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post May 9 2025, 06:39 PM

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So the lessor will be liable for the damages of the lessee vehicle in an event the EV battery suffers thermal runaway and all other fire related damages correct ?

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Will have cases battery suddenly tercabut from connectors or connectors malfunction and the car e-brake on the fast lane....

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P2 cepat mengaku. You pakai CATL skateboard chassis, battery dan Battery Management System dia sekali kan???


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I don't think quality will be a major issue.

the competitors will slash until nothing left.

unless of course Madani stop kowtow to XJP brands and put a high price barrier to other brands when EMO launches to "kickstart" their own market.
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I am skeptical perodua can do this. Perodua can't even make a good gas car on their own so what makes people think that they can make an EV when their parent can't.

Maybe it's a good time to leapfrog past ICE cars and go straight into EV but it's really a tall order for perodua to produce a world class EV, given the lack of expertise, ecosystem and a small domestic market. Let's face it, Malaysians people are not good scientists or engineers. They sure make good nasi lemak and some bedroom furniture though. Malaysia can sure produce 1~2 world class scientist but to make a world class EV? you need industrious population

If their EV is not world class, there is no point in making them because people would just go to their competition like BYD. cheaper, better, faster.

I admire the courage for them to take risks but I think they will the next Proton where their cars get abandoned by even Malaysians and ultimately has to be 'acquired' by another Chinese company or go bust. We've seen it before.

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post May 9 2025, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(icycokes @ May 9 2025, 06:58 PM)
I am skeptical perodua can do this. Perodua can't even make a good gas car on their own so what makes people think that they can make an EV when their parent can't.

Maybe it's a good time to leapfrog past ICE cars and go straight into EV but it's really a tall order for perodua to produce a world class EV, given the lack of expertise, ecosystem and a small domestic market. Let's face it, Malaysians people are not good scientists or engineers. They sure make good nasi lemak and some bedroom furniture though. Malaysia can sure produce 1~2 world class scientist but to make a world class EV? you need industrious population

If their EV is not world class, there is no point in making them because people would just go to their competition like BYD. cheaper, better, faster.

I admire the courage for them to take risks but I think they will the next Proton where their cars get abandoned by even Malaysians and ultimately has to be 'acquired' by another Chinese company or go bust. We've seen it before.
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Perodua dont do rebadged anymore. all their new car model were joint development with toyota and daihatsu. Even the new toyota vios was co develop with perodua n daihatsu in Perodua R&D facilities in rawang. Its been some time, p2 staff start working to co- design daihatsu/toyota models in japan, some even sold as toyota in japan (raize/ativa).

Perodua core principal is affordability, so i doubt their ev car will be more expensive than competitor in term of retail price/ spare part n battery.

Battery leasing is acctually a good idea. Example if u use the car for short drive/ go to work everyday u can lease the standard range. Cheaper battery monthly bills. If u plan to balik kampung or long distance driving u can lease the longer range battery variant instead of buying the long range variant from the start. (More expensive) After all it only takes 30 minutes to replace the battery.

China produce cars just like they produce their smartphone. They will flood the market with lots of models/variant, copy/"inspired by" more expensive car design, put latest/high tech gadget in their car n sell with low price/minimal profit. Suddenly this beautiful n high tech cars seem to become affordable for the masses. But wait when these car gadget breaks down, the masses probably will probably struggle to maintain it.

China cars not bad at all, it probably a good aternative for someone who plan to purchase a higher segment car /continental cars to save a lot of money n enjoy the same luxury experience with the same maintainance cost. But not for those who in reality only can afford to drive a segment A-B car. U can afford the monthly loan payment buy not the maintainance in the long run. Better stick with japanese or perodua cars

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QUOTE(RGRaj @ May 9 2025, 06:24 PM)
The vehicle will be very heavy.
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should be a good thing

QUOTE(alexander3133 @ May 9 2025, 06:37 PM)
So if one day those car owners stop paying battery subscription fee, the car will be disabled remotely?
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ May 9 2025, 06:53 PM)
P2 cepat mengaku. You pakai CATL skateboard chassis, battery dan Battery Management System dia sekali kan???
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post May 9 2025, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(danielmckey @ May 9 2025, 11:27 PM)
Sampai bila dalaman kete bukan plastik?
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post May 9 2025, 10:36 PM

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If only there's a solution to all these bullsh1t..... owai it's called an ICE

But EV is the trend now so of course P2 want to test the market as well
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Usually dalam /k all kutuk2 perodua, but real world perodua figure says otherwise.
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30 minute battery change ? Biar betul , using human and manual car jack? . Should learn from china, fully automation at battery replacement station using 5 to 15 minutes is max.
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QUOTE(icycokes @ May 9 2025, 06:58 PM)
I am skeptical perodua can do this. Perodua can't even make a good gas car on their own so what makes people think that they can make an EV when their parent can't.

