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TSjack2
post Feb 17 2025, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Feb 16 2025, 03:52 PM)
Bro you cannot hire unhcr la... so why waste your time with applying unhcr?

First of all, you need to determine his nationality. Malaysia only recognize a few countries for 3D work. Secondly you can wait until they open rehiring and also make sure he is not blacklisted. All of them will tell you no passport bla bla but most of the time it's fake.
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QUOTE(darkwaka @ Feb 17 2025, 09:58 AM)
From your reply it seems that you are planning to help him apply for UN refugee card and i can tell you its not worth it

Better to find those who already have UN refugee card and hire them, you tell him salary to be pay day by day and if they dint come for work on that day they wont get pay.

Lets say you help him and he get UN refugee card and then after 1 month he work for you and he gone missing, you will be wasting your time by helping him

I can tell you these illegal immigrant are more cleaver then us, they have alot friends that will tunjuk jalan if can apply for UN refugee card, If he cannot find jalan he can go find those NGO organization for help

Why that fella asking you for help for applying UN refugee card? Maybe he have polis / immigration criminal record and cannot find NGO for help
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Yes, after valuable replies from forumers, I have decided to give up for the hiring. rclxub.gif

Hope that I can get a local one.

This post has been edited by jack2: Feb 17 2025, 10:37 AM
andrekua2
post Feb 17 2025, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Feb 17 2025, 10:36 AM)
Yes, after valuable replies from forumers, I have decided to give up for the hiring.  rclxub.gif

Hope that I can get a local one.
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https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...jan-2024/147498

Last time hire illegals also no problem since employers are not charged but this has changed since a couple years ago. If not caught then no problem. Most of the time, you can get away with it as long as they are not caught by immigration.


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post Feb 17 2025, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Feb 15 2025, 09:57 AM)
Yes, he is in Malaysia already and from Myanmar. He wanted to work in my kennel. But later found out he has nothing.
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Why got nothing? Agent holding passport?
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post Feb 17 2025, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Feb 17 2025, 10:45 AM)
Why got nothing? Agent holding passport?
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I was told that his past employer hold his passport and due to some issue, he left or the employer did not return the passport.


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post Feb 17 2025, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(hirano @ Feb 16 2025, 07:59 PM)
people like you are bringing problem to this country, hiring illegal foreigners and not reporting them to police. smh
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Oh mai... I bet you have no idea how much the policemen are earning every month just by taking a monthly fees from these illegals. They knew where these illegals are staying, even waited for them every month to collect monthly protection fees. Employers' problem or enforcement problem?

Police car are loitering in front of my factory every month just to wait those illegals return from work everyday. At first they ran but soon they even become friends... as long as its not immigration, there is always a way out. Heck even immigration also got way out, just double or triple the cost only.
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QUOTE(jack2 @ Feb 17 2025, 10:48 AM)
I was told that his past employer hold his passport and due to some issue, he left or the employer did not return the passport.
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Like that also can. I don't think it's legal to keep someone's passport when the person is not even working for you anymore
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post Feb 17 2025, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Feb 17 2025, 10:51 AM)
Oh mai... I bet you have  no idea how much the policemen are earning every month just by taking a monthly fees from these illegals. They knew where these illegals are staying, even waited for them every month to collect monthly protection fees. Employers' problem or enforcement problem?

Police car are loitering in front of my factory every month just to wait those illegals return from work everyday. At first they ran but soon they even become friends... as long as its not immigration, there is always a way out. Heck even immigration also got way out, just double or triple the cost only.
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I don't intend to reply his comment. Thanks for you to hamtam. whistling.gif

QUOTE(g5sim @ Feb 17 2025, 10:56 AM)
Like that also can. I don't think it's legal to keep someone's passport when the person is not even working for you anymore
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In fact, no one can hold but I believe everyone will do so to protect if the workers run away.
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post Feb 17 2025, 12:08 PM

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Bro, maybe you can find those worker agency that provide worker with valid work permit

You can hire their worker with agreement and they can work for you, if anything happens their worker is under the agency and they are responsible for the worker


Your agreement is between you and the agency and they send worker to work for you and you are not responsible for the worker if they get caught because the permit is not under you
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post Feb 17 2025, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(darkwaka @ Feb 17 2025, 12:08 PM)
Bro, maybe you can find those worker agency that provide worker with valid work permit

You can hire their worker with agreement and they can work for you, if anything happens their worker is under the agency and they are responsible for the worker
Your agreement is between you and the agency and they send worker to work for you and you are not responsible for the worker if they get caught because the permit is not under you
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Good idea. Let me try to find out those agency.
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post Feb 17 2025, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Feb 17 2025, 11:56 AM)
Like that also can. I don't think it's legal to keep someone's passport when the person is not even working for you anymore
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It's not legal to keep at all, you can't hold other people's passport unless you're the authorities, but at the same if your foreign employees go MIA you as an employer (not guardian) will kena by immigration.
That's the answer I get when I asked immigration office last time about employing foreign workers. Even live-in maid you can't control if she suddenly go AWOL one day, why employers kena?
When asked how can I make sure the employees don't go missing he replied 'Itu encik kena fikirkan la macam mana'. He wants me to chain him to the workplace or what?

