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post Mar 9 2025, 04:42 PM, updated 10 months ago

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The LDP approach by China is simpler, smaller, more cost-effective and better energy efficiency.

https://www.techpowerup.com/333801/china-de...poly-in-trouble

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ashutosh-k-3...874267136-b2AG/

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post Mar 9 2025, 04:43 PM

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habislah ASML
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Won't be surprised that the specs and performance will surpass all current EUV machines.
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As expected

What else China cannot make?

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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Mar 9 2025, 04:43 PM)
habislah ASML
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QUOTE(ceras @ Mar 9 2025, 04:50 PM)
Won't be surprised that the specs and performance will surpass all current EUV machines.
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short ASML first then ask
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post Mar 9 2025, 05:10 PM

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Just a matter of time.
Nothing can stop China, HSR, jetplane, satellite, spaceship, aircraft carrier, 5G,6G. Once they manage to overtake US in AI & semicon, they would be formidable.
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 9 2025, 04:51 PM)
As expected

What else China cannot make?
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wumao,

u mean what else China cannot copy?




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post Mar 9 2025, 05:16 PM

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They see it coming
Ned not keen to sanction.. but US gave pressure

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post Mar 9 2025, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(redic @ Mar 9 2025, 05:14 PM)
wumao,

u mean what else China cannot copy?
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sure, pretty confident china copy this from Bharat

Bharat just got rob of their invention
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Mar 9 2025, 05:16 PM)
sure, pretty confident china copy this from Bharat

Bharat just got rob of their invention
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i see

your parents from Bharat told you that?



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post Mar 9 2025, 05:17 PM

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Some people just don't read
Huawei patented this new approach of EUV since 2024

Still AMDK wanna say copy
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post Mar 9 2025, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 9 2025, 04:51 PM)
As expected

What else China cannot make?
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post Mar 9 2025, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(yehlai @ Mar 9 2025, 05:16 PM)
They see it coming
Ned not keen to sanction.. but US gave pressure

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this news was 2 years+ ago.

if you google a bit the keyword LDP method for EUV, can see numerous papers on it by Chinese researchers, they have been on it since the early 2020 or even before that. Remember, Trump started to sanction China back in his 1s term around 2018 if not mistaken.
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QUOTE(UnknownMy @ Mar 9 2025, 05:19 PM)
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superb answer


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QUOTE(redic @ Mar 9 2025, 05:14 PM)
wumao,

u mean what else China cannot copy?
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Aiyah who doesnt copy nowadays, but they also improvise it for the benefits of everyone, worst r those that r incapable of anything.
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post Mar 9 2025, 05:23 PM

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Well copied! Good job.
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QUOTE(redic @ Mar 9 2025, 05:14 PM)
wumao,

u mean what else China cannot copy?
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QUOTE(Mattrock @ Mar 9 2025, 05:23 PM)
Well copied! Good job.
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this is not copy. China used different approach than ASML. read the 2nd tweet posted above by a TSMC employee. also, China does not have access to any ASML EUV machine since China is sanctioned by US from getting it.
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Mar 9 2025, 05:29 PM)
this is not copy. China used different approach than ASML. read the 2nd tweet posted above by a TSMC employee. also, China does not have access to any ASML EUV machine since China is sanctioned by US from getting it.
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AMDK can't even read, you can't expect to change their view with years of propaganda and brainrot.
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this is same like ASMR?
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Mar 9 2025, 05:29 PM)
this is not copy. China used different approach than ASML. read the 2nd tweet posted above by a TSMC employee. also, China does not have access to any ASML EUV machine since China is sanctioned by US from getting it.
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and also asml machines have self destruct switch.

if it falls into wrong hands.. simply press a button remotely... poof... it's a pile of trash now
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If saying so will make you feel secure and comfortable, unker doesn't mind at all

Your sarcasm will only make China becoming stronger

The irony is that no matter how you dislike China, you can never stop China from advancing in technology

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wumao,

u mean what else China cannot copy?
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Are you sure the democracy that US/EU has been practising is the real democracy?

Lol

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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 9 2025, 06:17 PM)
Are you sure the democracy that US/EU has been practising is the real democracy?

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still better than communist democracy
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Most Asians always believe the field in the west is always greener

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still better than communist democracy
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 9 2025, 06:35 PM)
Most Asians always believe the field in the west is always greener
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because many didn't brainwashed by communist and CCP


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If saying so will make you feel secure and comfortable, unker doesn't mind at all

Your defamation will only make China becoming stronger

QUOTE(redic @ Mar 9 2025, 06:38 PM)
because many didn't brainwashed by communist and CCP
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Mar 9 2025, 05:42 PM)
DeepSeek Moment for Lithography  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif





The LDP approach by China is simpler, smaller, more cost-effective and better energy efficiency.

https://www.techpowerup.com/333801/china-de...poly-in-trouble

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ashutosh-k-3...874267136-b2AG/
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SOHAI, don't talk big la, this news already more than 1 month ! Now you only huh hah ? just to generate EUV laser light ONLY in the laboratory ! LOL !



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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 9 2025, 06:45 PM)
If saying so will make you feel secure and comfortable, unker doesn't mind at all

Your defamation will only make China becoming stronger
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ok noted brainless wumao's statement


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Kind of expected, china no lack of high IQ exceed west county tech domination just matter of time.
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 9 2025, 07:45 PM)
If saying so will make you feel secure and comfortable, unker doesn't mind at all

Your defamation will only make China becoming stronger
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Typical brainless 中华胶 statement ! LOL !

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Are you type c?

Why do you feel ashamed of your root?

QUOTE(redic @ Mar 9 2025, 06:54 PM)
ok noted brainless wumao's statement
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QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 9 2025, 06:56 PM)
Typical brainless 中华胶 statement ! LOL !
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 9 2025, 07:03 PM)
Are you type c?

Why do you feel ashamed of your root?
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ya your root been scamming and killing each other , killing own type for over 5000 years

you very proud having scammer and murderer ancestors?

you bodo or blind? use brain la sohai


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just a matter of them they can do 1picometer chip
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 9 2025, 08:03 PM)
Are you type c?

Why do you feel ashamed of your root?
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Root ? You 中华老胶will think about OLD root, but I only think about grow NEW root 落地生根, NOT OLD root 落叶归根, sohai 中华老胶 ! LOL !

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QUOTE(redic @ Mar 9 2025, 06:38 PM)
because many didn't brainwashed by communist and CCP
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Means type m and type i must quickly go and sign up to learn Chinese language? else only reading in English, going forward there will be a big gap in the latest technology?
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There's no perfect country and ppl in the world

Everything has good and dark sides

Unker feel sorry to you if your root originated from the dark side

Now unker understands why you hated your root so much

Unker's root was from the light side

Unker feels proud of them

QUOTE(redic @ Mar 9 2025, 07:09 PM)
ya your root been scamming and killing each other , killing own type for over 5000 years

you very proud having scammer and murderer ancestors? 

you bodo or blind? use brain la sohai
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 9 2025, 07:41 PM)
There's no perfect country and ppl in the world

Everything has good and dark sides

Unker feel sorry to you if your root originated from the dark side

Now unker understands why you hated your root so much

Unker's root was from the light side

Unker feels proud of them
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lmao as if you blindly wumao can differentiate good and bad

5000 years of DNA budaya, you share the same shit with CCP scammers and murderer too



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QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 9 2025, 07:20 PM)
Root ? You 中华老胶will think about OLD root, but I only think about grow NEW root 落地生根, NOT OLD root 落叶归根, sohai 中华老胶 ! LOL !
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no wonder this shit wumao GagalLand so outdated like braindead

still living in the past dreaming about his root lmao


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You reminded unker of Mahathir

He also dare not face his root

Hope you can become as immortal as him

QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 9 2025, 07:20 PM)
Root ? You 中华老胶will think about OLD root, but I only think about grow NEW root 落地生根, NOT OLD root 落叶归根, sohai 中华老胶 ! LOL !
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Unker already answered your untrue and misleading statement in other thread

Hope you can stop spamming this thread and stay away from the negative energy

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lmao as if you blindly wumao can differentiate good and bad

5000 years of DNA budaya, you share the same shit with CCP scammers and murderer too
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If really true, then good la… no more asml monopoly.
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 9 2025, 07:56 PM)
Unker already answered your untrue and misleading statement in other thread

Hope you can stop spamming this thread and stay away from the negative energy
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why you care about such ppl, they are sad ppl living in their own denial hahaha

these chinese even israeli have given the world more things than these ppl can fathom

ppl are just jealous and bitter lol
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 9 2025, 07:56 PM)
Unker already answered your untrue and misleading statement in other thread

Hope you can stop spamming this thread and stay away from the negative energy
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you didn't answer any shit other that keep saying stay away from the negative CCP energy

i am doing good deed for your CCP tered to get more attention

your wumao fragile heart broken again?



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QUOTE(Matchy @ Mar 9 2025, 07:57 PM)
If really true, then good la… no more asml monopoly.
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yeah. the world seriously need more wafer capacity for those advanced nodes. else, high price due to insufficient supply and high demand. also, to break the monopoly by the West.

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QUOTE(redic @ Mar 9 2025, 07:47 PM)
no wonder this shit wumao GagalLand so outdated like braindead

still living in the past dreaming about his root lmao
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Kecian when people tokok so much about their roots, yet ccp does not acknowledge them as one of their own at all. Lol!

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QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 9 2025, 07:20 PM)
Root ? You 中华老胶will think about OLD root, but I only think about grow NEW root 落地生根, NOT OLD root 落叶归根, sohai 中华老胶 ! LOL !
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Mar 9 2025, 05:16 PM)
sure, pretty confident china copy this from Bharat

Bharat just got rob of their invention
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who cares. whats important is china make it even greater

Ford build 1st car, looks who is biggest car manufacturer today
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QUOTE(MGM @ Mar 9 2025, 05:22 PM)
Aiyah who doesnt copy nowadays, but they also improvise it for the benefits of everyone, worst r those that r incapable of anything.
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Stop spamming other ppl thread and stop insulting 1.4 billions Chinese

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you didn't answer any shit other that keep saying stay away from the negative CCP energy

i am doing good deed for your CCP tered to get more attention

your wumao fragile heart broken again?
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Stop spamming other ppl thread and stop insulting 1.4 billions Chinese
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wumao you sudah makan ubat belum?

can understand BM or not you china mari?


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this is very good news.. now there’s good competition and prices are beneficial to users…. previously, only the dutch company had the ability and equipment.. thus control the entire market, with prodding from US…
let’s gooooo!!!!
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The dutch worst case scenario happening
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Jangan spam kat tered org lagi

Jauhil daripada syaitan

Carilah jalan perdamaian hati anda

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wumao you sudah makan ubat belum?

can understand BM or not you china mari?
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Well at least they branch new tech tree with LDP rather than LPP.
Thank US for sanctioning the chips to be sold to China and forced their hand to develop this.

ASML : You see lah.. instead of relying on us and we get a good sum of money, now they went and do their own thing. It's all your fault US.
US : I was trying to save the world.
Android OS : First time?

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If they really could scale it up and produce good yield, then the game is on.
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QUOTE(judas @ Mar 9 2025, 05:17 PM)
Some people just don't read
Huawei patented this new approach of EUV since 2024

Still AMDK wanna say copy
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Plot twist, it’s part of the core of CCP’s core value.
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This is good for consumers and the world. Monopoly by one company is never good. Once the prc started making it the price will be as cheap as dumplings. 😅
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Plot twist, it’s part of the core of CCP’s core value.
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 9 2025, 08:49 PM)
You reminded unker of Mahathir

He also dare not face his root

Hope you can become as immortal as him
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LOL, you old folk still living in the past dreaming about your old root, I already grow NEW root, why care about OLD root ?
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once upon a time, netherlands has a machine that can draw traces connecting billions of transistors at the same time insulate connections onto a <10nm chip
only 1 exists

not anymore. 2nm is coming muthafackas
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Jangan spam kat tered org lagi

Jauhil daripada syaitan

Carilah jalan perdamaian hati anda
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This is good for consumers and the world. Monopoly by one company is never good. Once the prc started making it the price will be as cheap as dumplings. 😅
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Democracy
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They can't have democracy, the West masterful art of propaganda and regime change is unmatch, the best method is to be closed country from outside influence.

How you expect to beat a country that can print money non stop and spends hundreds of billions on military and propaganda each year?
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https://www.techinasia.com/news/asml-open-r...xport-curbs?amp

Looks like the ASML days are in numbers...
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Are you type c?

Why do you feel ashamed of your root?
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QUOTE(redic @ Mar 9 2025, 07:09 PM)
ya your root been scamming and killing each other , killing own type for over 5000 years

you very proud having scammer and murderer ancestors? 

you bodo or blind? use brain la sohai
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QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 9 2025, 07:20 PM)
Root ? You 中华老胶will think about OLD root, but I only think about grow NEW root 落地生根, NOT OLD root 落叶归根, sohai 中华老胶 ! LOL !
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We are type M aka Malaysian. Chinese root???Heck I dont even know what clan I am🤣🤣🤣
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And yet they cannot copy democracy
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And yet they cannot copy democracy
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Like religions. These are something that Chyna DON'T want to copy
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You don't have to be ashamed of your old root

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LOL, you old folk still living in the past dreaming about your old root,  I already grow NEW root, why care about OLD root ?
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Yes

Unker is Msian

Unker loves MY

Unker is also proud of China, because unker's ancestors origin from there

QUOTE(kesvani @ Mar 9 2025, 09:31 PM)
We are type M aka Malaysian. Chinese root???Heck I dont even know what clan I am🤣🤣🤣
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Some people just don't read
Huawei patented this new approach of EUV since 2024

Still AMDK wanna say copy
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As long its CCP bebuat, what also copy pasta carbonara mate.

You tatau its their keyword in all reply? Same with UK locals towards Chinese in the Yewkay. My wife sudah turning 45 this year, but keluar jejalan chinatown still will get naughty tease from those bois asking how much, then do a wanking sign, machiam they fancy milfs. (I admit la, my waifu is hawt enuf to milfed)
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As long its CCP bebuat, what also copy pasta carbonara mate.

You tatau its their keyword in all reply? Same with UK locals towards Chinese in the Yewkay. My wife sudah turning 45 this year, but keluar jejalan chinatown still will get naughty tease from those bois asking how much, then do a wanking sign, machiam they fancy milfs. (I admit la, my waifu is hawt enuf to milfed)
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Da fudge. Unker no sked your waifu safety?
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China doesnt need democracy, its current system serves the country so well they have leapfroed many countries in many fields. It has successfully eradicate hardcore poverty that is the envy of democratic India n other poor countries.
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They see it coming
Ned not keen to sanction.. but US gave pressure
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This would have happened with or without the sanction.

You think China so good continue to depend on ASML machine?
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deepseek , euv , ne zha ,6th Gen Fighter Jet ,Black Myth: Wukong all happen in the last twelve months. what else ?

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Mar 9 2025, 10:16 PM)
This would have happened with or without the sanction.

You think China so good continue to depend on ASML machine?
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true. but without sanction, they may take their own time to develop it and asml still can earn damn alot from that sales.
now due to sanction, they got to push for development and asml dont get to earn from china ady.
if china euv machine good enough to sell globally, say good bye to asml ady
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true. but without sanction, they may take their own time to develop it and asml still can earn damn alot from that sales.
now due to sanction, they got to push for development and asml dont get to earn from china ady.
if china euv machine good enough to sell globally, say good bye to asml ady
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China also not stupid wan la, they wouldn't have been taking their time to develop it. They know it can be pulled at anytime and they also don't like the dependency.

If anything, sanction slow down their progress a little bit because can't get their hands on latest tech to learn more. Everything else was likely already in R&D.
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You don't have to be ashamed of your old root
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You old folk 中华老胶 so pitiful. You must be unable to face your failed life, still living in the past dreaming about your old root.
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deepseek , euv , ne zha ,6th Gen Fighter Jet ,Black Myth: Wukong all happen in the last twelve months. what else ?
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deepseek much behind CHATGPT ! deepshit stealing from OPENAI and yet not even can match GROK and CLAUDE ! LOL

euv, just have some advancement on the light source, talk cock only ! LOL !

Black Myth: Wukong and ne zha just games and movie, what is so proud ?

6th Gen Fighter Jet, just a Model test flight and no official annoucement, only moron believe it !


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China also not stupid wan la, they wouldn't have been taking their time to develop it. They know it can be pulled at anytime and they also don't like the dependency.

If anything, sanction slow down their progress a little bit because can't get their hands on latest tech to learn more. Everything else was likely already in R&D.
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but surprisingly they are going the other way with different tech than asml.
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Why you feel shameful about the origin place of your ancestors?

QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 9 2025, 10:46 PM)
You old folk 中华老胶 so pitiful. You must be unable to face your failed life, still living in the past dreaming about your old root.
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still better than communist democracy
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Actually no country in the world really practise full democracy. On small things, they can act noble and preach about democracy. When it comes to big things like their national security and survival, they will act exactly lile communist, maybe even worse...
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Malaysia should be no.1 partner for China, just like how Singkie got US, Vietnam got Korea.
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QUOTE(issac99289928 @ Mar 9 2025, 10:18 PM)
deepseek , euv , ne zha ,6th Gen Fighter Jet ,Black Myth: Wukong all happen in the last twelve months. what else ?
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1st tri fold phone last year Feb, fusion reaction record (100M Celsius, not that lower temperature plasma-maintaining record by the French), Xiaomi SU7 Ultra breaks the world record for a four-door sedan on a race track in Nürburgring, Mixue worlds largest chain store,1st landing on far side of moon and retrieving samples, and longest spacewalk.
Also 1st to cure type 2 diabetes in May '24, then Type 1 in Sept'24.

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ok la asml can force US to buy their euv since tsmc gonna invest 100bil usd in murica
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Why you feel shameful about the origin place of your ancestors?
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You old folk 中华老胶 so pitiful still living in the past dreaming about your old root.
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Unker is not

Unker loves MY

Unker is proud to be a Msian

Unker made MY proud of unker before

And unker also proud of the origin country of unker's ancestors too

QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 9 2025, 11:25 PM)
You old folk 中华老胶 so pitiful still living in the past dreaming about your old root.
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As expected

What else China cannot make?
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once upon a time, netherlands has a machine that can draw traces connecting billions of transistors at the same time insulate connections onto a <10nm chip
only 1 exists

not anymore. 2nm is coming muthafackas
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Damn don't understand a single shit....

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Can 7th gen fighter jet be considered UFO level?

