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post May 12 2025, 12:15 AM, updated 8 months ago

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MOE released a list of 808 Candidates eligible for SPM 9A+ Scholarship.

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https://bmipenajaan.jpa.gov.my/ms/?view=art...id=142&catid=11

SENARAI NAMA CALON PROGRAM KHAS LEPASAN SIJIL PELAJARAN MALAYSIA DALAM NEGARA (LSPM) TAHUN 2025

I did a simple conversion from PDF to XLSX.
Apply a Colour Filtering based on these Criteria.
1. Type M - Filter with "BIN" (Coverage big enough for BIN/BINTI
2. Type I - Filter with "/" for "A/L" or "A/P"
3. Type C and Others dropped into No Fill.
4. Manually Filter through Step 1-3 for Misrepesented Groups
5. Apply =SUBTOTAL(3,C5:C812) counter to ease my Filtering counting.

Interesting finding got a kid with the name "RIKA TSUKADA". I think Japanese kid took Malaysian SPM.

NOTYPENUMBER OF ELIGIBLE RECEIPIENTS
1 M 437
2 C 332
3 I 31
4 Others 8

Link to Analysis spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w91...of=true&sd=true

School with the most amount of Straight A candidates.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «




Personal thought on how to game this system to get the SPM full scholarships
1. Reopen back SPM Subjects to 14-20 subjects, without the 12 subject cap.
2. Maintain 9A+ Scholarship eligibility requirement.
3. Let's all the smart students to know how to game the system, go sit all the watered down ez list of SPM subjects to get 9A+, by sitting atleast 12+ subjects with 4 or more backups A+

Apparently based on MOE, we have 95 SPM Subjects, Pretty sure finding few more As in that list would be easier.

For those type-C who plans to game the system:
1. Drop SPM Bahasa Cina for easier subjects, you have 3-4 more back up subjects from the availability Subject List to Score A+. Maybe takes Econs/Principle of Accounting/Computer Science/Arts/....

Given Bahasa Cina always cause type-C to fail to get 9A+. Otherwise it is Moral / BM is rigged.
Personally as someone who struggled with Malaysian Bahasa Cina Syllabus, dropping BC in exchange for other subjects will get better ROI. But surely some Dongzhong will marah, will end up killing the SPM subject.

But I think if the SPM Candidate thinks that if they will not get hired because their SPM Cert don't have Bahasa Cina.
Can always resit the SPM Bahasa Cina in the next following year. Secure the LSPM/JPA Scholarship first.
Consider the consequences of not taking Mandarin at SPM level later. But generally most company see you skin look like Cina.
Speak abit of Cina, they close one eye let you in already.



Interesting finding so many M right now smarter than type C.
Not sure is it because more M in this generation compared to Type C.
Need to do an analysis on no of Type of Students / Overall number of their race analysis.

But I think Type C might be still smarter hmm.gif Given we smaller population and bred and has less kids compared to Type M.


Comments to KPM:
1. 2025 liao, please translate or make our education more accessible by making of Digital textbook and exam papers atleast bilingual. Who the hells studies Computer Science in Malay rclxub.gif

Adding English, and Malay into our Syllabus will definitely lessen the gap difference, or atleast improve basic subjects fundamentals in terms of understanding.

Or atleast force people who fails SPM Sejarah to get atleast a pass, given if more English exams are given as an bilingual answering option. Since not every Malaysian can be fluent in Malay. Heck Melayu pun can fail SPM BM.

2. We need to introduce SPM at Different Difficulty Levels like in Singapore.
They have introduced G1(weak) / G2 ( normal) / G3 ( express/export ) subjects in their O-Levels to level out the playing field. (But I can see students will abuse this system to take all G1 subjects to aim for scholarships laugh.gif )



3. Transparency on Grading Thresholds, Bellcurves points and Statement of Results Slip.
I saw alot of Type-C Keys paying RM100 / paper, to get their paper remarked most of them get Kekal, hardly gotten Berubah change.

I think Statement of Results should atleast give students see whether their should remark their papers. By providing a percentage uniform mark. (PUM) system
But you can keep your SPM Official Certification to be the same, without displaying the Percentage Uniform Mark.

Just follow what is Cambridge is doing.

Also give students an option to buy back their Exam Scripts with actual examiner comments and markings.

