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post Apr 14 2025, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Apr 14 2025, 08:07 PM)
The chances to get back your money, 0%
Sorry but it's true as me myself also been scammed thru carousell few years back, lesson learned 😔
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Did u reported PDRM and Bank? How was your case like
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post Apr 14 2025, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(Snoopycute98 @ Apr 14 2025, 08:53 PM)
Did u reported PDRM and Bank? How was your case like
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Well i did report to pdrm and bank, 3 days later police call me regarding the report they received, they said there's no guarantee for me to get the money back but if they managed to catch the scammer, they will informed me, but police said the chances 50/50, until now no news 🙁
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QUOTE(CyberKewl @ Apr 13 2025, 09:58 PM)
buy from carousell have to be careful...
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When buy from carousell pls use their platform as payment.
No direct deal.

Carousell will protect buyer as well as seller too.


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post Apr 14 2025, 10:26 PM

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post Apr 14 2025, 11:22 PM

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post Apr 14 2025, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(GalaxyV @ Apr 14 2025, 11:22 PM)
Please go to Bank Islam and pass your police report to them.
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Done liao. No use, went to 2 banks today
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post Apr 15 2025, 02:20 AM

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got dial 997?

anyway its almost certain not the scammer's own account..
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QUOTE(Snoopycute98 @ Apr 14 2025, 11:45 PM)
Done liao. No use, went to 2 banks today
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Police will only entertain cases above 5k. Below settle among yourself. Your 600 consider gone.

Remember to do cod next time. Do checks on the spot too.
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post Apr 15 2025, 05:47 AM

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the shop name also 'rinse and repeat'
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post Apr 15 2025, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(Snoopycute98 @ Apr 14 2025, 09:58 AM)
I have called BNM, it seems like they are not willing to help as it's fall under police (as they claimed)

Nonetheless I'm at Bank Islam rn to make a case report
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Don't contact BNM for the case itself, contact them once you've lodged a case with Bank Islam. The power BNM has here is to push the bank to handle the investigation within the time frame.


QUOTE(Snoopycute98 @ Apr 14 2025, 10:45 AM)
Bank Islam asked me to refer towards Maybank 😅

Edit: Maybank said they cant help and wont get back money, wtf.
No case number etc
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Maybank won't be able to do anything until Bank Islam decides to do their effing job. You need to go back, or maybe call first, since the ball is now in their court. Beneficiary bank (the bank that receives the funds) is the one that needs to initiate the investigation. What's supposed to happen is:

1) Bank Islam starts an investigation
2) They will liase with Maybank to confirm the transaction (did it take place? by what means? was it authentic? etc)
3) Once they have gathered enough evidence, combined with your police report, they should come to a conclusion.

Contact Bank Islam again and be extremely firm about wanting to open a report. Also call BNM and let them know you have made a police report and Bank Islam is not cooperating. Any scam case where funds are transferred to another bank, it wouldn't help much (if at all) to make a report with your bank, as the funds have left your account and it is out of their hands.

Bank Islam is the only one that can initiate the investigation and the fact they are refusing to do so, makes them an accomplice. You can use this argument with them, as well as BNM. You're not trying to break the law by asking for the scammers details. Simply asking the bank to start an investigation on someone who is highly likely to be a scammer. Usually cases like this, the staff is too lazy (or too new) to process the paperwork. This is absolutely the responsibility of the Bank receiving said funds.

Another keyword you can use to trigger BNM is money laundering. Industry lingo for this is AMLA. The fact that Bank Islam is refusing to start an investigation either means they are protecting the scammer, or it is part of a bigger problem. Are they allowing cases like this so they can launder the money? This should be something that interest BNM since it's no longer about someone "stealing" your money, but instead, a financial institution disregard of their responsibility.

Also, you may very likely not get back your money. There's essentially a non-zero chance. It's not impossible, but odds aren't great.

Also, have you tried the national scam hotline? It's only meant for scams that occur within 24 hours but maybe they have some helpful points.


On a different note, how did you initiate the conversation with Bank Islam?

Edit: Contact carousell as well with your police report. You may not get your money back, but at least it might raise a flag on their end to do something about the seller.

