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post Apr 23 2025, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 23 2025, 12:33 PM)
this, by fighting 3rd rate militaries to flex muscles. but in modern 2010 era onwards? aging systems
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The biggest problem with US military today is not their tech or their capabilities. It is their cost of equipment.

Look at the cost for the F35 vs China's J20. F35 is about 100 million while J20 is about 50 million. You can produce 2 J20s for the price of 1 F35. Don't even talk about their so called best F22. The whole program was scrapped because it was too expensive, and a lot of people is still touting it as the best despite the plane is more than 25 years old tech.

No matter how good your equipment is, you need to replace them in time of war. All the wars US fought after WW2 never encountered this problem as they do not face enemies that can really destroy their equipment. Imagine losing 1 or 2 aircraft carriers. Can they still replace them like WW2 time after they lost their manufacturing capabilities?

One of the reason Germany was beaten in WW2 was due to their inability to replace their lost equipment faster that US and Soviet Union. German tanks are definitely better than US tanks in WW2 but it's too expensive to replace a destroy Panther tank than US replacing their destroyed Shermans.
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post Apr 23 2025, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(BL98 @ Apr 23 2025, 10:58 AM)
its a strategy. say fail, but in fact is already up and running. Just keep for an opportunity to surprise
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This. Reverse psychology
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post Apr 23 2025, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Jaymeeeee @ Apr 23 2025, 12:50 PM)
This. Reverse psychology
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AMDKs really cannot accept it when America fail

Still die die need to give excuses
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post Apr 23 2025, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 11:43 AM)
The biggest problem with US military today is not their tech or their capabilities. It is their cost of equipment.

Look at the cost for the F35 vs China's J20. F35 is about 100 million while J20 is about 50 million. You can produce 2 J20s for the price of 1 F35. Don't even talk about their so called best F22. The whole program was scrapped because it was too expensive, and a lot of people is still touting it as the best despite the plane is more than 25 years old tech.

No matter how good your equipment is, you need to replace them in time of war. All the wars US fought after WW2 never encountered this problem as they do not face enemies that can really destroy their equipment. Imagine losing 1 or 2 aircraft carriers.

One of the reason Germany was beaten in WW2 was due to their inability to replace their lost equipment faster that US and Soviet Union. German tanks are definitely better than US tanks in WW2 but it's too expensive to replace a destroy Panther tank than US replacing their destroyed Shermans.
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yeah, in actual warfare among peers war of attrition is inevitable when all scales are balanced, but if youre fighting a weaker opponent you dont need the scale as the entire thing is unbalanced already

try imagine an elephant fighting a rat. no matter what the rat does, he cannot defeat the elephant. all the elephant need to do is just step on the rat, no effort required
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post Apr 23 2025, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 23 2025, 12:55 PM)
yeah, in actual warfare among peers war of attrition is inevitable when all scales are balanced, but if youre fighting a weaker opponent you dont need the scale as the entire thing is unbalanced already

try imagine an elephant fighting a rat. no matter what the rat does, he cannot defeat the elephant. all the elephant need to do is just step on the rat, no effort required
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But a lot of time the rat scares the elephant more than the elephant scare the rat laugh.gif

Thats why US lost in Vietnam and left a mess in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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post Apr 23 2025, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 11:08 AM)
You think China play play with their military?

When it comes to China, do you think what they display out in the open are their latest?
Yes, but those who have served would know the impact of realistic military training vs for show only. Without testing defences against saturation attack and hope to do so only at the point of actual combat is not exactly smart.

There is a limit to how much one can hide.

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post Apr 23 2025, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 11:45 AM)
The biggest problem with US military today is not their tech or their capabilities. It is their cost of equipment.
Its more than that. Its the cost of everything from salaries (which is 6-10x that of a chinese soldier) to exercises to maintenance etc.

That's why China can maintain a larger military at 1/4 the budget.

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 23 2025, 12:18 PM)
nonsense, their capabilities are stuck in the 90-10s era. they have nothing capable to counter modern stand off weapons from 1st rate militaries. all the current US's AD systems are only capable to counter non-maneuverable ballistic missiles and supersonic ones only. modern hypersonics with glide vehicles or maneuverable hypersonics are impossible with their current aging systems. just look at Israel which has all of the best western AD has to offer and yet Iran hypersonics still met their mark back in Oct 2024

think about it, US military brags about being best military and yet they have never actually encountered an actual peer modern warfare involving dense AD layers and modern systems in 2000s. the closest US has ever encountered a "real" AD system was back in Vietnam War and they lost over 10,000 aircrafts
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they have 9 alien craft technology powered by element 115, using gravity as propulsion. Easily destroy other countries military if they wanted too,

Oh wait...its just a dream..my bad
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post Apr 23 2025, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Apr 23 2025, 12:58 PM)
Yes, but those who have served would know the impact of realistic military training vs for show only. Without testing defences against saturation attack and hope to do so only at the point of actual combat is not exactly smart.

There is a limit to how much one can hide.
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There is a big difference between fighting poorly equipped Talibans/Insurgents and a full fledge army. Even the poorly equipped Talibans and Insurgents managed to scare and hurt US badly.

Americans and Americans supporters love to say they have better experience than everyone, but they forgot that China is not Taliban. It will be a lot of difference between fighting an enemy that can't shoot back and an enemy who can really shoot back.


