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post May 13 2025, 06:02 PM, updated 8 months ago

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KUCHING: Sarawak has launched a hydrogen economy roadmap to drive the state's hydrogen agenda through 2035 and beyond.

Sarawak Premier Tan Sri Abang Johari Openg said the roadmap was an important document that would guide policy implementation and the right approach towards developing the hydrogen economy.

"The hydrogen economy is a new approach to mitigate carbon emissions. It is also our contribution to lessen the effects of climate change.

"We in Sarawak are fortunate that we have the resources to strengthen our position and contribute to global efforts towards net zero emissions by 2050," he told a press conference after launching the roadmap at the hydrogen economy forum here on Tuesday (May 13).

Abang Johari said Sarawak will pursue new technologies to implement the policies listed in the roadmap.

"I think we are one of the first to have a clear roadmap towards a hydrogen economy.

"It's not easy because there are a lot of skeptics out there who are not convinced on the issue of hydrogen.

"But I believe with the technology available, the cost of hydrogen production will be less, and definitely, hydrogen will become the fuel of the future," he said, adding that Sarawak was on the right track.

In his speech earlier, Abang Johari said the roadmap was designed to navigate opportunities and challenges to accelerate Sarawak's transformation into a regionally recognised clean energy powerhouse.

"Scaling hydrogen to commercial levels requires massive capital investment, advanced technology, skilled talent and long-term policy stability," he said.

The Premier also said amendments to the Distribution of Gas Ordinance to regulate hydrogen activities, which were passed in the Sarawak Legislative Assembly in November, came into force on March 1.

The amendments include establishing a legal framework for appointing a hydrogen industry regulator and empowering the state government to impose relevant rates, levies, or charges on hydrogen operations.

Abang Johari said the state Energy and Environmental Sustainability Ministry was working to put in place supporting regulations and guidelines by year-end.

"This regulatory clarity will provide confidence to investors, operators and the public alike, ensuring that the hydrogen economy develops in a safe, structured and sustainable manner," he said.
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Hydrogen not more easier to kaboom meh?
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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ May 13 2025, 06:05 PM)
Hydrogen not more easier to kaboom meh?
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It is a volatile gas, safety has already been designed into the tech. That is the least of our worries
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QUOTE(Chowda @ May 13 2025, 07:26 PM)
It is a volatile gas, safety has already been designed into the tech. That is the least of our worries
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Bypass safety traits are higher in our DNA born in SEA.
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producing hydrogen will emit more greenhouse gases.

wayang from sarawak, as usual
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QUOTE(eds2 @ May 13 2025, 07:00 PM)
producing hydrogen will emit more greenhouse gases.

wayang from sarawak, as usual
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They all got Bakun so they can run many major energy intensive projects cleanly. I think they cancel the supply back to semenanjung so its all theirs

ironically Bakun ehsan PM favourite Sarawakians kek
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Good. I already came out list of hydrogen cars suitable to drive on Srwk road

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5491766
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QUOTE(9m2w @ May 13 2025, 07:12 PM)
They all got Bakun so they can run many major energy intensive projects cleanly. I think they cancel the supply back to semenanjung so its all theirs

ironically Bakun ehsan PM favourite Sarawakians kek
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Why they cancel supply electricity to Semenanjung?
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QUOTE(knwong @ May 13 2025, 07:16 PM)
Why they cancel supply electricity to Semenanjung?
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Costs implications I believe

Project revived that portion removed. After it was revived wanted to start up but economic conditions not favourable

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QUOTE(9m2w @ May 13 2025, 07:19 PM)
Costs implications I believe

Project revived that portion removed. After it was revived wanted to start up but economic conditions not favourable
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Well I think SG can proceed with it. It's way nearer than laying cables all the way from Australia
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QUOTE(knwong @ May 13 2025, 07:15 PM)
Good. I already came out list of hydrogen cars suitable to drive on Srwk road

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5491766
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Can buy miraii for just $15k these days lol
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the energy to produce hydrogen for just 1 vehicle can power many more evs
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If lazy, major construction works (including engineering) can sub to CCP.
Must push kaw kaw, push orang sendiri (tycoons) to use hydrogen power in their operations.
Petros semua orang sendiri ambil.
Instracture bagi semua orang sendiri...

whistling.gif On the surface, majulah Sarawak (and sure banyak orang support, GPS continue for another 20-30 years without competition). whistling.gif

Recently ada orang dreaming these.... (too 'innocent' already these ppl).

