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post May 7 2025, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 7 2025, 04:21 PM)
Doctors' fee are regulated and at a max of RM35, let's say an average clinic with average 30 patients a day that opens for 6 days week

RM35 x 30 x24 days = RM25,200 per month gross income if all his patients bought the meds elsewhere

Rental / month = RM6,000
Electricity/water = RM1,500
2 nurses/helper = RM8,000
Equipment etc = RM500 depreciation
others e.g. database management/stationery etc = RM500
Total est. fixed expenses = RM16,500

So, est income = RM8,700

If incl meds maybe avg RM35 per pax with profit of 100% @ 17.50, meds gross income will be RM12,600/m

Total income = 21,300

Still less then many /k here, if take away meds, yes, GP doctors is just M40 or top end of B40
Reposting what on /k member say.

To the idiots who say doctor profiteering I tell you what you punde's send your children to med school then ask them go work GP clinic and be transparent with pricing.

You fellas pay 1M education fee for your stupid kid do medic then see u talk big or not.

Most doctors are not JPA scholars who education paid for by gomen own FAMA pocket. Even stupid apek with business admin degree can earn 10k a month by 28 or stupid crony child work with glc with shit degree also can make more then doctor.
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Dei pay 1.8k to 2k per helper, some clinics ask them work extra PH no pay extra, festive CNY Raya Deepavali nv give bonus

The 6k is bs. I never found a staff paid that high as a helper except 1 chain of clinic in klang valley bec i know the owner but she can do procedures

pay locum 40 hrly, 45 hrly (4 to 5 pts per hr) or tops 50 hrly (with 5 to 6 pts per hr) then claim LHDN rebate ask the loc to sign declaration potong their income
Hire professional accountant under declare as much as possible find loophole

Punde sleep well at night pay overnight 300 for 10 to 7 slot for meagre 30 hrly

Now cry foul buat pe

This post has been edited by Jedi: May 7 2025, 05:57 PM
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post May 7 2025, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 7 2025, 05:51 PM)
Again the story comes back to the crux of the problem.  Madanon failure to address fee.
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Yep, I agree.

Restaurant got different tier, you pay more for those you perceive as better quality.
Grocery also same, you pay more in Jaya Grocer because you think they are better.

I have no issue with this for doctors. They should have a bigger say in how much they want to charge for their skill, service and time.

Yang tak suka can always go to RM1 gomen hospital.
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post May 7 2025, 05:57 PM

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around my area all charges RM50 at least, just a normal fever RM100 consultation fee and medicine. After MCO, some charges RM120
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post May 7 2025, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 7 2025, 06:41 PM)
Dude again try and understand my chinaman mechanic scenario.

Problem here is consultation fee unable to cover costs so they spill the cost to medication.  Gomen first tell them we revise consultation fee baru this transparency thing  they agree then gomen just go and say display but not honour their part then u see how.
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See your argument is 'oh ROI susah capai' because this and that, which is irrelevant to why you opened the thread.
You called people stupid when some of us say doctors are profiteering. I'm just telling you why people are saying that based on what they see.

Also ada specific rule ka ROI must be so-and-so commensurate the effort / resources spent? Lots of jobs I know are even more thankless / not-as-rewarding than doctors, but that's not the topic is it?

Anyway sos on bolded part? Been reading about the topic nowhere is it mentioned there was such an agreement.
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post May 7 2025, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(Jedi @ May 7 2025, 05:55 PM)
U punde pay 1.8k to 2k per helper, some clinics ask them work extra PH no pay extra, festive CNY Raya Deepavali nv give bonus

The 6k is bs. I never found a staff paid that high as a helper except 1 chain of clinic in klang valley bec i know the owner but she can do procedures

U punde pay locum 40 hrly, 45 hrly (4 to 5 pts per hr) or tops 50 hrly (with 5 to 6 pts per hr) then claim LHDN rebate ask the loc to sign declaration potong their income

Punde sleep well at night pay overnight 300 for 10 to 7 slot for meagre 30 hrly

Now cry foul buat pe
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Dei punde I'm not talking about franchise or big name kotek kliniks just normal ones. Locum fee is super low compared to kkm at 80 per hour but kkm patient load always high locum x tents. Average patient load in kkm 60 or 70 per doctor per day Private not as much but...private pay tax rental etc kkm clinic operating solely tax payers money.


Agree locum and nurse salary must increase but Madanon must be more attentive. I feel private hospital bastards and insurance companies deserve more scrutiny.
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post May 7 2025, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 7 2025, 05:54 PM)
Basic medicine pun 7 years to learn basic stuff. Masters you need experience time and money to specialize in chosen field.