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post Apr 23 2025, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Rorschach85 @ Apr 23 2025, 01:03 PM)
they have 9 alien craft technology powered by element 115, using gravity as propulsion. Easily destroy other countries military if they wanted too,

Oh wait...its just a dream..my bad
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China has Nezha and Ao Bing laugh.gif
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 11:57 AM)
But a lot of time the rat scares the elephant more than the elephant scare the rat  laugh.gif

Thats why US lost in Vietnam and left a mess in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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rat A died, where the elephant thought that it already crushed the rat , but rat B take over and so on

the rats will never win, but collectively they can annoy until the elephant chooses to stop stepping on them laugh.gif
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post Apr 23 2025, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 01:11 PM)
China has Nezha and Ao Bing  laugh.gif
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and tiktok..
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post Apr 23 2025, 12:38 PM

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TRUMP 2.0:

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Nowonder Trump kecut bola on tariff la, because his dick(missle) smaller than Sino.
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Russian u mean? China also copy, better since they have the original missiles.

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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ Apr 22 2025, 10:34 PM)
Kesian fail to copy tongsan tech.
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post Apr 23 2025, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 01:10 PM)
There is a big difference between fighting poorly equipped Talibans/Insurgents and a full fledge army. Even the poorly equipped Talibans and Insurgents managed to scare and hurt US badly.

Americans and Americans supporters love to say they have better experience than everyone, but they forgot that China is not Taliban. It will be a lot of difference between fighting an enemy that can't shoot back and an enemy who can really shoot back.
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Einstein...the last time PLA in action is Sino-Vietnam war that only lasted 3 weeks. So you are telling me they know how to do battle without practical experience. Ukraine war tell us you don't need the latest and greatest armory but adapting to enemy's weakness. It's the guerilla warfare and exploiting what little they have. Russia's Three Days invasion of Ukraine still ongoing. The era of shock and awe invasion has long gone because globalization of military industry complex. Turkey and South Korea becoming alternative supply to US. While CCP goods have never been tested in actual war. Before Ukraine war, countries buys Russian arms because they are tested on actual war and cheap.

In the history of warfare, guerilla warfare always wins against bigger army. From WW1 to Afghanistan. It's fact spirited fighters with a cause has more conviction that an army just following order. Vietcong using rat tunnels, Taliban using IEDs, Ukrainian using commercial drones,etc....
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CCP curi future amdk tech...
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post Apr 23 2025, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 12:10 PM)
There is a big difference between fighting poorly equipped Talibans/Insurgents and a full fledge army. Even the poorly equipped Talibans and Insurgents managed to scare and hurt US badly.

Americans and Americans supporters love to say they have better experience than everyone, but they forgot that China is not Taliban. It will be a lot of difference between fighting an enemy that can't shoot back and an enemy who can really shoot back.
Yes. That's why US tests themselves against existing real threats.
https://www.newsweek.com/us-tests-hypersoni...defense-2051344

When (not if) China uses such weapons, one side at least is trained.
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post Apr 23 2025, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(6so @ Apr 23 2025, 02:02 PM)
Einstein...the last time PLA in action is Sino-Vietnam war that only lasted 3 weeks. So you are telling me they know how to do battle without practical experience. Ukraine war tell us you don't need the latest and greatest armory but adapting to enemy's weakness. It's the guerilla warfare and exploiting what little they have. Russia's Three Days invasion of Ukraine still ongoing. The era of shock and awe invasion has long gone because globalization of military industry complex. Turkey and South Korea becoming alternative supply to US. While CCP goods have never been tested in actual war. Before Ukraine war, countries buys Russian arms because they are tested on actual war and cheap.

In the history of warfare, guerilla warfare always wins against bigger army. From WW1 to Afghanistan. It's fact spirited fighters with a cause has more conviction that an army just following order. Vietcong using rat tunnels, Taliban using IEDs, Ukrainian using commercial drones,etc....
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Here comes another US military is superb because they tested on Talibans and Insurgents theory.

Like I say before, this type of so-called experience means nothing when you fight an opponent who can punch back. Americans only get attacked when they go out from their bases but most of the time they get to go back into their bases and enjoy peaceful environment. Total war will be different. Their bases will be constantly being attacked too. Guerilla warfare doesn't always win. Our country is the best example when we fought the commie insurgency.

In fact, US military is equally as inexperienced as China's military on total war.

Also, AMDKs are so damn proud Americans have "experience in war" without realising they are so happy Americans are killing people!

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 01:59 PM)
Here comes another US military is superb because they tested on Talibans and Insurgents theory.

Like I say before, this type of so-called experience means nothing when you fight an opponent who can punch back. Americans only get attacked when they go out from their bases but most of the time they get to go back into their bases and enjoy peaceful environment. Total war will be different. Their bases will be constantly being attacked too. Guerilla warfare doesn't always win. Our country is the best example when we fought the commie insurgency.

In fact, US military is equally as inexperienced as China's military on total war.

Also, AMDKs are so damn proud Americans have "experience in war" without realising they are so happy Americans are killing people!
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According to AMDK logic, a pro MMA fighter fight 30 match with toddlers(poor country with no resouces and weapondary) are consider 30:0 excellent world breaking score. It din't even dare to fight russia directly

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