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Not careful, whole state may be flatten by hydrogen.
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I can see lots of empty 5MYR companies being set up in Sarawak just to cater for this project
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ May 13 2025, 08:31 PM)
I can see lots of empty 5MYR companies being set up in Sarawak just to cater for this project
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Sos?
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 13 2025, 09:08 PM)
Sos?
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Can take a leaf from the petros fiasco and in Sabah , how many empty companies are being formed in the past 1 yr just to lobby contracts from the state govt
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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ May 13 2025, 06:05 PM)
Hydrogen not more easier to kaboom meh?
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QUOTE(Chowda @ May 13 2025, 06:26 PM)
It is a volatile gas, safety has already been designed into the tech. That is the least of our worries
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Natural gas has more energy than hydrogen and everyone has natural gas tank at home.

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 13 2025, 09:08 PM)
Sos?
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That's why they acquire Affin Bank, easy to do shady transactions without alerting Bank Negara.
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QUOTE(eds2 @ May 13 2025, 07:00 PM)
producing hydrogen will emit more greenhouse gases.

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Utterly bollock. By product of hydrogen production is oxygen.

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QUOTE(70U63 @ May 13 2025, 08:21 PM)
Build many hydro power dams...
Cement supplied by orang sendiri
Forest area cleared by orang sendiri
Timber orang sendiri ambil
If lazy, major construction works (including engineering) can sub to CCP.
Must push kaw kaw, push orang sendiri (tycoons) to use hydrogen power in their operations.
Petros semua orang sendiri ambil.
Instracture bagi semua orang sendiri...

whistling.gif  On the surface, majulah Sarawak (and sure banyak orang support, GPS continue for another 20-30 years without competition).  whistling.gif

Recently ada orang dreaming these.... (too 'innocent' already these ppl).

user posted image
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ouch that butthurtness
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QUOTE(knwong @ May 13 2025, 07:16 PM)
Why they cancel supply electricity to Semenanjung?
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QUOTE(9m2w @ May 13 2025, 07:19 PM)
Costs implications I believe

Project revived that portion removed. After it was revived wanted to start up but economic conditions not favourable
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Sarawak don't owe semenanjung, could sell to whoever gives a higher price.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 13 2025, 09:52 PM)
Utterly bollock. By product of hydrogen production is oxygen.
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Lol, that's only true if they use water to extract those hydrogen, but by doing that would be bad for long term, you will be depleting fresh water supply.
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QUOTE(70U63 @ May 13 2025, 08:21 PM)
Build many hydro power dams...
Cement supplied by orang sendiri
Forest area cleared by orang sendiri
Timber orang sendiri ambil
If lazy, major construction works (including engineering) can sub to CCP.
Must push kaw kaw, push orang sendiri (tycoons) to use hydrogen power in their operations.
Petros semua orang sendiri ambil.
Instracture bagi semua orang sendiri...

whistling.gif  On the surface, majulah Sarawak (and sure banyak orang support, GPS continue for another 20-30 years without competition).  whistling.gif

Recently ada orang dreaming these.... (too 'innocent' already these ppl).

user posted image
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ouch that butthurtness
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 13 2025, 09:56 PM)
Sarawak don't owe semenanjung, could sell to whoever gives a higher price.
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Nobody says you owe semenanjung

Original bakun federal project was supposed to supply back excess to Semenanjung for a fair price not unlike other ipp suppliers via submarine cables but the economic crisis shelved the submarine cable part.

