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 Which hydrogen cars will you drive on Srwk road?

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TSknwong
post Oct 31 2024, 07:57 AM, updated 2y ago

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I saw a couple of Toyota Mirai and Hyundai Nexo already roaming Kuching road. I always wonder where will they go to fuel up. Anyway which of the following H2 ride will you buy if it is for sell here?

1. Toyota Mirai
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2. Hyundai Nexo
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3. BMW iX5 Hydrogen
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4. Hyundai N Vision 74
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5. Toyota GR Yaris H2
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6. Honda CR-V FCEV
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7. Hyperion XP-1
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8. Toyota Hilux Hydrogen
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9. NamX HUV
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10. Alpine A4810 Concept
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11. Hyundai INITIUM concept
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Toyota in their pipeline they are planning to build Toyota Crown FCEV and AE86 Hydrogen too rclxms.gif

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max_cavalera
post Oct 31 2024, 08:00 AM

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Already have hydrogen station for public or not?
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post Oct 31 2024, 08:01 AM

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Heroicage
post Oct 31 2024, 08:13 AM

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until it gets cheaper....sure...

otherwise...14 times more expensive to drive a hydrogen car vs EV car....

sorry....don't want to own one.

https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/transport/a..._sso_ott=1iEnev


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post Oct 31 2024, 08:17 AM

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post Oct 31 2024, 08:18 AM

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Is there a refueling station?

Hilux hydrogen cukup power compared to diesel?
TSknwong
post Oct 31 2024, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(Heroicage @ Oct 31 2024, 08:13 AM)
until it gets cheaper....sure...

otherwise...14 times more expensive to drive a hydrogen car vs EV car....

sorry....don't want to own one.

https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/transport/a..._sso_ott=1iEnev
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It will be cheaper with economies of scale

https://kleanindustries.com/resources/marke...drogen-engines/

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post Oct 31 2024, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(Heroicage @ Oct 31 2024, 09:13 AM)
until it gets cheaper....sure...

otherwise...14 times more expensive to drive a hydrogen car vs EV car....

sorry....don't want to own one.

https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/transport/a..._sso_ott=1iEnev
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Hualawei… 14x more pricy to pump hydrogen?? 😳🤯

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post Oct 31 2024, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(pandah @ Oct 31 2024, 09:18 AM)
Is there a refueling station?

Hilux hydrogen cukup power compared to diesel?
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Yeah maybe theres potential to replace diesel powered lorry, trailers, pickup trucks.
TSknwong
post Oct 31 2024, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Oct 31 2024, 08:39 AM)
Hualawei… 14x more pricy to pump hydrogen?? 😳🤯
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I hope Sarawak can sell it cheap or free for that matter, since they are producing abundance of it for export. Using clean excess hydro energy so even if local waste it, won’t damage the environment
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post Oct 31 2024, 09:00 AM

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Hydrogen think only issue really is storage and not sure about cost of hydrogen refuelling itself but prefer hydrogen then EV.
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QUOTE(knwong @ Oct 31 2024, 09:58 AM)
I hope Sarawak can sell it cheap or free for that matter, since they are producing abundance of it for export. Using clean excess hydro energy so even if local waste it, won’t damage the environment
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Anneh not expert but hear pipur more expert discuss the extensive cost of storage and transport and trying to store it in liquid form the cost is $$$$$$ due to complicated process or expensive equipment.
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post Oct 31 2024, 09:13 AM

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We got 3,530 gas station
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How many hydrogen station? 1? buy ge lan? if pump service down then your can throw away?


QUOTE(knwong @ Oct 31 2024, 07:57 AM)
I saw a couple of Toyota Mirai and Hyundai Nexo already roaming Kuching road. I always wonder where they will go to fuel up. Anyway hhich of the following H2 ride will you buy if it is for sell here?

