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because tree still belong to farmer. Only land can take back by force. Else have to wait forty years to grow same grade of tree.
How about the previous balak upon clearing up the area ..own by whom?DAP tawar jadi pembela durian raub VS authority🤦
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QUOTE(smsid @ Apr 20 2025, 07:19 AM) One of the kuil issue is mainly dbkl fault, they sold the land to Jakel despite knowing the land was requested to be purchased by the kuil committee repeatedly, yet they still go ahead and sold it. what a bodo replyThe land they take is significantly little compared to this fiasco, and further more they don't make profit other than collecting donations to improve, maintain, hold religious event, etc. 1st rukun negara, kepercayaan kepada tuhan, they are simply practicing their belief, so it is commendable cause, completely different issue than those huge land grabs that is purely to generate profit at the cost of destroying many natural habitat. what's the difference betweeen u guys and israel? emefbiemef liked this post
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QUOTE(motion_sickness @ Apr 21 2025, 09:48 AM) We don't kill or kidnap children.Not saying what they did is right, but nevertheless, they do it to practice their religion that has been around for at least 4 millennium. They didn't do it for profits by paksa suap rasuah. |
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Apr 21 2025, 09:59 AM) Oh, u went with PMX to bangcock to songkran Oppss, I mean to work a? Enjoy or not? M4A1 liked this post
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Pls read this blog of former Raub MP: https://sakmongkol.blogspot.com/2025/04/the...-economics.html
Part 1 The Raub durian growers and the economics of corruption. Tales by an unknown blogger. No 87 1. It is reported that some 14000 hectares of land are illegally cultivated . 2. That's in Raub district. 3. It is equivalent to about 35000acres. If 1 Felda scheme is 5000 acres, that's equivalent to 7 Felda schemes. 4. If each person is allocated 10acres, we can settle in 3500 people 5. If that person were an ex serviceman,, then promises made by the late tun razak that servicemen be given land, can be fulfilled. 6. The 'value of corruption per person as calculated by macc and transparency international is about rm1600 per capita. 7. For 3500 people that would be 3500x1600, its 5.6 million a year. 8. Assuming that the illegal cultivation in Raub has taken place for 10 years , the 'value' of corruption is 56 million. 9. As pak Sako, a pahang man would say, WOW! 10. Mana itu Wang pergi? To the relevant officers of the Raub land office la. 11. Using the common sense and not easily disputed logic of the late tun hanif omar, there's a 95 % probability, that the officers are Malay. 12. What would the catfish mouthed UMNO politician recommend we do to these Malay officials,? Jail them? Shoot them? Rescind any honorific titles given them? Circumcise them a 2nd time? 13. Good God! I must now read Gary S Becker's the 'economics of corruption'. 14. The value of corruption varies directly with the average height of the durian trees. Title. Part 2 The durian growers in Raub. A different view. Tales by an unknown blogger. No 86 . 1. There is a public lynching state of mind about the durian cultivation on government land in Raub. 2. Almost all, save Kadir Jasin are saying, these Chinese growers deserved it. It's kill, baby kill. 3. Most of these opinion shapers , I suspect are just armchair analysts and critics . Throwing Molotov cocktail of opinions in the dark. To flare up the issue. 4. At least Kadir Jasin has been in Raub. I met him when I was campaigning in Raub. 5. The arguments for repossession of the land varied. They ranged from the swashbuckling types to the ones put up by self righteous eco warriors. 6. Some of these people are saying, take the lands back, the lands do not belong to the Chinese durian growers nor do they belonged to their grandfathers. 7. The Chinese growers are defiant, uncouth and disrespectful trespassers. Charge them and destroy their handiwork. 8. I will let you on a little secret. Illegal economic enterprises have been done and continue to be done by ALL races in Raub. 9. Chinese grow durians and oil palms. Hey the malays are doing the same; grow durians oil palms , vegetables and so on. They opened up ponds , rear free range chickens, rear cattle and goats. 