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post May 8 2025, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(echho @ May 8 2025, 01:16 AM)
So filter gasket full set so costly? Rm240???
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Yes original very expensive i think i have a friend last time want to replace atf filter and gasket go Perodua ask cost RM 180 , OEM/universal at spare part shop RM 30/60 can get even spare parts shop want to get original part also very expensive assuming the spare parts shop no scam u by using cheap thing then say is original.
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post May 8 2025, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(zuozi @ May 8 2025, 01:42 AM)
Yes original very expensive i think i have a friend last time want to replace atf filter and gasket go Perodua ask cost RM 180 , OEM/universal at spare part shop RM 30/60 can get even spare parts shop want to get original part also very expensive assuming the spare parts shop no scam u by using cheap thing then say is original.
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This is really new info to me. So top up atf can cost till 220 means half tank d. Either that or the atf oil price has spiked so much lately.

Other than that other charges seemed reasonable so not so badly Kena duped la. Malam ni tidur nyenyak sikit. Lol
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post May 8 2025, 01:57 AM

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QUOTE(echho @ May 8 2025, 01:51 AM)
This is really new info to me. So top up atf can cost till 220 means half tank d. Either that or the atf oil price has spiked so much lately.

Other than that other charges seemed reasonable so not so badly Kena duped la. Malam ni tidur nyenyak sikit. Lol
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Itu pasal orang kata beli kereta senang nak maintain susah. Because old cars maintain so expensive might as well get new car now you know why mostly saying this way, but if you can afford i mean new car is always better than old car, but new car's nowadays reliable like old time or not me tak tahu lah 😂 , i still driving old car because is the only old car i can drive and self repair and maintenance without need visit foreman.
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post May 8 2025, 02:03 AM

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QUOTE(echho @ May 8 2025, 01:51 AM)
This is really new info to me. So top up atf can cost till 220 means half tank d. Either that or the atf oil price has spiked so much lately.

Other than that other charges seemed reasonable so not so badly Kena duped la. Malam ni tidur nyenyak sikit. Lol
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most automatic transmission have torque converter and itu torque converter dalam ada minyak juga when you fluid change you only partial fluid change is not entirely emptied , i mean depending the size most torque converter can hold 2 to 9 liter oil if including the atf oil pan depends the size i think more than 4 liter .

If machine flush can flushing entire system rather than partial oil change so u need to know how the way they change your atf fluid too.

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post May 8 2025, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(echho @ May 7 2025, 10:44 PM)
Saw them fixing the brake shoe though. Now the hand brake like so low.

What's the mileage to change ATF?
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every 20k KM
if it's already there thn it's time anyway unless u just changed it not long ago
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post May 8 2025, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(guest54321 @ May 7 2025, 11:44 PM)
Aiyo unless your AC system has been opened, no need to flush anything. Just make sure your condenser clean and cabin filter changed regularly. If your AC is no longer cold chances are there is a leak somewhere, cooling coil too dirty or compressor end of life already.
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compressor needed to have it's oil changed just like a car's engine
but that will depend how old is TS car's 1st

every a/c shop has a minor service and a major service
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post May 8 2025, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 8 2025, 07:59 AM)
compressor needed to have it's oil changed just like a car's engine
but that will depend how old is TS car's 1st

every a/c shop has a minor service and a major service
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compressor oil change is another big scam in the local AC servicing. in reality, this has become just another way for some service providers to upsell unnecessary work under the guise of "preventive maintenance."

compressor oil is formulated to last the entire lifespan of the compressor. it is a sealed system, meaning that under normal operating conditions, the oil doesn't degrade or get contaminated easily. So if a technician tells you the compressor oil is dirty or needs to be replaced, that should immediately raise a red flag.

let me ask you, why don't you replace your compressor oil in your refrigerator, AC?