They later wanted to revive it as there was excess supply of electricity and only TNB and GLCs willing to undertake the project to lay the cables. But iinm it cost too much

So if Sarawak can find ways to use it up all the best. I don't know if you can find other buyers who can give you the sweet spot of high price and also footing the infra bill for the cables
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 13 2025, 09:52 PM)
Utterly bollock. By product of hydrogen production is oxygen.
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water splitting uses a lot of energy and also not efficient.

this is just another wayang from sarawak to say they're green and shit

you know whats the best? nuclear energy
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QUOTE(smsid @ May 13 2025, 09:58 PM)
Lol, that's only true if they use water to extract those hydrogen, but by doing that would be bad for long term, you will be depleting fresh water supply.
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Nao Jin Shui. Do you know how much H2 could be produced from 1m3 of water?

QUOTE(9m2w @ May 13 2025, 10:06 PM)
Nobody says you owe semenanjung

Original bakun federal project was supposed to supply back excess to Semenanjung for a fair price not unlike other ipp suppliers via submarine cables but the economic crisis shelved the submarine cable part.

They later wanted to revive it as there was excess supply of electricity and only TNB and GLCs willing to undertake the project to lay the cables. But iinm it cost too much

So if Sarawak can find ways to use it up all the best. I don't know if you can find other buyers who can give you the sweet spot of high price and also footing the infra bill for the cables
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Sg offer higher KW.h rate than tnb.

QUOTE(eds2 @ May 13 2025, 10:39 PM)
water splitting uses a lot of energy and also not efficient.

this is just another wayang from sarawak to say they're green and shit

you know whats the best? nuclear energy
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You have no idea of demand for green hydrogen.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 13 2025, 09:51 PM)
Natural gas has more energy than hydrogen and everyone has natural gas tank at home.
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Nobody has a natural gas tank at home.

Natural gas is mostly methane (CH4), very costly to liquify.

The cooking gas we have at home is LPG (liquified petroleum gas) are mostly propane (C3H8) and butane (C4H10), which are far bigger molecules than methane, which is why they could be economically liquified.


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QUOTE(eds2 @ May 13 2025, 10:39 PM)
water splitting uses a lot of energy and also not efficient.

this is just another wayang from sarawak to say they're green and shit

you know whats the best? nuclear energy
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On top the wasteful energy needed to split water, storing and transporting hydrogen are also very energy wasteful.
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 13 2025, 11:54 PM)
Nobody has a natural gas tank at home.

Natural gas is mostly methane (CH4), very costly to liquify.

The cooking gas we have at home is LPG (liquified petroleum gas) are mostly propane (C3H8) and butane (C4H10), which are far bigger molecules than methane, which is why they could be economically liquified.
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LPG has more energy than hydrogen and everyone has at least a tank at home.

QUOTE(trusol @ May 14 2025, 12:00 AM)
On top the wasteful energy needed to split water, storing and transporting hydrogen are also very energy wasteful.
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The objective of green hydrogen is to reduce carbon footprint.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 14 2025, 12:06 AM)
LPG has more energy than hydrogen and everyone has at least a tank at home.
Look back at your initial response lah. It was about volatility, i.e. far easier to kaboom because hydrogen escapes confinement very easily, never about energy density.

QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 14 2025, 12:06 AM)
The objective of green hydrogen is to reduce carbon footprint.
How to reduce carbon footprint if storing and transporting "green" hydrogen are going to use a lot of fossil fuels?


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ouch that butthurtness
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 14 2025, 12:20 AM)
How to reduce carbon footprint if storing and transporting "green" hydrogen are going to use a lot of fossil fuels?
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So transporting EV's with fossil fuels how?
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East msia is known for LNG. Suddenly hydrogen. Kek

Like sendiri got chicken farm, then suddenly says duck is better.
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QUOTE(Paradigmata @ May 14 2025, 07:38 AM)
East msia is known for LNG. Suddenly hydrogen. Kek

Like sendiri got chicken farm, then suddenly says duck is better.
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Before East Malaysia was known for LNG, it was known for pineapples and pepper.

Guess back then someone also said that sendiri got chicken farm, then suddenly says duck is better
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 14 2025, 12:20 AM)
Look back at your initial response lah. It was about volatility, i.e. far easier to kaboom because hydrogen escapes confinement very easily, never about energy density.
How to reduce carbon footprint if storing and transporting "green" hydrogen are going to use a lot of fossil fuels?
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Transport green H2 in ammonia is a solution.

