept interns frm this specific uni in future?

this happened long time ago, i brought in a few interns. after 2 weeks, the pantry supplies meant to last 1 month was completely consumed. it has never happened before this

turns out, them interns have their bfast, lunch, dinner and tea time in office.

biar betik bro

We do actually banned few university interns. But since their lecturer know me personally, so the lecturer asked for help for placement. And not just my company, many company also banned interns from this university. Got 2 universities. One in the middle of PJ, the other one at Bangi. This morning my HR came to my room and gave me the "I told u so" talk about accepting them.

same bro. Apart from tapau everything and bring back home, they even eat the milo 3-in-1 for breakfast and tea time. Its not like they are not getting paid. They are paid RM 1,700/month. Its enough for intern. Last time I intern under gomen, satu sen pun xdak.

what time you wake up then? 6.30 reached ofis is damn early

dont call them man and women... they still boy and girl...

If you get one bad intern, it could a bad one. If you get all bad, something wrong with your process.

Many hiring managers are lazy and take intern because they have to. Simply take candidate without filter and assign to subordinate with no bandwidth to monitor them. Any problem, ask HR to handle.

overall yes but not every single one

we had interns that are proactive to perform tasks, and even ask for anything else they can assist with, and we also had one that sleep on the desk & dont even inform when they completed task but take that time to rest.

around 5.50 . as TS said good thing Azan is early these days so easier wake up

no choice , traffic to PJ is horrendous if late .

Nah, you need to prep them for the reality.
And this is the reality.
Underperform -> Door is there.

Not Gen Z issue. I sometimes overslept and late for work too, since i'm a night owl. Not a morning person.

Nowadays if u depart 6 maybe u reach 6.30

But if u depart 6.30. u may arrive 7.30

Friend worked in IT field in PJ

Morning start work 4 or 5 am , go home at around 3 pm

Best ever

Initially one, but now become 2. 2 more are ok. We do have filters and assign each intern with specific project, and Senior engineer to monitor them. It help us with our CPD points.

lol same. I have 2 good interns now. About to finish end of this month, but we gave them one year contract to sambung.

same here

but i reach office early so i can clock out early

i follow europe style working.. if finish at 5pm and still got task, continue tomorrow unless betul2 urgent, then i complete on same day.

Millenials are ppl born between mid 1980s to mid 1990s

Gen Z lettew

Then it is not gen-z problem since some are ok. When hiring, you bound to get some bad one.

That's fucked... temp staff caused perm staff to lose privileges.

Last time we used to have different pantry for perm staff and intern. But the younger gen pointed out that this is some kind of discrimination, so my HR say ok lah, open for all. So now the temp staff buat hal, all perm staff marah the younger gen for suggesting the idea of pantry for all lol.

Partly Upbringing. Partly Individual Mindset. Partly Society’s Silence.

Partly Upbringing
No rightful family would raise a child to believe that showing up late, doing the bare minimum, or treating time like a joke is acceptable.
When someone dares to behave like that in public, it reflects one of two things: either poor upbringing, or a family that has no clue how to guide its own generation.

Worse, some parents defend this lack of discipline — continuing to back their kids in all the wrong ways.
That’s love done wrongly, and it ends up spoiling an entire generation.

Partly Individual Mindset
If someone doesn't care how their actions affect others, it’s not just immaturity — it’s selfishness.
It’s the mindset of someone who demands freedom but refuses to carry responsibility.

Let’s be honest: if you can’t even show up on time, you’re not ready for anything bigger in life.
Not leadership. Not trust. Not opportunity.

Partly Society’s Apathy
We see the problem. We talk about it. We rant online.
But do we actually correct it? Rarely.

We let it slide - “Not my problem.”

Every generation that isn’t corrected becomes everyone’s burden later.
And when reality finally steps in — it won’t be gentle. It won’t be kind.

~

Given the choice, I’ll take the hard path.
If they can’t even show basic discipline, there’s no need for them to continue their internship.
Fail them. Let them find a replacement placement elsewhere.
If they can’t, let them extend their graduation by another semester.

Their parents seem rich enough to back them — let them enjoy the extra time.
Some lessons only sink in when comfort is disrupted.

Ya wei, temp staff got nothing to lose. Work a few months then chow, while perm staff have to bear their consequences.

Gen z really strawberry generation.

Got this girl graduate from Taylor. On this interview special request, claim that one month she needs to take 2 days leave for golf competition because her body not that healthy and needs exercise

also more like TS is old school.

of course, this depend on type of work.

This post has been edited by ipohps3: Jun 6 2025, 11:38 AM

gen x are bad parents

spoiled their kids

dont really mind gen z's misbehavin
make me look good

what we need to be aware of is this gen after the z, the Alphas
when they come into the pic, that'll be interesting to watch



This post has been edited by machomama: Jun 6 2025, 11:40 AM

So I guys likes intern follow ka? But they didn't earn much

Gen alpha then lulz

We created this problem.