Maybe it's a good time to leapfrog past ICE cars and go straight into EV but it's really a tall order for perodua to produce a world class EV, given the lack of expertise, ecosystem and a small domestic market. Let's face it, Malaysians people are not good scientists or engineers. They sure make good nasi lemak and some bedroom furniture though. Malaysia can sure produce 1~2 world class scientist but to make a world class EV? you need industrious population

If their EV is not world class, there is no point in making them because people would just go to their competition like BYD. cheaper, better, faster.

I admire the courage for them to take risks but I think they will the next Proton where their cars get abandoned by even Malaysians and ultimately has to be 'acquired' by another Chinese company or go bust. We've seen it before.
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Ev car is way less complex than an ice car. Thats why chinese brand can compete.

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QUOTE(ledtechn @ May 9 2025, 10:39 PM)
Usually dalam /k all kutuk2 perodua, but real world perodua figure says otherwise.
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hence P2 surveys said opposite of what /k said
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QUOTE(ipat88 @ May 9 2025, 08:51 PM)
Perodua dont do rebadged anymore. all their new car model were joint development  with toyota and daihatsu. Even the new toyota vios was co develop with perodua n daihatsu in Perodua R&D facilities in rawang. Its been some time, p2 staff start working to co- design daihatsu/toyota models in japan, some even sold as toyota in japan (raize/ativa).

Perodua core principal is affordability, so i doubt their ev car will be more expensive than competitor in term of retail price/ spare part n battery.

Battery leasing is acctually a good idea. Example if u use the car for short drive/ go to work everyday u can lease the standard range. Cheaper battery monthly bills. If u plan to balik kampung or long distance driving u can lease the longer range battery variant instead of buying the long range variant from the start. (More expensive) After all it only takes 30 minutes to replace the battery. 

China produce cars just like they produce their smartphone. They will flood the market with lots of models/variant, copy/"inspired by" more expensive car design, put latest/high tech gadget in their car n sell with low price/minimal profit. Suddenly this  beautiful n high tech cars seem to become affordable for the masses. But wait when these car gadget breaks down,  the masses probably will probably struggle to maintain it.

China cars not bad at all, it probably a good aternative for someone who plan to purchase a higher segment car /continental cars to save a lot of money n enjoy the same luxury experience with the same maintainance cost. But not for those who in reality only can afford to drive a segment A-B car. U can afford the monthly loan payment buy not the maintainance in the long run. Better stick with japanese or perodua cars
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Actually what is considered a good EV car? My perception of a good EV car is more towards the softwares and upgradability. Softwares cos most EV has sophisticated systems to manoeuvre ie self driven and the effectiveness of its software. Then the next is how long or how many updates can you get ie software support. Batteries performance is important but as we know, it is an evolving technology.

Most of the EV that I see has two of the above and batteries. I had a look at Perodua EV. Their air con is still button and their centre console is an 8” LCD. It is actually an ‘electrification’ of a car. There is not much info about the software system of the new EV from Perodua. What is stressed more is the batteries and everyone seems to be talking about the batteries, so far. If that is the case, I am ok for Perodua EV. It looks nice, SUV-like, a lot of manual type operations (I think) and does not have much software to allow autonomous driving. It is a basic electric car minus the sophisticated systems and therefore very very low maintenance, I suppose. And that is ok. I do think most cars nowadays has too much software feature. Heck, I read that to operate an aircon on some EV, you need to press a few electronic buttons on the LCD, not to mention the intricacies of knowing what to press etc etc. I am all for a basic electrification of a car power system and with very basic software feature. The simple the better cos I do not want to press many buttons just to listen to radio. The old car system just press the button to get the channels that we want. And I want air con? A button to switch it on, a know to set temperature and voila! No meddling with touch screens etc.

I think I am stupid to say this but I feel all these advance feature is unnecessary. Good to have but not a requirement. Peace!


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Actually what is considered a good EV car?  My perception of a good EV car is more towards the softwares and upgradability.  Softwares cos most EV has sophisticated systems to manoeuvre ie self driven and the effectiveness of its software.  Then the next is how long or how many updates can you get ie software support.  Batteries performance is important but as we know, it is an evolving technology. 

Most of the EV that I see has two of the above and batteries. I had a look at Perodua EV.  Their air con is still button and their centre console is an 8” LCD.  It is actually an ‘electrification’ of a car.  There is not much info about the software system of the new EV from Perodua.  What is stressed more is the batteries and everyone seems to be talking about the batteries, so far.  If that is the case, I am ok for Perodua EV.  It looks nice, SUV-like, a lot of manual type operations (I think) and does not have much software to allow autonomous driving.  It is a basic electric car minus the sophisticated systems and therefore very very low maintenance, I suppose.  And that is ok.  I do think most cars nowadays has too much software feature. Heck, I read that to operate an aircon on some EV, you need to press a few electronic buttons on the LCD, not to mention the intricacies of knowing what to press etc etc.  I am all for a basic electrification of a car power system and with very basic software feature.  The simple the better cos I do not want to press many buttons just to listen to radio.  The old car system just press the button to get the channels that we want.  And I want air con?  A button to switch it on, a know to set temperature and voila!  No meddling with touch screens etc.