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Sarawak aims to be Asean's leading green energy hub
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10:40 PM MYT

SIBU: Sarawak is positioning itself as the leading hub for renewable energy in the Asean region, with a comprehensive development strategy that focuses on economic prosperity, social inclusivity and environmental sustainability.

Premier Tan Sri Abang Johari Openg said Sarawak's transition into a green economy is well underway, driven by technological innovation, renewable resources and a strong commitment to sustainability.

"Our development strategy rests on three pillars – economic prosperity, social inclusivity and environmental sustainability. I am proud to say that Sarawakians have responded positively to this direction," he said at the Rimbunan Hijau Group of Companies' 50th anniversary celebration on Tuesday (May 13) night.

He highlighted the state's progression from a digital economy to one centred on green energy, particularly renewable sources such as hydrogen, supported by artificial intelligence and digitalisation.

"After introducing our digital economy, we migrated to what we call real green energy. Now we are focusing on renewable energy. Using AI and digitalisation enhances this new era of our economic strategy," he said.

Abang Johari stressed that Sarawak's abundance of natural resources provides a competitive advantage in renewable energy production.

"We are fortunate to be blessed with water and gas resources that enable the extraction of hydrogen – the cleanest form of energy – to replace fossil fuels. Hydrogen from water and methane offers us a viable alternative fuel to power our economy," he said.

He added that Sarawak's ultimate goal is to become the hub of renewable energy in Asean through the "Asean Green" initiative.

"We must align our economy with ESG principles. We have the resources, but what is crucial now is the development of our human capital," he said.

Reflecting on a recent engagement with the London School of Economics, Abang Johari shared that international academics recognised Sarawak's potential.

"The professors at LSE said we are very fortunate in our part of the world – Borneo and Sarawak – because we possess what is now termed 'natural capital': untouched forests acting as carbon sinks, abundant hydrogen potential and people who can be trained."

He said the synergy between natural capital and human capital, driven by innovation and entrepreneurship, would allow Sarawak to thrive in the green economy.

"With the success of initiatives like Rimbunan Hijau and our continued focus on green development, I am confident Sarawak will become 'hijau, hijau, hijau' (green) for the world economy," he said.

Source: https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2025...reen-energy-hub
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QUOTE(eds2 @ May 13 2025, 10:39 PM)
water splitting uses a lot of energy and also not efficient.

this is just another wayang from sarawak to say they're green and shit

you know whats the best? nuclear energy
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They are scaling back on nuclear power station.

Look at Spain, almost no news lately after major blackout for days.

Now they are doubling down on useless green energy initiatives after the blackout, to further crippled their own existing power supply and wasting billions of money to dismantle their already existing nuclear power stations.

So they are dismantling all 7 nuclear power stations by 2035, crazy right?

People are getting stupider by the year, especially the politicians.

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Spain is phasing out its nuclear power plants by 2035, with the first shutdown planned for 2027. The country has confirmed plans to close all seven remaining reactors between 2027 and 2035. This phase-out is part of a broader shift towards renewable energy sources.

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MADRID, Dec 27 (Reuters) - Spain on Wednesday confirmed plans to close the country's nuclear plants by 2035 as it presented energy measures including extended deadlines for renewable projects and adjusted renewable auctions.

The management of radioactive waste and dismantling of the plants, whose shut down will begin in 2027, will cost about 20.2 billion euros ($22.4 billion) and will be paid for by a fund supported by the plants' operators, the government said.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/spa...nes-2023-12-27/

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QUOTE(haya @ May 14 2025, 07:38 AM)
So transporting EV's with fossil fuels how?
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Your EV everyday shipped from China and then at night shipped back to China? EV is charged via the electricity grid, electricity is delivered by electrons.

Hydrogen fuel stations must be re-supplied by very expensive storage trucks after only 30 to 60 cars have refueled because hydrogen is too low-density.


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QUOTE(smsid @ May 14 2025, 08:41 AM)
They are scaling back on nuclear power station.

Look at Spain, almost no news lately after major blackout for days.

Now they are doubling down on useless green energy initiatives after the blackout, to further crippled their own existing power supply and wasting billions of money to dismantle their already existing nuclear power stations.

