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did you forget to upgrade your search engine? lolBREAK: China Finally Has EUV Machine
BREAK: China Finally Has EUV Machine
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Mar 15 2025, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:26 PM) . Fyi, ....... https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel...950X/4151vs4172 - Intel-Core-i9-14900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-9950X Conclusion, This CPU is incredibly well-placed for a refresh. The i9 14900k(640 euros) offers similar performance to the i9 13900KS(800 Euros) while being available for much less money. The new gen motherboards are also much better. So if you were thinking about getting the 13th gen i9 then the 14th gen is a no-brainer since it offers flawless performance for both gaming and productivity tasks. This is especially true since AMD's "equivalent" 7950x3d is haunted by software bugs and "features" such as needing to have Xbox game bar open 24/7 and having their motherboards overvolt and kill the CPUs. The Ryzen 9000 CPUs have the same integrated graphics, PCIe lanes, USB support and DRAM controller as the Ryzen 7000 series. The only difference is improved cores which have moved from TSMC's 5 nm process to 4 nm. The new cores offer 15% more performance under cherry-picked conditions but for latency-sensitive workloads, like gaming, they are just few percent faster. The 9600X, 9700X, 9900X, and 9950X are priced at $280, $360, $500, and $650, respectively, making them $80-$200 USD more expensive than the 7000 series. Since the 7000 series flopped (7800X3D somewhat excluded) due to unrealistic pricing, slow boot times, high platform costs and windows gamebar requirements etc., the 9000 series is more or less DOA. ... . Still Intel 7nm > AMD 4nm. . QUOTE(Porkycorgi5588 @ Mar 15 2025, 11:00 PM) .Fyi, ....... https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...-14900k-faceoff - AMD Ryzen 9 9950X vs Intel Core i9-14900K Faceoff By Hassam Nasir published October 23, 2024 AMD Zen 5 vs Raptor Lake Refresh, Fight! .... Winner: Intel Taking all the categories into account, the Intel Core i9-14900K wins this faceoff with a final score of 4-3. AMD managed to put up a respectable fight, but the new architecture does not have the gaming horsepower to justify the additional costs. . |
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Mar 16 2025, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025 @ 10:19 PM) . Intel's 13th-gen and 14th-gen processors are 7nm node, not 14nm. . QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 15 2025, 11:02 PM) QUOTE(Porkycorgi5588 @ Mar 15 2025, 11:03 PM) QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:03 PM) . .AFAIK, Intel's main target market is computer desktops/workstations and laptops, often used by enterprises, programmers/developers, gamers and students, not smartphones/tablets - the latter of which preferably require EUV chip technology of 7nm nodes or lower due to their small thin size, fanlessness, need to be power-sipping (bc they are mobile devices and battery-powered), etc. ........ IOW, Intel and AMD do not really need EUV chip technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc. Apples and oranges. . Can transnational passenger aeroplanes (eg Boeing 787 and Airbus 340) and cargo ships be EV or EV-battery-powered.? . Fyi, ....... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor_Lake Raptor Lake is Intel's codename for the 13th and 14th generations of Intel Core processors based on a hybrid architecture, utilizing Raptor Cove performance cores and Gracemont efficient cores.[3][4][5] Like Alder Lake, Raptor Lake is fabricated using Intel's Intel 7 process. ... . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_nm_process .... On July 26, 2021, Intel announced their new manufacturing roadmap, renaming all of their future process nodes.[27] Intel's "10nm" Enhanced SuperFin (10ESF), which was roughly equivalent to TSMC's N7 process, would thenceforth be known as "Intel 7", while their earlier "7nm" process would erstwhile be called "Intel 4".[27][38] As a result, Intel's first processors based on Intel 7 were at that time planned to have started shipping by the second half of 2022,[needs update] whereas Intel announced earlier that they were planning to have launched "7nm" processors in 2023.[39] ... . Process nodes and process offerings The naming of process nodes by 4 different manufacturers (TSMC, Samsung, SMIC, Intel) is partially marketing-driven and not directly related to any measurable distance on a chip – for example TSMC's "7nm" node was previously similar in some key dimensions to Intel's planned first-iteration "10nm" node, before Intel released further iterations, culminating in "10nm Enhanced SuperFin", which was later renamed to "Intel 7" for marketing reasons.