i had to interview an old man today he's 48. I'm not HR but for my line of work my boss usually sends candidates to me for interview because i know better than HR in terms of what to ask. only after i vouch the candidate then HR takes over.

so today this guy came with resume but no certificates like spm diploma degree etc etc but in the resume says got. he claimed dunno where he kept because so long never go interview. last position before resign was almost 15years working for the company. reason he resigned made sense but i won't disclose here lah.
my question is if you were me then what will you decide? is it normal for old people not to have their certs anymore? mind you this position is not engineering or something of that calibre.

this is my first time encounter this kind. is it ok not see his certs but just take him based on his work experiences? after all he almost going to pencen oredi .

not a valid reason to say dont know where it kept .. should just ignore as part of the process

"interview an old man today he's 48"

LOL says dr.m

yes

you ask for education certificate?

well depend on which position, if senior position, better check out his previous company if he cooked the resume or not. People rarely check for education cert for senior position

Well if you really want to have him on board, could just say willing to give another interview if he could gather all the necessary documents in X period of time.

Because you also have to protect your job if you let him pass. If he later became a liability, and they found out you did not do your part and you will be in trouble. Sometimes being a compassionate guy isn't worth it if the risk far outweigh the deed.

hire personality not cert at that age
the cert meant nothing at that age anymore...problem is if he can get things done

what kind of cert do that related to the job he applied or just merely qualification?

Depends on what job I guess

There's always probationary period

my colleague also said the same thing.

Maybe try asking for feedback from his reference & past employers. Also technically some certs shouldn't be hard to verify.

so true… such important documents cannot keep safely, you expect him to keep the company safely?..
furthermore, will you set a precedent? for accepting based on words?..
i am a stickler for equality and procedures…. so if the basic is not met, especially when he wrote he had, i will dismiss

If your company is iso certified, you will cause HR shitbrix and bring the whole iso audit into chaos.
If no external international certification like small cinaman comp, you can make the call

ts is the kind of person that will ask for sijil UPSR when a person has a bachelor's degree

asking for documents is HR job. no need to kecoh here in kepitiam

I prefer looking at his professional cert.

Wah people 48yo you ask for his spm cert?

Itu 30byears ago punya hal weh.

Just give him some practical test to judge his skill then make a decision.

If he still have spm cert, you should just give the job to him for being able to keep papers for so long.

i give another example....these 3 years so many students didn't even attend their SPM
so basically they officially don't have SPM cert at all...cannot say misplace already

so question is who the F is going to hire them?

so my answer would always be hire based on personality and behaviour.....as long can get things done and not troublemaker type...they're better than a lot of workers out there

What role?

Is your HR or customer strict in needing the copy of those degree certs?

Another way is ask candidate to contact his alma mater and ask for letter that verifies the authenticity of a his degree or enrollment

Gv a chance

If u sked he is criminal or something, just do background check

Pity 48 year old no job do. I can feel that pain

merely qualification. like the other guy said person of his age you hire for his experience but since this is my first time encounter like this i dunno what to decide but he knows what he's talking about when i asked him questions la.

And here we have folks still hung up on ancient academic certs.

In absence of that go for up to date certs/qualifications, recommendations or what not.

You hire senior guy based on spm ke

bro he is 48. i already duno where my certs are la

if his previous company can give good reference, then accept je

Wat job?

are you not able to evaluate if he is qualified to do what the firm needed him to do? ie qualified for the job?

just ask all the relevant technical questions to evaluate... a cert is basically useless after so many years.

having said that, I better go look for my degrees and spm/pmr/upsr certs too. haha

I can understand if you lost your SPM cert, but Diploma and Degree?

That's the most important certs for any job applications + professional cert.

You can always request from university/colleges you graduated

cert for qualification aren't that important if the experience knowledge and good personality.
like pisces88 said "if his previous company can give good reference, then accept je"

u also almost 50? 😁

If people got experience and you still look at old education cert.. sorry.. but really sohai practice if do that.

Damn ayam mia cert oso don't know put where liao

Actually what position that your company hiring for this 48 old ❓

Refer to your boss if u don't know how.

