the problems is japan, s korea, taiwan also start by copying western. but they didnt voice out their complains. this is really double standard hypocrisy.

Japan copy and becomes successful, omg Japan people and government are so good.
China copy and becomes successful, omg, the china people and the government are evil.

on normal Asia mentality, we dont really care so much about copy, that is why pirated are quite rampant and counterfeit product which is openly selling in petaling street.

Vietnam, india, indonesia, malaysia, thailand also copy too, just not as successful as others.

They do have it in a way. but just that they do it behind closed doors, you can see the in fighting within the party, if you are see past the image they project. Although, ccp may seems like a party, but actually they have a few faction, each faction is bigger thann umno itself. Like pkr also have like different faction.

Looking at history, all the previous leaders, deng, jiang , hu , and currently xi all came from different faction. so techinically, the power already switch power peacefully from 1 faction to another 1 thru out history. this is sort of like democracy in a way.

the most important thing to the chinese in china is stability. and can cari makan. that is the reason why if you speak the the people there, huge majority of them does really support their government, not because of brainwash or propoganda. You can also see from many china citizen that studied oversea in US, Aus, UK, they have been educated in western education and society, but still huge majority of them does support their government.

Look at the chinese in malaysia, majority dont really care who is the government , as long as they can cari makan.

similarly, Vance also critic all the EU country regarding freedom of speech. during the protest in UK, a lot of people also are arrested due to facebook comments. one of the case i remember is 4-5 years for a facebook post, for a non violence post.

If china people think their system works for them and are happy with it, who are outsider to comment on this?

in fighting does happen within the CCP, just much more subtle. Quite fascinating, if you know where to look for it, the previous leader or current leader will write something in a state media column, saying some thing like a piece of memory with his mother, but actually it was condemn to some of xi actions.

actually xi was almost had to step down after his response for covid, but in the end, he won. not many knows about this.

but currently due to xi is consolidating more power, CCP is actually on uncharted water, so we will see how things goes if the system can correct itself.

Thru out the history, it shows that the system is working, because you dont see a leader passing on his power or influence to his son or daughters.

which is weird btw, the one of reason democracy exist is to stop monarch system which is a man of power passing on his power to his son, but you can find many examples of this happen in democracy system, even in malaysia, singapore, phillipines, US, the worst is sri lanka, which the brother, sister, nephew , son, son in law all held post as minister in the government.

for freedom of speech, you can condemn the government, the government actually takes in feedback from the public very frequently. CCP place high priority to survey done by local institution and foreign institution on satisfaction level and comments for local government and central government all year round. All the survey are taken in without siding to neither side of narrative, because each factions can use the result of the survey as a weapon to fight other faction.

yes, previously hukou system was very restrictive, does hinders some of the development is the old times.
but the government actually make a lot of changes thru out history, and now if you have a rural hukou, it is much more valuable than urban hukou nowadays. The government system is very dynamic, and a lot of changes has been taken place, which is one of the main reason why you can start to see some kind of innovation taken place.

In previous year, each city will release a certain quota on which you can change your rural hukou to urban hukou, in the past usually all the quota will be snatched up, but these recent years, all the quota for urban hukou are not filled up, because rural hukou more value nowadays due to rural hukou, the government will give out lands, which if there is development, you can get a compensation.

if you look at ali baba, ma yun also started out as a poor teacher.
huawei first office was actually in an small apartment, because ren zeng fei, could not afford to rent an office.

bytedance owner also comes from a normal family background.

Lei Jun of xiaomi was born on 16 December 1969 in the city of Xiantao, Hubei, China. Both of his parents were teachers, which was a disgraced profession after the Cultural Revolution;[3] his father made $7 per month.

to see if a country is more corrupt than others, one of the metric that i use is look at the top 10 richest people in that particular country. If that country top 10 is mostly comes from real estate (which you need to get cheap lands from government), or telco (which you need to get special licence from government), oil & gas (which you need to get licence from government), which means that country is quite corrupt.
comparably you can look at US top 10.
Elon Musk: $244 billion, wealth from Tesla and SpaceX
Jeff Bezos: $197 billion, wealth from Amazon
Mark Zuckerberg: $181 billion, wealth from Meta
Larry Ellison: $175 billion, wealth from Oracle
Warren Buffett: $150 billion, wealth from Berkshire Hathaway
Larry Page: $136 billion, wealth from Alphabet
Sergey Brin: $130 billion, wealth from Alphabet
Steve Ballmer: $123 billion, wealth from Microsoft
Bill Gates: $107 billion, wealth from Microsoft
Michael Bloomberg: $105 billion, wealth from Bloomberg L.P.