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UFO
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QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 9 2025, 11:25 PM)
You old folk 中华老胶 so pitiful still living in the past dreaming about your old root.
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At this point you should ask him if he actually can read or understand what you wrote in Chinese. I suspect he is banana… ironic isn’t it.
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Lol China, dengar dulu percaya jangan, where your 5g self driving car, 5g this 5g that lol, overhyped as fck

Deepseek is commendable but still often unusable and unreliable even if you ignore the censorship, want to use also cannot most of the time
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hnnnghhh suppork for cheap phone and computers in futures
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but surprisingly they are going the other way with different tech than asml.
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Kind of prove my point right, you think they only started this track when kena sanction meh? It was already in the works.

Don't be surprised if there are many different teams doing different approaches. One of them will be a team that's reverse engineering ASML's stuff.

They got lucky their other teams produced results.
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Which companies benefit from this?
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Which companies benefit from this?
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Probably benefit their military the most.
Consumer electronics are very sensitive to cost. New stuff usually give low yield rate which increases production cost.
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All in on Xiaomi, they’ll become the next Apple/Nvidia.
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So many salty about China

But if compare to Malaysia, when can we get such capability? Never...
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china will grow stronger
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So many salty about China

But if compare to Malaysia, when can we get such capability? Never...
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Different goal la how to compare ? Our goal is moving closer to heaven.
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Da fudge. Unker no sked your waifu safety?
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once ditempted ragut. waifu jerk that fokface off his scooter.
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 10 2025, 12:28 AM)
Unker is not

Unker loves MY

Unker is proud to be a Msian

Unker made MY proud of unker before

And unker also proud of the origin country of unker's ancestors too
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You made Malaysia proud before ? Who do you think you are? Just a 大嘴巴!

This is typical 中华老胶 excuses,, the body enjoys democracy and freedom, but the mouth praises the good of communism, say one thing and mean another !

So pitiful still living in the past dreaming about your old root.

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Asml is monopolizing this business now so having a competitor is good.

Trump is the one pushing China to new height, this is a good showcase on how US cant use tariffs to extort country or at least their attempt no longer working.

The more enemies US making using tariff as weapon, the more friends China will have.
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stupid US sanctions just accelerated China's goal instead of showing down


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QUOTE(k!nex @ Mar 10 2025, 12:58 AM)
Probably benefit their military the most.
Consumer electronics are very sensitive to cost. New stuff usually give low yield rate which increases production cost.
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Sanction is the key word..

Even at low yield, China companies are force to buy from local China companies, else will be closed down... The more local China buy local China chips, these companies will have more money to continue on improving on every aspect... The whole supply chain is improving and getting... China market are big enough to sustain this... If US don't kill China semiconductor industry 5 years ago... I don't think they can make this happen now...
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stupid US sanctions just accelerated China's goal instead of showing down
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Deswai trump tengah kissing up to putin so can get russia and US to gangbang china

Kek.
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dem. too much term by brain cannot process.
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Deswai trump tengah kissing up to putin so can get russia and US to gangbang china

Kek.
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Putin won’t be so stupid as he knows Trump is only 4 years and the next president could be democrats back

He will squeeze Trump for benefits but I don’t think he will severe ties with China completely
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UFO
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need to discover unknown laws of physics .
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Cant wait for China to Invent something that the west want to steal
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US is busy stealing China technology at this moment.
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look forward to a commercial fusion reactor known as artificial sun by China.

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Deswai trump tengah kissing up to putin so can get russia and US to gangbang china

Kek.
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better sleep with enemy than a comedian lol
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now that china has their own lithography machines, they have no need for asml's junk right? good lah. now no need to complain cannot get asml stuff jor.

maybe can start throwing away asml's old junk in their fabs as well.
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hope china can produce cheap and good medicine in future.
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QUOTE(redic @ Mar 9 2025, 07:09 PM)
ya your root been scamming and killing each other , killing own type for over 5000 years

you very proud having scammer and murderer ancestors? 

you bodo or blind? use brain la sohai
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QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 9 2025, 07:20 PM)
Root ? You 中华老胶will think about OLD root, but I only think about grow NEW root 落地生根, NOT OLD root 落叶归根, sohai 中华老胶 ! LOL !
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Kecian when people tokok so much about their roots, yet ccp does not acknowledge them as one of their own at all. Lol!
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Wumaos are nothing different compared to western lapdogs. Both sides also admiring their respective masters like slaves.

I have talked to few wumaos in real life, they seem to be very proud that CCP type C are getting richer and richer, eventhough these CCP type C look down on local type C.
I work with bunch of CCP type C, so I know damn well their attitude.

In other words, these wumaos prefer to see CCP type C advance at the expense of local type C.

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QUOTE(redic @ Mar 9 2025, 05:14 PM)
wumao,

u mean what else China cannot copy?
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Everyone copy one another and improve on it.
It’s how civilization works, it’s not like the US never copied to be what they are today.
If everything is copyrighted then we wouldn’t have progress till what we have today and still using horses with carts carrying us around.
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Democracy
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QUOTE(Bananahead @ Mar 10 2025, 10:18 AM)
Wumaos are nothing different compared to western lapdogs. Both sides also admiring their respective masters like slaves.

I have talked to few wumaos in real life, they seem to be very proud that CCP type C are getting richer and richer, eventhough these CCP type C look down on local type C.
I work with bunch of CCP type C, so I know damn well their attitude.

In other words, these wumaos prefer to see CCP type C advance at the expense of local type C.
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Isn't it expected. After all those are having the same nationality and if they get richer, it will contribute to China. As for Chinese in Malaysia, even if they get rich, they will not really contribute to China unless you're super rich like Robert Kuok who invest in China.

There's a lot of misconception about being proud of China. There are a lot of people are proud because the land of their ancestors are no longer the sick man of Asia and no matter how you want to view it, China's status in the world will affect all Chinese in the world regardless of their nationality.

Then there are a lot who say those who say good things about China are brainwashed but in reality, who is actually brainwashed? Sure, China is no democracy, and it has never said it is democracy. It is just that for the past few decades, they have found a system that works very well for them. Is the system without flaws? Definitely no but is it as bad as what the mainstream media report about it?

Like in this case. If China really managed to break the monopoly of the west, is it really a bad thing to us? Is it such a bad thing to the world? Why is this type of achievements being brush aside as mere copycat?

The biggest problem in a lot of forums is people like to label people certain terms just because they don't have the same viewpoint as them. Hence, you get all sorts of labels in forums and a lot of people take it too serious in forums like k. I don't even mind people call me wumao but some people get really agitated when people label them certain terms. After all, why so serious, right?

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So many salty about China

But if compare to Malaysia, when can we get such capability? Never...
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Afterlyfe moar important

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hypocrites US mereka monopoly blh lain tak blh. Need to find way to supply own region rather than depend on other. The tag team really has its own abilities
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Aiyah who doesnt copy nowadays, but they also improvise it for the benefits of everyone, worst r those that r incapable of anything.
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Mau copy pun tak larat , copy also cannot copy betul ,  dare to laughing ppl copy , then their moral kick in say we do not do illegal things this is wrong and is crime lol....
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Mau copy pun tak larat , copy also cannot copy betul ,  dare to laughing ppl copy , then their moral kick in say we do not do illegal things this is wrong and is crime lol....
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the problems is japan, s korea, taiwan also start by copying western. but they didnt voice out their complains. this is really double standard hypocrisy.

Japan copy and becomes successful, omg Japan people and government are so good.
China copy and becomes successful, omg, the china people and the government are evil.

on normal Asia mentality, we dont really care so much about copy, that is why pirated are quite rampant and counterfeit product which is openly selling in petaling street.

Vietnam, india, indonesia, malaysia, thailand also copy too, just not as successful as others.

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Your ancestors must be very upset at you

QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 10 2025, 06:08 AM)
You made Malaysia proud before ? Who do you think you are? Just a 大嘴巴!

This is typical 中华老胶 excuses,, the body enjoys democracy and freedom, but the mouth praises the good of communism, say one thing and mean another !

So pitiful still living in the past dreaming about your old root.
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Isn't it expected. After all those are having the same nationality and if they get richer, it will contribute to China. As for Chinese in Malaysia, even if they get rich, they will not really contribute to China unless you're super rich like Robert Kuok who invest in China.

There's a lot of misconception about being proud of China. There are a lot of people are proud because the land of their ancestors are no longer the sick man of Asia and no matter how you want to view it, China's status in the world will affect all Chinese in the world regardless of their nationality.

Then there are a lot who say those who say good things about China are brainwashed but in reality, who is actually brainwashed? Sure, China is no democracy, and it has never said it is democracy. It is just that for the past few decades, they have found a system that works very well for them. Is the system without flaws? Definitely no but is it as bad as what the mainstream media report about it?

Like in this case. If China really managed to break the monopoly of the west, is it really a bad thing to us? Is it such a bad thing to the world? Why is this type of achievements being brush aside as mere copycat?

The biggest problem in a lot of forums is people like to label people certain terms just because they don't have the same viewpoint as them. Hence, you get all sorts of labels in forums and a lot of people take it too serious in forums like k. I don't even mind people call me wumao but some people get really agitated when people label them certain terms. After all, why so serious, right?
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Everyday propaganda is not the same as having different viewpoint.

U think we cannot see wat wumaos are trying to do here?

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Everyday propaganda is not the same as having different viewpoint.

U think we cannot see wat wumaos are trying to do here?
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It's up to you to believe or not believe

But to people like you everything also wumao propaganda when it comes to China.

And you just proof my point about labelling people whistling.gif

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There are a lot of people are proud because the land of their ancestors are no longer the sick man of Asia
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> Do 20 pushups.
> Lung collapse.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5512223&hl=
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1 person got health problem, the whole country all sick? LOL!

Also, learn what is the meaning of "sick man of Asia" lah.

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It's up to you to believe or not believe

But to people like you everything also wumao propaganda when it comes to China.

And you just proof my point about labelling people  whistling.gif
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I call it as it is so u no need bother trying to be a closet wumao here.

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I call it as it is so u no need bother trying to be a closet wumao here.
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I can play the game too. LOL!
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Also, learn what is the meaning of "sick man of Asia" lah.
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> Wuhan virus.

Inb4, "1 district in China release pandemic virus means whole China release virus meh?"

> SARS-1
> The plague.
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> Wuhan virus.

Inb4, "1 district in China release pandemic virus means whole China release virus meh?"

> SARS-1
> The plague.
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Here come the antivax laugh.gif

The usual suspects are all here and triggered by this news whistling.gif
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Here come the antivax  laugh.gif

The usual suspects are all here and triggered by this news  whistling.gif
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Olang cakap disease, dia cakap beksin.
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 10 2025, 12:43 PM)
Kesian

Your ancestors must be very upset at you
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Kesian, you are still dreaming that you made Malaysia proud before, but in reality you just failed in your life and dreaming about your old root

My ancestors already 落地生根 in Malaysia and yet you still struggling to think about 落叶归根, what a poor guy.

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1 person got health problem, the whole country all sick? LOL!

Also, learn what is the meaning of "sick man of Asia" lah.
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This isn't fist of fury or fist of legend anymore. World is more tolerant, nobody outside of China brings it up in all seriousness. If got it was dispelled in 2008 during the Olympics. Using it to promote Wolf warrior level of patriotism is unnecessary
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Yes AMDK  whistling.gif

I can play the game too. LOL!
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Kecian u already triggered. Topkek!

Call me wat u want, unlike u i dun go propaganda for other countries.

QUOTE(30624770 @ Mar 10 2025, 09:50 AM)
The biggest problem in a lot of forums is people like to label people certain terms just because they don't have the same viewpoint as them. Hence, you get all sorts of labels in forums and a lot of people take it too serious in forums like k. I don't even mind people call me wumao but some people get really agitated when people label them certain terms. After all, why so serious, right?
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Mar 10 2025, 12:00 PM)
This isn't fist of fury or fist of legend anymore. World is more tolerant, nobody outside of China brings it up in all seriousness. If got it was dispelled in 2008 during the Olympics. Using it to promote Wolf warrior level of patriotism is unnecessary
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Only wumao still feel butthurt about "sick man of Asia". biggrin.gif
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Only wumao still feel butthurt about "sick man of Asia". biggrin.gif
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Even fist of legend toned down the portrayal of Japanese. That was 90s. And it subtly critique Chinese mentality of their way of thinking or the old ways of being superior. Jet LIs character was sent to Japan to level up in education, he taught his school mates the importance of physical conditioning on top of just technique. And his Japanese father in law summed it up brilliantly, animals fight to the death, martial artists pursue something deeper. Hell of a show.

And for some reason the messaging in today's films gone backwards from that
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Even fist of legend toned down the portrayal of Japanese. That was 90s. And it subtly critique Chinese mentality of their way of thinking or the old ways of being superior. Jet LIs character was sent to Japan to level up in education, he taught his school mates the importance of physical conditioning on top of just technique. And his Japanese father in law summed it up brilliantly, animals fight to the death, martial artists pursue something deeper. Hell of a show.

And for some reason the messaging in today's films gone backwards from that
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Movie is movie.

IRL kena whacked by Bharatians with sticks. biggrin.gif
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Lol

Kesian that you didn't have any contribution to MY

落地生根 makes you 忘本?

落地生根 makes you feel disgusting of your old root?

可怜呀

QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 10 2025, 11:59 AM)
Kesian, you are still dreaming that you made Malaysia proud before, but in reality you just failed in your life and dreaming about your old root

My ancestors already 落地生根 in Malaysia and yet you still struggling to think about 落叶归根, what a poor guy.
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Lol

Kesian that you didn't have any contribution to MY

落地生根 makes you 忘本?

落地生根 makes you feel disgusting of your old root?

可怜呀
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Kesian big mouth 中华胶, what is your contribution to MY ? LOL !

落地生根 at least it makes me a real Malaysian and contribute a little to the construction industry, not like you still with 落叶归根 mind set, poor guy !

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Movie is movie.

IRL kena whacked by Bharatians with sticks.  biggrin.gif
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Tiu I know la.

Making a point that fist of legend the remake of fist of fury also tone down on the nationalism. And it was made in the 90s mind you

Ps I don't understand why they never tech up the kashmir clashes with full riot gear and baton. I get why they use sticks to deescalate but won't padded riot gear give you an advantage and still be within the rules
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Tiu I know la.

Making a point that fist of legend the remake of fist of fury also tone down on the nationalism. And it was made in the 90s mind you

Ps I don't understand why they never tech up the kashmir clashes with full riot gear and baton. I get why they use sticks to deescalate but won't padded riot gear give you an advantage and still be within the rules
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Fist of Fury and Fist of Legend were Hong Kong movies.

Both armies are underfunded la.
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Sorry that unker can't unveil true identity here

Anyway, you don't have to be ashamed of your old root while being a MY patriot

Construction? Now unker understands why you hated China so much.

QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 10 2025, 12:25 PM)
Kesian big mouth 中华胶,  what is your contribution to MY ? LOL !

落地生根 at least it makes me a real Malaysian and contribute a little to the construction industry, not like you still with 落叶归根 mind set, poor guy !
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Sorry that unker can't unveil true identity here

Anyway, you don't have to be ashamed of your old root while being a MY patriot

Construction? Now unker understands why you hated China so much.
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LOL, can't unveil ? means you are nothing and just a big mouth 中华胶 with no contribution to MY

I hate communism, it has nothing to do with my job, poor people's mentality!

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Unker feels you

Stay strong

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LOL, can't unveil ? means you are nothing and just a big mouth 中华胶 with no contribution to MY

I hate communism, it has nothing to do with my job, poor people's mentality!
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Unker feels you

Stay strong
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I'm staying strong, don't worry, btw my actual job is a rocket scientist like Elon Musk but I can't reveal my name, does it sound familiar? LOL !

Unlike you, who is just a big mouth 中华胶 and contributes nothing to MY.

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Stay strong

Your ancestors will be proud of you one day

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I'm staying strong, don't worry, btw my actual job is a rocket scientist like Elon Musk but I can't reveal my name, does it sound familiar? LOL !
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Stay strong, ts

Your ancestors will be proud of you one day
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My ancestors already 落地生根 in Malaysia and always proud of me, unlike you contribute nothing to MY, your ancestors must be ashamed of you.
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Mar 9 2025, 04:42 PM)
DeepSeek Moment for Lithography  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif





The LDP approach by China is simpler, smaller, more cost-effective and better energy efficiency.

https://www.techpowerup.com/333801/china-de...poly-in-trouble

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ashutosh-k-3...874267136-b2AG/
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If successful, will be game changer for China 🇨🇳
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Like that you don't have to be ashamed of your old root at all

Stay strong

QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 10 2025, 12:53 PM)
My ancestors already 落地生根 in Malaysia and always proud of me, unlike you contribute nothing to MY, your ancestors must be ashamed of you.
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If successful, will be game changer for China 🇨🇳
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Read full news la, just have some advancement in EUV LIGHT SOURCE in the lab, what is so big deal?

By the time they can get it, ASML already reach < 0.5nm ! You think ASML stand there and let CCP "punch" their face and do nothing meh, LOL
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Like that you don't have to be ashamed of your old root at all

Stay strong
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I am never ashamed of my ancestors who already 落地生根 in Malaysia, and yet my ancestors are very proud of me.

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Most of the pages contributed by wumaos and amdk. Lol
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wumao,

u mean what else China cannot copy?
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I can ask you the same thing. Your kind of people can make what?

At least they are making progress be it copying but I believe they are making incremental improvements.
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everytime topic like this is like a rude awakening to these anti china brigades..like the soul being crushed more and more looking at such news lol

gonna be sucksessful or not no idea..is chainah best country also no i mean i lup western democrazy lol but one thing for sure they are advancing at a fast rate its scary what they can make these days
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Good

Your ancestors of your ancestors will be proud of you too

QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 10 2025, 01:06 PM)
I am never ashamed of my ancestors who already 落地生根 in Malaysia, and yet my ancestors are very proud of me.
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They can't have democracy, the West masterful art of propaganda and regime change is unmatch, the best method is to be closed country from outside influence.

How you expect to beat a country that can print money non stop and spends hundreds of billions on military and propaganda each year?
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They do have it in a way. but just that they do it behind closed doors, you can see the in fighting within the party, if you are see past the image they project. Although, ccp may seems like a party, but actually they have a few faction, each faction is bigger thann umno itself. Like pkr also have like different faction.

Looking at history, all the previous leaders, deng, jiang , hu , and currently xi all came from different faction. so techinically, the power already switch power peacefully from 1 faction to another 1 thru out history. this is sort of like democracy in a way.

the most important thing to the chinese in china is stability. and can cari makan. that is the reason why if you speak the the people there, huge majority of them does really support their government, not because of brainwash or propoganda. You can also see from many china citizen that studied oversea in US, Aus, UK, they have been educated in western education and society, but still huge majority of them does support their government.

Look at the chinese in malaysia, majority dont really care who is the government , as long as they can cari makan.


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They do have it in a way. but just that they do it behind closed doors, you can see the in fighting within the party, if you are see past the image they project. Although, ccp may seems like a party, but actually they have a few faction, each faction is bigger thann umno itself. Like pkr also have like different faction.

