If boss give u ang pao and bonus, please reject it also.

Bagi leave bising tak bagi leave pun bising.

this is called forced leave.. apa new?

you tak suka you resign

Bodoh force leave and deduct annual leave

Bodoh ccb

Cukur my company dont do such unethical practices

I think this is legit question. Macam mapren kena forced to take certain number of leave per month - if no more annual leave kena take unpaid leave.

you can lipot to JTK if you want.

But the drama will become unnecessary if you dont have the will to go against mgmt.

take white letter and throw at your boss face la

dare or not?

got balls or not?

luckily my company doing that force leave for CNY and also Hari Raya

cukur, coz both racing also have so cannot bising

confirmed cannot force leave according to the IR court case alrd.

but somehow it is still very pervasive practice of doing it.

But if the company has 95% chinese, apa mau buat.

apa kerja? cuti kene paksa sampai unpaid? means company takder duit.

Forced leave is not acceptable in labour dpt

by the way, pls send your employee to english kelas. thanks.

interesting...based on the following articles...the company cannot force leave.
Can complain to Ministry of Human Resource...but this will burn bridges....


https://asklegal.my/p/force-workers-annual-...panies-malaysia

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/azian-m-7458...2541893633-an9Q


From 2nd article
1. Employer cannot force you to take annual leave or unpaid leaves ( if your annual leave not enough to cover the "forced leave period".
2. Any action from employer not favorable to the employee, cannot be carried out.
3. Unless it is agreed between the employer and the employee in the contract of service or in the collective agreement signed between the management and the union of its employees, it cannot be done. (note if you getting memo, out of sudden due to certain unique conditions of your company experiencing which required to reduce your benefits, salary, entitlements, a written communication must be made and employee agreement must be obtained in writing)

So ppl not celebrating those two how??

My current company ditched that practice several years ago since start taking more ppl of various races across different countries. Practice of reopening office on ong days need to die.

Last time i kena lagi worst.. chinamN company. Late 1 minit will tolak rm 1 from salary

Overseas they'll ask u to take two weeks off for the chirtsmas and new year, end of the year shut down period taken from annual leave...

dafaq is compulsory leave

komplain ksm

why need to throw letter when u can lodge a complaint with labor department
this is illegal

but i wonder if the staff is smart enough to do or not

The thing about this is, using force leave is the easier way out.

Lets say if the employees want fairness, fine.

Mgmt can decide that those days forced is working day.

But all doors lock, you come and scan only. Wasted trip and resource nothing to do.

I think there is a chance that this company already done survey on all employees. Cause the attendance of the prayer session is compulsory. Sounds like they dont have other non-cina employees.

Manufacturing industry, in Penang.

niamah u tak suka u resign la sial

Tu la, bila Boss nak dorg kerja, dorg pula minta leave sebab hal-hal ni tu, tiba-tiba mc sebab sakit buntot, jubok, urat, apa pun sakit.

disuruh on leave , apply je la.

What? Nak apply dgn surat MC? Ish...Ish....Ish.... mampos.

my company only have 3 racings, Type M, type C and Japanese

so no issue....

US company forced to take shutdown leave at the end of the year. Also deducted from annual leave.

Companies can force you to go on leave, but cannot deduct any of your paid leaves quota.

Report jabatan buruh la

Cina =! Buddhism / Taoism.

Not all Chinese pray for or to the same thing.

This post has been edited by patienceGNR: Jan 13 2025, 10:26 AM

Why not include chatGPT, copilot as well

reminded me last time i need take own leaves for company event overseas lmao

The factory is closed from 27 to 31. You come also not open. They deduct for you, you no need submit e-leaves.

Bising want what? Want money?

sama macan clear leave at the end of the year
if not the leave tak ambil, ia akan hilang.
clear leave paksa juga.

sape complain, kasi PIP, then goreng sotong

My company also got.

I have too many leave anyway so don't care.

When you working whole year there and just for a few days leave you wanna create a drama then you better cabut sahaja.

Cukur dapat leave

Mungkin ada staff yg nak kerja keras dlm office buka aircon dgn Starbuck, nasi lemak, pot luck, lagu radio Hit FM sekali minggu tu.

Yg buat Sales kereta, rumah mungkin depa nak cuba hit target, tapi yg kilang-kilang kicap, taufu, furniture, susu, cat-cat rumah, warehouse tu nak buat apa dlm office, Vendor cuti, custom cuti, customer/ client pun cuti kat rumah.