This post has been edited by marquis: Apr 15 2025, 08:50 AM
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post Apr 15 2025, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(marquis @ Apr 15 2025, 08:48 AM)
Don't contact BNM for the case itself, contact them once you've lodged a case with Bank Islam. The power BNM has here is to push the bank to handle the investigation within the time frame.
Maybank won't be able to do anything until Bank Islam decides to do their effing job. You need to go back, or maybe call first, since the ball is now in their court. Beneficiary bank (the bank that receives the funds) is the one that needs to initiate the investigation. What's supposed to happen is:

1) Bank Islam starts an investigation
2) They will liase with Maybank to confirm the transaction (did it take place? by what means? was it authentic? etc)
3) Once they have gathered enough evidence, combined with your police report, they should come to a conclusion.

Contact Bank Islam again and be extremely firm about wanting to open a report. Also call BNM and let them know you have made a police report and Bank Islam is not cooperating. Any scam case where funds are transferred to another bank, it wouldn't help much (if at all) to make a report with your bank, as the funds have left your account and it is out of their hands.

Bank Islam is the only one that can initiate the investigation and the fact they are refusing to do so, makes them an accomplice. You can use this argument with them, as well as BNM. You're not trying to break the law by asking for the scammers details. Simply asking the bank to start an investigation on someone who is highly likely to be a scammer. Usually cases like this, the staff is too lazy (or too new) to process the paperwork. This is absolutely the responsibility of the Bank receiving said funds.

Another keyword you can use to trigger BNM is money laundering. Industry lingo for this is AMLA. The fact that Bank Islam is refusing to start an investigation either means they are protecting the scammer, or it is part of a bigger problem. Are they allowing cases like this so they can launder the money? This should be something that interest BNM since it's no longer about someone "stealing" your money, but instead, a financial institution disregard of their responsibility.

Also, you may very likely not get back your money. There's essentially a non-zero chance. It's not impossible, but odds aren't great.

Also, have you tried the national scam hotline? It's only meant for scams that occur within 24 hours but maybe they have some helpful points.
On a different note, how did you initiate the conversation with Bank Islam?

Edit: Contact carousell as well with your police report. You may not get your money back, but at least it might raise a flag on their end to do something about the seller.
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They kept telling me to refer back to Maybank. I have submitted to Maybank online and thus there's case number for me to refer.

The Bank Islam banker told me that this was a legitimate account, not mule, and hence they wont do anything about it as money came from Maybank sad.gif

NSRC hotline is for 0 - 72 hours only. Mine was way pass that.

Edit: On a different note, how did you initiate the conversation with Bank Islam?

I just give them the police report and told them that I have been fraud by this account bla2.. then they took my details etc. After that the banker went to speak to his manager, and manager told him that there's nothing much Bank Islam
can do since money came from Maybank

Yes done contact carousell and seller has been de-listed of all of his listing

This post has been edited by Snoopycute98: Apr 15 2025, 10:14 AM
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post Apr 15 2025, 11:14 AM

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Did you make a report to 997 National Scam Centre? You are doing on your own, skipping the process. Cepat report to them.

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post Apr 15 2025, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(Snoopycute98 @ Apr 15 2025, 10:12 AM)
They kept telling me to refer back to Maybank. I have submitted to Maybank online and thus there's case number for me to refer.

The Bank Islam banker told me that this was a legitimate account, not mule, and hence they wont do anything about it as money came from Maybank  sad.gif 

NSRC hotline is for 0 - 72 hours only. Mine was way pass that.

Edit: On a different note, how did you initiate the conversation with Bank Islam?

I just give them the police report and told them that I have been fraud by this account bla2.. then they took my details etc. After that the banker went to speak to his manager, and manager told him that there's nothing much Bank Islam
can do since money came from Maybank

Yes done contact carousell and seller has been de-listed of all of his listing
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This is a good case example and next time to use this reason "nothing much can be done" or this is legitmate account and not mule account. Legitmate and can be used to scam people and the bank just did nothing?

Make complaints lah to BNM and 997 so the account will be freeze. I know you do not intend to get back what you paid but I know you wanna the seller to get punished and no easy life, like his bank account kena freeze.

Last time my friend's account kena third party scam. It is HLB. Sender is Maybank.

Victim made report to police and bring the letter to Maybank. Maybank contacted HLB and her account get frozen. My friend went to branch to provide proof and within 1 day, her account was released.