We tell ourselves we need to be caring and be positive. Cannot scold or punish kids if the break small rules like tardiness , etc.
Children grow up not fearing the consequences of non compliance to rules.

Like that lor.

gen alpha will be a smaller gen also? with declining birth rate

doubt it
with the overall population increase
it about evens it out

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Just don’t like the rigidity, no actual point most of the time.

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also more like TS is old school.

of course, this depend on type of work.

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Read post #11. My company have flexible working hours, as long as they complete 9hours. The problem is intern masuk suka-suka, balik suka-suka.

ADA KELIK AWEK GEN Z MACAM NI KE TAK HAH pepegaman

Janganlah make fun of my genz topkek crippling financial decision

Tapi I not as brave as the 2.5k celery beli seal

There’s one category that’s often overlooked by society — the Cusper Generations. These are people born on the edge of two generations, often called “cuspers.” They tend to carry traits from both sides — the one before and the one after.

Here’s a quick breakdown:

**Cusper Name**	**Birth Years**	**Current Age (2025)**	**Between**
------------------------------- -	------------------	----------------------------	--------------------------------
**Silents–Boomers Cusp**	1943–1949	76–82 years old	Silent Generation ↔ Baby Boomers
**Generation Jones**	1955–1965	60–70 years old	Baby Boomers ↔ Gen X
**Xennials**	1977–1983	42–48 years old	Gen X ↔ Millennials
**Zillennials**	1992–1998	27–33 years old	Millennials ↔ Gen Z
**Zoomers–Alphas Cusp**	2010–2015	10–15 years old	Gen Z ↔ Gen Alpha

From what I’ve observed so far, these cuspers are highly adaptive — they’re fluid like water. They blend in. They shift. They adjust. They can relate to the generation before them and connect easily with the one that comes after.

It’s like they’re made for in-between spaces — not fully one, not fully the other, but capable of understanding both.

Yep can totally relate

Every workplace have their rules. If u CHOOSE to work there, u have already agreed to follow the rules. Example rules say u have to come on monday to friday 8am-5pm, then come. Dont say like oh today no work because my machine is down and i cant do anythg without it, so i dont have to come etc.

U dont like the rigidity of that company and feel its pointless and doesnt suit you, then dont choose to work there. Dont work there than make your own rules and blame the company.

You become manager but no workers or lack of competent ones. Also problem

Of course, I’m not saying otherwise. Definitely should not make your own rules if company does not allow.
Current company offers the flexibility and it works out for both sides, just saying in general.

I’m not defending his interns lol I also think they are in the wrong

This post has been edited by DogeGamingPRO: Jun 6 2025, 12:13 PM

Is gen Z

Gen alpha too young to work unless the companies do child labour

fixed 9hrs in office and you call that flexible? that's rigid. please update your definition of flexible.

again, it depends on the type of work.

This post has been edited by ipohps3: Jun 6 2025, 12:19 PM

managing AI

They are just interns.If they are employees please whack la.

low pay with minimum effort. no point to work hard

Me as GenX concur with this. Myself also guilty as well. Now I am wondering how my kids will be when they starts their adult world.

That’s high. My time intern in 2007 RM500 only.

my company kecil kecil apply to seek in term kat local few uni...but they dont give a f to our company sebab size kecil dik.
dua tahun no ppl give us a f.
economi manyak bagus

Last time my first job got one intern can sleep in his cubicle lagi, somemore snoring. But kesian them la, my boss only give them menial tasks to do like photostat and bancuh kopi haha

Looking at the replies here, walao. Unker so embarassed as someone of the older generation

Come on la, they are interns. What do you expect? How much are you paying them?

Even if they are full timers, cannot expect everyone to work in the same time right? Sometimes some people have morning exercise. Some have to take care of parents. Some have to work late for other commitments so prefer to start later.

Besides, going to work at 8-9am is stupid especially when it is not a customer facing role. You can say it is flexible, but it is during the worst hour to commute. Flexibility is as long as before 10.30am and you work the hours to compensate.

Speaking of hours worked, this is an outdated measure of contribution la. Some work fast some work slow. So when the fast worker completes his job, you give him more work. Essentially you are punishing good behaviors. Then when he leaves, you ask where are all the good people. If people finish already let him go la. Those who are slow stay back until 12am to finish the damn job.

inb4: tak suka jangan kirija

1700 consider very high liao, market i think bagi 800-1k for internship.

If good intern will secure a slot in future employment if perform well. I guess they bring in their uni culture into workplace and piss off u.