1. Toyota Mirai
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


2. Hyundai Nexo
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


3. BMW iX5 Hydrogen
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


4. Hyundai N Vision 74
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


5. Toyota GR Yaris H2
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


6. Honda CR-V FCEV
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


7. Hyperion XP-1
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


8. Toyota Hilux Hydrogen
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


9. NamX HUV
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


10. Alpine A4810 Concept
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Toyota in their pipeline they will plan to built Toyota Crown FCEV and AE86 Hydrogen too  rclxms.gif
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post Oct 31 2024, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(knwong @ Oct 31 2024, 08:27 AM)
It will be cheaper with economies of scale

https://kleanindustries.com/resources/marke...drogen-engines/

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Did you read this part of your link? Which I already knew....

Although hydrogen is the most common element in the universe it’s never found in its pure state, since is generally combined with other elements. As a consequence, creating pure hydrogen for vehicles requires a great deal of energy process to break the compound, which is derived from fossil fuels like natural gas.


Good luck to BMW + Toyota...

Here's another real life challenges/issues using "hydrogen" scenario in San Francisco
https://insideevs.com/news/708375/toyota-mi...stations-close/

While this points the poor refueling stations, at least EV cars can be charge from anywhere that has a household electric socket , with the vehicle adapters, likewise...fossil fuel cars. You can't even produce liquid hydrogen at home or buy a special hydrogen tank-fill it up and refuel them at convenience....

By the time, hydrogen reaches it's practical state vs fossil fuel, ...EV technology would have excelled much further.

IMO, in no time....it's obvious which is phasing out which.

Note: I am not anti-HFCV.






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post Oct 31 2024, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Oct 31 2024, 08:39 AM)
Hualawei… 14x more pricy to pump hydrogen?? 😳🤯
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we plug socket to get electricity to power EV, we won't get 100% or even 90% efficiency from battery storage...
power from plug comes from?... fossil fuel burning. 1 stage

we use liquid hydrogen to power HFCV, we won't get 100% efficiency either, we will even get incomplete combustion, that produces nitrous oxide. 1 car maybe nothing...if 1,000 cars...bad to environment.
power from liquid hydrogen ?...fossil fuel- > electricity to process to liquid -> ...2 stage.
Also require far more electricity to process it and liquidify them, and maintain it in liquid form.


so...where is the plus?..greener?...

Toyota Mirai, and Mirai stands for dream....and should remain just a "dream". LOL.
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post Oct 31 2024, 09:49 AM

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US have tried decades but failed.
Can Sarawak succeed where US failed?

Would people buy premium priced hydrogen car over cheaper ICE/Hybrid/EV car?

LOL
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post Oct 31 2024, 09:56 AM

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post Oct 31 2024, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Heroicage @ Oct 31 2024, 09:13 AM)
Did you read this part of your link? Which I already knew....

Although hydrogen is the most common element in the universe it’s never found in its pure state, since is generally combined with other elements. As a consequence, creating pure hydrogen for vehicles requires a great deal of energy process to break the compound, which is derived from fossil fuels like natural gas.
Good luck to BMW + Toyota...

Here's another real life challenges/issues using "hydrogen" scenario in San Francisco
https://insideevs.com/news/708375/toyota-mi...stations-close/

While this points the poor refueling stations, at least EV cars can be charge from anywhere that has a household electric socket , with the vehicle adapters, likewise...fossil fuel cars. You can't even produce liquid hydrogen at home or buy a special hydrogen tank-fill it up and refuel them at convenience....

By the time, hydrogen reaches it's practical state vs fossil fuel, ...EV technology would have excelled much further.

IMO, in no time....it's obvious which is phasing out which.

Note: I am not anti-HFCV.
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too much flaw in hydrogen and to further development will car makers gamble billions for it? will the billions even solve issues with hydrogen

this green dream started more than decade ago and can see how bad it is in terms of just everything
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post Oct 31 2024, 10:03 AM

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Pray that Sarawak will prove everyone that belittle the ideas wrong.
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post Oct 31 2024, 10:09 AM

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Hopefully Sarawak better than UK since UK sudah lingkup their H fuel stations

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