This depends if the officer wanna do job or not. But wanna do job also see colour. U know lah

This post has been edited by GalaxyV: Apr 15 2025, 11:31 AM
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post Apr 15 2025, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(Snoopycute98 @ Apr 15 2025, 10:12 AM)
They kept telling me to refer back to Maybank. I have submitted to Maybank online and thus there's case number for me to refer.

The Bank Islam banker told me that this was a legitimate account, not mule, and hence they wont do anything about it as money came from Maybank  sad.gif 

NSRC hotline is for 0 - 72 hours only. Mine was way pass that.

Edit: On a different note, how did you initiate the conversation with Bank Islam?

I just give them the police report and told them that I have been fraud by this account bla2.. then they took my details etc. After that the banker went to speak to his manager, and manager told him that there's nothing much Bank Islam
can do since money came from Maybank

Yes done contact carousell and seller has been de-listed of all of his listing
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Go to a different branch. Get the name of the manager. He's already breaking regulations by saying "this is not a mule account". Either he is incompetent or in cahoots with the scammer. Coz by right, he can neither confirm or deny if an account is a mule account. Unless you're law enforcement.

The part I highlighted is bullshit. Maybank is the one that cannot do anything since the funds are now with Bank Islam. Unless things have changed drastically in the past year, it's ALWAYS the receiving bank that needs to make a report.

You can either go to a different branch (find a bigger one or a HQ if possible), or call in now. Tell them you want to make a report for a scam/fraud by one of their account holders. Police report made. From what I've heard before, their call centre is really quite horrid. Always pushing responsibility to others. So if you really wanna pursue this, keep on calling till you get someone that will take the report, or go to a branch and demand a manager and don't take no for an answer. They're required to make a report on their end to investigate the matter, especially with a police report.

Call BNM again and get their stance on this matter. Police won't go any further at this point because the amount is too small and frankly, unless you have connections, they've got "better" things to do. From what I remember, BNM should be able to force the bank to start the investigation since this has some element of fraud to it.

AFAIK and confirmed before, the bank NEEDS to start an investigation when one of their account holders is an alleged scammer.

Call the NSRC hotline again to get general info. You may have passed the time limit, but if you're lucky enough, someone might have an alternative for you.

You made a report with Maybank right? What did they say? Last I heard sending bank could possibly start an investigation but it won't be as powerful as the receiving bank. I might be mistaken with the sending bank not being able to do anything. Fairly recent change with the introduction of NSRC. I think they won't be able to do much if it's pass the 24h mark though.

Regardless, call BNM and ask them what else you can do after a police report has been made. It doesn't make sense for you to just twiddle your thumbs as the perpetrator is still out there.

Good luck man (and apologies if the info I have is somewhat outdated)


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post Apr 15 2025, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(GalaxyV @ Apr 15 2025, 11:30 AM)
This is a good case example and next time to use this reason "nothing much can be done" or this is legitmate account and not mule account. Legitmate and can be used to scam people and the bank just did nothing?

Make complaints lah to BNM and 997 so the account will be freeze. I know you do not intend to get back what you paid but I know you wanna the seller to get punished and no easy life, like his bank account kena freeze.

Last time my friend's account kena third party scam. It is HLB. Sender is Maybank.

Victim made report to police and bring the letter to Maybank. Maybank contacted HLB and her account get frozen. My friend went to branch to provide proof and within 1 day, her account was released.

This depends if the officer wanna do job or not. But wanna do job also see colour. U know lah
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How long ago was this? Pre or Post NSRC?

Maybank did a good job there. Coz sender bank usually won't be able to do anything, without the receiving bank starting the process. Maybe I should ask my banker friends and see if things have changed recently.

Highlighted the problem here. Most of the time they're too lazy to do anything because it's a very involved process.

What annoys me TS' case is the receiving bank totally don't want to accept the police report and keep on pushing the responsibility to the sending bank.
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QUOTE(marquis @ Apr 15 2025, 11:54 AM)
How long ago was this? Pre or Post NSRC?

Maybank did a good job there. Coz sender bank usually won't be able to do anything, without the receiving bank starting the process. Maybe I should ask my banker friends and see if things have changed recently.

Highlighted the problem here. Most of the time they're too lazy to do anything because it's a very involved process.