I think I am stupid to say this but I feel all these advance feature is unnecessary.  Good to have but not a requirement.  Peace!
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I am stupider to say this, when are eyes should be focused on the road, the last thing a driver needs is to be fiddling the screen wondering where are the items that is required. MOT and safety all memang ke laut.

Just put in voice activated command la kan senang.

I think the best would be autonomous driving. Kejap let me take a screenshot of what the Chinese are doing, kind of stylish don't you think so ? I will be back with the correct screenshot and imagine Malaysians started doing this. The future is amazing ..

I wanted to post the screenshot of this driver relaxing which his hands behind his head and his legs up on the dashboard while the EV zooms down the highway. We already have mat rempit, so now we call these drivers what ?

The future is amazingly stupid, I say.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 9 2025, 11:58 PM)
I am stupider to say this, when are eyes should be focused on the road, the last thing a driver needs is to be fiddling the screen wondering where are the items that is required. MOT and safety all memang ke laut.

Just put in voice activated command la kan senang.

I think the best would be autonomous driving. Kejap let me take a screenshot of what the Chinese are doing, kind of stylish don't you think so ? I will be back with the correct screenshot and imagine Malaysians started doing this. The future is amazing ..

I wanted to post the screenshot of this driver relaxing which his hands behind his head and his legs up on the dashboard while the EV zooms down the highway. We already have mat rempit, so now we call these drivers what ?

The future is amazingly stupid, I say.
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I tend to disagree with you that the future is amazingly stupid. Life has become too convenient nowadays. Maybe I am the old fashion type who like life to be simple, like get into a car, key into the keyhole, start engine, press air on button and adjust T, press radio on and channel button, release hand brake and voila, let’s go! Nowadays, we must even wait for a few minutes in our car for our cold engine to ‘warm up’ before we drive off. You see a lot of cars waiting for get out of their parking lots cos the engine button is ‘cold’ . Those day, manada…. On engine and zoom we go. lol
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QUOTE(fongsk @ May 10 2025, 05:42 AM)
I tend to disagree with you that the future is amazingly stupid.  Life has become too convenient nowadays.  Maybe I am the old fashion type who like life to be simple, like get into a car, key into the keyhole, start engine, press air on button and adjust T, press radio on and channel button, release hand brake and voila, let’s go!  Nowadays, we must even wait for a few minutes in our car for our cold engine to ‘warm up’ before we drive off.  You see a lot of cars waiting for get out of their parking lots cos the engine button is ‘cold’ .  Those day, manada…. On engine and zoom we go.  lol
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It's good roaring sales to the manufacturer benefit and it will be at our expense no ? That why I say it's stupid. Unless we arm ourselves with knowledge we will be screwed big time. A major service was recently completed and I took home an entire assembly of the filter together with the housing to be inspected because I want to be sure everything is in perfect condition and not face injector problems down the road that are fucking expensive and it can never be resolved !!! The technician suddenly became interested in me and wanted to know my intentions of doing such things. Yup you are right it's too convenient until we literally don't know anything. Boss, your vehilce already passed it's warranty period already, that why got problems la. Best advice is order a new vehicle with us. The safety of your family is the most important thing right ? Me poor church mouse cannot afford to change vehicles after it's warranty has expired. Can only save enough money in 30 years time just in time to buy a newer vehicles. 🙂
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you won't get 15min full charge in Malaysia charging stations. that's for sure. in China maybe since they have 1MW charging stations and cold weather.
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Jgn cakap kuat sgt bro. Later people say u EV hater lol.

I don't think they realize how much power needed to power up 1MW charging station and all the infrastructure needed.

There might be some in future, but definitely the charging cost will not be cheap.


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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 10 2025, 07:04 AM)
It's good roaring sales to the manufacturer benefit and it will be at our expense no ? That why I say it's stupid. Unless we arm ourselves with knowledge we will be screwed big time. A major service was recently completed and I took home an entire assembly of the filter together with the housing to be inspected because I want to be sure everything is in perfect condition and not face injector problems down the road that are fucking expensive and it can never be resolved !!! The technician suddenly became interested in me and wanted to know my intentions of doing such things. Yup you are right it's too convenient until we literally don't know anything. Boss, your vehilce already passed it's warranty period already, that why got problems la. Best advice is order a new vehicle with us. The safety of your family is the most important thing right ? Me poor church mouse cannot afford to change vehicles after it's warranty has expired. Can only save enough money in 30 years time just in time to buy a newer vehicles. 🙂
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Hahaha. The price we pay for convenience. That’s part of ‘advancement’.

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