Also not sure why in Malaysia our exam papers are Confidential along with its marking scheme by Law.
Alot of countries like Australia / UK / New Zealand have their exam paper marking scheme, exam reports and comments, released publically. rclxub.gif

This post has been edited by iSean: May 12 2025, 01:02 AM
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I used to think Type C is generally smarter.. then I joined /kopitiam..
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QUOTE(iSean @ May 12 2025, 12:15 AM)

Personal thought on how to game this system to get the SPM full scholarships
1. Reopen back SPM Subjects to 14-20 subjects, without the 12 subject cap.
2. Maintain 9A+ requirement.
3. Let's all the smart students to know how to game the system, go sit all the watered down ez list of SPM subjects to get 9A+, by sitting atleast 12+ subjects with 4 or more backups A+
Interesting finding so many M right now smarter than type C.
Not sure is it because more M in this generation compared to Type C.
Need to do an analysis on no of Type of Students / Overall number of their race analysis.
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the result quite match with the racial ratio
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I used to think Type C is generally smarter.. then I joined /kopitiam..
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SMK PEREMPUAN CHINA PULAU PINANG 10

*triggered*

kenapa ada sekolah China kat Tanah Melayu?? Pulau Pinang lagi? Biadap betul negeri DAP perintah sampai sekolah pun sudah tumbang kepada mereka vmad.gif vmad.gif
Hari ni sekolah China, semalam Navy China masuk, esok pulak kerajaan negeri sudah jadi China punya. Pulau Pinang pun memang mini-China sekarang kan

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I used to think Type C is generally smarter.. then I joined /kopitiam..
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I used to think Type C is generally smarter.. then I joined /kopitiam..
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So so much data still want to say bodoh and perlu tongkat? that sounds saddening no?
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* Malay Students: The actual number of Malay students scoring 9+ A's (437) is slightly lower than what would be expected (around 469) if performance were directly proportional to their population share. Their representation among high achievers (54.08%) is slightly below their population percentage (58.08%).
* Chinese Students: Chinese students show a significantly higher number of high achievers (332) compared to their population-based expectation (around 181). They represent 41.09% of the high achievers while making up 22.37% of the population.
* Indian Students: The actual number of Indian students achieving 9+ A's (31) is lower than the expected number (around 53). Their representation among high achievers (3.84%) is below their population percentage (6.54%).
* Other Students: Students in the "Others" category also show a significantly lower number of high achievers (8) compared to their population-based expectation (around 105). Their representation among high achievers (0.99%) is markedly lower than their population percentage (13.01%).

Tyoe C 2.0 still win loh
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QUOTE(StorMx @ May 12 2025, 02:24 AM)
So so much data still want to say bodoh and perlu tongkat? that sounds saddening no?
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lol my alumni top 2.. wont tell which but lotsa ex ministers send their kids there.. even got one lapdog minister used to be teach there
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insecure type c kturds still wanna compare by ratio kek

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As long as more Malaysian are getting smarter, that's enough, be it what type. Our county needs more talented people to achieve greater prosperity.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ May 12 2025, 12:24 AM)
I used to think Type C is generally smarter.. then I joined /kopitiam..
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Actually local type C DNA is not smart as it is mainly descendent of farmer or fisherman. But hardworking DNA and low baseline make the difference

If u fear of local type C, be prepared to hv shock of ur life when meet mainlanders

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QUOTE(Neoneoneo @ May 12 2025, 07:09 AM)
* Malay Students: The actual number of Malay students scoring 9+ A's (437) is slightly lower than what would be expected (around 469) if performance were directly proportional to their population share. Their representation among high achievers (54.08%) is slightly below their population percentage (58.08%).
* Chinese Students: Chinese students show a significantly higher number of high achievers (332) compared to their population-based expectation (around 181). They represent 41.09% of the high achievers while making up 22.37% of the population.
* Indian Students: The actual number of Indian students achieving 9+ A's (31) is lower than the expected number (around 53). Their representation among high achievers (3.84%) is below their population percentage (6.54%).
* Other Students: Students in the "Others" category also show a significantly lower number of high achievers (8) compared to their population-based expectation (around 105). Their representation among high achievers (0.99%) is markedly lower than their population percentage (13.01%).

Tyoe C 2.0 still win loh
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Sabah and sarawak bumi not using BIN?

Likely group under Type m. Then it is proportional lower than 70% population
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QUOTE(abelyap @ May 12 2025, 08:39 AM)
Actually local type C DNA is not smart as it is mainly descendent of farmer or fisherman. But hardworking DNA and low baseline make the difference

If u fear of local type C, be prepared to hv shock of ur life when meet mainlanders
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even local type C fears mainlanders lolz
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u fools who is pitting each race against another

we all shud be working with each other against the other countries who is eating into our pie big time

when r u ppl gonna realize everyone loses if we keep fighting among each other
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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ May 12 2025, 08:52 AM)
even local type C fears mainlanders lolz
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Actually yes. They r way smarter as they r mainly descendent of mandarin.