Sometimes the ridiculousness of bureaucracy creates stupid situation too.
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post Feb 17 2025, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(darkwaka @ Feb 17 2025, 12:08 PM)
Bro, maybe you can find those worker agency that provide worker with valid work permit

You can hire their worker with agreement and they can work for you, if anything happens their worker is under the agency and they are responsible for the worker
Your agreement is between you and the agency and they send worker to work for you and you are not responsible for the worker if they get caught because the permit is not under you
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No more outsourcing. Thats why it got complicated. Now all outsourcing are done illegally. By law, it is already outlaw. You could still use LOA for construction jobs as a valid reason to secure foreign workers.

Of course being Malaysia, there are still some remnant of illegal outsourcing done by some shell companies, whenever rehiring pop up. They will help illegals become legalized but under their company so that whenever they need to renew their permit, they get to charge exorbitant fees like 5K when the renewal fees are just around 2.7K or so.

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post Feb 17 2025, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(keybearer @ Feb 17 2025, 02:30 PM)
It's not legal to keep at all, you can't hold other people's passport unless you're the authorities, but at the same if your foreign employees go MIA you as an employer (not guardian) will kena by immigration.
That's the answer I get when I asked immigration office last time about employing foreign workers. Even live-in maid you can't control if she suddenly go AWOL one day, why employers kena?
When asked how can I make sure the employees don't go missing he replied 'Itu encik kena fikirkan la macam mana'. He wants me to chain him to the workplace or what?

Sometimes the ridiculousness of bureaucracy creates stupid situation too.
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Oh well, actually I think keep their passport also no point if they want to run away. Hence I have never keep their passport even before the government outlaw it. The only reason you kept it is because you dont need to pay the IG penalty if he/she went awol. However, I dont really care and I have instances where workers ran even before the first permit came out, then come back years later with a priest to ask for passport which I hand to them without any problem.

Personally I think RM500 or 750 IG penalty is such a small amount to pay compare to their salary or renewal. Thus if they have no wish to work here, I also wont force them.
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QUOTE(jack2 @ Feb 17 2025, 10:48 AM)
I was told that his past employer hold his passport and due to some issue, he left or the employer did not return the passport.
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Employer hold the passport because there are many case of workers ran away, Normally they come in as construction/plantation worker, find out it is shit job with low pay, then agent/friend convince him to run out and work for service industry with higher pay.

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post May 22 2025, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Feb 15 2025, 08:50 AM)
I met one foreigner but he has no passport and working permit.

Able to make one for both to legalise everything?
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myammar or local bastard born out of wetlock?

no passport, cannot do anything legally
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post May 23 2025, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(Porkycorgi5588 @ May 22 2025, 11:24 AM)
myammar or local bastard born out of wetlock?

no passport, cannot do anything legally
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From Myanmar. They have some way to come here.

Most of the hirers that I adked how they got foreigners, they told me the same that they do not have.
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post May 23 2025, 03:07 PM

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he need to go to myanmar embassy in kl to make a new passport.

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post May 23 2025, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Feb 15 2025, 08:50 AM)
I met one foreigner but he has no passport and working permit.

Able to make one for both to legalise everything?
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we call that pendatang asing tanpa kelulusan.

normally call imigration will handle.
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post May 23 2025, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Feb 15 2025, 10:04 AM)
Wrong. You never know my history. Malaysian is not willing to work in this dirty and hard work. I have been searching for many years without success.

I offered him 2500 for free stay and all meal for just 6 hours work.

Don't comment if you never know anything.
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you do know hiring an undocumented worker is a crime?

Under the Immigration Act 1959/63, employers who hire foreign workers without valid work permits or visas can face severe penalties. This includes:

Fines: Up to MYR 50,000 per undocumented worker.
Imprisonment: Up to 12 months, or longer in certain cases.
Additional penalties: For repeat offenders, penalties may escalate, and businesses could face operational restrictions.

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post May 23 2025, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(karazure @ May 23 2025, 04:58 PM)
you do know hiring an undocumented worker is a crime?

Under the Immigration Act 1959/63, employers who hire foreign workers without valid work permits or visas can face severe penalties. This includes:

Fines: Up to MYR 50,000 per undocumented worker.
Imprisonment: Up to 12 months, or longer in certain cases.
Additional penalties: For repeat offenders, penalties may escalate, and businesses could face operational restrictions.
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Yes, I know. That why I rejected him after knowing so.


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