Ages 40-50 today is right in the black spot when scanning technology is not common enough back then.

nope... early 40s.

why the question?

I think its more the HR... cos sometimes certain departments of a company like HR is a stickler for processes and documentations.

and it is really silly to require a 48 years old person to hand over his/her degree cert.

https://www.moe.gov.my/sijil-spm

Sijil SPM

Saya kehilangan sijil SPM. Bagaimana untuk memohon salinan sijil yang baharu?
Pihak tuan/puan boleh mengemukakan borang permohonan ke Lembaga Peperiksaan untuk mendapatkan salinan sijil LCE, SRP ,PMR, MCE dan SPM tersebut. Permohonan salinan sijil yang hilang atau rosak boleh dibuat melalui 3 cara iaitu:

Secara Terus ke LP

Pemohon boleh datang sendiri ke Kaunter Sijil yang terletak di lobi utama aras Bawah, Blok E11, LP Putrajaya, bayaran RM30.00 dengan membawa bersama-sama Kad Pengenalan dan salinan keputusan (jika ada).

Mewakili Pihak Ketiga (Ibubapa/suami/isteri dan adik beradik)

Pemohon boleh mewakili permohonan Salinan Keputusan kepada pihak ketiga dengan syarat, pihak ketiga membawa bersama-sama salinan Kad Pengenalan pemohon, salinan keputusan (jika ada) dan surat wakil (boleh didapati di laman web LP).

Permohonan Melalui Pos

Pemohon boleh membuat permohonan melalui pos dengan cara menghantar Borang Permohonan Salinan Keputusan LP/SIJIL/Pin 1.06. Borang yang telah lengkap diisi beserta salinan Kad Pengenalan hendaklah dipos ke alamat yang tertera di dalam laman web LP.

Borang Permohonan Salinan Keputusan LP/SIJIL/Pin 1/06 boleh didapati di kaunter sijil LP Putrajaya atau boleh dimuat turun dari laman web LP di lp.moe.gov.my. Setiap permohonan salinan keputusan, bayaran proses sebanyak RM30.00 dikenakan. Bayaran boleh dibuat secara tunai atau menggunakan Wang Pos (Postal Order) atau Kiriman Wang Money (Money Order) atas nama "AKAUNTAN NEGARA". Cek persendirian tidak diterima.

Sebarang pertanyaan lanjut sila hubungi Unit Pensijilan, Lembaga Peperiksaan di talian 03-8884 3526/3528.

If the job requires a degree, then you'd want to sight and evaluate the degree. If the job requires a higher level certificate and the candidate has that certificate, why do you need to sight the SPM certificate?

afaik SPM cert is only required by govt related job because they want to filter out those who fail or didn't take SPM, e.g. those with UEC cert. So what does your company really need the SPM cert for?

Nvr mind, I think I read wrong.

This post has been edited by TiramisuCoffee: May 2 2025, 08:58 PM

Im 40 and I am running own biz now, yes I lost my degree certificate lol, 10 years ago went back to uni wanted to reprint they say have to charge AUD150 in the end didnt do it lol.

elon musk cakap dont look at education and certs, just follow, and you gonna be rich like elon guan yi ma

that is 1 thing

but if he lied his resume then that is integrity problem

got jailed for 15 years

Is is asking salary high above market level?

Does he have enough knowledge about your company's business model and activities?

Can he perform in the job he is applying? Did you test him on the requirements of the position he is applying whether he fits in?

Is he convincing in the subjects that relates to the job? Salary got ask higher than the rest?

What kind of job level he is applying? If kuli/low level don't think too much can give him a chance since he needs to feed family/survive. If manyzer/senior exec level, lost of qualification cert is no excuse that's bad flag for the person's character.

Lost of cert but make no effort after 15 years is bad flag for a person's character. He can lose his cert which is important for job search, he can also lose your company's important documents in future if not careful.

That time you even have more headache.

what position..?

When young looking for job, employer asking for experience.
When old looking for job, employer asking for certification?