Let me guess, Bangi one is government uni and PJ is private uni?

lets talk for real

1. internship is FORCED onto the student.
2. internship in Malaysia is shit.
3. how many companies actually have real interest to train intern and take them in after graduation ? It's a tax write off. Assign new laptop to intern, claim double tax relief...etc

This post has been edited by Redhunt: Jun 6 2025, 12:58 PM

env change, just change your policy... why so susah

your job is not their dream job.
if it is already reach before work.
they really want to be influencer, tiktoker, youtuber mrbeast etc.

This post has been edited by Phoenix_KL: Jun 6 2025, 01:06 PM

Can see many old boomers n b40 here

- lepak at mamak with friends until wee hours
- lying on bed watching TT until 3am-4am
- video call with bf/gf until 3am-4am
- late gaming
- live on TT asking for gifts 3am-4am

Gen bodoh

technically as the world progress, the newer generation gonna be more and more chill as technology do everything for us...

some new gen problem laaa.....my boy school got some student comes in late like 1hour, same reason overslept.....really WTF parents doing loooo

because employers attitude like this, the problem persists.

if you let go like this, the cycle will continue.

to have a good culture, at least issue a reminder or warning letter. with deduction of allowance if late.

if you dont train them well, they will carry the attitude to the new workplace too.

thats how malaysia fails as a whole. ppl think their small action doesnt carry any meaning.

1. there is no such thing as forced. students can always look for course without internship.
2. kinda true to certain level. but that doesnt mean the students need to act like a bad employee.
3. there is no real obligation to absorb intern after graduation, especially the internship is on the second last semester. double tax relief is not worthy to keep the intern for the pain.

very rare i am early to work hahaha, my bosses dont care as long I got the job done plus I go back later then everyone else

I notice youngsters these days veri hard wake up early. Like to sleep late and sleep in, so don’t mind working until sundown.

Not only during workdays, sometimes vacation also like to wake up late2 until afternoon. Wasted half day already.

Maybe they don’t like to spend time indoors? If wake up late means going home late, after work can go yumcha lepak till 12, then balik straight tido and wake up straight go to work, must means they don’t usually do anything at home right?

boomer mentality.
8-9am is actually not a good time as traffic usually heaviest if plan to arrive by those hours.

this is my argument:
i'm gonna giv 8 hours of work a day to company anyway.
working 8 hours a day +1 hour commute beats working 8 hours a day +3 hours of commute.
this is just example of how much u lost your life in unproductive traffic jam.

1. you don't know alot of courses in msia is forced meh ? You are going to argue next, that if don't like, go study overseas lor. The you are going to argue, if cannot study overseas, don;t study lor
2. bad working condition = bad attitude
3. no shit, hence (2)

This post has been edited by Redhunt: Jun 6 2025, 02:05 PM

My employers can come in from 7-9, and check out 4-6. That is flexible enough. We are specialist consultant firm, cant expect people to come in 11am. We usually have meeting with clients as early as 9am. Most companies, in or out malaysia practice the same thing.

Like u said yourself, depends on type of work. In my line of work where we are office based, this is flexible enough.

Your company allow u to work 3 hours for 8 hours pay? or u get paid by hour?

we work around the clock. work life integration. working with Intel AMD requires one to sync up with people in different time zones. sometimes late night like 12am. sometimes early morning like 6am. so you can split you work time at home.

This post has been edited by ipohps3: Jun 6 2025, 02:28 PM

u see, u work in IT dept. My friend working at Intel also same. We are working with local companies, so we have to adhere to local time.

So our situation same or not?

that's why I say depend on work lor. peace.

Gen-dut then

Not just kids nowadays. I mean when I was in uni, there are times that a lot of us skipped the morning session lecture. I'm pretty sure some of my gang are actually doing that, there is usually a guy or 2 who are more hardworking and he actually help us to sign the attendance

Me too. im not the brightest student in my class, and I always skip morning class. Most of my gang did the same thing. But when it come to work life, none of us ever been late because of overslept. And yet we still party until 3am, lepak at Asia cafe until 3am shisha, drinking, watching footies. Because we know if we fcked this up, we will be fcked for life.

Yea. Same, my early working life was sometimes party till late night (usually Friday onwards), but most weekdays we still play online games until 3-4am. I think the key different is we know that we have the responsibility so we make it a point to wake up early and go to work.

ini uncle yang rant mesti Gen X. sure this uncle born on 70th - 80th. i'm not gen Z btw but FYI, in local university we can arrange/choose our own class schedule. Me back then, i like to choose afternoon or evening class. haha

First of all, its 70s - 80s. Not 70th - 80th. Learn what is ordinal number.

2nd of all, I was in local U too. We are not allowed to arrange our class. If the core subject is in morning, morning it is. U just register your subject, the schedule is up to the lecturer.

Actually, the best argument is, internship is good if it is run correctly.

It gives the undergraduates a sense of what to expect in the future.