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 Widow regains land stolen through forged documents

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St0rmFury
post Feb 21 2025, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(Dentarg @ Feb 21 2025, 08:42 AM)
Side note: my uncle is in his late 50s and has been unemployed for the past 10 years. He is quite gullible to scams since he barely completed his secondary school education and has no tertiary education.

So my poor aunts need to fork out more than RM30,000 each to help him pay for the lawyer.
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Defuq, then why is he the designated person to manage the land?

Don't tell me none of the 8 aunts are more qualified than him.
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post Feb 21 2025, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(St0rmFury @ Feb 21 2025, 10:58 AM)
Defuq, then why is he the designated person to manage the land?

Don't tell me none of the 8 aunts are more qualified than him.
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"Tradition"

"Asian values"

/k selalu cakap wimmenz can't handle complicated things like this kan?

How many threads of wimmenz messing things up in the world, but if there was a male involved the problem would never have happened?

Asian estate planning is put it all on the eldest male and hope you don't lose the genetic lottery. Remember, we're not White people with their fancy "Family Trust" and "Beneficiary Designations"; we're Asian okay?
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post Feb 21 2025, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(smsid @ Feb 21 2025, 08:23 AM)
Because they didn't pay land tax for a very long time, then the state government will confisticate the land, that is given.
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Not that the state government consficate the land. Insider sold the info to fake docs sell the land. Unattended doesn't mean no one paying the land tax the whole period either.

This post has been edited by stupiak07: Feb 21 2025, 11:30 AM
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post Feb 21 2025, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Feb 21 2025, 07:07 AM)
My family also kena like this. This is very common here
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Ya... my wife's side also kena, by my FIL own siblings some more.

One day the younger bro came to his house, asking to see the geran tanah, as he needs it for some ranjiao purpose which I forgot. My FIL being a simple minded person, just passed to him. The bugger smart, wait my BIL and MIL not at home when he strikes. Soon, we realized the name changed already. Whole family wanna challenge to court as there's a will from the grandfather, but my super simpleton FIL decided not to as he wanted "harmony" in the family, being the eldest... doh.gif

QUOTE(smsid @ Feb 21 2025, 07:21 AM)
That is 100% bs.

If mlm, investment, or crypto scam, that is very common.

But land thief, it is only very common in Palestine land, not here.

Or maybe once upon a time in Singapore where most are forced to stay in hdb with 99 years lease.
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Already highlighted by many here, it is more common than u think, but stuffs like this don't appear in the news often.
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post Feb 21 2025, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 21 2025, 08:52 AM)
I heard some people made an agreement to transfer the land among relative (like family member) and pay a fee to hold the transaction for 3 to 5 years max so any other attempts to transfer the ownership would fail. I forgot what it is called. I'm wondering how much are the fees for this
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lodge a private caveat

then no transfer will go through without your lawyer noticing

for example, wife can caveat land own under husband name and etc
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post Feb 21 2025, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(smsid @ Feb 21 2025, 07:21 AM)
That is 100% bs.

If mlm, investment, or crypto scam, that is very common.

But land thief, it is only very common in Palestine land, not here.

Or maybe once upon a time in Singapore where most are forced to stay in hdb with 99 years lease.
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Search up Boonsom Boonyanit v. Adorna Properties.

This Indian Mdm cases ended well, but back then, Mdm Boonsom Boonyanit lost her land.

Malaysian judges even up to Federal Court can also be Kangaroos
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post Feb 21 2025, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(St0rmFury @ Feb 21 2025, 10:58 AM)
Defuq, then why is he the designated person to manage the land?

Don't tell me none of the 8 aunts are more qualified than him.
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Long story
My late grandfather is a traditional typical chinese man that wants a male heir (son). So my grandparents have been trying to have a son.

They was originally 10 siblings (8 aunts, 2 uncles). The eldest son unfortunately have Down Syndrome. He passed away in his 40s. So they keep trying until they have another one. (Hence that’s why I have so many aunties)

My grandfather disciplined my aunts except him. My aunts turn out quite well with their own lives.

My uncle however, was never rotan, scolded or punished. Hence he became a ‘char siew’.

Personally if you ask me, I think my aunts are more of a ‘son’ than a daughter to my grandparents.


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post Feb 21 2025, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Dentarg @ Feb 21 2025, 12:17 PM)
Long story
My late grandfather is a traditional typical chinese man that wants a male heir (son). So my grandparents have been trying to have a son.

They was originally 10 siblings (8 aunts, 2 uncles). The eldest son unfortunately have Down Syndrome. He passed away in his 40s. So they keep trying until they have another one. (Hence that’s why I have so many aunties)

My grandfather disciplined my aunts except him. My aunts turn out quite well with their own lives.

My uncle however, was never rotan, scolded or punished. Hence he became a ‘char siew’.

Personally if you ask me, I think my aunts are more of a ‘son’ than a daughter to my grandparents.
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But but but muh "Asian Values" and "Chinese tradition has 2000 year history how can be wrong one"
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post Feb 21 2025, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(smsid @ Feb 21 2025, 07:21 AM)
That is 100% bs.