So they are dismantling all 7 nuclear power stations by 2035, crazy right?

People are getting stupider by the year, especially the politicians.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/spa...nes-2023-12-27/
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China truly understands how to use renewable energy properly. People often ask why China is building so many new coal and nuclear power stations but at the same time add so much solar power.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 14 2025, 08:08 AM)
Transport green H2 in ammonia is a solution.
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Transporting lots of ammonia around is really asking for trouble. Imagine an overturned ammonia-carrying truck in a densely populated area. On top of that, must have ammonia cracking and hydrogen liquefaction facility at every refueling stations? Madness.
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 14 2025, 06:44 PM)
Transporting lots of ammonia around is really asking for trouble. Imagine an overturned ammonia-carrying truck in a densely populated area. On top of that, must have ammonia cracking and hydrogen liquefaction facility at every refueling stations? Madness.
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There are hydrogen refuelling station in PRC and Japanese cities. A H2 refuelling station is near Tokyo tower.

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QUOTE(trusol @ May 14 2025, 06:44 PM)
Transporting lots of ammonia around is really asking for trouble. Imagine an overturned ammonia-carrying truck in a densely populated area. On top of that, must have ammonia cracking and hydrogen liquefaction facility at every refueling stations? Madness.
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And somehow we manage to do that with petrol and diesel and gas tanks.

But say hydrogen (plus minus ammonia) and people lose their minds
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QUOTE(haya @ May 15 2025, 06:31 AM)
And somehow we manage to do that with petrol and diesel and gas tanks.

But say hydrogen (plus minus ammonia) and people lose their minds
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Ammonia truck crash same level of danger with petrol truck crash?

On May 11, 1976, an ammonia truck disaster killed 7 Houstonians and injured nearly 200

That above incident fortunately happened on a highway. If happen in a densely populated area, how many will die? Anyone near the ammonia cloud very likely to suffocate to death. Any part of your body with water such as your eyes, throat and lungs will be burned. Petrol fumes not easy to kill anyone.



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QUOTE(trusol @ May 17 2025, 02:11 AM)
Ammonia truck crash same level of danger with petrol truck crash?

That above incident fortunately happened on a highway. If happen in a densely populated area, how many will die? Anyone near the ammonia cloud very likely to suffocate to death. Any part of your body with water such as your eyes, throat and lungs will be burned. Petrol fumes not easy to kill anyone.

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petrol tanker truck is more dangerous as easier to ignite.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 14 2025, 07:35 PM)
There are hydrogen refuelling station in PRC and Japanese cities. A H2 refuelling station is near Tokyo tower.
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Hydrogen supply reliability is a huge problem. No such problem with electricity.


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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 17 2025, 02:14 AM)
petrol tanker truck is more dangerous as easier to ignite.
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Only those stupid enough go very near it greedy for the fuel can potentially be burnt if there was a spark.

Ammonia clouds can cover a very large area.


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Kejap AI kejap hydrogen
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Hydrogen supply reliability is a huge problem. No such problem with electricity.
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Roadmap is good

But the implementation of that roadmap is a whole another thing to do

Getting ready to be one of the exporters of hydrogen fuel of the future is indeed a good idea.
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Why cant they just focus on less tech intense industries? They got huge land so focus on agriculture la at least most of those rural people there will have more job opportunities in something theyre familiar with. Look at australia, new zealand
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 17 2025, 02:11 AM)
Ammonia truck crash same level of danger with petrol truck crash?

On May 11, 1976, an ammonia truck disaster killed 7 Houstonians and injured nearly 200

That above incident fortunately happened on a highway. If happen in a densely populated area, how many will die? Anyone near the ammonia cloud very likely to suffocate to death. Any part of your body with water such as your eyes, throat and lungs will be burned. Petrol fumes not easy to kill anyone.


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Meanwhile fuel tankers:









But once hydrogen and ammonia are involved people lose their minds
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QUOTE(ruffy_z @ May 17 2025, 09:33 AM)
Why cant they just focus on less tech intense industries? They got huge land so focus on agriculture la at least most of those rural people there will have more job opportunities in something theyre familiar with. Look at australia, new zealand
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So East Malaysians are not worthy of climbing up the value chain and are locked out from the wealth of industrialization?