Level of competition and innovation is much higher there
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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ May 12 2025, 08:52 AM)
even local type C fears mainlanders lolz
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Well Malaysian get cozy ald dun wanna get into sweat mill
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QUOTE(akhito @ May 12 2025, 09:15 AM)
Well Malaysian get cozy ald dun wanna get into sweat mill
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we malaysians doesnt matter what type already accustomed to southeast asians way
thats why dont let the mainlanders infiltrate and destroy it
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QUOTE(iSean @ May 12 2025, 12:15 AM)
MOE released a list of 808 Candidates eligible for SPM 9A+ Scholarship.

user posted image

https://bmipenajaan.jpa.gov.my/ms/?view=art...id=142&catid=11

SENARAI NAMA CALON PROGRAM KHAS LEPASAN SIJIL PELAJARAN MALAYSIA DALAM NEGARA (LSPM) TAHUN 2025

I did a simple conversion from PDF to XLSX.
Apply a Colour Filtering based on these Criteria.
1. Type M - Filter with "BIN" (Coverage big enough for BIN/BINTI
2. Type I - Filter with "/" for "A/L" or "A/P"
3. Type C and Others dropped into No Fill.
4. Manually Filter through Step 1-3 for Misrepesented Groups
5. Apply =SUBTOTAL(3,C5:C812) counter to ease my Filtering counting.

Interesting finding got a kid with the name "RIKA TSUKADA". I think Japanese kid took Malaysian SPM.

NOTYPENUMBER OF ELIGIBLE RECEIPIENTS
1 M 437
2 C 332
3 I 31
4 Others 8

Link to Analysis spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w91...of=true&sd=true

School with the most amount of Straight A candidates.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Personal thought on how to game this system to get the SPM full scholarships
1. Reopen back SPM Subjects to 14-20 subjects, without the 12 subject cap.
2. Maintain 9A+ Scholarship eligibility requirement.
3. Let's all the smart students to know how to game the system, go sit all the watered down ez list of SPM subjects to get 9A+, by sitting atleast 12+ subjects with 4 or more backups A+

Apparently based on MOE, we have 95 SPM Subjects, Pretty sure finding few more As in that list would be easier.

For those type-C who plans to game the system:
1. Drop SPM Bahasa Cina for easier subjects, you have 3-4 more back up subjects from the availability Subject List to Score A+. Maybe takes Econs/Principle of Accounting/Computer Science/Arts/....

Given Bahasa Cina always cause type-C to fail to get 9A+. Otherwise it is Moral / BM is rigged.
Personally as someone who struggled with Malaysian Bahasa Cina Syllabus, dropping BC in exchange for other subjects will get better ROI. But surely some Dongzhong will marah, will end up killing the SPM subject.

But I think if the SPM Candidate thinks that if they will not get hired because their SPM Cert don't have Bahasa Cina.
Can always resit the SPM Bahasa Cina in the next following year. Secure the LSPM/JPA Scholarship first.
Consider the consequences of not taking Mandarin at SPM level later. But generally most company see you skin look like Cina.
Speak abit of Cina, they close one eye let you in already.
Interesting finding so many M right now smarter than type C.
Not sure is it because more M in this generation compared to Type C.
Need to do an analysis on no of Type of Students / Overall number of their race analysis.

But I think Type C might be still smarter  hmm.gif  Given we smaller population and bred and has less kids compared to Type M.
Comments to KPM:
1. 2025 liao, please translate or make our education more accessible by making of Digital textbook and exam papers atleast bilingual. Who the hells studies Computer Science in Malay  rclxub.gif

Adding English, and Malay into our Syllabus will definitely lessen the gap difference, or atleast improve basic subjects fundamentals in terms of understanding.

Or atleast force people who fails SPM Sejarah to get atleast a pass, given if more English exams are given as an bilingual answering option. Since not every Malaysian can be fluent in Malay. Heck Melayu pun can fail SPM BM. 

2. We need to introduce SPM at Different Difficulty Levels like in Singapore.
They have introduced G1(weak) / G2 ( normal) / G3 ( express/export ) subjects  in their O-Levels to level out the playing field. (But I can see students will abuse this system to take all G1 subjects to aim for scholarships  laugh.gif )

3. Transparency on Grading Thresholds, Bellcurves points and Statement of Results Slip.
I saw alot of Type-C Keys paying RM100 / paper, to get their paper remarked most of them get Kekal, hardly gotten Berubah change.

I think Statement of Results should atleast give students see whether their should remark their papers. By providing a percentage uniform mark. (PUM) system
But you can keep your SPM Official Certification to be the same, without displaying the Percentage Uniform Mark.

Just follow what is Cambridge is doing.

Also give students an option to buy back their Exam Scripts with actual examiner comments  and markings.

Also not sure why in Malaysia our exam papers are Confidential along with its marking scheme by Law.
Alot of countries like Australia / UK / New Zealand have their exam paper marking scheme, exam reports and comments, released publically.  rclxub.gif
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good sharing, normal performer can try score A for the easy subjects to get min 9A.

QUOTE(abelyap @ May 12 2025, 09:09 AM)
Actually yes. They r way smarter as they r mainly descendent of mandarin.