if the oil is dirty, that actually points to a much bigger problem. this is likely internal damage or contamination within the system. In such a case, just replacing the oil won’t fix the issue. The system needs to be properly diagnosed, cleaned, and possibly have components replaced and very likely the compressor is already grinding metal shavings. Replacing just the oil is not going to help until the system gets contaminated again.
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post May 8 2025, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(guest54321 @ May 8 2025, 09:52 AM)
compressor oil change is another big scam in the local AC servicing. in reality, this has become just another way for some service providers to upsell unnecessary work under the guise of "preventive maintenance."

compressor oil is formulated to last the entire lifespan of the compressor. it is a sealed system, meaning that under normal operating conditions, the oil doesn't degrade or get contaminated easily. So if a technician tells you the compressor oil is dirty or needs to be replaced, that should immediately raise a red flag.

let me ask you, why don't you replace your compressor oil in your refrigerator, AC?

if the oil is dirty, that actually points to a much bigger problem. this is likely internal damage or contamination within the system. In such a case, just replacing the oil won’t fix the issue. The system needs to be properly diagnosed, cleaned, and possibly have components replaced and very likely the compressor is already grinding metal shavings. Replacing just the oil is not going to help until the system gets contaminated again.
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lemme ask u 1 thing that u can ask yourself
u wanna refer until refrigerator right?
thn why is your refrigerator can be repaired if it's broken? hmm.gif laugh.gif

another question, why is there recond units of a/c compressor....what did they "reconditioned"? hmm.gif laugh.gif

a good a/c technician will take the compressor out and diagnose and tell you what the problem is, not straight as u to replace
a good a/c technician will tell u everything is repairable until your magnetic clutch eat until your housing already thn it's completely useless and needed replacement
other than that situation, everything is repairable ....there is no such thing as "entire lifespan" of the compressor unless the housing itself is damaged

my saga BLM until today had major service done at around 9-10 years old and that compressor survived until today...17 years old today
the only compressor that i needed to replace is my 2012 myvi which failed recently because the magnetic clutch damaged the housing else my technician said would be repairable if anything else failed
and a major service isn't just replacing the compressor oil only FYI

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post May 8 2025, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 8 2025, 10:04 AM)
lemme ask u 1 thing that u can ask yourself
u wanna refer until refrigerator right?
thn why is your refrigerator can be repaired if it's broken? hmm.gif  laugh.gif

another question, why is there recond units of a/c compressor....what did they "reconditioned"? hmm.gif  laugh.gif

a good a/c technician will take the compressor out and diagnose and tell you what the problem is, not straight as u to replace
a good a/c technician will tell u everything is repairable until your magnetic clutch eat until your housing already thn it's completely useless and needed replacement
other than that situation, everything is repairable ....there is no such thing as "entire lifespan" of the compressor unless the housing itself is damaged

my saga BLM until today had major service done at around 9-10 years old and that compressor survived until today...17 years old today
the only compressor that i needed to replace is my 2012 myvi which failed recently because the magnetic clutch damaged the housing else my technician said would be repairable if anything else failed
and a major service isn't just replacing the compressor oil only FYI
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lol strawman fallacy. when did i say a fridge cannot be repaired?

my point is why don't you replace your compressor oil inside your fridge every few months?

and when did i say you cannot repair or refurbish a compressor? I have only mentioned if the oil is dirty, something needs replacing or fixing. whether you want to replace the whole compressor or change magnetic clutch or band aid your compressor it is up to you.

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QUOTE(Kasawari 2 @ May 7 2025, 08:59 PM)
Why hand brake too high needs to change gear (auto transmission oil) oil ? Supposed to change rear brake pads, right ?
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This.