china top 10
Zhong Shanshan: $50.8 billion nong fu
Ma Huateng: $46.8 billion wechat
Zhang Yiming: $45.6 billion bytedance
Colin Huang: $43.9 billion PDD
Robin Zeng: $37.1 billion CATL
He Xiangjian: $28.6 billion Midea
William Ding: $27.4 billion netease
Jack Ma: $25.2 billion ali baba
Wang Chuanfu: $22.8 billion BYD
Lei Jun: $19.9 billion xiaomi

India top 10
1 Mukesh Ambani Increase 116 billion Reliance Industries Oil & gas, telco
2 Gautam Adani Increase 84 billion Adani Group Port operator, power
3 Shiv Nadar Increase 36.9 billion HCL Technologies IT services and consulting
4 Savitri Jindal Increase 33.5 billion JSW Group (previously was minister in india)
5 Dilip Shanghvi Increase 26.7 billion Sun Pharmaceutical Industries Pharmaceuticals
6 Cyrus Poonawalla Decrease 21.3 billion Serum Institute of India Vaccines
7 Kushal Pal Singh Increase 20.9 billion DLF Real estate
8 Kumar Mangalam Birla Increase 19.7 billion Aditya Birla Group Textiles, telco, cement
9 Radhakishan Damani Increase 17.6 billion Avenue Supermarts, DMart Investments, retail
10 Lakshmi Mittal Decrease 16.4 billion ArcelorMittal Steel

mexico top 10
Carlos Slim - US$93.0 billion - Telco
Germán Larrea Mota-Velasco - US$26.6 billion - Mining
Ricardo Salinas Pliego - US$10.9 billion -Telco
Daniel Servitje - US$7.7 billion - food processing
Alejandro Baillères - US$6.9 billion - insurance
Olegario Vázquez Aldir - US$6.4 billion - hotels, media
María Asunción Aramburuzabala - US$6.2 billion - Grupo Modelo
Eva Gonda de Rivera - US$5.8 billion - FEMSA
Juan Domingo Beckmann - US$4.5 billion - José Cuervo
Jerónimo Arango - US$4.4 billion - Walmart de México y Centroamérica

if you notice that the top 10 richest in US and China, is fairly similar. none of them are in the industry where you need a special licence from the government which a normal people cant get access to.

Can a normal person open a telco company and get telco license from government without some connection?

if you look at the list even India billionaire are richer than china billionaire, while china gdp is 5 times of india gdp.

China and US billionaire are quite young compare to other countries.

the ccp like to elect a business man once he or she becomes successful in the his field, ccp view this as he/she is expert in that field, therefore his/her view will is much more valueble because of his/her insight. similarly jackie chan is also ccp elected member due to his success in entertainment industry. so government will take their view more seriously. They dont become ccp elected member first before this. so their success in the first place was not due to connection with ccp. which is similar like what a think tank does, many government around the world would assembly successful business people and get their insight and views. this is not something rare. so does they have special power within the party, no, as you can see from previous leaders and the politburo, normally are people had been in the political field/government.

Ren was in an army as the technician, and he retired from army. similarly as a US veteren that had been retired, let say he start a business from scratch, and later become successful in his business. Can i just ignore his effort, and just mentioned ohh, he is linked with the government , because he was a retired veteren, that is why he is so successful?

Ren went thru stages, i remember there was a period in time where he was not doing very well, in business, and he had to sell fire extinguisher, simply because there is not enough sales and profits to maintain the company.

if he was government linked in the first place, shouldnt he be able to at least get millions worth of government project first even with 2 dollar pay up capital and with no experience. then he would be able to rent or buy a large office.

Tencent nearly went bankrupt in 2001. why didnt the government help? and had to sell close to 50% of the company to foreign company?
The company remained unprofitable for the first three years.
South African media company Naspers purchased a 46.5% share of Tencent in 2001.

since you mentioned that tencent is linked with ccp? so ccp not scared tencent fall to foreign company?
doesnt really looks like a ccp linked company if the company nearly went bankrupt and had to sell close to 50% of company shares to foreign owners. so why didnt the father use his connection with ccp for help? you do know ccp have like 99 mil members right?

does that means that if i join pkr member, government/anwar will give government project to me? wow, thanks man, i didnt know that.

This post has been edited by brian81st: Mar 11 2025, 01:28 AM

why the father never use ccp to give the son subsidies? but the son have to sell 50% of company to foreigner company in 2001? should be easy right , since is top dog as you mentioned?

This post has been edited by brian81st: Mar 11 2025, 03:38 PM