Throw letter if not satisfied

True, like say Type-C construction company, 99% sub-con invited are Chinese & alcohol is compulsory in the field.

Thus the annual dinner must be held at non-halal resto, muslim staff who can't attend, boss give RM200 angpow each.

Tu la, culture orang tempatan kena re-educate. Be puncture mcm Org Jepun. stand by 5mins or less bofore meeting start.

Haha, kat Uni, kalau lambat mcm 10mins, Prof akan tutup pintu hall. Attendance/ Quiz markah hilang. Hahaha, ajar student dahulu sebelum diajar oleh orang lain. Malu la.

celaka

why you work under non company?
where is ur maruah?

pengkhianat !!!

Got many annual leave, is ok. But forced unpaid leave is not fair

Apahai u keje kat kompemi cina?

of course in this case, i generally applying every cina of the company to taoist and buddhist.

Those that complain so much just want to enjoy the leave and get the paid at the same time. I wonder if the company decide to operate as usual and do not approve leave on that period what will they complain?

Kenapa ni

Type c dipaksa ambil cuti masa hari raya tak bising pun

This post has been edited by GagalLand: Jan 13 2025, 10:49 AM

https://asklegal.my/p/force-workers-annual-...panies-malaysia

It might feel like a dream come true if your boss asks you to take a day off or two from work. However, forcing an employee to take a day off may not be legal in Malaysia. We managed to clarify this with the Malaysian Human Resource Ministry, and here’s what they had to say:

“...An employer cannot force his employee to take annual leave on the...employer’s own accord.” – email translated by AskLegal.my

So, you’re entitled to your annual leaves. This is completely different from unpaid leaves where you don’t get paid for it. Perhaps this case would help illustrate the statement above better:

In Kesatuan Pekerja-pekerja Continental Tyre PJ Malaysia Sdn Bhd v Continental Tyre PJ Malaysia (2015), Continental forced their workers to take annual leave during a plant shut down. However, Continental did not pay the workers their wages to go on leave. Basically, they were forced to take unpaid leave (which is illegal).

The court decided that Continental had the right to shut down the plant, but did not have the right to force their workers to take annual leave during those days. Therefore, the company was ordered to either:

Pay the workers for the days they had not been paid; or,
Grant them 2 days of annual leave from the date of the court decision.

this cny dinner thingy and alcohol, is really a strong practice which i dont think the muslims get it sometimes.

when alcohol relax yourself, it is easier to talk and happy lol.

This post has been edited by Blackscreamerz: Jan 13 2025, 10:47 AM

cos better than company that delayed salary.

Actually kenot. No such thing as compulsory leave. Cinapek company like to do this especially for CNY.

U can report to JTK. Unless they give free leave without deducting AL, then ok lah. But before u report JTK, think first if it worth the hassle or not.

Got job should be happy already

Other people queue for your job

end up office kena raid few days later and company paid more in compensation and fine

and that company will be on labor dept watchlist

somemore the company already issue a black and white memo as evidence

Klu ko tasuka, ko boleh berhenti ... kan ?

4d leave abit extreme

queue for your job = yes

can last a year? = no

high staff turnover? = yes

these are the consequences of companies that penny wise pound foolish and never look far enough ahead

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Jan 13 2025, 10:49 AM

suruh cuti bising tapi nak jugak ambik EL MC

If you are forced to take the leave, BUT still being paid for it.... what's the issue?

Unless forced WITHOUT pay, baru can complain to JTK.

Cannot - against labor law

Think more lah brader

Some ppl already have plans how? If they only have 18 per year and already calculate for their annual leave in other months for vacation and family matters? Company can give extra additional paid leave?

company apa?

u must be successful bossman

help you to clear leave.

Keyword is here. If you forced to take annual leave BUT you're not paid for the leave, then it's ILLEGAL.

My company staff was discussing about company closing on 3rd day of CNY (31st Jan). They submit proposal to HR, who brought up to the Management. They agreed, but deduct annual leave. Nearly all but one OK with it (since utilize bring forward leaves). The one not OK wanted to work on that day, and was allowed (as she was a branch staff anyway).

boycott jer , see who GG first , company or you . owai

Resign je.

Klang tutup so Dia datang kerja buat apa? Dua nak goyang bolah Kat office? Very labour court will side employer on this.

You got your answer.
Now the question is whether you got guts to tell ur HR about it.

Good luck. May the force be with you.