[76][77] ... . Intel's new "Intel 7" process, previously known as "10nm Enhanced SuperFin" (10ESF), is based on its previous "10nm" node. The node will feature a 10-15% increase in performance per watt. Meanwhile, their old "7nm" process, now called "Intel 4", was at that time expected to have been released in 2023.[101][needs update] Few details about the "Intel 4" node had at that time been made public, although its transistor density had at that time been estimated to be at least 202 million transistors per square millimeter.[27][102][needs update] As of 2020, Intel had been experiencing problems with its "Intel 4" process to the point of outsourcing production of its Ponte Vecchio GPUs.[103][104] . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 16 2025, 01:19 AM |
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 16 2025, 12:11 AM) . like I said, its time you upgrade your search engine... or ai chat bot... no need to be stuborn one... Fyi, ....... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor_Lake Raptor Lake is Intel's codename for the 13th and 14th generations of Intel Core processors based on a hybrid architecture, utilizing Raptor Cove performance cores and Gracemont efficient cores.[3][4][5] Like Alder Lake, Raptor Lake is fabricated using Intel's Intel 7 process. ... . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_nm_process .... On July 26, 2021, Intel announced their new manufacturing roadmap, renaming all of their future process nodes.[27] Intel's "10nm" Enhanced SuperFin (10ESF), which was roughly equivalent to TSMC's N7 process, would thenceforth be known as "Intel 7", while their earlier "7nm" process would erstwhile be called "Intel 4".[27][38] As a result, Intel's first processors based on Intel 7 were at that time planned to have started shipping by the second half of 2022,[needs update] whereas Intel announced earlier that they were planning to have launched "7nm" processors in 2023.[39] ... . Process nodes and process offerings The naming of process nodes by 4 different manufacturers (TSMC, Samsung, SMIC, Intel) is partially marketing-driven and not directly related to any measurable distance on a chip – for example TSMC's "7nm" node was previously similar in some key dimensions to Intel's planned first-iteration "10nm" node, before Intel released further iterations, culminating in "10nm Enhanced SuperFin", which was later renamed to "Intel 7" for marketing reasons.[76][77] ... . Intel's new "Intel 7" process, previously known as "10nm Enhanced SuperFin" (10ESF), is based on its previous "10nm" node. The node will feature a 10-15% increase in performance per watt. Meanwhile, their old "7nm" process, now called "Intel 4", was at that time expected to have been released in 2023.[101][needs update] Few details about the "Intel 4" node had at that time been made public, although its transistor density had at that time been estimated to be at least 202 million transistors per square millimeter.[27][102][needs update] As of 2020, Intel had been experiencing problems with its "Intel 4" process to the point of outsourcing production of its Ponte Vecchio GPUs.[103][104] . |
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Mar 16 2025, 12:55 AM
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:26 PM) . Fyi, ....... https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel...950X/4151vs4172 - Intel-Core-i9-14900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-9950X Conclusion, This CPU is incredibly well-placed for a refresh. The i9 14900k(640 euros) offers similar performance to the i9 13900KS(800 Euros) while being available for much less money. The new gen motherboards are also much better. So if you were thinking about getting the 13th gen i9 then the 14th gen is a no-brainer since it offers flawless performance for both gaming and productivity tasks. This is especially true since AMD's "equivalent" 7950x3d is haunted by software bugs and "features" such as needing to have Xbox game bar open 24/7 and having their motherboards overvolt and kill the CPUs. The Ryzen 9000 CPUs have the same integrated graphics, PCIe lanes, USB support and DRAM controller as the Ryzen 7000 series. The only difference is improved cores which have moved from TSMC's 5 nm process to 4 nm. The new cores offer 15% more performance under cherry-picked conditions but for latency-sensitive workloads, like gaming, they are just few percent faster. The 9600X, 9700X, 9900X, and 9950X are priced at $280, $360, $500, and $650, respectively, making them $80-$200 USD more expensive than the 7000 series. Since the 7000 series flopped (7800X3D somewhat excluded) due to unrealistic pricing, slow boot times, high platform costs and windows gamebar requirements etc., the 9000 series is more or less DOA. ... . Still Intel 7nm > AMD 4nm. . QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 11:55 PM) . Fyi, ....... https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...