Level of competition and innovation is much higher there
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the migrate usually the weak or strong?
nowadays, all our braindrain from the top smart group...

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QUOTE(vaksin @ May 12 2025, 09:24 AM)
good sharing, normal performer can try score A for the easy subjects to get min 9A.
the migrate usually the weak or strong?
nowadays, all our braindrain from the top smart group...
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Migrate need strong willpower to fit into new environment
Brain drain become top guy- Proportional to mainlanders?
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SPM grading scheme is still under OSA. Government should declassify it for greater transparency. Many would be interested in how many marks it takes to score an "A", along with the bell curve.
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QUOTE(abelyap @ May 12 2025, 09:28 AM)
Migrate need strong willpower to fit into new environment
Brain drain become top guy- Proportional to mainlanders?
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can be both maybe... i think..
all looking for better opportunity...

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QUOTE(danielmckey @ May 12 2025, 08:23 AM)
Can abolish bumiputera status now?
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You know its foreva not possible.

QUOTE(Super2047 @ May 12 2025, 08:23 AM)
As long as more Malaysian are getting smarter, that's enough, be it what type. Our county needs more talented people to achieve greater prosperity.
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Its sad to disappoint u, but theyr limited by their rleijen. They cannot break thru the gap. Won't prosper.

Wats said by that prof kangkung from Usim? Wat about the puas sepupu who holds a doctorate?

In many cases, academic achievements /=/ smart.

Sad but real.
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QUOTE(StorMx @ May 12 2025, 02:24 AM)
So so much data still want to say bodoh and perlu tongkat? that sounds saddening no?
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Tongkat is just a means for politicians to stay in power and legalize cronyism. Truth is, nobody really need tongkat.

QUOTE(abelyap @ May 12 2025, 08:39 AM)
Actually local type C DNA is not smart as it is mainly descendent of farmer or fisherman. But hardworking DNA and low baseline make the difference

If u fear of local type C, be prepared to hv shock of ur life when meet mainlanders
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The bolded part is true. A trait of type C that have significant advantage over the rest that makes them excel. If you're talking only about brain capability, all types have the fair share of smart vs dumb people.
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QUOTE(andyng38 @ May 12 2025, 09:46 AM)
SPM grading scheme is still under OSA. Government should declassify it for greater transparency. Many would be interested in how many marks it takes to score an "A", along with the bell curve.
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When you hear the stories that people that failed a subject in most school exams, yet managed to score A- in SPM, you already know that the grades are adjusted to show off to the public.

If they became transparent, the actual "performance" of the students would have significantly dropped.
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Education budget spend on M >80%, 54% out of 808 9A+, fully paid boarding school with top teachers.
<20% budget on the rest produce 46%.
>60 years of tongkat.
Conclusion:.......

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A lot of people(including teachers and education experts) are saying the SPM results data is highly doubtful. There are signs of manipulation going back many years. Very likely the results are a lot worst.


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QUOTE(Optizorb @ May 12 2025, 01:20 AM)
*triggered*

kenapa ada sekolah China kat Tanah Melayu?? Pulau Pinang lagi? Biadap betul negeri DAP perintah sampai sekolah pun sudah tumbang kepada mereka    vmad.gif  vmad.gif
Hari ni sekolah China, semalam Navy China masuk, esok pulak kerajaan negeri sudah jadi China punya. Pulau Pinang pun memang mini-China sekarang kan

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This school was established in March 1919 for girls.
Later in January 1956 move to now its current site.

At that time already ceded to the British.
The British shouldn't have come and shouldn't have taken it back after WW2. Northern peninsula would still be Siam. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(seiferalmercy @ May 12 2025, 10:22 AM)
A lot of people(including teachers and education experts) are saying the SPM results data is highly doubtful. There are signs of manipulation going back many years. Very likely the results are a lot worst.
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Source?
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Good luck to the applicants.

Btw got statistics as to the distribution by subject?
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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ May 12 2025, 07:55 AM)
insecure type c kturds still wanna compare by ratio kek
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so now can drop 10% quota for non bumee to enter public uni or not?

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ May 12 2025, 12:46 PM)
so now can drop 10% quota for non bumee to enter public uni or not?
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that 10% quota was for matriculation. not public uni. you really think that there only 10% non bumi in public uni?
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ May 12 2025, 12:46 PM)
so now can drop 10% quota for non bumee to enter public uni or not?
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Whatever quota just drop la. You thought I care meh? Lol
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A lot of people(including teachers and education experts) are saying the SPM results data is highly doubtful. There are signs of manipulation going back many years. Very likely the results are a lot worst.
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It's called grading on a curve. There are some papers that are inherently harder than previous years. My biology paper (1995) was a tough one and I thought it would be A2 but I got A1 most probably as the A1 threshold was adjusted to account for the difficulty.

