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AFAIK, Intel's main target market is computer desktops/workstations and laptops, often used by enterprises, programmers/developers, gamers and students, not smartphones/tablets - the latter of which preferably require EUV chip technology of 7nm nodes or lower due to their small thin size, fanlessness, need to be power-sipping (bc they are mobile devices and battery-powered), etc.
........ IOW, Intel and AMD do not really need EUV chip technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc.

Apples and oranges.
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Can transnational passenger aeroplanes (eg Boeing 787 and Airbus 340) and cargo ships be EV or EV-battery-powered.?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 15 2025, 04:05 PM

And computer processor Ryzen 9000 series is at 4nm, not sure what computer are you using there..

They also claims alot from redesign a new computer OS and design a new mobile system named harmony OS. End up all just a top layer on existing android.

Too much of fake promises and false kpi just to getting the fund from their government.

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Fyi, .......

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel...950X/4151vs4172 - Intel-Core-i9-14900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-9950X
Conclusion,

This CPU is incredibly well-placed for a refresh. The i9 14900k(640 euros) offers similar performance to the i9 13900KS(800 Euros) while being available for much less money. The new gen motherboards are also much better. So if you were thinking about getting the 13th gen i9 then the 14th gen is a no-brainer since it offers flawless performance for both gaming and productivity tasks. This is especially true since AMD's "equivalent" 7950x3d is haunted by software bugs and "features" such as needing to have Xbox game bar open 24/7 and having their motherboards overvolt and kill the CPUs.

The Ryzen 9000 CPUs have the same integrated graphics, PCIe lanes, USB support and DRAM controller as the Ryzen 7000 series. The only difference is improved cores which have moved from TSMC's 5 nm process to 4 nm. The new cores offer 15% more performance under cherry-picked conditions but for latency-sensitive workloads, like gaming, they are just few percent faster. The 9600X, 9700X, 9900X, and 9950X are priced at $280, $360, $500, and $650, respectively, making them $80-$200 USD more expensive than the 7000 series. Since the 7000 series flopped (7800X3D somewhat excluded) due to unrealistic pricing, slow boot times, high platform costs and windows gamebar requirements etc., the 9000 series is more or less DOA. ...
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Still Intel 7nm > AMD 4nm.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 15 2025, 04:55 PM

Deepseek got OpenAI in the backend

"technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc."

Doesnt align with your previous statement, "computer processor do not need to be tiny"

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Please don't add to my words and misinterpret my words out of context.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 15 2025, 04:54 PM

"technology to producevery-tiny chips with <7nm nodes because computers do not need to be tiny, mobile/battery-powered, power-sipping, fanless, etc."

Here your own words. Can interpret yourself from there

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In your above'r or top-more post, you have added to my words. .......


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Missed on the processor part, my fault there.

This post has been edited by Jazted: Mar 15 2025, 06:16 PM

When China shows real planes with no data (cos Top Secret and US likes to steal), AMDKs say its fake. Fair enough, no one outside Chinese military knows the truth.
But when China shows a fake plane and says it's a fake plane, AMDK's says it's a real plane with fake stats pulak. Then accuse China of being evil by trying to pull the wool over their eyes.

Just like thinking "Trade Wars are good, and easy to Win - Trump"

The truth is that America knows nothing about China's technological status.
Oct 2022, they though they Annihilated China's semiconductor market, with their Chip Ban.



3 years later, China will be number 1 in world semicon revenue. And America has no sources of Rare Earth Minerals from China anymore and now needs to resort to backstabbing/annexing their closes Allies for it.



NASA ceased US-China collaboration in 2011
– Tiangong space station launched in 2021
- NASA begging for far-side-of-moon rocks from the CCP in 2024



Trump started trade war in 2018
– China's trade surplus at $1 trillion in 2024


And now China is testing an EUV laser, the last Bastion of Western leadership in chip technology.

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Do you know why AMD's/TSMC's 4nm node Ryzen 9000 PC chips performed worse than comparable Intel's 7nm node 14th-gen PC chips, as shown in my above news link.?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 15 2025, 07:25 PM

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In that case, maybe Pres. Biden should have straight away ban CCP China from buying any new DUV lithography machines from ASML in 2022 = CCP China, eg SMIC, eventually could not manufacture any more semiconductors of 7nm node or higher, ie once their old DUV machines die off.
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That's why I said the US had/has no idea of China's capabilities. If they did then you're right, they probably would have stopped all ASML sales to China, and ASML would lose 30%-50% of its annual revenue as well. But luckily America is ruled by dumb nuts, as evidenced by the Shou Chew Tik Tok griling session.

And 2 years later China would still have developed it's own DUV lithography tool, and it's EUV 18 months after that.

You can slow the inevitable, but its coming either way.

yay... does this mean we can get cheaper chips thanks to china's overproduction and overcapacity?

that's all I care... but please allow English version of softwares to run on all chips... pls pls pls... else life will be tough for many of us...

lol

Ok. Intel please continue make 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I'm sure AMD will be happy.

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Intel's 13th-gen and 14th-gen processors are 7nm node, not 14nm.
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No....Of course China has no gut to do so. Try if is Malaysia.

china can fab intel chips 1/2 the price from TSMC to kill Taiwan economy

sohai, quote userbenchmarks....
bodo just keep quiet la....

Even intel also dismiss userbenchmarks