-14900k-faceoff - AMD Ryzen 9 9950X vs Intel Core i9-14900K Faceoff By Hassam Nasir published October 23, 2024 AMD Zen 5 vs Raptor Lake Refresh, Fight! .... Winner: Intel Taking all the categories into account, the Intel Core i9-14900K wins this faceoff with a final score of 4-3. AMD managed to put up a respectable fight, but the new architecture does not have the gaming horsepower to justify the additional costs. . QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 16 2025, 12:12 AM) like I said, its time you upgrade your search engine... or ai chat bot... no need to be stuborn one... .https://www.anandtech.com/show/21524/the-am...9900x-review/14 - The AMD Ryzen 9 9950X and Ryzen 9 9900X Review: Flagship Zen 5 Soars - and Stalls by Gavin Bonshor on August 14, 2024 9:00 AM EST .... Conclusion ... Unfortunately, the issues we experienced with the PPM Provisioning driver, despite following all of AMD's guidelines and then some, has undermined this launch. So far we've seen core parking cause quite a few issues in performance, most notably in gaming. If it was an issue limited to just our testing, that could be negated, but having checked with a few of our colleagues, it looks to be a widespread issue. Something just doesn't seem to be working in the core parking department, as we ourselves have observed random cores from the parked CCX firing up randomly and taking game threads with them, and this in itself seems in defiance of what AMD is trying to achieve by running gaming workloads within a single CCX. For now, the Ryzen 9 9950X/9900X seem like fine chips for highly threaded productivity workloads. They're just not delivering the correct behavior for games. In the meantime, we'll be continuing to look into the issue, and should AMD deliver an update that fixes Ryzen 9000's core parking behavior, we will reevaluate these chips accordingly. . Will Intel's 15th-gen Arrow Lake processors using TSMC's 6nm and 3nm nodes have issues like AMD Ryzen 9000 series (Zen 5) processors which use TSMC's 4nm node.? Eg ....... https://www.techradar.com/computing/cpu/amd...ntil-august-now - AMD delays Ryzen 9000 due to last-minute discovery of problems with some CPUs – launch won’t happen until August now By Darren Allan published 25 July 2024 . https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-no...lure-incidents/ - AMD’s Ryzen 7 9800X3D Now Experiencing Widespread “CPU Failure” Incidents; Problem More Common On ASRock Motherboards Muhammad Zuhair Feb 24, 2025 at 01:39pm EST https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...-about-failures - ASRock issues BIOS update to address Ryzen 9 9800X3D failures, warns of 'misinformation' about failures By Sayem Ahmed published February 25, 2025 The beta BIOS claims to improve 'CPU boot' issues. . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 16 2025, 01:14 AM |
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 15 2025, 04:03 PM) . AFAIK, Intel's main target market is computer desktops/workstations and laptops, often used by enterprises, programmers/developers, gamers and students, not smartphones/tablets - the latter of which preferably require EUV chip technology of 7nm nodes or lower due to their small thin size, fanlessness, need to be power-sipping (bc they are mobile devices and battery-powered), etc. ........ IOW, Intel and AMD do not really need EUV chip technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc. Apples and oranges. . Can transnational passenger aeroplanes (eg Boeing 787 and Airbus 340) and cargo ships be EV or EV-battery-powered.? . QUOTE(Porkycorgi5588 @ Mar 15 2025, 11:03 PM) .My highlighted statement above exclude some mobile x-86 laptops which may need to be mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, lightweight/thin, fanless, etc. AFAIK, EUV lithography to manufacture processors at <7nm node is very complex and prone to various issues/errors. In the future, there may be a more efficient way to manufacture processors at <7nm node, eg more advanced DUV lithography. Today DUV can only manufacture down to 7nm node, eg by CCP China's SMIC and USA's Intel. ....... https://semiengineering.com/euvs-future-looks-even-brighter/ - EUV’s Future Looks Even Brighter Demand for AI chips is growing exponentially, but costs and complexity limit the technology to a handful of companies. That could soon change. FEBRUARY 20TH, 2025 - BY: GREGORY