What does hand brake too high have anything to do with transmission oil ? rclxub.gif
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post May 8 2025, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(guest54321 @ May 8 2025, 10:13 AM)
lol strawman fallacy. when did i say a fridge cannot be repaired?

my point is why don't you replace your compressor oil inside your fridge every few months?

and when did i say you cannot repair or refurbish a compressor? I have only mentioned if the oil is dirty, something needs replacing or fixing. whether you want to replace the whole compressor or change magnetic clutch or band aid your compressor it is up to you.
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but u did say changing the oil is useless and that the oil is meant to be last for the entire lifespan of the compressor
now u say if the oil is dirty and should be replaced?

so which one is it?

at 1st u say no need change oil, only need to change compressor if it fail
now u say can refurbish compressor, can change oil? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

like why would u need to replace the whole compressor when it can be refurbished?...and can be done on the spot?
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I wonder also.
Refrigerator - no such thing of preventive change of compressor oil, use until spoil, norm to use 5 to 10 years never change.
Room air cond - never heard of change of compressor oil also, only top up if gas no enough, or wash blower when dirty. Last time I asked maintenance people, they said already got lubricant within.
But for Car - need to periodic change of compressor oil?

I taught all work the same principle
or car use different compressor mechanism?
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 8 2025, 10:18 AM)
but u did say changing the oil is useless and that the oil is meant to be last for the entire lifespan of the compressor
now u say if the oil is dirty and should be replaced?

so which one is it?

at 1st u say no need change oil, only need to change compressor if it fail
now u say can refurbish compressor, can change oil? rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

like why would u need to replace the whole compressor when it can be refurbished?...and can be done on the spot?
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wow you really cannot understand this huh?

i never said you should be replacing just the oil. if the oil is dirty, means you need to open the hvac system to fix or replace something. Nobody should go in and ask to replace compressor oil every few months because their backside is itchy. Period. Compressor itself is maintenance free. Period. When it goes wrong, sure you can weld it, fix it, replace a gasket or two, or just throw it away. That itself is not maintenance, it is a repair.

Again, back to this question - why don't you change your compressor oil in your fridge?

and i have never ever, ever said you cannot refurbish a compressor doh.gif
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QUOTE(guest54321 @ May 8 2025, 10:31 AM)
wow you really cannot understand this huh?

i never said you should be replacing just the oil. if the oil is dirty, means you need to open the hvac system to fix or replace something. Nobody should go in and ask to replace compressor oil every few months because their backside is itchy. Period. Compressor itself is maintenance free. Period. When it goes wrong, sure you can weld it, fix it, replace a gasket or two, or just throw it away. That itself is not maintenance, it is a repair.

Again, back to this question - why don't you change your compressor oil in your fridge?

and i have never ever, ever said you cannot refurbish a compressor  doh.gif
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your concept revolves around changing it every few months but compressor oil is counted by years
and u keep going back to your fridge, we use it until it fail and what do u think the technician did to "repair" it every time?
they certainly didn't change the compressor isn't it?
so what did they "do" to repair it? hmm.gif laugh.gif

and your concept revolves around JUST changing the oil in the compressor when a major service changes more than that to prolong the life of the a/c system

hence i said in the beginning it depends on how old TS's car is but then u kept attacking saying changing the oil is nothing because it's supposed to be a lifetime oil but thn say can change when the compressor failed rclxub.gif
refer back to scotty kilmer and many mechanic bro...there is no such thing as a lifetime oil

and do u know most of the compressor changed in malaysia isn't brand new although they say it's brand new?(unless it came in a box that is from the original brand manufacturer itself)
and it's all being done locally
https://www.swj.com.my/public/
if you go to your a/c shop and saw these boxes lying around, you're not getting "brand new" compressor but rather "brand new reconditioned"
no shop throw away your compressor unless the housing is damaged, everything can be refurbished on the spot
that's why a lot of scam going around kept telling their customer their compressor is gone when it's not
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QUOTE(echho @ May 7 2025, 10:44 PM)
Saw them fixing the brake shoe though. Now the hand brake like so low.

What's the mileage to change ATF?
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Every 60km-80km
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 8 2025, 07:57 AM)
every 20k KM
if it's already there thn it's time anyway unless u just changed it not long ago
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wei ATF need to change so rapidly one meh? I was told 200,000km need to change about 3 times ATF
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QUOTE(echho @ May 7 2025, 08:52 PM)
Today went to check my car toyota vios aircon. Mechanic said my hand brake too high already needs to change gear (auto transmission oil) oil. Said not expensive.