Unlike masters business admin account shitbags that use chatgpt

Doctor need real world experience plus literature and coaching .
If say the kotek got problem takkan you mahu Tanya Cardiothorasic surgeon to fix the kotek?
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That's why

People think they can compare themselves to doctors

Saying doctors shod be happy la make rm10k

Be realistic la, nowadays even LJ degree ppl make rm10k also no big deal. Dun tell me someone went thru so much hardship running a business earn rm10k u say its high? GP is a business. Any Tom dick and Harry businessman will tell u rm10k untung is not high, plus that one is actually the doctor's salary, not really the kedai untung. If u wanna compare , most businesses, the boss or CEO celery and the shop untung are two different things.

Btw one thing I want correct u, u said 30 patients a day is average.

I dun think so, when a new clinic starts if can get 5 to 10 patients per day alrdy considered good.

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QUOTE(keybearer @ May 7 2025, 05:58 PM)
See your argument is 'oh ROI susah capai' because this and that, which is irrelevant to why you opened the thread.
You called people stupid when some of us say doctors are profiteering. I'm just telling you why people are saying that based on what they see.

Also ada specific rule ka ROI must be so-and-so commensurate the effort / resources spent? Lots of jobs I know are even more thankless / not-as-rewarding than doctors, but that's not the topic is it?

Anyway sos on bolded part? Been reading about the topic nowhere is it mentioned there was such an agreement.
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They are not profiteering they want to make a living? Does that make sense ?
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post May 7 2025, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ May 7 2025, 06:01 PM)
That's why

People think they can compare themselves to doctors

Saying doctors shod be happy la make rm10k

Be realistic la, nowadays even LJ degree ppl make rm10k also no big deal. Dun tell me someone went thru so much hardship running a business earn rm10k u say its high? GP is a business. Any Tom dick and Harry businessman will tell u rm10k untung is not high, plus that one is actually the doctor's salary, not really the kedai untung.  If u wanna compare , most businesses, the boss or CEO celery and the shop untung are two different things.

Btw one thing I want correct u, u said 30 patients a day is average.

I dun think so, when a new clinic starts if can get 5 to 10 patients per day alrdy considered good.
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Yes but that's the thing if these GP start from scratch they will be hemorrhaging money like water but I'm talking about seasoned clinics that has been around 20 - 30 years la.
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where you put the promotion fee by supplement manufacturer? They get paid for scarring the shot out of patients to buy expensive supplements.
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post May 7 2025, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 7 2025, 06:04 PM)
Yes but that's the thing if these GP start from scratch they will be hemorrhaging money like water but I'm talking about seasoned clinics that has been around 20 - 30 years la.
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Dei 20 to 30 years old punya GP his peers back in high school who open workshop also earn more than him alrdy la... those mechanic , char koay towards seller from 2nd or 3rd class all laughing at the sohai who studied mbbs and now everyone controlling how much he makes

Plus people never question mechanic price must be cap how much, just pay je, sport rim keel changing even never rosak, buy vroom vroom exhaust few thousand also ok.... spend more on car modificstion than own health then when dieded blame doctor for profiteering

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post May 7 2025, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 7 2025, 05:59 PM)
Dei punde I'm not talking about franchise or big name kotek kliniks just normal ones. Locum fee is super low compared to kkm at 80 per hour but kkm patient load always high locum x tents. Average patient load in kkm 60 or 70 per doctor per day Private not as much but...private pay tax rental etc kkm clinic operating solely tax payers money.
Agree locum and nurse salary must increase but Madanon must be more attentive.  I feel private hospital bastards and insurance companies deserve more scrutiny.
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U already know 1 thing son
A specialist slough through average 6 to 10 years (HO 2 MO 4 - > mrcp ch cog pakar or +4 masters) to get to average 13k monthly and another N amount of years to get reputation, sub training by own accord whatnot to reach current level

Vs

A gp who become gp after 2 yr HO (current strawberry gen who knows minimal things and crap knowledge and practical skills

Earning 7k to 9k monthly

Vs

A gp who become gp bec chronic MO in dep underappreciated overworked or kena target but skill lvl pakar like

Earning 15k to 25k monthly based on PIC clinic ke 100k monthly to 200k monthly owner clinic build up by repo

If u got the skills and the patient management, display price aje la, those who trust u want u treat will still come to u
Those who wanna buy outside will still buy outside
Those panel sure take from u coz claim ma

Apa susah. U wanna sell pcm rm5 per tablet also gov din say cannot.

If u expect u 0 skill baru freshie gp come out wanna earn like big time gp of cuz dont dream it la. No fast track. I can only sympathise with gp plight but i dont see it a big problem
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TS correct, kene jaga periuk nasi doctor, later no one want to become doctor, siapa akan merawat heavily obese ktards nanti?
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post May 7 2025, 06:13 PM

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Consultant fees must go up no matter what. Expenses already up for many years. So, why cannot go up? Gomen don't care and not bothered to solve it. They worried voters will punish them.
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QUOTE(Jedi @ May 7 2025, 06:07 PM)
U already know 1 thing son
A specialist slough through average 6 to 10 years (HO 2 MO 4 - > mrcp ch cog pakar or +4 masters) to get to average 13k monthly and another N amount of years to get reputation, sub training by own accord whatnot to reach current level

Vs

A gp who become gp after 2 yr HO (current strawberry gen who knows minimal things and crap knowledge and practical skills

Earning 7k to 9k monthly

Vs

A gp who become gp bec chronic MO in dep underappreciated overworked or kena target but skill lvl pakar like

Earning 15k to 25k monthly based on PIC clinic ke 100k monthly to 200k monthly owner clinic build up by repo


If u got the skills and the patient management, display price aje la, those who trust u want u treat will still come to u
Those who wanna buy outside will still buy outside
Those panel sure take from u coz claim ma

Apa susah. U wanna sell pcm rm5 per tablet also gov din say cannot.