HALEY The rapidly increasing demand for advanced-node chips to support everything-AI is putting pressure on the industry’s ability to meet demand. .... Since the first commercial EUV chips rolled off the line in 2019, steady improvements in equipment, mask generation, and resist technologies have stabilized the technology. But while yields are improving, they still lag behind more mature lithography techniques. Process stability requires constant vigilance and fine-tuning. In the case of EUV, it also requires a huge investment for power generation, equipment, and consumables. Today, those costs remain a barrier to widespread adoption. ... “Fab productivity depends on multiple factors — throughput, process efficiency, and accurate pattern transfer,” said Dinesh Bettadapur, CEO of Irresistible Materials. “Reducing exposure dose, improving resist sensitivity, and minimizing defects are all critical factors in making EUV more cost-effective at scale.” ... Is AI and its <7nm node processors via EUV really needed for most computer users in the world.? Is AI mostly a marketing hype, eg to hype up Nvidia share price.? Eg ....... . P S - Intel has recently lost out to AMD in the PC/computer market likely because of the marketing hype by AMD Ryzen 9000 Series' "cutting edge" 4nm node (Zen5) processors from TSMC, eg consumers being scammed into thinking AMD 4nm > Intel 7nm, ie AMD processors give 43% (= 3/7X100%) better performance. . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 17 2025, 12:03 PM |
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China's domestically developed laser weapon shot down 13 enemy drones in a single engagement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1w1E_Uv0dE tested by saudi .shot down 13 houthi rebel drones in a single engagement.CHINA is the laser kingpin . |
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QUOTE(issac99289928 @ Mar 17 2025, 09:58 AM) China's domestically developed laser weapon shot down 13 enemy drones in a single engagement. Your video link looks like AI generated = FAKE video.?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1w1E_Uv0dE tested by saudi .shot down 13 houthi rebel drones in a single engagement.CHINA is the laser kingpin . . Please show proof that China's domestically developed laser weapon shot down 13 enemy drones in a single engagement, .... tested by Saudi, shot down 13 Houthi rebel drones in a single engagement. . P S - Notice that in the above post by 'issac', he wrote China - saudi - houthi- CHINA = he disrespected non-CCP China countries or people. . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 17 2025, 12:42 PM |
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 17 2025, 12:42 PM) Your video link looks like AI generated = FAKE video.? I don't know what is wrong with you . YOU have serious judgemental issues . google the news yourself.. Please show proof that China's domestically developed laser weapon shot down 13 enemy drones in a single engagement, .... tested by Saudi, shot down 13 Houthi rebel drones in a single engagement. . P S - Notice that in the above post by 'issac', he wrote China - saudi - houthi- CHINA = he disrespected non-CCP China countries or people. . |
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 10 2025, 08:18 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « . . AFAIK, nearly ALL those who became top billionaires in China have close ties with CCP China, eg ....... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Huateng - Tencent/Wechat Politics According to the official Tencent website, Ma is a deputy to the 5th Shenzhen Municipal People's Congress and served in the 12th National People's Congress. Speaking of censorship at a technology conference in Singapore, Ma was quoted as saying: "In terms of information security management, online companies from any country must abide by a defined set of criteria, and act responsibly. Otherwise it might lead to hearsay, libel and argument among citizens—not to mention between countries. That's why the need for online management is increasingly urgent." . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren_Zhengfei - Huawei ... his elder brother became a member of the CCP in 1958 ... In 1974, in order to build for industrial modernization, he established Liaoyang Petrochemical Fiber General Factory in Liaoyang. In the same year, Ren was drafted into the army and joined the 22nd detachment of the Infrastructure Engineering Corps of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA). He served as a technician and engineer, working on automation processes in the chemical industry. While serving in the PLA, Ren extensively studied Mao Zedong's writings, particularly Quotations of Chairman Mao and Selected Works of Mao Zedong.: He received several awards for his proficiency and excellence in Maoist theory. In March 1978, 33-year-old Ren went to Beijing to attend the National Science Conference, which was attended by more than 6000 delegates. The same year, Ren joined the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). ... = no person in China can become very rich businessmen without strong political connections to the CCP, ie guanxi = 关系 . . QUOTE(brian81st @ Mar 10 2025, 08:51 PM) the ccp like to elect a business man once he or she becomes successful in the his field, ccp view this as he/she is expert in that field, therefore his/her view will is much more valueble because of his/her insight. similarly jackie chan is also ccp elected member due to his success in entertainment industry. so government will take their view more seriously. They dont become ccp elected member first before this. so their success in the first place was not due to connection with ccp. which is similar like what a think tank does, many government around the world would assembly successful business people and get their insight and views. this is not something rare. so does they have special power within the party, no, as you can see from previous leaders and the politburo, normally are people had been in the political field/government. Ren was in an army as the technician, and he retired from army. similarly as a US veteren that had been retired, let say he start a business from scratch, and later become successful in his business. Can i just ignore his effort, and just mentioned ohh, he is linked with the government , because he was a retired veteren, that is why he is so successful? Ren went thru stages, i remember there was a period in time where he was not doing very well, in business, and he had to sell fire extinguisher, simply because there is not enough sales and profits to maintain the company. if he was government linked in the first place, shouldnt he be able to at least get millions worth of government project first even with 2 dollar pay up capital and with no experience. then he would be able to rent or buy a large office. QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 10 2025, 10:15 PM) . .Fyi, ....... https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-my/%E9%A9%AC%E5%8C%96%E8%85%BE - Google Translated: Ma Huateng - Tencent/Wechat .... Family members Father: Ma Chenshu, a member of the Communist Party of China , a cadre who went south, with secondary technical school education, economist, served as accountant, statistician, chief of the planning department, deputy director of the Hainan Basuo Port Authority of the Ministry of Transport, manager and general manager of the Finance and Planning Department of Shenzhen Shipping Corporation, deputy commander-in-chief of the Shenzhen Yantian Port Construction Command, deputy general manager of Shenzhen Yantian Port Group Co., Ltd., was elected as a director of the Yantian Port listed company in 1997, and is now retired. ... . Similarly for some CCP politicians or power-grabbers, eg Xi Jinping is a princeling whose meteoric rise to the pinnacle of power, was under the nepotism of his father, ....... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Zhongxun Xi Zhongxun 习仲勋 Vice Chairperson of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress In office September 10, 1980 – February 25, 1983 In office April 27, 1988 – March 27, 1993 Party Secretary of Guangdong In office November 1978 – November 1980 Preceded by Wei Guoqing Succeeded by Ren Zhongyi Governor of Guangdong In office January 1979 – February 1981 Preceded by Wei Guoqing (as Director of the Guangdong Provincial Revolutionary Committee) Succeeded by Liu Tianfu 1st Secretary-General of the State Council In office September 1954 – January 1965 Premier Zhou Enlai Succeeded by Zhou Rongxin Vice Premier of China In office April 1959 – January 1965 Premier Zhou Enlai Head of the Publicity Department of the Chinese Communist Party In office January 1953 – July 1954 Party Chairman Mao Zedong Preceded by Lu Dingyi Succeeded by Lu Dingyi ... = Xi Jinping's father was a close comrade of Liu Shaoqi, Zhou Enlai and Deng Xiaopeng. Like Xi Zhongxun, Liu (died) and Deng were also "purged" by the power-grabbing Mao Zedong during the 1966-76 Cultural Revolution. So, Xi Jinping brooks no contenders to his "throne or emperorship", ie no opportunity for another Mao to grab power from him, eg his anti-corruption campaign is mainly to root out his political contenders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princelings .. This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 29 2025, 08:26 PM |
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