Looking at history, all the previous leaders, deng, jiang , hu , and currently xi all came from different faction. so techinically, the power already switch power peacefully  from 1 faction to another 1 thru out history. this is sort of like democracy in a way.

the most important thing to the chinese in china is stability. and can cari makan. that is the reason why if you speak the the people there, huge majority of them does really support their government, not because of brainwash or propoganda.  You can also see from many china citizen that studied oversea in US, Aus, UK, they have been educated in western education and society, but still huge majority of them does support their government.

Look at the chinese in malaysia, majority dont really care who is the government , as long as they can cari makan.
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To some people, democracy and freedom of speech is everything.

However, democracy in most countries is just an illusion and even freedom of speech is not really freedom of speech.

There is no perfect system in the world.

China has found a system that works for them.

Is it perfect? definitely no but the government definitely much more effective than a lot of countries.

At the minimum, the government is getting things done and not hampered by in fighting.


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Good

Your ancestors of your ancestors will be proud of you too
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Sure good la, my ancestors who already 落地生根 in Malaysia are very proud of me.

Unlike you, no contribution to MY and still dreaming of old root.

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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Mar 9 2025, 04:42 PM)
DeepSeek Moment for Lithography  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif





The LDP approach by China is simpler, smaller, more cost-effective and better energy efficiency.

https://www.techpowerup.com/333801/china-de...poly-in-trouble

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ashutosh-k-3...874267136-b2AG/
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"The proof is in the pudding."

"Do not count your chickens before they are hatched."


Fyi, .......

https://www.powerelectronicsnews.com/china-...graphy-systems/ - China Invests €37 Billion to Develop Domestic EUV Lithography Systems
February 11, 2025, Stefano Lovati
EUV (Extreme Ultraviolet) lithography systems play a vital role in semiconductor manufacturing, facilitating the creation of smaller, more powerful, and energy-efficient chips.

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Academia has also joined the race. The Harbin Institute of Technology recently proposed an alternative approach to generating EUV light, distinct from Western methods. The institute’s project, led by Professor Zhao Yongpeng, focuses on a discharge-induced plasma EUV source with a central wavelength of 13.5 nanometers. ...

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China’s challenges in breaking ASML’s monopoly

Despite China’s €37 billion investment, it is unlikely to produce commercially viable 13.5 nm EUV lithography machines within a few years. ASML operates as a system integrator, relying on an ecosystem of cutting-edge intellectual property and components, the vast majority of which come from Western suppliers with decades of expertise. Moreover, beyond the core light source system, producing a complete lithography machine also demands high-precision components like mirrors.

Additionally, research efforts continue to focus on improving energy efficiency
, an area where recent breakthroughs promise substantial gains. Professor Tsumoru Shintake from the Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology (OIST) has proposed an EUV technology that could reduce energy consumption by 90%. ASML, too, has introduced significant upgrades to improve both efficiency and productivity in its systems. ...


Let's wait-and-see what Huawei comes out with in Q3 2025, wrt Harbin's proposed EUV trials.

Remember, proposals do not always end up in marriage. biggrin.gif
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Based on your logic

You have no true contribution to MY too since you can't unveil your true identity nd contribution here

Anyway, you don't have to be ashamed of your old root at sll

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Sure good la, my ancestors who already 落地生根 in Malaysia are very proud of me.

Unlike you, no contribution to MY and still dreaming of old root.
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The LDP approach by China is simpler, smaller, more cost-effective and better energy efficiency.

https://www.techpowerup.com/333801/china-de...poly-in-trouble

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ashutosh-k-3...874267136-b2AG/
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Why is Huawei doing this, and not Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation (SMIC).? Strange, no.? .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor...nal_Corporation
Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation (SMIC) is a partially state-owned publicly listed Chinese pure-play semiconductor foundry company. It is the largest contract chip maker in mainland China. ...
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QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 10 2025, 12:38 PM)
LOL, can't unveil ? means you are nothing and just a big mouth 中华胶 with no contribution to MY

I hate communism, it has nothing to do with my job, poor people's mentality!
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you cannot comprehend economics 101 . do shopee ,lazada or huawei practise communism ? I seriously doubt you can understand technological stuff also.

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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 10 2025, 03:00 PM)
Based on your logic

You have no true contribution to MY too since you can't unveil your true identity nd contribution here

Anyway, you don't have to be ashamed of your old root at sll
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Typical wumao reply, you are the one who at the begining said Malaysia proud of you but you can't prove it so you are just a big mouth and shameless !

My ancestors who already 落地生根 in Malaysia are very proud of me because I grow NEW root in MY ! You 中华胶 is the one who dreaming of old root

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QUOTE(issac99289928 @ Mar 10 2025, 03:40 PM)
you cannot comprehend economics 101 . do shopee ,lazada  or huawei practise communism ? I seriously doubt you can understand technological stuff also.
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Who care your shopee ,lazada or huawei ? I never use it, you are the one who can't understand technological stuff LOL
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Who care your shopee ,lazada  or huawei ? I never use it, you are the one who can't understand technological stuff LOL
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you are an ignorant fuxk.
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you are an ignorant fuxk.
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Who care ? What can you do to me? ?

You are an ignorant fuxk, WUMAO ! !

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Stay strong

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everyday copy paste of your wumao answer?
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 10 2025, 01:01 PM)
Like that you don't have to be ashamed of your old root at all

Stay strong
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no wonder this world full of chaos and wars

it's because the shit brain of yours keep remembering the roots, the history and hatreds

you outdated brainless wumao please stop adding more problems to this world, go back to your tongsan live inside your CCP wall


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Typical wumao reply, you are the one who at the begining said Malaysia proud of you but you can't prove it so you are just a big mouth and shameless !
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No matter how you dislike the ancestors of your ancestors, they were still your ancestors and they won't be ashamed of you

QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 10 2025, 02:56 PM)
My ancestors who already 落地生根 in Malaysia are very proud of me because I grow NEW root in MY ! You 中华胶 is  the one who dreaming of old root
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QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 10 2025, 02:56 PM)
Typical wumao reply, you are the one who at the begining said Malaysia proud of you but you can't prove it so you are just a big mouth and shameless !

My ancestors who already 落地生根 in Malaysia are very proud of me because I grow NEW root in MY ! You 中华胶 is  the one who dreaming of old root
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he dreamt of his ancestors and CCP everyday

but he still not going back tongsan to help CCP take back Taiwan and attack Japan

GagalLand sei sohai get a life, still everyday dream about your ancestor, roots and the past? you very old near to see them is it?

kesian wumao


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Pot calling kettle black
No matter how you dislike the ancestors of your ancestors, they were still your ancestors and they won't be ashamed of you
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WUMAO, I like my ancestors, they already 落地生根 in Malaysia and very proud of me because I grow NEW root in MY !

Unlike you, just a big mouth and think MY proud of you , in fact, you have not contributed anything! Haha!

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QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 10 2025, 04:04 PM)
WUMAO, I like my ancestors, they already 落地生根 in Malaysia and very proud of me because I grow NEW root in MY !

Unlike you, just a big mouth and think MY proud of you , in fact, you have not contributed anything! Haha!
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QUOTE(redic @ Mar 10 2025, 04:47 PM)
he dreamt of his ancestors and CCP everyday

but he still not going back tongsan to help CCP take back Taiwan and attack Japan

GagalLand sei sohai get a life, still everyday dream about your ancestor, roots and the past? you very old near to see them is it?

kesian wumao
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This old folk just day and night dreaming of old root, in fact, he is living miserably but can't go back to tongsan !
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QUOTE(James8899 @ Mar 10 2025, 04:11 PM)
This old folk just day and night dreaming of old root, in fact, he is living miserably but can't go back to tongsan !
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A lot of people don't know about hukou system. Especially youngsters. If not our grandfather's leave the motherland, most of us become foxcon factory work at best.
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Mar 10 2025, 12:41 AM)
Kind of prove my point right, you think they only started this track when kena sanction meh? It was already in the works.

Don't be surprised if there are many different teams doing different approaches. One of them will be a team that's reverse engineering ASML's stuff.

They got lucky their other teams produced results.
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just a discussion. i didnt said u were wrong. no need to be so defensive 😅
i did agreed with you that it was in the work even before sanction im just saying getting blocked from the access pushed the progress in turbo mode.

considering they already got a working product based on asml tech, one would assume it would be easier to reverse engineer than to push for a different approach.

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Poor guy, are you talking about yourself?

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A lot of people don't know about hukou system. Especially youngsters. If not our grandfather's leave the motherland, most of us become foxcon factory work at best.
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There are pros and cons to the hukou system

It's not all bad as people don't understand the problem of China having a huge population

Even with hukou system, we already have megacities like Shanghai where its population is about 75% of total population of Malaysia.
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Good to know you are a pot/kettle too
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good to know you are a BLACK POT/KETTLE !
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To some people, democracy and freedom of speech is everything.

However, democracy in most countries is just an illusion and even freedom of speech is not really freedom of speech.

There is no perfect system in the world.

China has found a system that works for them.

Is it perfect? definitely no but the government definitely much more effective than a lot of countries.

At the minimum, the government is getting things done and not hampered by in fighting.
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similarly, Vance also critic all the EU country regarding freedom of speech. during the protest in UK, a lot of people also are arrested due to facebook comments. one of the case i remember is 4-5 years for a facebook post, for a non violence post.

If china people think their system works for them and are happy with it, who are outsider to comment on this?

in fighting does happen within the CCP, just much more subtle. Quite fascinating, if you know where to look for it, the previous leader or current leader will write something in a state media column, saying some thing like a piece of memory with his mother, but actually it was condemn to some of xi actions.

actually xi was almost had to step down after his response for covid, but in the end, he won. not many knows about this.

but currently due to xi is consolidating more power, CCP is actually on uncharted water, so we will see how things goes if the system can correct itself.

Thru out the history, it shows that the system is working, because you dont see a leader passing on his power or influence to his son or daughters.

which is weird btw, the one of reason democracy exist is to stop monarch system which is a man of power passing on his power to his son, but you can find many examples of this happen in democracy system, even in malaysia, singapore, phillipines, US, the worst is sri lanka, which the brother, sister, nephew , son, son in law all held post as minister in the government.

for freedom of speech, you can condemn the government, the government actually takes in feedback from the public very frequently. CCP place high priority to survey done by local institution and foreign institution on satisfaction level and comments for local government and central government all year round. All the survey are taken in without siding to neither side of narrative, because each factions can use the result of the survey as a weapon to fight other faction.


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similarly, Vance also critic all the EU country regarding freedom of speech. during the protest in UK, a lot of people also are arrested due to facebook comments. one of the case i remember is 4-5 years for a facebook post, for a non violence post.

If china people think their system works for them and are happy with it, who are outsider to comment on this?

in fighting does happen within the CCP, just much more subtle. Quite fascinating, if you know where to look for it, the previous leader or current leader will write something in a state media column, saying some thing like a piece of memory with his mother, but actually it was condemn to some of xi actions. 

actually xi was almost had to step down after his response for covid, but in the end, he won. not many knows about this.

but currently due to xi is consolidating more power, CCP is actually on uncharted water, so we will see how things goes if the system can correct itself.

Thru out the history, it shows that the system is working, because you dont see a leader passing on his power or influence to his son or daughters. 

which is weird btw, the one of reason democracy exist is to stop monarch system which is a man of power passing on his power to his son, but you can find many examples of this happen in democracy system, even in malaysia, singapore, phillipines, US, the worst is sri lanka, which the brother, sister, nephew , son, son in law all held post as minister in the government.

for freedom of speech, you can condemn the government, the government actually takes in feedback from the public very frequently. CCP place high priority to survey done by local institution and foreign institution on satisfaction level and comments for local government and central government all year round. All the survey are taken in without siding to neither side of narrative, because each factions can use the result of the survey as a weapon to fight other faction.
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It's actually not uncharted waters. It happened before during Deng time
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A lot of people don't know about hukou system. Especially youngsters. If not our grandfather's leave the motherland, most of us become foxcon factory work at best.
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yes, previously hukou system was very restrictive, does hinders some of the development is the old times.
but the government actually make a lot of changes thru out history, and now if you have a rural hukou, it is much more valuable than urban hukou nowadays. The government system is very dynamic, and a lot of changes has been taken place, which is one of the main reason why you can start to see some kind of innovation taken place.

In previous year, each city will release a certain quota on which you can change your rural hukou to urban hukou, in the past usually all the quota will be snatched up, but these recent years, all the quota for urban hukou are not filled up, because rural hukou more value nowadays due to rural hukou, the government will give out lands, which if there is development, you can get a compensation.

if you look at ali baba, ma yun also started out as a poor teacher.
huawei first office was actually in an small apartment, because ren zeng fei, could not afford to rent an office.

bytedance owner also comes from a normal family background.

Lei Jun of xiaomi was born on 16 December 1969 in the city of Xiantao, Hubei, China. Both of his parents were teachers, which was a disgraced profession after the Cultural Revolution;[3] his father made $7 per month.

to see if a country is more corrupt than others, one of the metric that i use is look at the top 10 richest people in that particular country. If that country top 10 is mostly comes from real estate (which you need to get cheap lands from government), or telco (which you need to get special licence from government), oil & gas (which you need to get licence from government), which means that country is quite corrupt.
comparably you can look at US top 10.
Elon Musk: $244 billion, wealth from Tesla and SpaceX
Jeff Bezos: $197 billion, wealth from Amazon
Mark Zuckerberg: $181 billion, wealth from Meta
Larry Ellison: $175 billion, wealth from Oracle
Warren Buffett: $150 billion, wealth from Berkshire Hathaway
Larry Page: $136 billion, wealth from Alphabet
Sergey Brin: $130 billion, wealth from Alphabet
Steve Ballmer: $123 billion, wealth from Microsoft
Bill Gates: $107 billion, wealth from Microsoft
Michael Bloomberg: $105 billion, wealth from Bloomberg L.P.

china top 10
Zhong Shanshan: $50.8 billion nong fu
Ma Huateng: $46.8 billion wechat
Zhang Yiming: $45.6 billion bytedance
Colin Huang: $43.9 billion PDD
Robin Zeng: $37.1 billion CATL
He Xiangjian: $28.6 billion Midea
William Ding: $27.4 billion netease
Jack Ma: $25.2 billion ali baba
Wang Chuanfu: $22.8 billion BYD
Lei Jun: $19.9 billion xiaomi

India top 10
1 Mukesh Ambani Increase 116 billion Reliance Industries Oil & gas, telco
2 Gautam Adani Increase 84 billion Adani Group Port operator, power
3 Shiv Nadar Increase 36.9 billion HCL Technologies IT services and consulting
4 Savitri Jindal Increase 33.5 billion JSW Group (previously was minister in india)
5 Dilip Shanghvi Increase 26.7 billion Sun Pharmaceutical Industries Pharmaceuticals
6 Cyrus Poonawalla Decrease 21.3 billion Serum Institute of India Vaccines
7 Kushal Pal Singh Increase 20.9 billion DLF Real estate
8 Kumar Mangalam Birla Increase 19.7 billion Aditya Birla Group Textiles, telco, cement
9 Radhakishan Damani Increase 17.6 billion Avenue Supermarts, DMart Investments, retail
10 Lakshmi Mittal Decrease 16.4 billion ArcelorMittal Steel

mexico top 10
Carlos Slim - US$93.0 billion - Telco
Germán Larrea Mota-Velasco - US$26.6 billion - Mining
Ricardo Salinas Pliego - US$10.9 billion -Telco
Daniel Servitje - US$7.7 billion - food processing
Alejandro Baillères - US$6.9 billion - insurance
Olegario Vázquez Aldir - US$6.4 billion - hotels, media
María Asunción Aramburuzabala - US$6.2 billion - Grupo Modelo
Eva Gonda de Rivera - US$5.8 billion - FEMSA
Juan Domingo Beckmann - US$4.5 billion - José Cuervo
Jerónimo Arango - US$4.4 billion - Walmart de México y Centroamérica

if you notice that the top 10 richest in US and China, is fairly similar. none of them are in the industry where you need a special licence from the government which a normal people cant get access to.

Can a normal person open a telco company and get telco license from government without some connection?

if you look at the list even India billionaire are richer than china billionaire, while china gdp is 5 times of india gdp.

China and US billionaire are quite young compare to other countries.



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A lot of people don't know about hukou system. Especially youngsters. If not our grandfather's leave the motherland, most of us become foxcon factory work at best.
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Thanks for the insight. never knew about this
fitst glance kinda alike to kaste system
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In China, hukou is inherited from one's parents, and after reaching adulthood, individuals can move their hukou to a different location if they meet the local hukou move-in policy, depending on factors such as income, education, and property ownership. Therefore, hukou is closely related to residents' economic status. In Xi'an, the ‘village in the city’ (also called chengzhongcun) significantly addressed the housing problem for non-local hukou residents by offering very cheap rent (Li, 2018). For example, In Xi'an, in 2009, all non-local hukou residents, 2.4 million, living in village in the city (Wang and Li, 2014). According to “Rental monitoring report for 40 key cities nationwide”, the average monthly rent per house in Xi'an's commercial residential areas was 2144 yuan, accounting for 61% of the per capita disposable income per person. Non-local hukou holders may struggle to afford this due to their lower average incomes compared with local hukou holders. Therefore, this study considers all villages in the city as non-local hukou residents' communities in Xi'an, while the remaining communities are regarded as local hukou residents' communities..

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yes, previously hukou system was very restrictive, does hinders some of the development is the old times.
but the government actually make a lot of changes thru out history, and now if you have a rural hukou, it is much more valuable than urban hukou nowadays. The government system is very dynamic, and a lot of changes has been taken place, which is one of the main reason why you can start to see some kind of innovation taken place.

In previous year, each city will release a certain quota on which you can change your rural hukou to urban hukou, in the past usually all the quota will be snatched up, but these recent years, all the quota for urban hukou are not filled up, because rural hukou more value nowadays due to rural hukou, the government will give out lands, which if there is development, you can get a compensation.

if you look at ali baba, ma yun also started out as a poor teacher.
huawei first office was actually in an small apartment, because ren zeng fei, could not afford to rent an office.

bytedance owner also comes from a normal family background.

Lei Jun of xiaomi was born on 16 December 1969 in the city of Xiantao, Hubei, China. Both of his parents were teachers, which was a disgraced profession after the Cultural Revolution;[3] his father made $7 per month.
Your news source please for your assertion that rural hukou is now more valuable than urban hukou in CCP China.

My news source, .......

https://content-static.cctvnews.cctv.com/sn...E7_679367556312 - Google Translated: News 1+1丨How to take the household registration system reform a step further?
- 2022-07-13

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Point-based settlement in megacities with a permanent urban population of more than 5 million

The proportion of social security payment years and residence years in the points should be greatly increased.