10. Kelantaneses built settlements on government lands, opened up lands to grow durians, vegetables, bunga kantan and so on. They even built suraus on government land. 11. So if like what a little Napoleon of a Pahang official said, the government has got rights over its land -converted by slant eyed ah bengs, including the rights to cut down lulian trees, do the same to ALL. 12. Yes, cut down the durian trees but cut down too palm oil trees planted by malays in ulu atok, jeram besu, kampungs Gali, dong and ulu dong, in durian sebatang, jelu etc. burn all the vegetables. cull the chickens, goats and cows reared on government land, poison the fishes, bulldoze the illegal and non titled dwellings and most heroic of all, raze the suraus built illegally on government land. 13. So, open your bloody cow dung mouth and then see, what's supposed to come out from the rear end now comes out from the mouth! 14. Burn baby burn. Destroy baby destroy. 15. The self righteous eco warriors - who and what are they? Are they people who embrace trees and whisper sweet nothings to trees? Sheesh! 16. The only person whom I know who does that is sharifah Sabrina of the tanah aina fame. She will peluk trees, talk lovingly to them and maybe smooches them . 17. Therefore if people want to become real eco warriors, join her. Don't be seasonal or topical eco warriors. Being that farcical group just when the raub durian issue surfaced. Just when there's a big hoo-ha about illegal Chinese lulian growers in Raub came up, eh eh you are eco lovers . 18. The same sanctimonious bastards keep quiet when more damaging illegal logging take place in Raub for the past umpteen years 19. The illegal logging take place probably with the connivance and complicity of the Raub district forest department. 20. That brings us to the vicariously and severally liability of the raub land office. Circumcise the DO and SOs a second time . 21. The durian trees that we saw felled down, are of fruiting age. 5 to 10 years, right? 22. Which means that for 5 to 10 years or more, the land office did not take any corrective, remedial or enforcement actions. 23. If those measures were done intentionally, negligently or voluntarily, the land office is estopped from felling the trees. 24. In my opinion (mine only) any acts that provided the officers at tle the land office are removed because of their nonfeasance. 25. So, social media warriors, especially the Malay supremacist types, it's not a simple matter of bludgeoning the head of the Raub MP only . 26. Ask also, that those who decided to chop the durian trees be jailed for destruction of property. 27. The MP for Raub is doing what is expected of him. To defend the interests of people, maybe his supporters against the draconian and ill conceived measures of the Raub land office. He would do the same if it involves people from pamah kulat,pamah rawas, sungai pasu or ulu dong. 28. So, Mr chow Yu hui, do what is expected of you. All sane people and law abiding people, those not easily giving in to the mindless screams of Malay supremacists on social media,will support you. 29. I wouldn't give any credence at all to UMNO inspired opinions. There are several and I will comment on them briefly. 30 . I have already mentioned about the hubristic, look down attitude of a sorry excuse of a little Napoleon government official. Who said the government has rights. His opinion is just that of a hater and a hate opinion. He represents the group who just know how to destroy, not build. It's the master slave relationship in action . The coolies all have to listen to him because he has the tool of oppression. 31. There was this expected stupid statement from an equally stupid looking UMNO politician . He said because the ah bengs have made millions, take the land from them. 32. Ah ha that's how UMNO thinks, folks. It's envious of others who make money. Others work, they stay at home and procreate. UMNO would rather have a portion of the money be given to them for free. And protection money be gifted monthly to the stupid looking politician. 33. It's also hate speech, sour grapish and one tinged by racism. Anything that makes the Chinese stronger is a dagger or meat cleaver directed at malays. So, the Chinese growers must be shackled . 34. Then there was also this view from an uncle Tom MCA lass who said this isn't a racist issue. Sure ah Moy -keep saying this shit and MCA will be extinct in west pahang. It will also be an also ran party in pahang . 35. Lastly, I wonder if during fruiting seasons, basketfuls of choice lulians are sent to the DOs and SOs houses. Ang pows during festive seasons, paid for change of car tyres and paid for visits to massat centres in bentong or KL. Number 47 is good. Ipoh mali, kincing tatak munyi! |