If u expect u 0 skill baru freshie gp come out wanna earn like big time gp of cuz dont dream it la. No fast track. I can only sympathise with gp plight but i dont see it a big problem
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What u mentioned in Msia specialist GP in registrar if parallel pathway sure fak off eventually . The Irish paper specialist GP will be bonded to gomen for 10 years so presumably their bond will be dome when they in mid 40's . So you think very easy to find specialist GP?
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QUOTE(Jedi @ May 7 2025, 06:07 PM)
U already know 1 thing son
A specialist slough through average 6 to 10 years (HO 2 MO 4 - > mrcp ch cog pakar or +4 masters) to get to average 13k monthly and another N amount of years to get reputation, sub training by own accord whatnot to reach current level

Vs

A gp who become gp after 2 yr HO (current strawberry gen who knows minimal things and crap knowledge and practical skills

Earning 7k to 9k monthly

Vs

A gp who become gp bec chronic MO in dep underappreciated overworked or kena target but skill lvl pakar like

Earning 15k to 25k monthly based on PIC clinic ke 100k monthly to 200k monthly owner clinic build up by repo

If u got the skills and the patient management, display price aje la, those who trust u want u treat will still come to u
Those who wanna buy outside will still buy outside
Those panel sure take from u coz claim ma

Apa susah. U wanna sell pcm rm5 per tablet also gov din say cannot.

If u expect u 0 skill baru freshie gp come out wanna earn like big time gp of cuz dont dream it la. No fast track. I can only sympathise with gp plight but i dont see it a big problem
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Lol comparing public iron rice bowl vs private dog eat dog World

With all due respect, private specialist earn up to 500k a month or more based on procedural fees and consultstion fees alone , if they own the medical centre then lagi high.. gp wanna earn not even 10 percent of that is considered super tough alrdy.

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: May 7 2025, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE(acbc @ May 7 2025, 06:13 PM)
Consultant fees must go up no matter what. Expenses already up for many years. So, why cannot go up? Gomen don't care and not bothered to solve it. They worried voters will punish them.
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Basically gomen just being a populist... they know marehsian doctor very tame, still strong work ethics and put patient first...

If we have doctors like those SOuth korean and UK doctors, AI will hailat...
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 7 2025, 06:13 PM)
What u mentioned in Msia specialist GP in registrar if parallel pathway sure fak off eventually . The Irish paper specialist GP will be bonded to gomen for 10 years so presumably their bond will be dome when they in mid 40's . So you think very easy to find specialist GP?
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Why Irish paper specialist gp bond 10 years

Got such thing meh


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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 7 2025, 06:13 PM)
What u mentioned in Msia specialist GP in registrar if parallel pathway sure fak off eventually . The Irish paper specialist GP will be bonded to gomen for 10 years so presumably their bond will be dome when they in mid 40's . So you think very easy to find specialist GP?
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Yes they will eventually fakoff in fact most esp non skin UK paper sp will eventually fakoff bec also overworked underappreciated while non clinical dino take credit

But they slough thru the yrs to reach that lvl also

I dont think gp is earning very little. I had heard of none living like a b40. Consult fee need increase, kkm rm1 fee need increase, kkm dr salary need increase, politikus allowance need to cut. Semua we agree. Healthcare is major part of any country, our country fail us. But i dont think ull be fighting scraps honestly. Trust ur own skills rather than worry about the what ifs. Unless u freshie gp then idk gud luck


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These doctors need to ask 1 question, why doctors in Malaysia so senang kena bully one laugh.gif
Easy kena target.

Dulu budak sekolah, got sold the lie study hard then can live good life in the future.
Tgk2 from school to working life all kena bully by those in higher social position haha.

Not too long ago government say mechanics need to display certification / qualification and there was a big pushback.
Now apa cerita da?
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 7 2025, 04:31 PM)
Dei punde kkm sendiri pun kasi contract saje these days why u think nowaday more private GP? Better people tell their kids don't be stupid become doctor. Gomen prefer spend money for afterlife and subsidy for b40 then healthcare.
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oi bodo. all these while making money u tarak bising? med overcharged tarak bising? u wrong chose healthcare to make money, makcik jual nasi lemak on the street easily rm10k permonth income

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