Lu Ming, Executive Dean of the China Development Institute of Shanghai Jiao Tong University: The point-based settlement system in some big cities used to have many criteria, such as the number of years you actually lived in the local area, the number of years you paid social security in the local area, and another very important factor for point-based settlement, which is your education level. Due to this traditional point-based settlement system, for some people who do not have a very high education level, but have actually lived and worked in a city for a long time, have an urgent need to become citizens, but do not have a local urban household registration and cannot obtain equal local public service treatment, it actually constitutes differentiated treatment. From the perspective of the current reform direction, considering that the number of such people is very large and the demand for urbanization is very strong, it is emphasized that in the future point-based settlement system, the weight of the actual years of residence and social security payment years should be gradually increased, and the requirements for other point-based settlement conditions should be reduced accordingly. In fact, the requirements for education level should be lowered, which is a major benefit for those groups with not very high education levels.

Encourage the removal of annual quota restrictions on settlement

Lu Ming, Executive Dean of the China Development Institute of Shanghai Jiao Tong University: The current point-based settlement system is actually superimposed with a quota allocation system. That is to say, under the existing system, it does not mean that you can settle down immediately after reaching the points, but it means that there is a quota. For example, if there are 100 people in a city who meet the conditions for point-based settlement, but the local government only gives 10 people a quota due to limited public service resources, then the quota is actually very scarce now. This document proposes to gradually encourage everyone to cancel the quota setting, and the system will be very clear. If you reach a certain number of years of social security payment or actual years of residence in the future in the point-based settlement system, as long as you reach a certain score, ideally, you can settle down immediately without quota restrictions. This will also greatly accelerate the process of urbanization of foreign population, especially for those who have lived in a city for a long time and have actually paid social security for a very long time, their settlement process can be greatly accelerated. ...


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to see if a country is more corrupt than others, one of the metric that i use is look at the top 10 richest people in that particular country. If that country top 10 is mostly comes from real estate (which you need to get cheap lands from government), or telco (which you need to get special licence from government), oil & gas (which you need to get licence from government), which means that country is quite corrupt.
comparably you can look at US top 10.
Elon Musk: $244 billion, wealth from Tesla and SpaceX
Jeff Bezos: $197 billion, wealth from Amazon
Mark Zuckerberg: $181 billion, wealth from Meta
Larry Ellison: $175 billion, wealth from Oracle
Warren Buffett: $150 billion, wealth from Berkshire Hathaway
Larry Page: $136 billion, wealth from Alphabet
Sergey Brin: $130 billion, wealth from Alphabet
Steve Ballmer: $123 billion, wealth from Microsoft
Bill Gates: $107 billion, wealth from Microsoft
Michael Bloomberg: $105 billion, wealth from Bloomberg L.P.

china top 10
Zhong Shanshan: $50.8 billion nong fu
Ma Huateng: $46.8 billion wechat
Zhang Yiming: $45.6 billion bytedance
Colin Huang: $43.9 billion  PDD
Robin Zeng: $37.1 billion  CATL
He Xiangjian: $28.6 billion  Midea
William Ding: $27.4 billion  netease
Jack Ma: $25.2 billion ali baba
Wang Chuanfu: $22.8 billion  BYD
Lei Jun: $19.9 billion  xiaomi

India top 10
1      Mukesh Ambani Increase 116 billion Reliance Industries Oil & gas, telco
2 Gautam Adani Increase 84 billion Adani Group Port operator, power
3 Shiv Nadar Increase 36.9 billion HCL Technologies IT services and consulting
4 Savitri Jindal Increase 33.5 billion JSW Group (previously was minister in india)
5 Dilip Shanghvi Increase 26.7 billion Sun Pharmaceutical Industries Pharmaceuticals
6 Cyrus Poonawalla Decrease 21.3 billion Serum Institute of India Vaccines
7 Kushal Pal Singh Increase 20.9 billion DLF Real estate
8 Kumar Mangalam Birla Increase 19.7 billion Aditya Birla Group Textiles, telco, cement
9 Radhakishan Damani Increase 17.6 billion Avenue Supermarts, DMart Investments, retail
10 Lakshmi Mittal Decrease 16.4 billion ArcelorMittal Steel

mexico top 10
Carlos Slim - US$93.0 billion - Telco
Germán Larrea Mota-Velasco - US$26.6 billion - Mining
Ricardo Salinas Pliego - US$10.9 billion -Telco
Daniel Servitje - US$7.7 billion - food processing
Alejandro Baillères - US$6.9 billion - insurance
Olegario Vázquez Aldir - US$6.4 billion - hotels, media
María Asunción Aramburuzabala - US$6.2 billion - Grupo Modelo
Eva Gonda de Rivera - US$5.8 billion - FEMSA
Juan Domingo Beckmann - US$4.5 billion - José Cuervo
Jerónimo Arango - US$4.4 billion - Walmart de México y Centroamérica

if you notice that the top 10 richest in US and China, is fairly similar. none of them are in the industry where you need a special licence from the government which a normal people cant get access to.

Can a normal person open a telco company and get telco license from government without some connection?

if you look at the list even India billionaire are richer than china billionaire, while china gdp is 5 times of india gdp.

China and US billionaire are quite young compare to other countries.
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AFAIK, nearly ALL those who became top billionaires in China have close ties with CCP China, eg .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Huateng - Tencent/Wechat
Politics

According to the official Tencent website, Ma is a deputy to the 5th Shenzhen Municipal People's Congress and served in the 12th National People's Congress.

Speaking of censorship at a technology conference in Singapore, Ma was quoted as saying: "In terms of information security management, online companies from any country must abide by a defined set of criteria, and act responsibly. Otherwise it might lead to hearsay, libel and argument among citizens—not to mention between countries. That's why the need for online management is increasingly urgent."

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren_Zhengfei - Huawei
... his elder brother became a member of the CCP in 1958 ...

In 1974, in order to build for industrial modernization, he established Liaoyang Petrochemical Fiber General Factory in Liaoyang.

In the same year, Ren was drafted into the army and joined the 22nd detachment of the Infrastructure Engineering Corps of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA). He served as a technician and engineer, working on automation processes in the chemical industry. While serving in the PLA, Ren extensively studied Mao Zedong's writings, particularly Quotations of Chairman Mao and Selected Works of Mao Zedong.:  He received several awards for his proficiency and excellence in Maoist theory. 

In March 1978, 33-year-old Ren went to Beijing to attend the National Science Conference, which was attended by more than 6000 delegates. The same year, Ren joined the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). ...


= no person in China can become very rich businessmen without strong political connections to the CCP, ie guanxi = 关系 .
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Your news source please for your assertion that rural hukou is now more valuable than urban hukou in CCP China.

My news source, .......

https://content-static.cctvnews.cctv.com/sn...E7_679367556312 - Google Translated: News 1+1丨How to take the household registration system reform a step further?
- 2022-07-13

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Point-based settlement in megacities with a permanent urban population of more than 5 million

The proportion of social security payment years and residence years in the points should be greatly increased.


Lu Ming, Executive Dean of the China Development Institute of Shanghai Jiao Tong University: The point-based settlement system in some big cities used to have many criteria, such as the number of years you actually lived in the local area, the number of years you paid social security in the local area, and another very important factor for point-based settlement, which is your education level. Due to this traditional point-based settlement system, for some people who do not have a very high education level, but have actually lived and worked in a city for a long time, have an urgent need to become citizens, but do not have a local urban household registration and cannot obtain equal local public service treatment, it actually constitutes differentiated treatment. From the perspective of the current reform direction, considering that the number of such people is very large and the demand for urbanization is very strong, it is emphasized that in the future point-based settlement system, the weight of the actual years of residence and social security payment years should be gradually increased, and the requirements for other point-based settlement conditions should be reduced accordingly. In fact, the requirements for education level should be lowered, which is a major benefit for those groups with not very high education levels.

Encourage the removal of annual quota restrictions on settlement

Lu Ming, Executive Dean of the China Development Institute of Shanghai Jiao Tong University: The current point-based settlement system is actually superimposed with a quota allocation system. That is to say, under the existing system, it does not mean that you can settle down immediately after reaching the points, but it means that there is a quota. For example, if there are 100 people in a city who meet the conditions for point-based settlement, but the local government only gives 10 people a quota due to limited public service resources, then the quota is actually very scarce now. This document proposes to gradually encourage everyone to cancel the quota setting, and the system will be very clear. If you reach a certain number of years of social security payment or actual years of residence in the future in the point-based settlement system, as long as you reach a certain score, ideally, you can settle down immediately without quota restrictions. This will also greatly accelerate the process of urbanization of foreign population, especially for those who have lived in a city for a long time and have actually paid social security for a very long time, their settlement process can be greatly accelerated. ...


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AFAIK, nearly ALL those who became top billionaires in China have close ties with CCP China, eg .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Huateng - Tencent/Wechat
Politics

According to the official Tencent website, Ma is a deputy to the 5th Shenzhen Municipal People's Congress and served in the 12th National People's Congress.

Speaking of censorship at a technology conference in Singapore, Ma was quoted as saying: "In terms of information security management, online companies from any country must abide by a defined set of criteria, and act responsibly. Otherwise it might lead to hearsay, libel and argument among citizens—not to mention between countries. That's why the need for online management is increasingly urgent."

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren_Zhengfei - Huawei
... his elder brother became a member of the CCP in 1958 ...

In 1974, in order to build for industrial modernization, he established Liaoyang Petrochemical Fiber General Factory in Liaoyang.

In the same year, Ren was drafted into the army and joined the 22nd detachment of the Infrastructure Engineering Corps of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA). He served as a technician and engineer, working on automation processes in the chemical industry. While serving in the PLA, Ren extensively studied Mao Zedong's writings, particularly Quotations of Chairman Mao and Selected Works of Mao Zedong.:  He received several awards for his proficiency and excellence in Maoist theory. 

In March 1978, 33-year-old Ren went to Beijing to attend the National Science Conference, which was attended by more than 6000 delegates. The same year, Ren joined the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). ...


= no person in China can become very rich businessmen without strong political connections to the CCP, ie guanxi = 关系 .
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the ccp like to elect a business man once he or she becomes successful in the his field, ccp view this as he/she is expert in that field, therefore his/her view will is much more valueble because of his/her insight. similarly jackie chan is also ccp elected member due to his success in entertainment industry. so government will take their view more seriously. They dont become ccp elected member first before this. so their success in the first place was not due to connection with ccp. which is similar like what a think tank does, many government around the world would assembly successful business people and get their insight and views. this is not something rare. so does they have special power within the party, no, as you can see from previous leaders and the politburo, normally are people had been in the political field/government.

Ren was in an army as the technician, and he retired from army. similarly as a US veteren that had been retired, let say he start a business from scratch, and later become successful in his business. Can i just ignore his effort, and just mentioned ohh, he is linked with the government , because he was a retired veteren, that is why he is so successful?

Ren went thru stages, i remember there was a period in time where he was not doing very well, in business, and he had to sell fire extinguisher, simply because there is not enough sales and profits to maintain the company.

if he was government linked in the first place, shouldnt he be able to at least get millions worth of government project first even with 2 dollar pay up capital and with no experience. then he would be able to rent or buy a large office.

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 10 2025, 08:18 PM)
Your news source please for your assertion that rural hukou is now more valuable than urban hukou in CCP China.

My news source, .......

https://content-static.cctvnews.cctv.com/sn...E7_679367556312 - Google Translated: News 1+1丨How to take the household registration system reform a step further?
- 2022-07-13

....
Point-based settlement in megacities with a permanent urban population of more than 5 million

The proportion of social security payment years and residence years in the points should be greatly increased.


Lu Ming, Executive Dean of the China Development Institute of Shanghai Jiao Tong University: The point-based settlement system in some big cities used to have many criteria, such as the number of years you actually lived in the local area, the number of years you paid social security in the local area, and another very important factor for point-based settlement, which is your education level. Due to this traditional point-based settlement system, for some people who do not have a very high education level, but have actually lived and worked in a city for a long time, have an urgent need to become citizens, but do not have a local urban household registration and cannot obtain equal local public service treatment, it actually constitutes differentiated treatment. From the perspective of the current reform direction, considering that the number of such people is very large and the demand for urbanization is very strong, it is emphasized that in the future point-based settlement system, the weight of the actual years of residence and social security payment years should be gradually increased, and the requirements for other point-based settlement conditions should be reduced accordingly. In fact, the requirements for education level should be lowered, which is a major benefit for those groups with not very high education levels.

Encourage the removal of annual quota restrictions on settlement

Lu Ming, Executive Dean of the China Development Institute of Shanghai Jiao Tong University: The current point-based settlement system is actually superimposed with a quota allocation system. That is to say, under the existing system, it does not mean that you can settle down immediately after reaching the points, but it means that there is a quota. For example, if there are 100 people in a city who meet the conditions for point-based settlement, but the local government only gives 10 people a quota due to limited public service resources, then the quota is actually very scarce now. This document proposes to gradually encourage everyone to cancel the quota setting, and the system will be very clear. If you reach a certain number of years of social security payment or actual years of residence in the future in the point-based settlement system, as long as you reach a certain score, ideally, you can settle down immediately without quota restrictions. This will also greatly accelerate the process of urbanization of foreign population, especially for those who have lived in a city for a long time and have actually paid social security for a very long time, their settlement process can be greatly accelerated. ...


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AFAIK, nearly ALL those who became top billionaires in China have close ties with CCP China, eg .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Huateng - Tencent/Wechat
Politics

According to the official Tencent website, Ma is a deputy to the 5th Shenzhen Municipal People's Congress and served in the 12th National People's Congress.

Speaking of censorship at a technology conference in Singapore, Ma was quoted as saying: "In terms of information security management, online companies from any country must abide by a defined set of criteria, and act responsibly. Otherwise it might lead to hearsay, libel and argument among citizens—not to mention between countries. That's why the need for online management is increasingly urgent."

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren_Zhengfei - Huawei
... his elder brother became a member of the CCP in 1958 ...

In 1974, in order to build for industrial modernization, he established Liaoyang Petrochemical Fiber General Factory in Liaoyang.

In the same year, Ren was drafted into the army and joined the 22nd detachment of the Infrastructure Engineering Corps of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA). He served as a technician and engineer, working on automation processes in the chemical industry. While serving in the PLA, Ren extensively studied Mao Zedong's writings, particularly Quotations of Chairman Mao and Selected Works of Mao Zedong.:  He received several awards for his proficiency and excellence in Maoist theory. 

In March 1978, 33-year-old Ren went to Beijing to attend the National Science Conference, which was attended by more than 6000 delegates. The same year, Ren joined the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). ...


= no person in China can become very rich businessmen without strong political connections to the CCP, ie guanxi = 关系 .
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QUOTE(brian81st @ Mar 10 2025, 08:51 PM)
the ccp like to elect a business man once he or she becomes successful in the his field, ccp view this as he/she is expert in that field, therefore his/her view will is much more valueble because of his/her insight. similarly jackie chan is also ccp elected member due to his success in entertainment industry. so government will take their view more seriously. They dont become ccp elected member first before this. so their success in the first place was not due to connection with ccp. which is similar like what a think tank does, many government around the world would assembly successful business people and get their insight and views. this is not something rare. so does they have special power within the party, no, as you can see from previous leaders and the politburo, normally are people had been in the political field/government.

Ren was in an army as the technician, and he retired from army. similarly as a US veteren that had been retired, let say he start a business from scratch, and later become successful in his business. Can i just ignore his effort, and just mentioned ohh, he is linked with the government , because he was a retired veteren, that is why he is so successful?

Ren went thru stages, i remember there was a period in time where he was not doing very well, in business, and he had to sell fire extinguisher, simply because there is not enough sales and profits to maintain the company.

if he was government linked in the first place, shouldnt he be able to at least get millions worth of government project first even with 2 dollar pay up capital and with no experience. then he would be able to rent or buy a large office.
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Fyi, .......

https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-my/%E9%A9%AC%E5%8C%96%E8%85%BE - Google Translated:
Ma Huateng - Tencent/Wechat

....
Family members

Father: Ma Chenshu, a member of the Communist Party of China , a cadre who went south, with secondary technical school education, economist, served as accountant, statistician, chief of the planning department, deputy director of the Hainan Basuo Port Authority of the Ministry of Transport, manager and general manager of the Finance and Planning Department of Shenzhen Shipping Corporation, deputy commander-in-chief of the Shenzhen Yantian Port Construction Command, deputy general manager of Shenzhen Yantian Port Group Co., Ltd., was elected as a director of the Yantian Port listed company in 1997, and is now retired. ...

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 10 2025, 10:15 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-my/%E9%A9%AC%E5%8C%96%E8%85%BE - Google Translated:
Ma Huateng - Tencent/Wechat

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Family members

Father: Ma Chenshu, a member of the Communist Party of China , a cadre who went south, with secondary technical school education, economist, served as accountant, statistician, chief of the planning department, deputy director of the Hainan Basuo Port Authority of the Ministry of Transport, manager and general manager of the Finance and Planning Department of Shenzhen Shipping Corporation, deputy commander-in-chief of the Shenzhen Yantian Port Construction Command, deputy general manager of Shenzhen Yantian Port Group Co., Ltd., was elected as a director of the Yantian Port listed company in 1997, and is now retired. ...

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Tencent nearly went bankrupt in 2001. why didnt the government help? and had to sell close to 50% of the company to foreign company?
The company remained unprofitable for the first three years.
South African media company Naspers purchased a 46.5% share of Tencent in 2001.

since you mentioned that tencent is linked with ccp? so ccp not scared tencent fall to foreign company?
doesnt really looks like a ccp linked company if the company nearly went bankrupt and had to sell close to 50% of company shares to foreign owners. so why didnt the father use his connection with ccp for help? you do know ccp have like 99 mil members right?

does that means that if i join pkr member, government/anwar will give government project to me? wow, thanks man, i didnt know that.

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To some people, democracy and freedom of speech is everything.

However, democracy in most countries is just an illusion and even freedom of speech is not really freedom of speech.

There is no perfect system in the world.

China has found a system that works for them.

Is it perfect? definitely no but the government definitely much more effective than a lot of countries.

At the minimum, the government is getting things done and not hampered by in fighting.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alibaba_Group#Ownership

most of alibaba shares are held by foreigners . usually one of directors of China corps are China government officers . he/she has golden share and his/her duty is to prevent technological transfer to foreign companies .

tiktok's shareholders are mostly US investors (more than 60 % ) .even an US corp holds 90% of tiktok .it won't get the source code of tiktok unless it is approved by China authority .