Grading on a curve has existed for some time and aims to at least give a normal/ bell curve distribution of results.

We might have reason to doublt the quality of those in the middle of the pack as passing scores may have been adjusted but the top scorers regardless are still outliers. I would give them their due

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that 10% quota was for matriculation. not public uni. you really think that there only 10% non bumi in public uni?
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Racial quotas for education have long been a hotly debated issue, with critics arguing that it discriminates against non-Bumiputera students.
But many have defended the policy, citing the need to give disadvantaged students from poorer families and rural areas opportunities to further their education.

FMT spoke to Lee Hwok Aun of the ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute on the history of the quota system, the arguments surrounding the issue and proposals on the way forward.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...igher-education

However, the existing quota system - 90% for bumiputeras (Malays and indigenous groups) and 10% for non-bumiputeras - will remain in place. This has raised concerns about whether the non-bumiputera quota can accommodate all top scorers from minority groups. The government has promised alternative pathways, such as foundation programmes at public universities, for those who don't secure a matriculation spot.

Read more at: https://tribune.net.ph/2024/07/05/malaysias...s-quota-reality

Read more Daily Tribune stories at: https://tribune.net.ph/



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Racial quotas for education have long been a hotly debated issue, with critics arguing that it discriminates against non-Bumiputera students.
But many have defended the policy, citing the need to give disadvantaged students from poorer families and rural areas opportunities to further their education.

FMT spoke to Lee Hwok Aun of the ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute on the history of the quota system, the arguments surrounding the issue and proposals on the way forward.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...igher-education

However, the existing quota system - 90% for bumiputeras (Malays and indigenous groups) and 10% for non-bumiputeras - will remain in place. This has raised concerns about whether the non-bumiputera quota can accommodate all top scorers from minority groups. The government has promised alternative pathways, such as foundation programmes at public universities, for those who don't secure a matriculation spot.

Read more at: https://tribune.net.ph/2024/07/05/malaysias...s-quota-reality

Read more Daily Tribune stories at: https://tribune.net.ph/
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you sendiri quote. its literally said for uni pathway. see bolded text. its for fricking matriculation. not public uni admission. Just see any public uni convocation books, pick any public uni (except uitm obviously), pick any year. you can see much higher percentage of non bumi graduate ( so much higher that 10%).


Look, I'm not oppose to abolishment of quota for matriculations. But you need to fight you battle properly. 10% quota for matric is not the same as 10% quota for public uni admission. If you fight your battle with wrong info, conlanfirm cannot win.

here i give you proper info from your own link.
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In December last year, then higher education minister Khaled Nordin said Bumiputera students constituted 81.9% of students in public universities, more than quadruple the number of non-Bumiputera students (18.1%).


fight for this as well. that number doesnt really reflect the racial composition of malaysia.

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QUOTE(seiferalmercy @ May 12 2025, 10:22 AM)
A lot of people(including teachers and education experts) are saying the SPM results data is highly doubtful. There are signs of manipulation going back many years. Very likely the results are a lot worst.
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Yes. Very doubtful. Back in 2001, I left my biology subjective paper almost blank because I was asleep the whole exam period, yet I managed to get B3 which is equivalent to A- nowadays.

If I had scored 100% in objective paper, my overall marks would still be 50%, yet I was graded B3. 50% for B3? A2 must be around 60-65% then.

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Yes. Very doubtful. Back in 2001, I left my biology subjective paper almost blank because I was asleep the whole exam period, yet I managed to get B3 which is equivalent to A- nowadays.

If I had scored 100% in subjective paper, my overall marks would still be 50%, yet I was graded B3. 50% for B3? A2 must be around 60-65% then.
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Is 808 the full >9As scorers. Anyone with same achievement or better (as in full As 10,11,12) left out? If no, that's very GOOD.

While TS data sorting and summary is appreciated, but TS content on "how to game the system" is uncall for.

TS, i take it as a merely unwise choice of words from you at this junction.

I concur on your 2nd half of suggestions therein

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A system where even idiots can graduate but ends up as 3d cleaner in SG making rm10k.
Just keep the top few IPTA n convert the rest to TVET as we will need more labourers, electrician, plumber, welder, nurses, caretakers, builders etc.
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QUOTE(tupai @ May 12 2025, 01:16 PM)
you sendiri quote. its literally said for uni pathway. see bolded text. its for fricking matriculation. not public uni admission. Just see any public uni convocation books, pick any public uni (except uitm obviously), pick any year. you can see much higher percentage of non bumi graduate ( so much higher that 10%).
Look, I'm not oppose to abolishment of quota for matriculations. But you need to fight you battle properly. 10% quota for matric is not the same as 10% quota for public uni admission. If you fight your battle with wrong info, conlanfirm cannot win.

here i give you proper info from your own link.
fight for this as well. that number doesnt really reflect the racial composition of malaysia.
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so not matriculation then what? STPM?