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QUOTE(williamtan2020 @ Apr 21 2025, 10:25 AM) Pls read this blog of former Raub MP: https://sakmongkol.blogspot.com/2025/04/the...-economics.html He has a point but the Farmers lost their court case.Part 1 The Raub durian growers and the economics of corruption. Tales by an unknown blogger. No 87 1. It is reported that some 14000 hectares of land are illegally cultivated . 2. That's in Raub district. 3. It is equivalent to about 35000acres. If 1 Felda scheme is 5000 acres, that's equivalent to 7 Felda schemes. 4. If each person is allocated 10acres, we can settle in 3500 people 5. If that person were an ex serviceman,, then promises made by the late tun razak that servicemen be given land, can be fulfilled. 6. The 'value of corruption per person as calculated by macc and transparency international is about rm1600 per capita. 7. For 3500 people that would be 3500x1600, its 5.6 million a year. 8. Assuming that the illegal cultivation in Raub has taken place for 10 years , the 'value' of corruption is 56 million. 9. As pak Sako, a pahang man would say, WOW! 10. Mana itu Wang pergi? To the relevant officers of the Raub land office la. 11. Using the common sense and not easily disputed logic of the late tun hanif omar, there's a 95 % probability, that the officers are Malay. 12. What would the catfish mouthed UMNO politician recommend we do to these Malay officials,? Jail them? Shoot them? Rescind any honorific titles given them? Circumcise them a 2nd time? 13. Good God! I must now read Gary S Becker's the 'economics of corruption'. 14. The value of corruption varies directly with the average height of the durian trees. Title. Part 2 The durian growers in Raub. A different view. Tales by an unknown blogger. No 86 . 1. There is a public lynching state of mind about the durian cultivation on government land in Raub. 2. Almost all, save Kadir Jasin are saying, these Chinese growers deserved it. It's kill, baby kill. 3. Most of these opinion shapers , I suspect are just armchair analysts and critics . Throwing Molotov cocktail of opinions in the dark. To flare up the issue. 4. At least Kadir Jasin has been in Raub. I met him when I was campaigning in Raub. 5. The arguments for repossession of the land varied. They ranged from the swashbuckling types to the ones put up by self righteous eco warriors. 6. Some of these people are saying, take the lands back, the lands do not belong to the Chinese durian growers nor do they belonged to their grandfathers. 7. The Chinese growers are defiant, uncouth and disrespectful trespassers. Charge them and destroy their handiwork. 8. I will let you on a little secret. Illegal economic enterprises have been done and continue to be done by ALL races in Raub. 9. Chinese grow durians and oil palms. Hey the malays are doing the same; grow durians oil palms , vegetables and so on. They opened up ponds , rear free range chickens, rear cattle and goats. 10. Kelantaneses built settlements on government lands, opened up lands to grow durians, vegetables, bunga kantan and so on. They even built suraus on government land. 11. So if like what a little Napoleon of a Pahang official said, the government has got rights over its land -converted by slant eyed ah bengs, including the rights to cut down lulian trees, do the same to ALL. 12. Yes, cut down the durian trees but cut down too palm oil trees planted by malays in ulu atok, jeram besu, kampungs Gali, dong and ulu dong, in durian sebatang, jelu etc. burn all the vegetables. cull the chickens, goats and cows reared on government land, poison the fishes, bulldoze the illegal and non titled dwellings and most heroic of all, raze the suraus built illegally on government land. 13. So, open your bloody cow dung mouth and then see, what's supposed to come out from the rear end now comes out from the mouth! 14. Burn baby burn. Destroy baby destroy. 15. The self righteous eco warriors - who and what are they? Are they people who embrace trees and whisper sweet nothings to trees? Sheesh! 16. The only person whom I know who does that is sharifah Sabrina of the tanah aina fame. She will peluk trees, talk lovingly to them and maybe smooches them . 