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 10 2025, 10:15 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-my/%E9%A9%AC%E5%8C%96%E8%85%BE - Google Translated:
Ma Huateng - Tencent/Wechat

....
Family members

Father: Ma Chenshu, a member of the Communist Party of China , a cadre who went south, with secondary technical school education, economist, served as accountant, statistician, chief of the planning department, deputy director of the Hainan Basuo Port Authority of the Ministry of Transport, manager and general manager of the Finance and Planning Department of Shenzhen Shipping Corporation, deputy commander-in-chief of the Shenzhen Yantian Port Construction Command, deputy general manager of Shenzhen Yantian Port Group Co., Ltd., was elected as a director of the Yantian Port listed company in 1997, and is now retired. ...

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QUOTE(brian81st @ Mar 11 2025, 12:57 AM)
Tencent nearly went bankrupt in 2001. why didnt the government help? and had to sell close to 50% of the company to foreign company?
The company remained unprofitable for the first three years.
South African media company Naspers purchased a 46.5% share of Tencent in 2001.

since you mentioned that tencent is linked with ccp? so ccp not scared tencent fall to foreign company?
doesnt really looks like a ccp linked company if the company nearly went bankrupt and had to sell close to 50% of company shares to foreign owners. so why didnt the father use his connection with ccp for help? you do know ccp have like 99 mil members right?
Your news source please, about Tencent nearly went bankrupt in 2001.
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does that means that if i join pkr member, government/anwar will give government project to me? wow, thanks man, i didnt know that.
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Ma Hueteng's father was one of the top CCP "dog" or leaders in South China. The father's political connections enabled and helped the son in his copycat business, ie Wechat just copied Whatsapp which is banned in CCP China. .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princelings
The Princelings (Chinese: 太子党), also translated as the Party's Crown Princes, are the descendants of prominent and influential senior communist officials in the People's Republic of China. It is an informal, and often derogatory, categorization to signify those believed to be benefiting from nepotism and cronyism, by analogy with crown princes in hereditary monarchies. Many of its members hold high-level political and business positions in the upper echelons of power. ...

If you are one of the top PKR "dog" or local leader, maybe you too can get government projects from the PH-BN Federal govt or PH state government.
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Fyi, .......

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2021/02/...kr-deputy-chief - 2021/02/ - macc-detains-perak-pkr-deputy-chief
.... It is learnt that he was detained over a development project in Perak. ...

https://www.malaysianow.com/news/2021/02/16...xury-car-seized -
2021/02/16 - aide-to-ex-minister-xavier-arrested,- RM1.2 million-in-cash, -luxury-car-seized
The Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) today arrested a PKR state leader who was the special aide to former water, land and natural resources minister Xavier Jayakumar, as it investigates bribery involving millions of ringgit linked to the ministry under the Pakatan Harapan government. ...

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...rested-in-probe - 2023/04/14 - HR Minister's-aide-arrested-in-probe
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https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...nnection/154727 - 2024/10/24 - guan-eng's-undersea-tunnel-corruption-trial: prosecution-objects-defence-inquiry-on-najib-connection

???????
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Your news source please, about Tencent nearly went bankrupt in 2001.
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Ma Hueteng's father was one of the top CCP "dog" or leaders in South China. The father's political connections enabled and helped the son in his copycat business, ie Wechat just copied Whatsapp which is banned in CCP China. .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princelings
The Princelings (Chinese: 太子党), also translated as the Party's Crown Princes, are the descendants of prominent and influential senior communist officials in the People's Republic of China. It is an informal, and often derogatory, categorization to signify those believed to be benefiting from nepotism and cronyism, by analogy with crown princes in hereditary monarchies. Many of its members hold high-level political and business positions in the upper echelons of power. ...

If you are one of the top PKR "dog" or local leader, maybe you too can get government projects from the PH-BN Federal govt or PH state government.
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Fyi, .......

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2021/02/...kr-deputy-chief - 2021/02/ - macc-detains-perak-pkr-deputy-chief
.... It is learnt that he was detained over a development project in Perak. ...

https://www.malaysianow.com/news/2021/02/16...xury-car-seized -
2021/02/16 - aide-to-ex-minister-xavier-arrested,- RM1.2  million-in-cash, -luxury-car-seized
The Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) today arrested a PKR state leader who was the special aide to former water, land and natural resources minister Xavier Jayakumar, as it investigates bribery involving millions of ringgit linked to the ministry under the Pakatan Harapan government. ...

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...rested-in-probe - 2023/04/14 - HR Minister's-aide-arrested-in-probe
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https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...nnection/154727 - 2024/10/24 - guan-eng's-undersea-tunnel-corruption-trial: prosecution-objects-defence-inquiry-on-najib-connection

???????
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why the father never use ccp to give the son subsidies? but the son have to sell 50% of company to foreigner company in 2001? should be easy right , since is top dog as you mentioned?

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A more indepth discussion at Reddit, eg .......

https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/commen...=38808&sort=new - China’s domestically developed EUV machine is currently undergoing testing - 3 days ago
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Edited 3d ago

This type of light source is not really suitable, and LDP sources were investigated in the early 90s as part of EUVL development. They settled on LPP for many reasons: wavefront and spectral uniformity, flare (stray light), efficiency, overall power output, defectivity (preservation of the collector optics), and so on. The source too is just one small piece of the puzzle. In fact, ASML (Philips), and the Japanese already investigated and built LDP sources as early as 2006 and found them impractical due to defectivity (Chinese researchers know this too). Managing all these requirements took collaboration across so many institutions, suppliers, countries, customers, and many billions of dollars and decades of work. Litho tools need to perform nearly perfectly, with high availability and extreme performance targets. This is why developing such a system fully domestically is extremely difficult. ...

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DeepSeek Moment for Lithography  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif





The LDP approach by China is simpler, smaller, more cost-effective and better energy efficiency.

https://www.techpowerup.com/333801/china-de...poly-in-trouble

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ashutosh-k-3...874267136-b2AG/
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Won't be surprised that the specs and performance will surpass all current EUV machines.
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 9 2025, 04:51 PM)
As expected

What else China cannot make?
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Chyna build king dom instead of BS about free dom notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(jibpek @ Mar 9 2025, 04:54 PM)
and half the price
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Another similar FAKE news by the CCP China propaganda machine.? .......

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2025/03/05/j-...-is-a-big-fake/ - 2025 March 5 - J-20 and J-35 are real—China’s ‘White Emperor’ is a big fake

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- China Tests New 6th Generation Fighter Jet! US Shocked! - 6 Dec 2024
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 12 2025, 02:08 PM)
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Another similar FAKE news by the CCP China propaganda machine.? .......

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2025/03/05/j-...-is-a-big-fake/ - 2025 March 5 - J-20 and J-35 are real—China’s ‘White Emperor’ is a big fake

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- China Tests New 6th Generation Fighter Jet! US Shocked! - 6 Dec 2024
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Just wait another 3 ~ 6 months and see
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 12 2025, 02:08 PM)
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Another similar FAKE news by the CCP China propaganda machine.? .......

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2025/03/05/j-...-is-a-big-fake/ - 2025 March 5 - J-20 and J-35 are real—China’s ‘White Emperor’ is a big fake

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- China Tests New 6th Generation Fighter Jet! US Shocked! - 6 Dec 2024
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 12 2025, 02:08 PM)
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Another similar FAKE news by the CCP China propaganda machine.? .......

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2025/03/05/j-...-is-a-big-fake/ - 2025 March 5 - J-20 and J-35 are real—China’s ‘White Emperor’ is a big fake

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- China Tests New 6th Generation Fighter Jet! US Shocked! - 6 Dec 2024
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- 21 Jan 2025
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So, which is CCP China's FAKE 6th generation fighter jet, White Emperor/Baidi or J-36 or J-50.?

What are the specs and capabilities of CCP China's REAL/TRUE 6th-gen fighter jet.? The above demo'ed J-36 is capable to fly only (like the Concorde), ie could not dogfight.? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 12 2025, 02:08 PM)
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Another similar FAKE news by the CCP China propaganda machine.? .......

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2025/03/05/j-...-is-a-big-fake/ - 2025 March 5 - J-20 and J-35 are real—China’s ‘White Emperor’ is a big fake

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- China Tests New 6th Generation Fighter Jet! US Shocked! - 6 Dec 2024
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Only dumb westoids would take a full sized model mockup used as a promo for a scifi novel as something China would try to pass of as a real starfighter.
And then start clutching pearls about how China "presented no hard evidence of its capabilites" and "tied it to national pride"...... trying to fool the world with their fake goods and fake GDP and fake eggs blah blah blah.

It's like folks going to the Smithsonian and seeing an X-Wing Fighter there, start earnestly discussing about how America is on the verge of having star- fighters and will soon dominate outer space.


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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 12 2025, 02:08 PM)
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Another similar FAKE news by the CCP China propaganda machine.? .......

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2025/03/05/j-...-is-a-big-fake/ - 2025 March 5 - J-20 and J-35 are real—China’s ‘White Emperor’ is a big fake

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- China Tests New 6th Generation Fighter Jet! US Shocked! - 6 Dec 2024
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Mar 12 2025, 10:32 PM)
Only dumb westoids would take a full sized model mockup used as a promo for a scifi novel as something China would try to pass of as a real starfighter.
And then start clutching pearls about how China "presented no hard evidence of its capabilites" and "tied it to national pride"...... trying to fool the world with their fake goods and fake GDP and fake eggs blah blah blah.

It's like folks going to the Smithsonian and seeing an X-Wing Fighter there, start earnestly discussing about how America is on the verge of having star- fighters and will soon dominate outer space.
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You mean "observers" like CCP China state-run Global Times and Alibaba-owned South China Morning Post.?

From my above news link, .......

.... China’s state-run outlets wasted no time amplifying the narrative. Within days of the unveiling, reports emerged claiming the White Emperor was more than just an atmospheric fighter—it could, they asserted, operate in space. According to a piece in the Global Times, a mouthpiece for Beijing’s messaging, the aircraft was envisioned as a cornerstone of “Project Nantianmen,” a speculative initiative blending air and space combat. ...

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/ar...zhuhai-air-show - Recap | J-35A stealth fighter, J-15D ‘Flying Shark’, White Emperor space fighter, combat drones: 5 Zhuhai Air Show stories
Explore some of our latest coverage plus a gallery of Chinese military aviation technology on display at the Zhuhai Air Show 2024
- 16 Nov 2024

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4. Supersonic Baidi ‘White Emperor’ space fighter concept unveiled at Zhuhai Air Show

China’s Zhuhai Air Show will showcase the Baidi, or White Emperor, a next-generation supersonic fighter capable of operating beyond Earth’s atmosphere in space, highlighting China’s advancements in aerospace technology. A life-size prototype will be featured, highlighting advancements in weaponry and avionics, potentially setting the stage for future Chinese military aircraft developments. ...

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 13 2025, 01:54 PM)
You mean "observers" like CCP China state-run Global Times and Alibaba-owned South China Morning Post.?

From my above news link, .......

.... China’s state-run outlets wasted no time amplifying the narrative. Within days of the unveiling, reports emerged claiming the White Emperor was more than just an atmospheric fighter—it could, they asserted, operate in space. According to a piece in the Global Times, a mouthpiece for Beijing’s messaging, the aircraft was envisioned as a cornerstone of “Project Nantianmen,” a speculative initiative blending air and space combat. ...

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There is no "piece in the Global Times that talks about this Baidi plane or Project Nantianmen. Probably just more lies paid for by USAID to Bulgarianmilitary.com.


QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 13 2025, 01:54 PM)
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/ar...zhuhai-air-show - Recap | J-35A stealth fighter, J-15D ‘Flying Shark’, White Emperor space fighter, combat drones: 5 Zhuhai Air Show stories
Explore some of our latest coverage plus a gallery of Chinese military aviation technology on display at the Zhuhai Air Show 2024
- 16 Nov 2024

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4. Supersonic Baidi ‘White Emperor’ space fighter concept unveiled at Zhuhai Air Show

China’s Zhuhai Air Show will showcase the Baidi, or White Emperor, a next-generation supersonic fighter capable of operating beyond Earth’s atmosphere in space, highlighting China’s advancements in aerospace technology. A life-size prototype will be featured, highlighting advancements in weaponry and avionics, potentially setting the stage for future Chinese military aircraft developments. ...

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You know what the word "concept" means ar? Also in the article you linked to, you can actually click on it to go to the original article with all the details. Which you won't post cos it blows your lies out of the water.

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Clearly said it is only a model.

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Find one word where they said this was a real "GEN 6/7/8" plane??

Nantianmem project might be something like America's DARPA program...why all you AMDK's all take it so seriously?

You don't see us Wumaos crying over ridiculous US concept plane like below...do you?

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Hahaha I still remember so many people were showing off the 'White Emperor' model as a 6th gen plane when it was OBVIOUSLY a prop for a science fiction project. Too many casuals in the main stream media.

Mainly because it was by AVIC, so they automatically think it is 'official' when it was clearly meant as an 'inspirational' project to get science fiction geeks excited.

When you finally realised there wasn't even a hint of their 6th gen that flew recently in any of their prestigious air shows. You start to appreciate all these fluff that they churn out is to confused the 'watchers' to hide what they are truly doing.

No prior announcement of any of their 6th gen, just suddenly social media images and videos of amateurish blur phone videos and snaps of the planes just flying around a populated urban environment.


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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Mar 12 2025, 10:32 PM)
Only dumb westoids would take a full sized model mockup used as a promo for a scifi novel as something China would try to pass of as a real starfighter.
And then start clutching pearls about how China "presented no hard evidence of its capabilites" and "tied it to national pride"...... trying to fool the world with their fake goods and fake GDP and fake eggs blah blah blah.

It's like folks going to the Smithsonian and seeing an X-Wing Fighter there, start earnestly discussing about how America is on the verge of having star- fighters and will soon dominate outer space.
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Mar 14 2025, 09:11 AM)
There is no "piece in the Global Times that talks about this Baidi plane or Project Nantianmen. Probably just more lies paid for by USAID to Bulgarianmilitary.com.
You know what the word "concept" means ar? Also in the article you linked to, you can actually click on it to go to the original article with all the details. Which you won't post cos it blows your lies out of the water.

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Clearly said it is only a model.

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Find one word where they said this was a real "GEN 6/7/8" plane??

Nantianmem project might be something like America's DARPA program...why all you AMDK's all take it so seriously?

You don't see us Wumaos crying over ridiculous US concept plane like below...do you?

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So, why the more evil CCP China/AVICS stupidly made the effort to create a meaningless model of the FICTIONAL White Emperor/Baidi space-fighter based on a science fiction concept derived from an AVICS sponsored alien invasion novel, and presented it at their Zhuhai Airshow in Nov 2024 - then the CCP state-run media outlets making anti-USA propaganda out of it.?

This is like USA making a model of the fictional 1977 Star Wars's X-Wing space-fighter and presenting it as a science fiction concept at the Florida International Airshow in the 1980s - then the US media making anti-CCP China propaganda out of it. .......
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 14 2025, 01:35 PM)
So, why the more evil CCP China/AVICS stupidly made the effort to create a meaningless model of the FICTIONAL White Emperor/Baidi space-fighter based on a science fiction concept derived from an AVICS sponsored alien invasion novel, and presented it at their Zhuhai Airshow in Nov 2024 - then the CCP state-run media outlets making anti-USA propaganda out of it.?
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Who cares why they made the model mock up, as long as they didn't try to pretend that they were real fighter planes!! It seems now only you realized that it was a FICTIONAL plane all along, it always was presented as a mockup/model in the Zhuhai Airshow, and by SCMP. Congratulations!

Which state-run media outlet made anti-USA propaganda out of it? We only see dumb Westoid media (like your Bulgarianmilitary.com) making anti-CCP propaganda by stupidly assuming China was presenting the Baidi as a real plane. "They tried to trick us with their model airplane, which we though was real". Dah la bodoh, cuba nak tipu orang pulak.

Your actual analogy should be:

QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 14 2025, 01:35 PM)
This is like USA making a model of the fictional 1977 Star Wars's X-Wing space-fighter and presenting it as a science fiction concept at the Florida International Airshow in the 1980s - then the US media reports on it as a fictional science fiction concept....but then stupid CCP-backed media saying the Americans are presenting the X-wing as a real plane in the US Airforce and that we should not believe them cos they didn't share actual flight data that the X-Wing could even fly.......
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 14 2025, 01:35 PM)
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So, why the more evil CCP China/AVICS stupidly made the effort to create a meaningless model of the FICTIONAL White Emperor/Baidi space-fighter based on a science fiction concept derived from an AVICS sponsored alien invasion novel, and presented it at their Zhuhai Airshow in Nov 2024 - then the CCP state-run media outlets making anti-USA propaganda out of it.?

This is like USA making a model of the fictional 1977 Star Wars's X-Wing space-fighter and presenting it as a science fiction concept at the Florida International Airshow in the 1980s - then the US media making anti-CCP China propaganda out of it. .......
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It is just a science fiction model for fun.

No one is seriously thinking it is an 'ACTUAL' model of a plane. Only casuals think like this and the casuals who gobble these type of click-bait news.

It isn't even a technically flyable plane if they built it. Experts will know it when they see it.

You can still find the display model openly at Changchun.


The actual (6th gen equivalent) planes were never revealed until it was flown during Christmas last year. Which did not have any official recognition.

Stop trying to look at obvious news which is meant to obfuscate the masses. You are being baited and you just swallow it up.


And please don't quote SCMP on defense news. There are several writers there who writes China defense news, and all of them are either intentionally written in a completely science fiction matter and completely over-estimate by 1000% the capabilities just for click bait. There is no serious defense writers there, only click bait opinion writers. You want to educate people on China, stop being a fool yourself. doh.gif

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 14 2025, 01:35 PM)
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So, why the more evil CCP China/AVICS stupidly made the effort to create a meaningless model of the FICTIONAL White Emperor/Baidi space-fighter based on a science fiction concept derived from an AVICS sponsored alien invasion novel, and presented it at their Zhuhai Airshow in Nov 2024 - then the CCP state-run media outlets making anti-USA propaganda out of it.?

This is like USA making a model of the fictional 1977 Star Wars's X-Wing space-fighter and presenting it as a science fiction concept at the Florida International Airshow in the 1980s - then the US media making anti-CCP China propaganda out of it. .......
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Mar 14 2025, 03:15 PM)
Who cares why they made the model mock up, as long as they didn't try to pretend that they were real fighter planes!! It seems now only you realized that it was a FICTIONAL plane all along, it always was presented as a mockup/model in the Zhuhai Airshow, and by SCMP. Congratulations!

Which state-run media outlet made anti-USA propaganda out of it? We only see dumb Westoid media (like your Bulgarianmilitary.com) making anti-CCP propaganda by stupidly assuming China was presenting the Baidi as a real plane. "They tried to trick us with their model airplane, which we though was real". Dah la bodoh, cuba nak tipu orang pulak.