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...malaysia/142801

Here’s why it was such a big deal.

The one-year one-year matriculation is the fastest route to enter university compared to one-and-a-half-year Sijil Tinggi Pelajaran Malaysia (STPM) programme.


The entry requirements for matriculation are easier for post-SPM students depending on which field of study they want to join:

Science major: a minimum of five Cs out of seven subjects for the one-year programme
Engineering major: a minimum of five Cs out of eight subjects
Accounting major: a minimum of six Cs out of seven subjects
The professional accounting major has a higher entry requirement of a minimum of five As from eight subjects.


Anwar also said that the 90 per cent Bumiputera quota governing all 17 matriculation colleges nationwide will remain unchanged.

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im from one of KL sekolah bestari...not in the list

then i see other KL sekolah bestari KL...mostly not in this list oso

guess our types of skool mostly T20 at least
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my name is Chua Bin Tang.
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so not matriculation then what? STPM?

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...malaysia/142801

Here’s why it was such a big deal.

The one-year one-year matriculation is the fastest route to enter university compared to one-and-a-half-year Sijil Tinggi Pelajaran Malaysia (STPM) programme.


The entry requirements for matriculation are easier for post-SPM students depending on which field of study they want to join:

Science major: a minimum of five Cs out of seven subjects for the one-year programme
Engineering major: a minimum of five Cs out of eight subjects
Accounting major: a minimum of six Cs out of seven subjects
The professional accounting major has a higher entry requirement of a minimum of five As from eight subjects.
Anwar also said that the 90 per cent Bumiputera quota governing all 17 matriculation colleges nationwide will remain unchanged.

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Now you diverge from your original statement saying that there's a quota of 10% for public uni admission.

Why not just correct your statement and just say it's 10% quota for matrix and from there we can discuss/argue properly. Just for record, I don't agree with 10% quota for matrix and I also think that stpm is not a bad way for admission .

As for the minimum requirements of 5 C for admission to engineering program, if a student get 5 C, he or she will have a hard time getting a place in public uni engineering program as the competition are very high. Most public uni have this ratio of 1/3 entrance from their own foundation, 1/3 matric, 1/3 stpm. Small percentage for diploma holders. That's for hot courses like engineering, medicine, vet etc.

How I know this, I enquire about vet program at upm and was told this by insider. It's better for my kid to either took different foundation route i.e. matric/stpm/a level compared to upm foundation as placement for vet courses is very limited and upm foundation cannot be used as admission to other public uni. If my kid later cannot get vet program at least with stpm or a level can go to other uni. My kid refuse to enter matric. Rather take stpm.

My nephew graduated from public uni for accounting. He went for matrix and get all As. None of his coursemate enter the accounting program with that minimum 6 C.

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Interesting for KL no Victoria, St John...
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u fools who is pitting each race against another

we all shud be working with each other against the other countries who is eating into our pie big time

when r u ppl gonna realize everyone loses if we keep fighting among each other
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Sorry bruh. Everyone on their own to reach for meritrocracy here. laugh.gif
Eventually best of the best sent overseas.

Will come back to Malaysia to work and serve bond is very questionable without job landscape and underpaid compression paid.
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QUOTE(hotdayum @ May 12 2025, 11:47 AM)
Good luck to the applicants.

Btw got statistics as to the distribution by subject?
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Normally takes one year to publish the official documents .

2023 one just recently released : https://lp.moe.gov.my/index.php/laporan-analisis-keputusan

https://www.facebook.com/KemPendidikan/vide...224089399296887



no idea why pulling data and compiling into a report takes more than a year lol.
when the exam marking system now is digitalized.

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Interesting for KL no Victoria, St John...
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yes. either students getting dumber, and school not reaching peak Cluster Student level with 9A+
all is mix bag of 9-12 A+/A/A-.
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im from one of KL sekolah bestari...not in the list

then i see other KL sekolah bestari KL...mostly not in this list oso

guess our types of skool mostly T20 at least
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Why not in the list? Performance not good?
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Type M getting smarter?

Most of the A's are islamic subjects.
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Non-bumis make up 13.5% of public uni enrolment, Dewan Rakyat told

23 Oct 2023

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...20non%2DMuslims.

KUALA LUMPUR: The enrolment of non-bumiputra students in public universities stood at 13.5% last year, says Higher Education Minister Datuk Seri Mohamed Khaled Nordin.

Data from the Public University Data Collection System showed the total number of local students in public universities was 551,082 as of last year, he said in the Dewan Rakyat on Monday (Oct 23).

"Out of the total, the breakdown of enrolment for bumiputra students stood at 86.5%, which is 476,796 students, compared to 13.5% non-bumiputra students, or 74,286 students," he said in reply to Datuk Willie Mongin (GPS-Puncak Borneo).