Guess in the past you would have told the Taiwanese to stick to growing mango's and and rice, instead of having TSMC or Asus, because China would invade them anyway. Stick to something that they're familiar with, amrite?
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So East Malaysians are not worthy of climbing up the value chain and are locked out from the wealth of industrialization?

Guess in the past you would have told the Taiwanese to stick to growing mango's and and rice, instead of having TSMC or Asus, because China would invade them anyway. Stick to something that they're familiar with, amrite?
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Dude, taiwan is how many million people compared to the 2.4 million sarawakians. They have much more talents over there. You do swot analysis and pick the best strategy
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Dude, taiwan is how many million people compared to the 2.4 million sarawakians. They have much more talents over there. You do swot analysis and pick the best strategy
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And how much population does Singapore have?

They should have just went back crawling to Malaysia after 1965 right?
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QUOTE(ruffy_z @ May 17 2025, 09:33 AM)
Why cant they just focus on less tech intense industries? They got huge land so focus on agriculture la at least most of those rural people there will have more job opportunities in something theyre familiar with. Look at australia, new zealand
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We are, but it is not high income industry to attract back Sarawakians to work here.

The plan is to diversify into higher tier industries to attract talents, and to retain the work force. Agriculture is the back bone, but focusing on it is dead end also.
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And how much population does Singapore have?

They should have just went back crawling to Malaysia after 1965 right?
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The whole population living in a city the size of kuching while sarawak population is dispersed in a state the size of west malaysia
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QUOTE(haya @ May 17 2025, 12:52 PM)
So East Malaysians are not worthy of climbing up the value chain and are locked out from the wealth of industrialization?

Guess in the past you would have told the Taiwanese to stick to growing mango's and and rice, instead of having TSMC or Asus, because China would invade them anyway. Stick to something that they're familiar with, amrite?
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how much rice and mango taiwan can grow on their puny land? it make sense for them to go to tech and industrialization..
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The whole population living in a city the size of kuching while sarawak population is dispersed in a state the size of west malaysia
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And that means we should just stick to our knitting agriculture and not move up the value chain?
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Japan, PRC, etc are promoting fuel cell vehicle.
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One particular city in China, Foshan promotes it a lot but up until now it is a failure. Last 18 months only sold 85 hydrogen cars compared to over 200,000 EVs. Foshan's hydrogen tram service already suspended.

Pending rep: Suspension of hydrogen tram line in China not boding well for ART project

Japan kept on promoting hydrogen is suicide. Toyota already bet on the wrong horse, now desperately playing catch up with China on EVs.


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QUOTE(brkli @ May 17 2025, 04:38 PM)
how much rice and mango taiwan can grow on their puny land? it make sense for them to go to tech and industrialization..
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So Sarawakians are not entitled to develop tech and new economy energies, but should just plant pepper and pineapples forever?
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The green hydrogen stupidity: Can connect directly but purposely want to convert and convert and convert and convert.
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So Sarawakians are not entitled to develop tech and new economy energies, but should just plant pepper and pineapples forever?
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u think agriculture is just manual labour? now already 2025. there are tons of tech involve in agriculture. too many to list down. some biotech advancement are also focus on agriculture to produce better crops and harvest. there are also advancement in drone and automation and etc.

but is ok. from you reply i understand already hydrogen and ai is better.. coz buzzword = going up the value chain.
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QUOTE(brkli @ May 17 2025, 04:51 PM)
u think agriculture is just manual labour? now already 2025. there are tons of tech involve in agriculture. too many to list down. some biotech advancement are also focus on agriculture to produce better crops and harvest. there are also advancement in drone and automation and etc.

but is ok. from you reply i understand already hydrogen and ai is better.. coz buzzword = going up the value chain.
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And guess what Sarawak is also doing?

https://www.theborneopost.com/2025/03/02/le...ure-technology/

https://www.theborneopost.com/2018/10/05/io...n-boost-sector/

https://www.theborneopost.com/2023/01/12/sd...ity-at-centexs/

https://www.theborneopost.com/2024/08/14/in...rt-agriculture/

https://www.theborneopost.com/2023/11/26/fa...s-productivity/

https://www.theborneopost.com/2025/05/10/sa...porter-by-2030/

https://www.theborneopost.com/2023/12/01/te...per-production/

As the saying goes, can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 17 2025, 05:39 PM)
One particular city in China, Foshan promotes it a lot but up until now it is a failure. Last 18 months only sold 85 hydrogen cars compared to over 200,000 EVs. Foshan's hydrogen tram service already suspended.