Your actual analogy should be:
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Why USA has not copied CCP China to make a model of the fictional Star Wars's X-Wing space-fighter and presenting it as a science fiction concept at the Florida International Airshow so that the US media can make anti-CCP China propaganda out of it.?
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 13 2025, 01:54 PM)
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You mean "observers" like CCP China state-run Global Times and Alibaba-owned South China Morning Post.?

From my above news link, .......

.... China’s state-run outlets wasted no time amplifying the narrative. Within days of the unveiling, reports emerged claiming the White Emperor was more than just an atmospheric fighter—it could, they asserted, operate in space. According to a piece in the Global Times, a mouthpiece for Beijing’s messaging, the aircraft was envisioned as a cornerstone of “Project Nantianmen,” a speculative initiative blending air and space combat. ...

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/ar...zhuhai-air-show - Recap | J-35A stealth fighter, J-15D ‘Flying Shark’, White Emperor space fighter, combat drones: 5 Zhuhai Air Show stories
Explore some of our latest coverage plus a gallery of Chinese military aviation technology on display at the Zhuhai Air Show 2024
- 16 Nov 2024

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4. Supersonic Baidi ‘White Emperor’ space fighter concept unveiled at Zhuhai Air Show

China’s Zhuhai Air Show will showcase the Baidi, or White Emperor, a next-generation supersonic fighter capable of operating beyond Earth’s atmosphere in space, highlighting China’s advancements in aerospace technology. A life-size prototype will be featured, highlighting advancements in weaponry and avionics, potentially setting the stage for future Chinese military aircraft developments. ...

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QUOTE(Skidd Chung @ Mar 14 2025, 03:19 PM)
It is just a science fiction model for fun.

No one is seriously thinking it is an 'ACTUAL' model of a plane. Only casuals think like this and the casuals who gobble these type of click-bait news.

It isn't even a technically flyable plane if they built it. Experts will know it when they see it.

You can still find the display model openly at Changchun.


That was not what Global Times, a CCP China propaganda mouthpiece said.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 14 2025, 04:18 PM)
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Why USA has not copied CCP China to make a model of the fictional  Star Wars's X-Wing space-fighter and presenting it as a science fiction concept at the Florida International Airshow so that the US media can make anti-CCP China propaganda out of it.?
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Because as dumb as American media are, they know the Chinese Media won't take the bait. In fact, China's media couldn't care less to critique on what the US media reports on, they only focus on China.

US will make an X-Wing, put in in their Air Show, sneakily put the "fake model only" in small letters at the bottom of the plane, hoping to catch and accuse Globaltimes/SCMP as anti-American when they write an article ridiculing the X-Wing. They can syiok sendiri and wait long long for Globaltimes/SCMP to even bother writing about them. They can wait forever.

You think China media so small gas ar? Always looking to ridicule America?? You can just goto their latest article on how SpaceX/Nasa again failed to rescue the American astronauts stuck in place....go ahead and read the whole article.....find 1 sentence where it makes fun of America's waning technological powress, of how stubborn they are not asking for Russia/China's help to save their own citizens, of how the last 2 SpaceX rockets have exploded like America's inflation...

America fails again as China pulls ahead in the Space race - is what I'd have title this article, but China is more respectful
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That was not what Global Times, a CCP China propaganda mouthpiece said.
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So tell me then, what did Global Times, a CCP China propaganda mouthpiece said about the "Baidi"???

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Here's their search page...
https://search.globaltimes.cn/SearchCtrl
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 14 2025, 04:20 PM)
That was not what Global Times, a CCP China propaganda mouthpiece said.
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Mar 14 2025, 04:44 PM)
So tell me then, what did Global Times, a CCP China propaganda mouthpiece said about the "Baidi"???

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Here's their search page...
https://search.globaltimes.cn/SearchCtrl
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= Global Times has sneakily deleted the quoted news report after propagandaizing/hyping the White Emperor/Baidi space-fighter as CCP China's 6th-gen fighter jet, but recently got debunked by some non-CCP military observers, ie sudah "pecah tembelang".. .......

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/chinas-6th-ge...eijing-unveils/ - China’s 6th-Gen Fighter Jet? Beijing Unveils “Supersonic Aircraft” Capable Of Dropping “Munitions From Space” - 12 Nov 2024
China has revealed a bold new vision for future air combat by unveiling a sleek, futuristic fighter jet that Beijing claims can break through the Earth’s atmosphere and operate in space. The jet has already become the highlight of the Zhuhai Airshow 2024, which kicked off on November 12.

Dubbed the “Baidi” or “White Emperor,” this cutting-edge aircraft model is showcased as part of China’s ambitious Project Nantianmen, a research initiative to explore future aerospace technologies. Social media users began sharing images of this next-generation fighter jet on November 11.

According to information provided at the airshow, the Baidi is envisioned as an “integrated space-air fighter,” capable of supersonic flight and breaking through the Earth’s atmosphere to operate in space, a feature that places it at the forefront of next-generation aviation.

The Aviation Industry Corporation of China, a state-owned aerospace and defense conglomerate, created the aircraft model.

The aircraft’s specifications remain largely under wraps, but its placard offers some insights into its features. The Baidi’s internal weapons bay has been expanded to accommodate heavy air-to-ground munitions, signaling its role in versatile combat scenarios.

It further added, “The Baidi Type B fighter has also received a comprehensive avionics upgrade, enhancing cockpit ergonomics and simplifying maintenance procedures, which effectively boosts its deployment capability and operational efficiency.”

The Baidi’s appearance at the Zhuhai Airshow, just a day after the 75th anniversary of the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) on November 11, further highlights its importance in China’s long-term military modernization plans.

Its sleek, otherworldly design has drawn comparisons to the future of warfare, offering a glimpse into China’s aspirations for a more advanced, multi-domain air force.

One of the most striking aspects of the Baidi’s design is its cockpit. Hong Kong-based CMP reported that Global Times, a publication affiliated with the Chinese Communist Party, was granted access to the prototype before the airshow’s official opening.

The reporter described the cockpit as “extremely spacious” and noted the presence of a “futuristic” canopy.


Military observers remain cautious, noting that while the Baidi is an exciting concept, its true capabilities and future development are still uncertain.

Some speculate that the aircraft could be a prototype for future PLAAF models, though this has not been officially confirmed. Despite these uncertainties, Baidi’s introduction marks a step in China’s ongoing efforts to position itself as a global leader in aerospace technology and military innovation.

The Race For Sixth-Generation Aircraft

The competition to develop sixth-generation aircraft has reached a fever pitch, with several nations racing to establish dominance in this new era of aviation technology.

While China has showcased what appears to be a mockup of its sixth-generation aircraft, the United States is currently ahead in the race, particularly with its development of the B-21 Raider.

The B-21 Raider, which is considered the first operational sixth-generation aircraft, is a cutting-edge bomber that has been under development since 2011. The US awarded major development contracts for the project in 2015, but the details were kept under wraps for several years. ...

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https://idrw.org/unmasking-the-white-empero...pace-ambitions/ - unmasking-the-white-emperor: a-tale-of-hype-skepticism-and-strategic-deception-in-china's-aerospace-ambitions - 13 March 2025
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QUOTE(giftfre @ Mar 14 2025, 09:40 AM)
Haha, don't worry soon South East China Sea Air Space will under China's surveillance. Any country disagree with China, they will escort you flight back to your airport terminal.
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At this rate

It's just a matter of time

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QUOTE(h@ksam @ Mar 14 2025, 06:19 PM)
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At this rate

It's just a matter of time
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Don't worry

China will protect Earth from Klingons

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 14 2025, 05:58 PM)
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= Global Times has sneakily deleted  the quoted news report after propagandaizing/hyping the White Emperor/Baidi space-fighter as CCP China's 6th-gen fighter jet, but recently got debunked by some  non-CCP military observers, ie sudah "pecah tembelang".. .......

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/chinas-6th-ge...eijing-unveils/ - China’s 6th-Gen Fighter Jet? Beijing Unveils “Supersonic Aircraft” Capable Of Dropping “Munitions From Space”  - 12 Nov 2024
China has revealed a bold new vision for future air combat by unveiling a sleek, futuristic fighter jet that Beijing claims can break through the Earth’s atmosphere and operate in space. The jet has already become the highlight of the Zhuhai Airshow 2024, which kicked off on November 12.

Dubbed the “Baidi” or “White Emperor,” this cutting-edge aircraft model is showcased as part of China’s ambitious Project Nantianmen, a research initiative to explore future aerospace technologies. Social media users began sharing images of this next-generation fighter jet on November 11.

According to information provided at the airshow, the Baidi is envisioned as an “integrated space-air fighter,” capable of supersonic flight and breaking through the Earth’s atmosphere to operate in space, a feature that places it at the forefront of next-generation aviation. 

The Aviation Industry Corporation of China, a state-owned aerospace and defense conglomerate, created the aircraft model.

The aircraft’s specifications remain largely under wraps, but its placard offers some insights into its features. The Baidi’s internal weapons bay has been expanded to accommodate heavy air-to-ground munitions, signaling its role in versatile combat scenarios.

It further added, “The Baidi Type B fighter has also received a comprehensive avionics upgrade, enhancing cockpit ergonomics and simplifying maintenance procedures, which effectively boosts its deployment capability and operational efficiency.”

The Baidi’s appearance at the Zhuhai Airshow, just a day after the 75th anniversary of the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) on November 11, further highlights its importance in China’s long-term military modernization plans.

Its sleek, otherworldly design has drawn comparisons to the future of warfare, offering a glimpse into China’s aspirations for a more advanced, multi-domain air force.

One of the most striking aspects of the Baidi’s design is its cockpit. Hong Kong-based CMP reported that Global Times, a publication affiliated with the Chinese Communist Party, was granted access to the prototype before the airshow’s official opening.

The reporter described the cockpit as “extremely spacious” and noted the presence of a “futuristic” canopy. 


Military observers remain cautious, noting that while the Baidi is an exciting concept, its true capabilities and future development are still uncertain.

Some speculate that the aircraft could be a prototype for future PLAAF models, though this has not been officially confirmed. Despite these uncertainties, Baidi’s introduction marks a step in China’s ongoing efforts to position itself as a global leader in aerospace technology and military innovation. 

The Race For Sixth-Generation Aircraft

The competition to develop sixth-generation aircraft has reached a fever pitch, with several nations racing to establish dominance in this new era of aviation technology.

While China has showcased what appears to be a mockup of its sixth-generation aircraft, the United States is currently ahead in the race, particularly with its development of the B-21 Raider.

The B-21 Raider, which is considered the first operational sixth-generation aircraft, is a cutting-edge bomber that has been under development since 2011. The US awarded major development contracts for the project in 2015, but the details were kept under wraps for several years.  ...

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https://idrw.org/unmasking-the-white-empero...pace-ambitions/ - unmasking-the-white-emperor: a-tale-of-hype-skepticism-and-strategic-deception-in-china's-aerospace-ambitions - 13 March 2025
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How many lies can your article make in 1 page??

Did Washington Post and Popular Mechanics also "sneakily deleted the quoted news report"??
Are they both also obviously Pro-CCP media??

Hahaha, what a "Cosmic Joke", just give up with the lies la. 🤣

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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Mar 14 2025, 08:32 PM)
How many lies can your article make in 1 page??

Did Washington Post and Popular Mechanics also "sneakily deleted the quoted news report"??
Are they both also obviously Pro-CCP media??

Hahaha, what a "Cosmic Joke",  just give up with the lies la. 🤣

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Since Global Times has deleted their news propaganda about the White Emperor/Baidi 6th-gen space-fighter because they got found out, the Washington Post and Popular Mechanics probably followed suit to delete their news reports but many other Western media have not deleted theirs.

Fyi, Google Translated from CCP Chinese, .......

https://news.qq.com/rain/a/20241112A03MH800
12 Nov 2024 - Is the Nantianmen Project real? The "Baidi" air-space fighter was unveiled in Zhuhai! Does the sixth-generation aircraft really look like this?
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Baidi and Nantianmen Project

In the past few days, Big Ivan has seen discussions about the "Baidi" aerospace fighter on many short video platforms. Some say that this is China's latest achievement after "going to the back of the moon", some say that this is our sixth-generation fighter, and some say that this is a strategic deception plan we proposed to see if the Americans will follow it. ...


https://www.sohu.com/a/687444899_121470950 - 20 June 2023 - CCTV officially announced the Nantianmen Project. What are Luanniao, Xuannv, and Baidi? All it needs is a key technology
.... In terms of specific parameters, the "Baidi" is 18.5 meters long, has a wingspan of 8.6 meters, and is equipped with the same dual vector engine as the J-20. However, in terms of appearance, the nose is more like a "duckbill" and has a double vertical tail that tilts outward. In terms of flight speed, when it rushes from the atmosphere into outer space, the speed can reach Mach 16 due to the reduced resistance in outer space. Many friends have doubts about the inability to use traditional turbofan engines in space, and they also have to face the problem of turning in space. When Harbin Aircraft Industry Group, a subsidiary of AVIC, was displayed at the air show, it was mentioned in the on-site introduction that the "Baidi" had completed multiple test flights such as test flights through the atmosphere and long-distance test flights in outer space. So how it was done is too advanced to be displayed. ...

https://www.voachinese.com/a/baidi-b-concep...25/7876327.html - Does the appearance of the “Baidi Type B” aerospace concept fighter show China’s ambition in space competition? - 26 Nov 2024
.... Luo Qingsheng, CEO of the Taiwan International Strategic Society, said in an interview with Voice of America that the essence of the "Nantianmen Project" is a cultural product of AVIC Global Cultural Communication Co., Ltd., a kind of science fiction marketing, and the "Baidi Type B" was produced by the "China Aviation Industry Cultural Center", which is a cultural sector directly under the "China Aviation Industry Corporation". China's J-35A and J-20 development companies, Shenyang Aircraft Industry Group and Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group, both belong to AVIC. Therefore, the "Baidi Type B" is not the same as boundless fantasy, but involves scientists, which may also hint at the future development and innovation direction of China's space technology. ...
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 14 2025, 07:55 PM)
Don't worry

China will protect Earth from Klingons
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Yes, communist CCP China's Baidi/White Emperor 6th-gen space-fighters will protect us from Klingons. biggrin.gif
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Nope

Baidi is just a conceptual design to fascinate the audience

These are the real 6th gen fighter jets, J-36 and J-50





But these fighter jets are not enough to fight Klingons until the 7th gen fighter jet that uses the Mach 16 Oblique Detonation Engine is in commission




QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 12:45 AM)
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Yes, communist CCP China's Baidi/White Emperor 6th-gen space-fighters will protect us from Klingons.    biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 15 2025, 12:42 PM)
Nope

Baidi is just a conceptual design to fascinate the audience

These are the real 6th gen fighter jets, J-36 and J-50
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But these fighter jets are not enough to fight Klingons until the 7th gen fighter jet that uses the Mach 16 Oblique Detonation Engine is in commission
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The 6th-gen J-36 and J-50 fighter jets can also be FAKE propaganda from CCP China, just like how CCP propaganda mouthpiece, Global Times and CCTV, had propagandized the FAKE Baidi/White Emperor 6th-gen space-fighter at the Zhuhai Airshow in Nov 2024 and earlier

I'm waiting for CCP-lovers to post the specs and 6th-gen fighter jet dogfight capabilities of the J-36 and J-50.

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https://www.sohu.com/a/687444899_121470950 - 20 June 2023 - CCTV officially announced the Nantianmen Project. What are Luanniao, Xuannv, and Baidi? All it needs is a key technology 
.... In terms of specific parameters, the "Baidi" is 18.5 meters long, has a wingspan of 8.6 meters, and is equipped with the same dual vector engine as the J-20. However, in terms of appearance, the nose is more like a "duckbill" and has a double vertical tail that tilts outward. In terms of flight speed, when it rushes from the atmosphere into outer space, the speed can reach Mach 16 due to the reduced resistance in outer space. Many friends have doubts about the inability to use traditional turbofan engines in space, and they also have to face the problem of turning in space. When Harbin Aircraft Industry Group, a subsidiary of AVIC, was displayed at the air show, it was mentioned in the on-site introduction that the "Baidi" had completed multiple test flights such as test flights through the atmosphere and long-distance test flights in outer space. So how it was done is too advanced to be displayed. ...

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Fake propaganda?

Hope US military has the same mindset as you

Kekekekeke

QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 02:03 PM)
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The 6th-gen J-36 and J-50 fighter jets can also be FAKE propaganda from CCP China, just like how CCP propaganda mouthpiece, Global Times and CCTV, had propagandized the FAKE Baidi/White Emperor 6th-gen space-fighter at the Zhuhai Airshow in Nov 2024 and earlier

I'm waiting for CCP-lovers to post the specs and 6th-gen fighter jet dogfight capabilities of the J-36 and J-50.
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Mar 15 2025, 02:24 PM)
Fake propaganda?

Hope US military has the same mindset as you

Kekekekeke
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Fyi, .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-36
The Chengdu J-36 (Chinese: 歼-36; pinyin: jiānsānliù) is a speculative designation given by military analysts to a trijet tailless double-delta winged aircraft under development by the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC).

On 26 December 2024, an aircraft believed to be a J-36 was spotted allegedly conducting test flights in Chengdu, Sichuan, China. Since the aircraft's serial number (36011) begins with '36,' following the People's Liberation Army Air Force convention, this model was presumably designated as J-36, but further information is limited.[1] ...

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The similar supersonic Concorde passenger jet also could fly but it could not do dogfight. .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde
.... Concorde is a tailless aircraft design with a narrow fuselage permitting 4-abreast seating for 92 to 128 passengers, an ogival delta wing and a droop nose for landing visibility.
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More likely is a false story will raise fund for their department. Like the haxin computer

https://www.scmp.com/article/548640/mainlan...ip-exposed-fake

China is capable to adapt, just with this short time frame and lack of any researchers, not possible.

Unlike deepseek, you can train new AI with using chatgbt, and purchase nvidia chips off records. EUV is not easy, even Intel the largest chips producer fail at it. They end up buy it from other company.

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QUOTE(Jazted @ Mar 15 2025, 03:16 PM)
More likely is a false story will raise fund for their department. Like the haxin computer

https://www.scmp.com/article/548640/mainlan...ip-exposed-fake

China is capable to adapt, just with this short time frame and lack of any researchers, not possible.  Even intel fall at this.
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Good good

Hope Pentagon will rely on Wikipedia too

Kekekeke

QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 03:14 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-36
The Chengdu J-36 (Chinese: 歼-36; pinyin: jiānsānliù) is a speculative designation given by military analysts to a trijet tailless double-delta winged aircraft under development by the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC).

On 26 December 2024, an aircraft believed to be a J-36 was spotted allegedly conducting test flights in Chengdu, Sichuan, China. Since the aircraft's serial number (36011) begins with '36,' following the People's Liberation Army Air Force convention, this model was presumably designated as J-36, but further information is limited.[1] ...