Mongin had asked the ministry to reveal the total public university enrolment and breakdown of local students by bumiputra and non-bumiputra as well as religion.

He also wanted to know the courses students picked.

Mohamed Khaled said 94.7% (451,579 students) of bumiputra students in public universities are Muslims while 5.3% are non-Muslims.
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MOE released a list of 808 Candidates eligible for SPM 9A+ Scholarship.

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https://bmipenajaan.jpa.gov.my/ms/?view=art...id=142&catid=11

SENARAI NAMA CALON PROGRAM KHAS LEPASAN SIJIL PELAJARAN MALAYSIA DALAM NEGARA (LSPM) TAHUN 2025

I did a simple conversion from PDF to XLSX.
Apply a Colour Filtering based on these Criteria.
1. Type M - Filter with "BIN" (Coverage big enough for BIN/BINTI
2. Type I - Filter with "/" for "A/L" or "A/P"
3. Type C and Others dropped into No Fill.
4. Manually Filter through Step 1-3 for Misrepesented Groups
5. Apply =SUBTOTAL(3,C5:C812) counter to ease my Filtering counting.

Interesting finding got a kid with the name "RIKA TSUKADA". I think Japanese kid took Malaysian SPM.

NOTYPENUMBER OF ELIGIBLE RECEIPIENTS
1 M 437
2 C 332
3 I 31
4 Others 8

Link to Analysis spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w91...of=true&sd=true

School with the most amount of Straight A candidates.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Personal thought on how to game this system to get the SPM full scholarships
1. Reopen back SPM Subjects to 14-20 subjects, without the 12 subject cap.
2. Maintain 9A+ Scholarship eligibility requirement.
3. Let's all the smart students to know how to game the system, go sit all the watered down ez list of SPM subjects to get 9A+, by sitting atleast 12+ subjects with 4 or more backups A+

Apparently based on MOE, we have 95 SPM Subjects, Pretty sure finding few more As in that list would be easier.

For those type-C who plans to game the system:
1. Drop SPM Bahasa Cina for easier subjects, you have 3-4 more back up subjects from the availability Subject List to Score A+. Maybe takes Econs/Principle of Accounting/Computer Science/Arts/....

Given Bahasa Cina always cause type-C to fail to get 9A+. Otherwise it is Moral / BM is rigged.
Personally as someone who struggled with Malaysian Bahasa Cina Syllabus, dropping BC in exchange for other subjects will get better ROI. But surely some Dongzhong will marah, will end up killing the SPM subject.

But I think if the SPM Candidate thinks that if they will not get hired because their SPM Cert don't have Bahasa Cina.
Can always resit the SPM Bahasa Cina in the next following year. Secure the LSPM/JPA Scholarship first.
Consider the consequences of not taking Mandarin at SPM level later. But generally most company see you skin look like Cina.
Speak abit of Cina, they close one eye let you in already.
Interesting finding so many M right now smarter than type C.
Not sure is it because more M in this generation compared to Type C.
Need to do an analysis on no of Type of Students / Overall number of their race analysis.

But I think Type C might be still smarter  hmm.gif  Given we smaller population and bred and has less kids compared to Type M.
Comments to KPM:
1. 2025 liao, please translate or make our education more accessible by making of Digital textbook and exam papers atleast bilingual. Who the hells studies Computer Science in Malay  rclxub.gif

Adding English, and Malay into our Syllabus will definitely lessen the gap difference, or atleast improve basic subjects fundamentals in terms of understanding.

Or atleast force people who fails SPM Sejarah to get atleast a pass, given if more English exams are given as an bilingual answering option. Since not every Malaysian can be fluent in Malay. Heck Melayu pun can fail SPM BM. 

2. We need to introduce SPM at Different Difficulty Levels like in Singapore.
They have introduced G1(weak) / G2 ( normal) / G3 ( express/export ) subjects  in their O-Levels to level out the playing field. (But I can see students will abuse this system to take all G1 subjects to aim for scholarships  laugh.gif )

3. Transparency on Grading Thresholds, Bellcurves points and Statement of Results Slip.
I saw alot of Type-C Keys paying RM100 / paper, to get their paper remarked most of them get Kekal, hardly gotten Berubah change.

I think Statement of Results should atleast give students see whether their should remark their papers. By providing a percentage uniform mark. (PUM) system
But you can keep your SPM Official Certification to be the same, without displaying the Percentage Uniform Mark.

Just follow what is Cambridge is doing.

Also give students an option to buy back their Exam Scripts with actual examiner comments  and markings.

Also not sure why in Malaysia our exam papers are Confidential along with its marking scheme by Law.
Alot of countries like Australia / UK / New Zealand have their exam paper marking scheme, exam reports and comments, released publically.  rclxub.gif
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Thanks for the analysis. I remember last time, a perfect score means a lot more than 9A+. If 9A+, then take 12 subjects can have back up...