Here is breakdown of bill in photo.

Auto transmission oil rm220
Air con flushing rm180

Oil filter only Rm15 because he absorbed the one I brought which was wrong size. The correct one his original charge is rm25. It is not the charge of atf filter.

So workmanship 80 include those listed plus changing M oil.

Didn't expect the gear oil so expensive. Mechanic claimed aircon compressor pressure very high despite flushing n changed aircon filter rm28. If air con not cold next round highly likely needs to change compressor.

Car is low mileage so when reach 50k km he advised to change belt (rubber material), check brake pad n check tyres (>4 years old). Now no noticeable issues.

Are the charges fair or markup too high? And the advices standard? [attachmentid=11513376]
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yup TS kena up car.

Look at your manual, should have told your ATF need to change at what millage.

BTW it's okay to service your car la, close one eyes lo.

My compressor got issue already, went workshop they quote me Compressor+cooling coil+Condensor need RM3-4k....dam....i was like this is my last service and im going to switch EV this year end.
Damit.

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QUOTE(Jegane @ May 7 2025, 09:09 PM)
theres a chance that ur compressor was damaged from that flush, from what I know some types of compressors are NOT SUITABLE to flush
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yes rotary compressor. machine flushing and its done. time for a new compressor
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QUOTE(submergedx @ May 8 2025, 10:54 AM)
wei ATF need to change so rapidly one meh? I was told 200,000km need to change about 3 times ATF
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depends which one u believe
toyota did say their oil last 80k-100k KM
but if u look at the bottle of oil they poured in or look at their website...it's said the oil is 20-40k KM each service
so this is kinda up to who u truly believe rclxub.gif

for me ATF(normal auto) every 20k, manual oil every 30k, CVT every 40k
my bro's mitsubishi, the SC still change it every 40k for it's CVT

for my conventional auto right now, i'm using great oil which is aisin AFW so i can prolong that oil change but still..i'm not pushing it anywhere near 80k KM oil change
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 8 2025, 10:46 AM)
your concept revolves around changing it every few months but compressor oil is counted by years
and u keep going back to your fridge, we use it until it fail and what do u think the technician did to "repair" it every time?
they certainly didn't change the compressor isn't it?
so what did they "do" to repair it?  hmm.gif  laugh.gif

and your concept revolves around JUST changing the oil in the compressor when a major service changes more than that to prolong the life of the a/c system

hence i said in the beginning it depends on how old TS's car is but then u kept attacking saying changing the oil is nothing because it's supposed to be a lifetime oil but thn say can change when the compressor failed rclxub.gif
refer back to scotty kilmer and many mechanic bro...there is no such thing as a lifetime oil

and do u know most of the compressor changed in malaysia isn't brand new although they say it's brand new?(unless it came in a box that is from the original brand manufacturer itself)
and it's all being done locally
https://www.swj.com.my/public/
if you go to your a/c shop and saw these boxes lying around, you're not getting "brand new" compressor but rather "brand new reconditioned"
no shop throw away your compressor unless the housing is damaged, everything can be refurbished on the spot
that's why a lot of scam going around kept telling their customer their compressor is gone when it's not
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I really don't know why do you keep putting words in my mouth. My question is a very simple one - why don't you replace your fridge compressor oil periodically but wait until it fails? You don't seem to have an answer...as expected

You keep bringing up the topic of refurbishing a compressor. Please quote where did I say explicitly that a compressor cannot be refurbished.

You really should reread my post. Three times or more if required. I never mentioned anything wrong with refurbishing a compressor nor does this concern me. My point is very, very simple - the oil does not need to be replaced periodically. Even after years.

And since you mentioned and worshipped scotty kilmer and somewhat interested in refurbishing compressors, even he is telling in your face not to use a refurbished compressor.

"Auto mechanic for the last 49 years, Scotty Kilmer, shows why you should never use a rebuiilt air conditioning compressor on your car. If you want cold AC that lasts many years, ONLY use a brand new compressor. "


I rest my case. doh.gif

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