17. Therefore if people want to become real eco warriors, join her. Don't be seasonal or topical eco warriors. Being that farcical group just when the raub durian issue surfaced. Just when there's a big hoo-ha about illegal Chinese lulian growers in Raub came up, eh eh you are eco lovers . 18. The same sanctimonious bastards keep quiet when more damaging illegal logging take place in Raub for the past umpteen years 19. The illegal logging take place probably with the connivance and complicity of the Raub district forest department. 20. That brings us to the vicariously and severally liability of the raub land office. Circumcise the DO and SOs a second time . 21. The durian trees that we saw felled down, are of fruiting age. 5 to 10 years, right? 22. Which means that for 5 to 10 years or more, the land office did not take any corrective, remedial or enforcement actions. 23. If those measures were done intentionally, negligently or voluntarily, the land office is estopped from felling the trees. 24. In my opinion (mine only) any acts that provided the officers at tle the land office are removed because of their nonfeasance. 25. So, social media warriors, especially the Malay supremacist types, it's not a simple matter of bludgeoning the head of the Raub MP only . 26. Ask also, that those who decided to chop the durian trees be jailed for destruction of property. 27. The MP for Raub is doing what is expected of him. To defend the interests of people, maybe his supporters against the draconian and ill conceived measures of the Raub land office. He would do the same if it involves people from pamah kulat,pamah rawas, sungai pasu or ulu dong. 28. So, Mr chow Yu hui, do what is expected of you. All sane people and law abiding people, those not easily giving in to the mindless screams of Malay supremacists on social media,will support you. 29. I wouldn't give any credence at all to UMNO inspired opinions. There are several and I will comment on them briefly. 30 . I have already mentioned about the hubristic, look down attitude of a sorry excuse of a little Napoleon government official. Who said the government has rights. His opinion is just that of a hater and a hate opinion. He represents the group who just know how to destroy, not build. It's the master slave relationship in action . The coolies all have to listen to him because he has the tool of oppression. 31. There was this expected stupid statement from an equally stupid looking UMNO politician . He said because the ah bengs have made millions, take the land from them. 32. Ah ha that's how UMNO thinks, folks. It's envious of others who make money. Others work, they stay at home and procreate. UMNO would rather have a portion of the money be given to them for free. And protection money be gifted monthly to the stupid looking politician. 33. It's also hate speech, sour grapish and one tinged by racism. Anything that makes the Chinese stronger is a dagger or meat cleaver directed at malays. So, the Chinese growers must be shackled . 34. Then there was also this view from an uncle Tom MCA lass who said this isn't a racist issue. Sure ah Moy -keep saying this shit and MCA will be extinct in west pahang. It will also be an also ran party in pahang . 35. Lastly, I wonder if during fruiting seasons, basketfuls of choice lulians are sent to the DOs and SOs houses. Ang pows during festive seasons, paid for change of car tyres and paid for visits to massat centres in bentong or KL. Number 47 is good. Ipoh mali, kincing tatak munyi! max_cavalera liked this post
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QUOTE(axelrade1 @ Apr 21 2025, 10:22 AM) because m ceroboh sorang2 so senang tarik masuk jail. meanwhile c ceroboh ramai2, so it become normalise and nampak macam di tindas. And they got money to beri suap rasuah for buat kerja buta and they hire many lawyers.This post has been edited by smsid: Apr 21 2025, 10:35 AM max_cavalera liked this post
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where is the chronology of the event? from the 1st day discover haram durian. if can know way b4 who allow haram until so vast of land the better
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QUOTE(keybearer @ Apr 19 2025, 10:00 PM) Bas tengah terbakar throw ownself under it. like that day Pahang Sultan got mentioned, ada lombong Haram.There better be something like a massive gold deposit under it else their grave headstone gonna read very funny. Must be illegal gold mine. Can't say this publicly in news or else, everyone will be rushing there to mine gold. So news just say musang king |
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