If mlm, investment, or crypto scam, that is very common.

But land thief, it is only very common in Palestine land, not here.

Or maybe once upon a time in Singapore where most are forced to stay in hdb with 99 years lease.
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Adui. Everything oso Israel Palestin Israel Palestin.
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post Feb 21 2025, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(vassilius @ Feb 21 2025, 11:33 AM)
Ya... my wife's side also kena, by my FIL own siblings some more.

One day the younger bro came to his house, asking to see the geran tanah, as he needs it for some ranjiao purpose which I forgot. My FIL being a simple minded person, just passed to him. The bugger smart, wait my BIL and MIL not at home when he strikes. Soon, we realized the name changed already. Whole family wanna challenge to court as there's a will from the grandfather, but my super simpleton FIL decided not to as he wanted "harmony" in the family, being the eldest... doh.gif
Already highlighted by many here, it is more common than u think, but stuffs like this don't appear in the news often.
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Without revealing much detail, similar to yours, it’s long-distance relative, eat all. Without all the relatives approval, the process can go ahead, done deal.

Anything can happen one
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Feb 21 2025, 11:38 AM)
lodge a private caveat

then no transfer will go through without your lawyer noticing

for example, wife can caveat land own under husband name and etc
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Yes this

If caveat still can go through then very powerful d
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post Feb 21 2025, 12:54 PM

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I have a question.

If I have a land, and suddenly I coma, doctor say I no chance wake up.

Someone wanted my land knows this and through corruption illegally change my land ownership to someone else.

Someone build a condo on my land already.

Suddenly I woke up after 3 years and the condo completed .

If I managed to regained back my land....

What will happen to the condo ? Will I own it all ? Or it will be demolish ? Or I can never reclaim my land even with proof.
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post Feb 21 2025, 01:09 PM

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i do know someone that got his land being name changed while he is still living on it. The other party managed to forge a document saying that the land was sold to them while his father was still alive. the court case went on for years and he eventually was diagnosed with cancer in his lungs. He died last year and his brothers are now carrying on the fight in court.

I really pity him as he got both his property stolen and getting cancer in the span of a few years.
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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Feb 21 2025, 07:07 AM)
My family also kena like this. This is very common here
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Yikes
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post Feb 21 2025, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(king99 @ Feb 21 2025, 12:54 PM)
I have a question.

If I have a land, and suddenly I coma, doctor say I no chance wake up.

Someone wanted my land knows this and through corruption illegally change my land ownership to someone else.

Someone build a condo on my land already.

Suddenly I woke up after 3 years and the condo completed .

If I managed to regained back my land....

What will happen to the condo ? Will I own it all ? Or it will be demolish ? Or I can never reclaim my land even with proof.
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Settle out of court lor.
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post Feb 21 2025, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Feb 21 2025, 11:38 AM)
lodge a private caveat

then no transfer will go through without your lawyer noticing

for example, wife can caveat land own under husband name and etc
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ya this is the term for it, i wonder how much the caveat fees usually are
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post Feb 21 2025, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(smsid @ Feb 21 2025, 07:21 AM)
That is 100% bs.

If mlm, investment, or crypto scam, that is very common.

But land thief, it is only very common in Palestine land, not here.

Or maybe once upon a time in Singapore where most are forced to stay in hdb with 99 years lease.
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LOL

wasnt this week or last week only the land in selangor get the attention from MB selangor that the illegal land transfer also involved lawyers.
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QUOTE(smsid @ Feb 21 2025, 07:21 AM)
That is 100% bs.

If mlm, investment, or crypto scam, that is very common.

But land thief, it is only very common in Palestine land, not here.

Or maybe once upon a time in Singapore where most are forced to stay in hdb with 99 years lease.
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You are nao jin shui.

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post Feb 21 2025, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(king99 @ Feb 21 2025, 12:54 PM)
I have a question.

If I have a land, and suddenly I coma, doctor say I no chance wake up.

Someone wanted my land knows this and through corruption illegally change my land ownership to someone else.

Someone build a condo on my land already.

Suddenly I woke up after 3 years and the condo completed .

If I managed to regained back my land....

What will happen to the condo ? Will I own it all ? Or it will be demolish ? Or I can never reclaim my land even with proof.
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The courts will probably be the arbiter of this, but because the owners of the lots in the condo also have strata title, it would be very very messy to try and untangle it if you managed to regain title back to the land.

But looking at the principle of deferred indefeasibility as laid down in Tan Ying Hong v Tan Sian San & Ors [2010] 2 MLJ 1, academically speaking, if you do end up getting the land back, all the strata titles in the condo will be extinguished. The owners of the condo's will lose their property in a instant. Their recourse will be against the developer who sold them the condo without clean title.

Theoretically speaking.
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 21 2025, 01:21 PM)
ya this is the term for it, i wonder how much the caveat fees usually are
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https://www.ptgwp.gov.my/portal/en_US/web/g...at-turun-borang

RM300 in KL, RM50 in Putrajaya and Labuan

RM320 in Selangor apparently: https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/know-yo...private-caveats

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