Pending rep: Suspension of hydrogen tram line in China not boding well for ART project

Japan kept on promoting hydrogen is suicide. Toyota already bet on the wrong horse, now desperately playing catch up with China on EVs.
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Sarawakians ego very big. Wont learn from others that have failed and analyze them.

Prefer to try their own and fail and learn from them.
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 17 2025, 04:39 PM)
One particular city in China, Foshan promotes it a lot but up until now it is a failure. Last 18 months only sold 85 hydrogen cars compared to over 200,000 EVs. Foshan's hydrogen tram service already suspended.

Pending rep: Suspension of hydrogen tram line in China not boding well for ART project

Japan kept on promoting hydrogen is suicide. Toyota already bet on the wrong horse, now desperately playing catch up with China on EVs.
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Compared with ev, fuel cell vehicle is harder to manufacture. At the moment, green H2 is expensive but with advancing technology, green H2 production cost will be cheaper.

QUOTE(trusol @ May 17 2025, 04:43 PM)
The green hydrogen stupidity: Can connect directly but purposely want to convert and convert and convert and convert.
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Ev is similarly going through a few stages of energy conversion. The source of ev energy may not be green.

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Sarawakians ego very big. Wont learn from others that have failed and analyze them.

Prefer to try their own and fail and learn from them.
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So many have already failed and yet Sarawak thinks it is different. Not sure why it has that attitude. Probably because of politics rather than economics or science.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 17 2025, 05:04 PM)
Compared with ev, fuel cell vehicle is harder to manufacture. At the moment, green H2 is expensive but with advancing technology, green H2 production cost will be cheaper.
Ev is similarly going through a few stages of energy conversion. The source of ev energy may not be green.
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You can already do it with solar panels on your roof top now lah. Not green enough for you? Must be super ultra green, like for example the solar panels and EV must use green electricity to make? That's the future, not now, when most electricity is from solar.
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QUOTE(haya @ May 17 2025, 04:56 PM)
the "saying" is "jack of all trades, master of none".. they are already good at agriculture, but rather govt double down on the effort to bring it to next level like more focus on biotech research facility... but rather choose to have some high buzz word project..
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You can already do it with solar panels on your roof top now lah. Not green enough for you? Must be super ultra green, like for example the solar panels and EV must use green electricity to make? That's the future, not now, when most electricity is from solar.
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Do you know how much KW.h electricity could be produced from one M2 of solar panel?

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QUOTE(brkli @ May 17 2025, 05:14 PM)
the "saying" is "jack of all trades, master of none".. they are already good at agriculture, but rather govt double down on the effort to bring it to next level like more focus on biotech research facility... but rather choose to have some high buzz word project..
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Well better than being dependent on 1 industry. Places like Saudi Arabia or Brunei or Portugal with 1 industry making up the economy: is it any better?
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Do you know how much KW.h electricity could be produced from one M2 of solar panel?
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Doesn't matter how much it produces. Your roofs are not doing anything with the sunlight that shines on it.

To produce 20kwh per day needs 5kw of panels, around 80 sq meter of solar panels. Totally doable.

Solar tiles have been produced. It makes more sense to use them rather than traditional ones and then add solar panels.


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Doesn't matter how much it produces. Your roofs are not doing anything with the sunlight that shines on it.

To produce 20kwh per day needs 5kw of panels, around 80 sq meter of solar panels. Totally doable.

Solar tiles have been produced. It makes more sense to use them rather than traditional ones and then add solar panels.
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How many home could install 80m2 solar panels without causing the roof to leak?



 

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