Pi bodohlaah, bodoh bodoh bodoh bangang! Takde leave to pakai in advance. Potong from future accrued AL. Ini pun nak ajar ke??? Apakah jadah paksa amik unpaid leave!!

no need to tell them, just report to labour office. let the HR pay for their ignorance of the law

Actually paid or unpaid also cannot de...

but usually if it is paid leave, at least employees will just halalkan je. tolak ansur sikit.

Sikit sikit mau bring up labour law. Labour law says 8 days AL cukup you want or not?

This post has been edited by poweredbydiscuz: Jan 13 2025, 11:08 AM

Wah... got employee not entitled to annual leave... ini sure kena serbu by JTK

Ayam confused. Is forcing staff to take annual leave considered as paying or not paying them?

eh...no, if the kilang tutup, the employer still need to pay salary.

if the employee reports duty nbut goyang kaki due to lack of supervision or works, gaji tetap bayar.

itukan soalan tered ni. legal ke tak perbuatan employer tu

if not bring up labour law then bring up mak ko ijau ke dik?

If I the boss I would say fuck you all. Since nak sangat everybody kerja 31 Jan. Going forward no extra leave. You want you use your peace. No annual dinner no buffet if mood baik kasih angpao RM10 seorang tu je, if raya Thursday wedenday of Diwali Thursday n Xmas Thursday fk you all again no leave limited approval as per operations need

lemme tell you, more and more companies out there try to abuse this and literally put 8 days
this company is prolly too
put 8 days AL thn force employee to go on leave by deducting AL

this sort of company also prolly don't pay for OT

As a Chinese I don't agree also.
Give free leave then is fine

u certainly can

but don't expect many ppl lining up to work for u. in fact many employers did that only to back down later to find ppl resigning and hard to fine replacement.

good luck

kalau company tak bagi pun sendiri cuti jugak
mc, nenek sakit, kucing meningal, gf masuk hospital

Legal or not? Go ask the ministry. Go. See what they say. I wait your reply.

u don't read do u?

i already posted what u asked. no need wait my reply dik

This post has been edited by DarkAeon: Jan 13 2025, 11:14 AM

considered paid but at the same time it's not because it's against employee's will
they didn't apply the leave on their own
you paid them but u deduct something in return

which is why by law it's illegal

My company staff quite bertolak ansur one. It's not like every year forced to take annual leave due to the CNY / Raya long week. Only for exceptional cases like CNY this year - what's the point of staffs come on Friday do work after off 2 days (when there's literally no business or customers coming), then again off 2 days? Might as well take the Friday off, have a good week of break, then back on Monday refreshed and happy.

Steven Sim Chee Keong should look into this.

don't even need to ask ministry when it's written on the law already

a good HR can already tell everybody the answer

I ask you go ask ministry, you post some website. Tak erti bahasa ke dik?

you guys might no believe ayam but ayam at real china company get free leave on cny 3rd day and half day at eve.

If you take annual leave (forced or voluntary), as long as you get paid for that leave day, this is acceptable. The issue comes when Company decides to be a cheapskate and don't.

bcoz that website already ask ministry, and provided summary

adui......u farking stupid ke dik

until u really read, i don't wanna reply u. waste my time

but very unfortunate is i think a lot of cina bosses is very...pragmatic.

ada kerja ada gaji, no kerja no gaji even thought salary is suppose to be on monthly basis.

and the workers especially cina will just telan. cause it is pragmatic to them too. no pay no work .

This post has been edited by Blackscreamerz: Jan 13 2025, 11:19 AM

Ditto.

Until you ask the ministry yourself instead of trust whatever from the internet like a farking stupid, I won't reply anymore.

why must i ask ministry myself when someone already did and posted the result?

i am smart not stupid like u

u shud go eat shit yourself bcoz u cannot rely on other's experience that eating shit is no good

u see, i defeated all your replies so far until u had to move the goalpost, clearly u r not my level

This post has been edited by DarkAeon: Jan 13 2025, 11:21 AM

Why Puas no say work in non company is haram?since they also say wearing red just like celerating Christmas is haram

annual leave should be voluntary

but i dont think its a rule

forced leave should be separate from annual leave

Ccp company, cuti start 25th till 2nd. No tolak leave.

While it's not right to accuse staff such thing, but possibilities of that happening is high lol.

Not much work to do, bosses are on leave. Deym heaven la of course.

Also those who complaint must have never worked with Western MNC's before. We have this thing called 'Company Closure' where most employees except those in critical operation that is running 24x7 is required to take leave.

Maybe this no one complaint much coz it coincides with Christmas and New Year plus School Holidays.