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kenapa ada sekolah China kat Tanah Melayu?? Pulau Pinang lagi? Biadap betul negeri DAP perintah sampai sekolah pun sudah tumbang kepada mereka    vmad.gif  vmad.gif
Hari ni sekolah China, semalam Navy China masuk, esok pulak kerajaan negeri sudah jadi China punya. Pulau Pinang pun memang mini-China sekarang kan

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Thanks for the analysis. I remember last time, a perfect score means a lot more than 9A+. If 9A+, then take 12 subjects can have back up...
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They streamlined this since 2012/13/14, where anyone with SPM 9A+ is eligible for full scholarships, when they introduced the 12 subject caps.
I checked back online people back in the day pre 2005, can sit 20 SPM subjects especially those Muslim students taking so many Islam subjects...

Hopefully alot of loophole smart kids discover this by now.
Really why work hard your way when you can take the shortcut route, to take all ezpz confirm A+ subjects.

If I didn't saw the passing rate for 2023 or older. Somehow we have some miracle coursework SPM projects where students keep scoring A+/A ... sweat.gif
If you read the Subject Analysis Report from 2023...
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YEOH WEI BIN
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ May 12 2025, 03:01 PM)
so not matriculation then what? STPM?

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...malaysia/142801

Here’s why it was such a big deal.

The one-year one-year matriculation is the fastest route to enter university compared to one-and-a-half-year Sijil Tinggi Pelajaran Malaysia (STPM) programme.


The entry requirements for matriculation are easier for post-SPM students depending on which field of study they want to join:

Science major: a minimum of five Cs out of seven subjects for the one-year programme
Engineering major: a minimum of five Cs out of eight subjects
Accounting major: a minimum of six Cs out of seven subjects
The professional accounting major has a higher entry requirement of a minimum of five As from eight subjects.
Anwar also said that the 90 per cent Bumiputera quota governing all 17 matriculation colleges nationwide will remain unchanged.

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Just merge SPM/STPM into one certificate, Hong Kong did that with HKDSE it is a proper high school diploma.

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Type M getting smarter?

Most of the A's are islamic subjects.
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if you look at the school name, if its sekolah menengah agama or sekolah imtiaz, then yes, in addition to 6 core subjects of BM, English, Sejarah, Math, Science and Pendidikan Islam, students there took other islamic subjects for the other 3 or 4. Some add in Prinsip Akaun or whatever non islamic subject.

For normal SMK, at most they have additional one subject, which is Tassawur Islam. Not many SMK offer the other islamic subjects. If student in most SMK want to add additional islamic subject they need to study on their own. No such thing as the school invite teacher from other school or student go to another school just for that extra subject. Bear in mind, some subjects can't be taken together as the exam time clashes.

For boarding schools, be it SBP or MRSM, 5 core plus physic, chemistry and biology (you can't take SPM Sains if you take the 3 science subjects) + whatever additional subject that particular school specialized in.
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QUOTE(iSean @ May 13 2025, 12:55 AM)
They streamlined this since 2012/13/14, where anyone with SPM 9A+ is eligible for full scholarships, when they introduced the 12 subject caps.
I checked back online people back in the day pre 2005, can sit 20 SPM subjects especially those Muslim students taking so many Islam subjects...

Hopefully alot of loophole smart kids discover this by now.
Really why work hard your way when you can take the shortcut route, to take all ezpz confirm A+ subjects.

If I didn't saw the passing rate for 2023 or older. Somehow we have some miracle coursework SPM projects where students keep scoring A+/A ...  sweat.gif
If you read the Subject Analysis Report from 2023...
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Yes, back then you could take more than 20 if you want. But it comes with a risk of not scoring all of them. I remember back then there was 16A1 or something. To get scholarship, need perfect scores of A1 (for nons anyway) or if you are lucky, can have one A2.

And yes, I agree that better to take ezpz subjects as extras, on top of the regular 3 sciences and 1 Add Maths. Just take things like Muzik or Lukisan or other easy ones. Prinsip Akaun is somewhat useful IMO.

I also reviewed the Subject Analysis Report and could not believe my eyes. For the first time I see the report and am able to see how easy it is to get As in some subjects. Surprisingly, Add Maths is a killer.


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QUOTE(DarkAeon @ May 12 2025, 09:06 AM)
u fools who is pitting each race against another

we all shud be working with each other against the other countries who is eating into our pie big time

when r u ppl gonna realize everyone loses if we keep fighting among each other
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QUOTE(abelyap @ May 12 2025, 09:09 AM)
Actually yes. They r way smarter as they r mainly descendent of mandarin.

Level of competition and innovation is much higher there
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You know local type C is afraid when they ask for something they despise so much - tongkat and ploteksyen.

 

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