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The similar supersonic Concorde passenger jet also could fly but it could not do dogfight. .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde
.... Concorde is a tailless aircraft design with a narrow fuselage permitting 4-abreast seating for 92 to 128 passengers, an ogival delta wing and a droop nose for landing visibility.
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Mar 15 2025, 03:21 PM)
im not wumao but gotta admit that today's china is not the same as 2006 china, cannot take something that happened back in 2006 and compare it with now, i wouldnt underestimate china now
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This is just speaks through logic and based on China historical event.

China can adapt, but even a mass producing chips like Intel fail to produce EUV

With the time frame and lack of researchers, i doubt it.
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QUOTE(Jazted @ Mar 15 2025, 03:26 PM)
This is just speaks through logic and based on China historical event.

China can adapt, but even a mass producing chips like Intel fail to produce EUV

With the time frame and lack of researchers,  i doubt it.
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but in TS punya posts they mention china have successfully invented a totally new technology from the EUV that ASML is currently using, so that means if this new invention succeeds they dont have to rely on ASML's EUV machines if they want to use EUV technology to mass produce chips

of course now its still at a very early stage la, but definitely cannot underestimate china now, and ASML, intel etc need to buckle up and not slack in their own comfortable zone
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QUOTE(Jazted @ Mar 15 2025, 03:26 PM)
This is just speaks through logic and based on China historical event.

China can adapt, but even a mass producing chips like Intel fail to produce EUV

With the time frame and lack of researchers,  i doubt it.
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AFAIK, Intel's main target market is computer desktops/workstations and laptops, often used by enterprises, programmers/developers, gamers and students, not smartphones/tablets - the latter of which preferably require EUV chip technology of 7nm nodes or lower due to their small thin size, fanlessness, need to be power-sipping (bc they are mobile devices and battery-powered), etc.
........ IOW, Intel and AMD do not really need EUV chip technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc.

Apples and oranges.
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Can transnational passenger aeroplanes (eg Boeing 787 and Airbus 340) and cargo ships be EV or EV-battery-powered.?
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:03 PM)
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AFAIK, Intel's main target market is computer desktops/workstations and laptops, often used by enterprises, programmers/developers, gamers and students, not smartphones/tablets - the latter of which preferably require EUV chip technology of 7nm nodes or lower due to their small thin size, fanlessness, need to be power-sipping (bc they are mobile  devices and battery-powered), etc.
........ IOW, Intel and AMD do not really need EUV chip technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc.

Apples and oranges.
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Can  transnational passenger aeroplanes (eg Boeing 787 and Airbus 340) and cargo ships be EV or EV-battery-powered.?
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And computer processor Ryzen 9000 series is at 4nm, not sure what computer are you using there..


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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Mar 15 2025, 03:38 PM)
but in TS punya posts they mention china have successfully invented a totally new technology from the EUV that ASML is currently using, so that means if this new invention succeeds they dont have to rely on ASML's EUV machines if they want to use EUV technology to mass produce chips

of course now its still at a very early stage la, but definitely cannot underestimate china now, and ASML, intel etc need to buckle up and not slack in their own comfortable zone
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They also claims alot from redesign a new computer OS and design a new mobile system named harmony OS. End up all just a top layer on existing android.

Too much of fake promises and false kpi just to getting the fund from their government.
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QUOTE(Jazted @ Mar 15 2025, 04:13 PM)
And computer processor Ryzen 9000 series is at 4nm, not sure what computer are you using there..
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Fyi, .......

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel...950X/4151vs4172 - Intel-Core-i9-14900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-9950X
Conclusion,

This CPU is incredibly well-placed for a refresh. The i9 14900k(640 euros) offers similar performance to the i9 13900KS(800 Euros) while being available for much less money. The new gen motherboards are also much better. So if you were thinking about getting the 13th gen i9 then the 14th gen is a no-brainer since it offers flawless performance for both gaming and productivity tasks. This is especially true since AMD's "equivalent" 7950x3d is haunted by software bugs and "features" such as needing to have Xbox game bar open 24/7 and having their motherboards overvolt and kill the CPUs.


The Ryzen 9000 CPUs have the same integrated graphics, PCIe lanes, USB support and DRAM controller as the Ryzen 7000 series. The only difference is improved cores which have moved from TSMC's 5 nm process to 4 nm. The new cores offer 15% more performance under cherry-picked conditions but for latency-sensitive workloads, like gaming, they are just few percent faster. The 9600X, 9700X, 9900X, and 9950X are priced at $280, $360, $500, and $650, respectively, making them $80-$200 USD more expensive than the 7000 series. Since the 7000 series flopped (7800X3D somewhat excluded) due to unrealistic pricing, slow boot times, high platform costs and windows gamebar requirements etc., the 9000 series is more or less DOA. ...
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Still Intel 7nm > AMD 4nm.
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QUOTE(Jazted @ Mar 15 2025, 04:18 PM)
They also claims alot from redesign a new computer OS and design a new mobile system named harmony OS. End up all just a top layer on existing android.

Too much of fake promises and false kpi just to getting the fund from their government.
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Deepseek got OpenAI in the backend
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:26 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel...950X/4151vs4172 - Intel-Core-i9-14900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-9950X
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Still Intel 7nm > AMD 4nm.
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"technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc."

Doesnt align with your previous statement, "computer processor do not need to be tiny"
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:03 PM)
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AFAIK, Intel's main target market is computer desktops/workstations and laptops, often used by enterprises, programmers/developers, gamers and students, not smartphones/tablets - the latter of which preferably require EUV chip technology of 7nm nodes or lower due to their small thin size, fanlessness, need to be power-sipping (bc they are mobile  devices and battery-powered), etc.
........ IOW, Intel and AMD do not really need EUV chip technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc.

Apples and oranges.
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Can  transnational passenger aeroplanes (eg Boeing 787 and Airbus 340) and cargo ships be EV or EV-battery-powered.?
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:26 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel...950X/4151vs4172 - Intel-Core-i9-14900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-9950X
Conclusion,

This CPU is incredibly well-placed for a refresh. The i9 14900k(640 euros) offers similar performance to the i9 13900KS(800 Euros) while being available for much less money. The new gen motherboards are also much better. So if you were thinking about getting the 13th gen i9 then the 14th gen is a no-brainer since it offers flawless performance for both gaming and productivity tasks. This is especially true since AMD's "equivalent" 7950x3d is haunted by software bugs and "features" such as needing to have Xbox game bar open 24/7 and having their motherboards overvolt and kill the CPUs.


The Ryzen 9000 CPUs have the same integrated graphics, PCIe lanes, USB support and DRAM controller as the Ryzen 7000 series. The only difference is improved cores which have moved from TSMC's 5 nm process to 4 nm. The new cores offer 15% more performance under cherry-picked conditions but for latency-sensitive workloads, like gaming, they are just few percent faster. The 9600X, 9700X, 9900X, and 9950X are priced at $280, $360, $500, and $650, respectively, making them $80-$200 USD more expensive than the 7000 series. Since the 7000 series flopped (7800X3D somewhat excluded) due to unrealistic pricing, slow boot times, high platform costs and windows gamebar requirements etc., the 9000 series is more or less DOA. ...
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Still Intel 7nm > AMD 4nm.
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QUOTE(Jazted @ Mar 15 2025, 04:30 PM)
"technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc."

Doesnt align with your previous statement, "computer processor do not need to be tiny"
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Please don't add to my words and misinterpret my words out of context.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:34 PM)
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Please don't add to my words and misinterpret my words out of context.
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"technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc."

Here your own words. Can interpret yourself from there
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QUOTE(Jazted @ Mar 15 2025, 04:30 PM)
"technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc."

Doesnt align with your previous statement, "computer processor do not need to be tiny"
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QUOTE(Jazted @ Mar 15 2025, 04:38 PM)
"technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc."

Here your own words. Can interpret yourself from there
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In your above'r or top-more post, you have added to my words. .......

QUOTE(((lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025 @ 04:03 PM)
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AFAIK, Intel's main target market is computer desktops/workstations and laptops, often used by enterprises, programmers/developers, gamers and students, not smartphones/tablets - the latter of which preferably require EUV chip technology of 7nm nodes or lower due to their small thin size, fanlessness, need to be power-sipping (bc they are mobile  devices and battery-powered), etc.
........ IOW, Intel and AMD do not really need EUV chip technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc.

Apples and oranges.
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Can  transnational passenger aeroplanes (eg Boeing 787 and Airbus 340) and cargo ships be EV or EV-battery-powered.?

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 05:01 PM)
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In your above'r or top-more post, you have added to my words. .......
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Missed on the processor part, my fault there.

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 02:03 PM)
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The 6th-gen J-36 and J-50 fighter jets can also be FAKE propaganda from CCP China, just like how CCP propaganda mouthpiece, Global Times and CCTV, had propagandized the FAKE Baidi/White Emperor 6th-gen space-fighter at the Zhuhai Airshow in Nov 2024 and earlier

I'm waiting for CCP-lovers to post the specs and 6th-gen fighter jet dogfight capabilities of the J-36 and J-50.
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When China shows real planes with no data (cos Top Secret and US likes to steal), AMDKs say its fake. Fair enough, no one outside Chinese military knows the truth.
But when China shows a fake plane and says it's a fake plane, AMDK's says it's a real plane with fake stats pulak. Then accuse China of being evil by trying to pull the wool over their eyes.

Just like thinking "Trade Wars are good, and easy to Win - Trump"

The truth is that America knows nothing about China's technological status.
Oct 2022, they though they Annihilated China's semiconductor market, with their Chip Ban.

user posted image

3 years later, China will be number 1 in world semicon revenue. And America has no sources of Rare Earth Minerals from China anymore and now needs to resort to backstabbing/annexing their closes Allies for it.

user posted image

NASA ceased US-China collaboration in 2011
– Tiangong space station launched in 2021
- NASA begging for far-side-of-moon rocks from the CCP in 2024

user posted image

Trump started trade war in 2018
– China's trade surplus at $1 trillion in 2024


And now China is testing an EUV laser, the last Bastion of Western leadership in chip technology.


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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:26 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel...950X/4151vs4172 - Intel-Core-i9-14900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-9950X
Conclusion,

This CPU is incredibly well-placed for a refresh. The i9 14900k(640 euros) offers similar performance to the i9 13900KS(800 Euros) while being available for much less money. The new gen motherboards are also much better. So if you were thinking about getting the 13th gen i9 then the 14th gen is a no-brainer since it offers flawless performance for both gaming and productivity tasks. This is especially true since AMD's "equivalent" 7950x3d is haunted by software bugs and "features" such as needing to have Xbox game bar open 24/7 and having their motherboards overvolt and kill the CPUs.


The Ryzen 9000 CPUs have the same integrated graphics, PCIe lanes, USB support and DRAM controller as the Ryzen 7000 series. The only difference is improved cores which have moved from TSMC's 5 nm process to 4 nm. The new cores offer 15% more performance under cherry-picked conditions but for latency-sensitive workloads, like gaming, they are just few percent faster. The 9600X, 9700X, 9900X, and 9950X are priced at $280, $360, $500, and $650, respectively, making them $80-$200 USD more expensive than the 7000 series. Since the 7000 series flopped (7800X3D somewhat excluded) due to unrealistic pricing, slow boot times, high platform costs and windows gamebar requirements etc., the 9000 series is more or less DOA. ...
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Still Intel 7nm > AMD 4nm.
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QUOTE(Jazted @ Mar 15 2025, 05:14 PM)
Do you know why PC processor move to lower nm?
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Do you know why AMD's/TSMC's 4nm node Ryzen 9000 PC chips performed worse than comparable Intel's 7nm node 14th-gen PC chips, as shown in my above news link.?
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Mar 15 2025, 05:50 PM)
When China shows real planes with no data (cos Top Secret and US likes to steal), AMDKs say its fake. Fair enough, no one outside Chinese military knows the truth.
But when China shows a fake plane and says it's a fake plane, AMDK's says it's a real plane with fake stats pulak. Then accuse China of being evil by trying to pull the wool over their eyes.

Just like thinking "Trade Wars are good, and easy to Win - Trump"

The truth is that America knows nothing about China's technological status.
Oct 2022, they though they Annihilated China's semiconductor market, with their Chip Ban.

user posted image

3 years later, China will be number 1 in world semicon revenue. And America has no sources of Rare Earth Minerals from China anymore and now needs to resort to backstabbing/annexing their closes Allies for it.

user posted image

NASA ceased US-China collaboration in 2011
– Tiangong space station launched in 2021
- NASA begging for far-side-of-moon rocks from the CCP in 2024

user posted image

Trump started trade war in 2018
– China's trade surplus at $1 trillion in 2024 
And now China is testing an EUV laser, the last Bastion of Western leadership in chip technology.
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In that case, maybe Pres. Biden should have straight away ban CCP China from buying any new DUV lithography machines from ASML in 2022 = CCP China, eg SMIC, eventually could not manufacture any more semiconductors of 7nm node or higher, ie once their old DUV machines die off.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 08:08 PM)
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In that case, maybe Pres. Biden should have straight away ban CCP China from buying any new DUV lithography machines from ASML in 2022 = CCP China, eg SMIC, eventually could not manufacture any more semiconductors of 7nm node or higher, ie once their old DUV machines die off.
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That's why I said the US had/has no idea of China's capabilities. If they did then you're right, they probably would have stopped all ASML sales to China, and ASML would lose 30%-50% of its annual revenue as well. But luckily America is ruled by dumb nuts, as evidenced by the Shou Chew Tik Tok griling session.

And 2 years later China would still have developed it's own DUV lithography tool, and it's EUV 18 months after that.

You can slow the inevitable, but its coming either way.
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yay... does this mean we can get cheaper chips thanks to china's overproduction and overcapacity?

that's all I care... but please allow English version of softwares to run on all chips... pls pls pls... else life will be tough for many of us...

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:03 PM)
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AFAIK, Intel's main target market is computer desktops/workstations and laptops, often used by enterprises, programmers/developers, gamers and students, not smartphones/tablets - the latter of which preferably require EUV chip technology of 7nm nodes or lower due to their small thin size, fanlessness, need to be power-sipping (bc they are mobile  devices and battery-powered), etc.
........ IOW, Intel and AMD do not really need EUV chip technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc.

Apples and oranges.
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Can  transnational passenger aeroplanes (eg Boeing 787 and Airbus 340) and cargo ships be EV or EV-battery-powered.?
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Ok. Intel please continue make 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I'm sure AMD will be happy.

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:26 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel...950X/4151vs4172 - Intel-Core-i9-14900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-9950X
Conclusion,

This CPU is incredibly well-placed for a refresh. The i9 14900k(640 euros) offers similar performance to the i9 13900KS(800 Euros) while being available for much less money. The new gen motherboards are also much better. So if you were thinking about getting the 13th gen i9 then the 14th gen is a no-brainer since it offers flawless performance for both gaming and productivity tasks. This is especially true since AMD's "equivalent" 7950x3d is haunted by software bugs and "features" such as needing to have Xbox game bar open 24/7 and having their motherboards overvolt and kill the CPUs.


The Ryzen 9000 CPUs have the same integrated graphics, PCIe lanes, USB support and DRAM controller as the Ryzen 7000 series. The only difference is improved cores which have moved from TSMC's 5 nm process to 4 nm. The new cores offer 15% more performance under cherry-picked conditions but for latency-sensitive workloads, like gaming, they are just few percent faster. The 9600X, 9700X, 9900X, and 9950X are priced at $280, $360, $500, and $650, respectively, making them $80-$200 USD more expensive than the 7000 series. Since the 7000 series flopped (7800X3D somewhat excluded) due to unrealistic pricing, slow boot times, high platform costs and windows gamebar requirements etc., the 9000 series is more or less DOA. ...
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Still Intel 7nm > AMD 4nm.
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QUOTE(skeith @ Mar 15 2025, 09:36 PM)
Ok. Intel please continue make 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I'm sure AMD will be happy.
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Intel's 13th-gen and 14th-gen processors are 7nm node, not 14nm.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 14 2025, 06:09 PM)
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So, CCP China will soon interdict the Los Angeles-Singapore flights by American Airlines and United Airlines.?
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No....Of course China has no gut to do so. Try if is Malaysia.
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china can fab intel chips 1/2 the price from TSMC to kill Taiwan economy
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:26 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel...950X/4151vs4172 - Intel-Core-i9-14900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-9950X
Conclusion,

This CPU is incredibly well-placed for a refresh. The i9 14900k(640 euros) offers similar performance to the i9 13900KS(800 Euros) while being available for much less money. The new gen motherboards are also much better. So if you were thinking about getting the 13th gen i9 then the 14th gen is a no-brainer since it offers flawless performance for both gaming and productivity tasks. This is especially true since AMD's "equivalent" 7950x3d is haunted by software bugs and "features" such as needing to have Xbox game bar open 24/7 and having their motherboards overvolt and kill the CPUs.


The Ryzen 9000 CPUs have the same integrated graphics, PCIe lanes, USB support and DRAM controller as the Ryzen 7000 series. The only difference is improved cores which have moved from TSMC's 5 nm process to 4 nm. The new cores offer 15% more performance under cherry-picked conditions but for latency-sensitive workloads, like gaming, they are just few percent faster. The 9600X, 9700X, 9900X, and 9950X are priced at $280, $360, $500, and $650, respectively, making them $80-$200 USD more expensive than the 7000 series. Since the 7000 series flopped (7800X3D somewhat excluded) due to unrealistic pricing, slow boot times, high platform costs and windows gamebar requirements etc., the 9000 series is more or less DOA. ...
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Still Intel 7nm > AMD 4nm.
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sohai, quote userbenchmarks....
bodo just keep quiet la....

Even intel also dismiss userbenchmarks

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 10:19 PM)
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Intel's 13th-gen and 14th-gen processors are 7nm node, not 14nm.
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did you forget to upgrade your search engine? lol
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 10:19 PM)
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Intel's 13th-gen and 14th-gen processors are 7nm node, not 14nm.
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bodo, dont keep showing bodo.



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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:26 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel...950X/4151vs4172 - Intel-Core-i9-14900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-9950X
Conclusion,

This CPU is incredibly well-placed for a refresh. The i9 14900k(640 euros) offers similar performance to the i9 13900KS(800 Euros) while being available for much less money. The new gen motherboards are also much better. So if you were thinking about getting the 13th gen i9 then the 14th gen is a no-brainer since it offers flawless performance for both gaming and productivity tasks. This is especially true since AMD's "equivalent" 7950x3d is haunted by software bugs and "features" such as needing to have Xbox game bar open 24/7 and having their motherboards overvolt and kill the CPUs.