What annoys me TS' case is the receiving bank totally don't want to accept the police report and keep on pushing the responsibility to the sending bank.
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I don't know pre post but it was quite long time. If not mistaken, 2020 or 2021.

Her bank told her that because Maybank contacted them, so they have to do job to freeze her and let her to explain.

So HLB did a good job too.

The HLB also claimed that regardless if your account is legitmate or not, when we received report, we will follow SOP to act.

But for TS case, if Bank Islam didn't act, it doesn't follow SOP (you know I know), TS can file a complaint to BNM to query why (U know why)

This post has been edited by GalaxyV: Apr 15 2025, 12:01 PM
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post Apr 15 2025, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(GalaxyV @ Apr 15 2025, 11:57 AM)
I don't know pre post but it was quite long time. If not mistaken, 2020 or 2021.

Her bank told her that because Maybank contacted them, so they have to do job to freeze her and let her to explain.

So HLB did a good job too.

The HLB also claimed that regardless if your account is legitmate or not, when we received report, we will follow SOP to act.

But for TS case, if Bank Islam didn't act, it doesn't follow SOP (you know I know), TS can file a complaint to BNM to query why (U know why)
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If it's around that time then it's Pre-NSRC...which means Maybank really did a good job, coz most banks won't bother to initiate. Especially back then . Usually they will only take action after recipient bank contacts them to verify. Not sure how much have things changed since NSRC though.

But yes, that is the correct SOP. Receive report, account will be frozen pending result of their investigation. If they refuse to launch the investigation it's either their incompetent (best case) or protecting the account owner (Pretty sure this is considered criminal).

I personally see that as an obstruction of justice. Pretty sure BNM would be interested to know why they didn't carry out what should be routine SOP.
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Apr 14 2025, 10:58 AM)
wah nice very detailed.

My friend who actively sell in carousell need to hear this.

Last i heard his usual tactic is get address/ic from bank. then google street and send screenshot to the scammer. so far 100% return the money.
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If you want to find the scammer, make absolutely sure you are not threatening violence. Especially in writing. Make sure non-spoken as well, in case you're recorded. Coz this could be turned around towards you. And they have proof.


QUOTE(Snoopycute98 @ Apr 14 2025, 11:04 AM)
Bank wont disclose his address/ic
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Banks by law cannot disclose any personal information to a third party. Caveats apply of course, but to the average citizen, by law, they cannot reveal anything.

QUOTE(Snoopycute98 @ Apr 14 2025, 04:01 PM)
The bank lady, she terus told me won't dapat money dy. Then when I ask for case number she just cincai² ignore. Quite fedup.
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Got her name? Lodge a report to both HQ and BNM. She also went off script saying won't get the money. She definitely needs to give you a report number. If you didn't get her name, get her description and file a complaint. Idiots like that give a bad name to bankers in general.


QUOTE(GalaxyV @ Apr 14 2025, 04:21 PM)
you tell the bank that your intention is not to dapat balik money but bank has the duty to freeze his account for investigation

because they did it to me before when someone reported me receiving third party scam money

and also, the bank told me if i dont refund the money to the victim, they will withheld the money forever

then why they dont practise this on you?

if the branch doesn't act anything, you can make complaint to their HQ for nothing to be done by the staff.

if the HQ tells you it is beyond their right to freeze the account without court order, then you can tell my incident and i will stand out to go to meet them.
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Yes, this is one of the ways the bank can deal with it. They have the authority to freeze your account since they have a report in hand. Unless that report was made redundant or found to be false, they can freeze your account indefinitely since there's T&Cs when you signed up for the account. The fact that Bank Islam is doing nothing is very suspicious.

If their HQ somehow says they can't freeze the account without a court order, then that's a lie. You've made a police report. They need to investigate. Burden of proof then falls on the scammer. However if like you said you've got screen shots saying the seller will refund you, basically admitting fault, then that should be proof enough. At this point I'd pursue this case even if I'm not gonna get my money back, coz F Bank Islam for not taking this seriously.

Wanna make a bigger wave, go find your local MP. You could also weaponise social media. Or news. Basically make a big deal out of this...not for the money. I'd recommend you deleting the scammers details if you go down this road coz it might hurt your chances...since you're essentially doxxing him.

The highlight here isn't about you losing money, it's the fact the bank is enabling the scammer by not freezing his account, and refusing to carry out their responsibility.

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