The Ryzen 9000 CPUs have the same integrated graphics, PCIe lanes, USB support and DRAM controller as the Ryzen 7000 series. The only difference is improved cores which have moved from TSMC's 5 nm process to 4 nm. The new cores offer 15% more performance under cherry-picked conditions but for latency-sensitive workloads, like gaming, they are just few percent faster. The 9600X, 9700X, 9900X, and 9950X are priced at $280, $360, $500, and $650, respectively, making them $80-$200 USD more expensive than the 7000 series. Since the 7000 series flopped (7800X3D somewhat excluded) due to unrealistic pricing, slow boot times, high platform costs and windows gamebar requirements etc., the 9000 series is more or less DOA. ...
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Still Intel 7nm > AMD 4nm.
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QUOTE(Porkycorgi5588 @ Mar 15 2025, 11:00 PM)
sohai, quote userbenchmarks....
bodo just keep quiet la....

Even intel also dismiss userbenchmarks

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Fyi, .......

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...-14900k-faceoff - AMD Ryzen 9 9950X vs Intel Core i9-14900K Faceoff
By Hassam Nasir published October 23, 2024
AMD Zen 5 vs Raptor Lake Refresh, Fight!

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Winner: Intel

Taking all the categories into account, the Intel Core i9-14900K wins this faceoff with a final score of 4-3. AMD managed to put up a respectable fight, but the new architecture does not have the gaming horsepower to justify the additional costs.

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025 @ 10:19 PM)
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Intel's 13th-gen and 14th-gen processors are 7nm node, not 14nm.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 15 2025, 11:02 PM)
did you forget to upgrade your search engine? lol
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QUOTE(Porkycorgi5588 @ Mar 15 2025, 11:03 PM)
bodo, dont keep showing bodo.
user posted image

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:03 PM)
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AFAIK, Intel's main target market is computer desktops/workstations and laptops, often used by enterprises, programmers/developers, gamers and students, not smartphones/tablets - the latter of which preferably require EUV chip technology of 7nm nodes or lower due to their small thin size, fanlessness, need to be power-sipping (bc they are mobile  devices and battery-powered), etc.
........ IOW, Intel and AMD do not really need EUV chip technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc.

Apples and oranges.
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Can  transnational passenger aeroplanes (eg Boeing 787 and Airbus 340) and cargo ships be EV or EV-battery-powered.?
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Fyi, .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor_Lake
Raptor Lake is Intel's codename for the 13th and 14th generations of Intel Core processors based on a hybrid architecture, utilizing Raptor Cove performance cores and Gracemont efficient cores.[3][4][5] Like Alder Lake, Raptor Lake is fabricated using Intel's Intel 7 process. ...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_nm_process
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On July 26, 2021, Intel announced their new manufacturing roadmap, renaming all of their future process nodes.[27] Intel's "10nm" Enhanced SuperFin (10ESF), which was roughly equivalent to TSMC's N7 process, would thenceforth be known as "Intel 7", while their earlier "7nm" process would erstwhile be called "Intel 4".[27][38] As a result, Intel's first processors based on Intel 7 were at that time planned to have started shipping by the second half of 2022,[needs update] whereas Intel announced earlier that they were planning to have launched "7nm" processors in 2023.[39] ...
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Process nodes and process offerings

The naming of process nodes by 4 different manufacturers (TSMC, Samsung, SMIC, Intel) is partially marketing-driven and not directly related to any measurable distance on a chip – for example TSMC's "7nm" node was previously similar in some key dimensions to Intel's planned first-iteration "10nm" node, before Intel released further iterations, culminating in "10nm Enhanced SuperFin", which was later renamed to "Intel 7" for marketing reasons.[76][77] ...
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Intel's new "Intel 7" process, previously known as "10nm Enhanced SuperFin" (10ESF), is based on its previous "10nm" node. The node will feature a 10-15% increase in performance per watt. Meanwhile, their old "7nm" process, now called "Intel 4", was at that time expected to have been released in 2023.[101][needs update] Few details about the "Intel 4" node had at that time been made public, although its transistor density had at that time been estimated to be at least 202 million transistors per square millimeter.[27][102][needs update] As of 2020, Intel had been experiencing problems with its "Intel 4" process to the point of outsourcing production of its Ponte Vecchio GPUs.[103][104]

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Fyi, .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor_Lake
Raptor Lake is Intel's codename for the 13th and 14th generations of Intel Core processors based on a hybrid architecture, utilizing Raptor Cove performance cores and Gracemont efficient cores.[3][4][5] Like Alder Lake, Raptor Lake is fabricated using Intel's Intel 7 process. ...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_nm_process
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On July 26, 2021, Intel announced their new manufacturing roadmap, renaming all of their future process nodes.[27] Intel's "10nm" Enhanced SuperFin (10ESF), which was roughly equivalent to TSMC's N7 process, would thenceforth be known as "Intel 7", while their earlier "7nm" process would erstwhile be called "Intel 4".[27][38] As a result, Intel's first processors based on Intel 7 were at that time planned to have started shipping by the second half of 2022,[needs update] whereas Intel announced earlier that they were planning to have launched "7nm" processors in 2023.[39] ...
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Process nodes and process offerings

The naming of process nodes by 4 different manufacturers (TSMC, Samsung, SMIC, Intel) is partially marketing-driven and not directly related to any measurable distance on a chip – for example TSMC's "7nm" node was previously similar in some key dimensions to Intel's planned first-iteration "10nm" node, before Intel released further iterations, culminating in "10nm Enhanced SuperFin", which was later renamed to "Intel 7" for marketing reasons.[76][77] ...
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Intel's new "Intel 7" process, previously known as "10nm Enhanced SuperFin" (10ESF), is based on its previous "10nm" node. The node will feature a 10-15% increase in performance per watt. Meanwhile, their old "7nm" process, now called "Intel 4", was at that time expected to have been released in 2023.[101][needs update] Few details about the "Intel 4" node had at that time been made public, although its transistor density had at that time been estimated to be at least 202 million transistors per square millimeter.[27][102][needs update] As of 2020, Intel had been experiencing problems with its "Intel 4" process to the point of outsourcing production of its Ponte Vecchio GPUs.[103][104]

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like I said, its time you upgrade your search engine... or ai chat bot... no need to be stuborn one...

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:26 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel...950X/4151vs4172 - Intel-Core-i9-14900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-9950X
Conclusion,

This CPU is incredibly well-placed for a refresh. The i9 14900k(640 euros) offers similar performance to the i9 13900KS(800 Euros) while being available for much less money. The new gen motherboards are also much better. So if you were thinking about getting the 13th gen i9 then the 14th gen is a no-brainer since it offers flawless performance for both gaming and productivity tasks. This is especially true since AMD's "equivalent" 7950x3d is haunted by software bugs and "features" such as needing to have Xbox game bar open 24/7 and having their motherboards overvolt and kill the CPUs.


The Ryzen 9000 CPUs have the same integrated graphics, PCIe lanes, USB support and DRAM controller as the Ryzen 7000 series. The only difference is improved cores which have moved from TSMC's 5 nm process to 4 nm. The new cores offer 15% more performance under cherry-picked conditions but for latency-sensitive workloads, like gaming, they are just few percent faster. The 9600X, 9700X, 9900X, and 9950X are priced at $280, $360, $500, and $650, respectively, making them $80-$200 USD more expensive than the 7000 series. Since the 7000 series flopped (7800X3D somewhat excluded) due to unrealistic pricing, slow boot times, high platform costs and windows gamebar requirements etc., the 9000 series is more or less DOA. ...
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Still Intel 7nm > AMD 4nm.
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 11:55 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...-14900k-faceoff - AMD Ryzen 9 9950X vs Intel Core i9-14900K Faceoff
By Hassam Nasir published October 23, 2024
AMD Zen 5 vs Raptor Lake Refresh, Fight!

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Winner: Intel

Taking all the categories into account, the Intel Core i9-14900K wins this faceoff with a final score of 4-3. AMD managed to put up a respectable fight, but the new architecture does not have the gaming horsepower to justify the additional costs.

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 16 2025, 12:12 AM)
like I said, its time you upgrade your search engine... or ai chat bot... no need to be stuborn one...
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/21524/the-am...9900x-review/14 - The AMD Ryzen 9 9950X and Ryzen 9 9900X Review: Flagship Zen 5 Soars - and Stalls
by Gavin Bonshor on August 14, 2024 9:00 AM EST

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Conclusion

... Unfortunately, the issues we experienced with the PPM Provisioning driver, despite following all of AMD's guidelines and then some, has undermined this launch. So far we've seen core parking cause quite a few issues in performance, most notably in gaming. If it was an issue limited to just our testing, that could be negated, but having checked with a few of our colleagues, it looks to be a widespread issue. Something just doesn't seem to be working in the core parking department, as we ourselves have observed random cores from the parked CCX firing up randomly and taking game threads with them, and this in itself seems in defiance of what AMD is trying to achieve by running gaming workloads within a single CCX.

For now, the Ryzen 9 9950X/9900X seem like fine chips for highly threaded productivity workloads. They're just not delivering the correct behavior for games. In the meantime, we'll be continuing to look into the issue, and should AMD deliver an update that fixes Ryzen 9000's core parking behavior, we will reevaluate these chips accordingly.

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Will Intel's 15th-gen Arrow Lake processors using TSMC's 6nm and 3nm nodes have issues like AMD Ryzen 9000 series (Zen 5) processors which use TSMC's 4nm node.? Eg .......

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cpu/amd...ntil-august-now - AMD delays Ryzen 9000 due to last-minute discovery of problems with some CPUs – launch won’t happen until August now
By Darren Allan published 25 July 2024

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https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-no...lure-incidents/ - AMD’s Ryzen 7 9800X3D Now Experiencing Widespread “CPU Failure” Incidents; Problem More Common On ASRock Motherboards
Muhammad Zuhair
Feb 24, 2025 at 01:39pm EST


https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...-about-failures - ASRock issues BIOS update to address Ryzen 9 9800X3D failures, warns of 'misinformation' about failures
By Sayem Ahmed published February 25, 2025
The beta BIOS claims to improve 'CPU boot' issues.

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:03 PM)
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AFAIK, Intel's main target market is computer desktops/workstations and laptops, often used by enterprises, programmers/developers, gamers and students, not smartphones/tablets - the latter of which preferably require EUV chip technology of 7nm nodes or lower due to their small thin size, fanlessness, need to be power-sipping (bc they are mobile  devices and battery-powered), etc.
........ IOW, Intel and AMD do not really need EUV chip technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc.

Apples and oranges.
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Can  transnational passenger aeroplanes (eg Boeing 787 and Airbus 340) and cargo ships be EV or EV-battery-powered.?
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bodo, dont keep showing bodo.
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My highlighted statement above exclude some mobile x-86 laptops which may need to be mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, lightweight/thin, fanless, etc.

AFAIK, EUV lithography to manufacture processors at <7nm node is very complex and prone to various issues/errors. In the future, there may be a more efficient way to manufacture processors at <7nm node, eg more advanced DUV lithography. Today DUV can only manufacture down to 7nm node, eg by CCP China's SMIC and USA's Intel. .......

https://semiengineering.com/euvs-future-looks-even-brighter/ - EUV’s Future Looks Even Brighter
Demand for AI chips is growing exponentially, but costs and complexity limit the technology to a handful of companies. That could soon change.

FEBRUARY 20TH, 2025 - BY: GREGORY HALEY

The rapidly increasing demand for advanced-node chips to support everything-AI is putting pressure on the industry’s ability to meet demand. ....

Since the first commercial EUV chips rolled off the line in 2019, steady improvements in equipment, mask generation, and resist technologies have stabilized the technology. But while yields are improving, they still lag behind more mature lithography techniques.

Process stability requires constant vigilance and fine-tuning. In the case of EUV, it also requires a huge investment for power generation, equipment, and consumables. Today, those costs remain a barrier to widespread adoption. ...

“Fab productivity depends on multiple factors — throughput, process efficiency, and accurate pattern transfer,” said Dinesh Bettadapur, CEO of Irresistible Materials. “Reducing exposure dose, improving resist sensitivity, and minimizing defects are all critical factors in making EUV more cost-effective at scale.” ...


Is AI and its <7nm node processors via EUV really needed for most computer users in the world.? Is AI mostly a marketing hype, eg to hype up Nvidia share price.? Eg .......
- China's Robot False Advertising: Man Spends $43K on Unitree's Top Robot, Claims Scam - 1 day ago
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P S - Intel has recently lost out to AMD in the PC/computer market likely because of the marketing hype by AMD Ryzen 9000 Series' "cutting edge" 4nm node (Zen5) processors from TSMC, eg consumers being scammed into thinking AMD 4nm > Intel 7nm, ie AMD processors give 43% (= 3/7X100%) better performance.
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China's domestically developed laser weapon shot down 13 enemy drones in a single engagement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1w1E_Uv0dE

tested by saudi .shot down 13 houthi rebel drones in a single engagement.CHINA is the laser kingpin .

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QUOTE(issac99289928 @ Mar 17 2025, 09:58 AM)
China's domestically developed laser weapon shot down 13 enemy drones in a single engagement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1w1E_Uv0dE

tested by saudi .shot down 13 houthi rebel drones in a single engagement.CHINA is the laser kingpin .
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Your video link looks like AI generated = FAKE video.?
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Please show proof that China's domestically developed laser weapon shot down 13 enemy drones in a single engagement, .... tested by Saudi, shot down 13 Houthi rebel drones in a single engagement.

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P S - Notice that in the above post by 'issac', he wrote China - saudi - houthi- CHINA = he disrespected non-CCP China countries or people.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 17 2025, 12:42 PM)
Your video link looks like AI generated = FAKE video.?
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Please show proof that China's domestically developed laser weapon shot down 13 enemy drones in a single engagement, .... tested by Saudi, shot down 13 Houthi rebel drones in a single engagement.

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P S - Notice that in the above post by 'issac', he wrote China - saudi - houthi- CHINA = he disrespected non-CCP China countries or people.
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I don't know what is wrong with you . YOU have serious judgemental issues . google the news yourself.
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 10 2025, 08:18 PM)
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AFAIK, nearly ALL those who became top billionaires in China have close ties with CCP China, eg .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Huateng - Tencent/Wechat
Politics

According to the official Tencent website, Ma is a deputy to the 5th Shenzhen Municipal People's Congress and served in the 12th National People's Congress.

Speaking of censorship at a technology conference in Singapore, Ma was quoted as saying: "In terms of information security management, online companies from any country must abide by a defined set of criteria, and act responsibly. Otherwise it might lead to hearsay, libel and argument among citizens—not to mention between countries. That's why the need for online management is increasingly urgent."

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren_Zhengfei - Huawei
... his elder brother became a member of the CCP in 1958 ...

In 1974, in order to build for industrial modernization, he established Liaoyang Petrochemical Fiber General Factory in Liaoyang.

In the same year, Ren was drafted into the army and joined the 22nd detachment of the Infrastructure Engineering Corps of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA). He served as a technician and engineer, working on automation processes in the chemical industry. While serving in the PLA, Ren extensively studied Mao Zedong's writings, particularly Quotations of Chairman Mao and Selected Works of Mao Zedong.:  He received several awards for his proficiency and excellence in Maoist theory. 

In March 1978, 33-year-old Ren went to Beijing to attend the National Science Conference, which was attended by more than 6000 delegates. The same year, Ren joined the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). ...


= no person in China can become very rich businessmen without strong political connections to the CCP, ie guanxi = 关系 .
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QUOTE(brian81st @ Mar 10 2025, 08:51 PM)
the ccp like to elect a business man once he or she becomes successful in the his field, ccp view this as he/she is expert in that field, therefore his/her view will is much more valueble because of his/her insight. similarly jackie chan is also ccp elected member due to his success in entertainment industry. so government will take their view more seriously. They dont become ccp elected member first before this. so their success in the first place was not due to connection with ccp. which is similar like what a think tank does, many government around the world would assembly successful business people and get their insight and views. this is not something rare. so does they have special power within the party, no, as you can see from previous leaders and the politburo, normally are people had been in the political field/government.

Ren was in an army as the technician, and he retired from army. similarly as a US veteren that had been retired, let say he start a business from scratch, and later become successful in his business. Can i just ignore his effort, and just mentioned ohh, he is linked with the government , because he was a retired veteren, that is why he is so successful?

Ren went thru stages, i remember there was a period in time where he was not doing very well, in business, and he had to sell fire extinguisher, simply because there is not enough sales and profits to maintain the company.

if he was government linked in the first place, shouldnt he be able to at least get millions worth of government project first even with 2 dollar pay up capital and with no experience. then he would be able to rent or buy a large office.
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Fyi, .......

https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-my/%E9%A9%AC%E5%8C%96%E8%85%BE - Google Translated:
Ma Huateng - Tencent/Wechat

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Family members

Father: Ma Chenshu, a member of the Communist Party of China , a cadre who went south, with secondary technical school education, economist, served as accountant, statistician, chief of the planning department, deputy director of the Hainan Basuo Port Authority of the Ministry of Transport, manager and general manager of the Finance and Planning Department of Shenzhen Shipping Corporation, deputy commander-in-chief of the Shenzhen Yantian Port Construction Command, deputy general manager of Shenzhen Yantian Port Group Co., Ltd., was elected as a director of the Yantian Port listed company in 1997, and is now retired. ...

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Similarly for some CCP politicians or power-grabbers, eg Xi Jinping is a princeling whose meteoric rise to the pinnacle of power, was under the nepotism of his father, .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Zhongxun
Xi Zhongxun
习仲勋


Vice Chairperson of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress
In office
September 10, 1980 – February 25, 1983
In office
April 27, 1988 – March 27, 1993

Party Secretary of Guangdong
In office
November 1978 – November 1980
Preceded by Wei Guoqing
Succeeded by Ren Zhongyi

Governor of Guangdong
In office
January 1979 – February 1981
Preceded by Wei Guoqing
(as Director of the Guangdong Provincial Revolutionary Committee)
Succeeded by Liu Tianfu

1st Secretary-General of the State Council
In office

September 1954 – January 1965
Premier Zhou Enlai
Succeeded by Zhou Rongxin

Vice Premier of China
In office
April 1959 – January 1965
Premier Zhou Enlai

Head of the Publicity Department of the Chinese Communist Party
In office

January 1953 – July 1954
Party Chairman Mao Zedong
Preceded by Lu Dingyi
Succeeded by Lu Dingyi ...


= Xi Jinping's father was a close comrade of Liu Shaoqi, Zhou Enlai and Deng Xiaopeng. Like Xi Zhongxun, Liu (died) and Deng were also "purged" by the power-grabbing Mao Zedong during the 1966-76 Cultural Revolution.

So, Xi Jinping brooks no contenders to his "throne or emperorship", ie no opportunity for another Mao to grab power from him, eg his anti-corruption campaign is mainly to root out his political contenders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princelings
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