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post Dec 25 2024, 08:56 AM, updated 12 months ago

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100 Singaporeans in legal dispute over condo purchases in JB

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25 Dec 2024, 08:34 AM
They claim the developer was not upfront on the sale terms and conditions.

PETALING JAYA: At least 100 Singapore house buyers are locked in a legal dispute with a Malaysian developer over the ownership of their properties, CNA reported.

The news portal said the buyers claimed the developer was not upfront about the sale terms and conditions.

It said property lawyers were now urging buyers to read the fine print and engage local agents better aware of local conditions before purchasing properties in Johor.

CNA reported that Singaporeans were among the top buyers of properties in Johor Bahru and this had seen prices of condominium units jump 30% in the first three months of this year.

About 170 buyers have set up a WhatsApp group to pursue their case.

They said they bought properties as a weekend home and for investment for as much as S$275,000 (RM907,280).

They were shocked when they found out they had bought the homes under a scheme called a private lease scheme (PLS) which says they are buying a lease for 99 years.

This is more like a rental agreement under which they do not actually own the property.

The developer is the actual owner and the buyers are tenants and must seek permission if they want to rent or sell.

A lawyer interviewed by CNA said under PLS, the buyers do not obtain strata titles and only get a long rental lease. They also do not get voting rights to select the committees to run the condominiums.

If there is any legal dispute, creditors will go after the land to the detriment of the lessees. The value of property may also be affected, the lawyer added.

Developers argue the PLS is valid and the buyers have passed the legal period to take action.


https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...RWRUBGGIgwxJvwA
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post Dec 25 2024, 09:03 AM

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Wow wtf ohmy.gif

Yini machem pun ada kaa??
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post Dec 25 2024, 09:04 AM

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PLS....

ah....

so we learn from south korea, the best korea
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post Dec 25 2024, 09:06 AM

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As usual foreigner is normally not fully protected under the law. They didn't read the term and conditions before buying.
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post Dec 25 2024, 09:07 AM

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Which project?
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post Dec 25 2024, 09:11 AM

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Wow...which conman developer is this?
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post Dec 25 2024, 09:16 AM

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Search around hwz and news, still dint figured out which project.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 25 2024, 09:04 AM)
PLS....

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so we learn from south korea, the best korea
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But but.. None of them read the terms and conditions?
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post Dec 25 2024, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(s@ni @ Dec 25 2024, 09:29 AM)
But but.. None of them read the terms and conditions?
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The mindset of 3.5 exchange rate...
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post Dec 25 2024, 09:36 AM

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wah got such thing. sue the company to death
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post Dec 25 2024, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Dec 25 2024, 09:35 AM)
The mindset of 3.5 exchange rate...
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Too much money.. Close eye buy maybe?


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post Dec 25 2024, 09:43 AM

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post Dec 25 2024, 09:46 AM

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S$275K for 99 yrs worth it loh... car coe also 10 yrs only.
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post Dec 25 2024, 09:46 AM

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i bet when they come to buy that time all chirping "cip cip cip cip"


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Very long article.dunno If is this same case or not
Go read yourself.
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https://www.aurelle-of-tampines.com.sg/buye...elated-dispute/

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post Dec 25 2024, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(danielmckey @ Dec 25 2024, 09:06 AM)
As usual foreigner is normally not fully protected under the law. They didn't read the term and conditions before buying.
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More like being conned by developer/agent🤭😂🤣
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post Dec 25 2024, 09:53 AM

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gov appruv this scam is it
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post Dec 25 2024, 09:56 AM

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If it is modified as they said post signatory, then it's really an issue.

Plus only scammers say such thing as past the legal timeline. It's similar as putting up a sign you can kill people in your home with no regard of the law.
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post Dec 25 2024, 09:57 AM

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Which apek con fellow apek? Manyak briyani and stupid apek con fellow apek
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post Dec 25 2024, 09:58 AM

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malaysia land of scammer
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post Dec 25 2024, 10:19 AM

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Mampus

This dispute will kill all prospective foregn buyers interest in local market

Dontplay play

On the bright side, Malaysians will enjoy dirt cheap real estate soon

Gooding
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post Dec 25 2024, 10:26 AM

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which con developer is this...wtf
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QUOTE(danielmckey @ Dec 25 2024, 09:06 AM)
As usual foreigner is normally not fully protected under the law. They didn't read the term and conditions before buying.
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Only foreigners buyers are involved?
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post Dec 25 2024, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(humbleman @ Dec 25 2024, 09:27 AM)
Iskandar Residences in Medini Iskandar Malaysia (MIM)
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QUOTE(s@ni @ Dec 25 2024, 09:29 AM)
But but.. None of them read the terms and conditions?
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How many of us will read the whole document? It’s usually a booklet.
I wonder if the developer provided free legal fees (developer’s lawyer) or not.
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QUOTE(abm @ Dec 25 2024, 10:36 AM)
How many of us will read the whole document? It’s usually a booklet.
I wonder if the developer provided free legal fees (developer’s lawyer) or not.
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Beli rumah ada s&p...


I nubis also beli rumah but I read it.. 😅 😅 😅
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post Dec 25 2024, 12:15 PM

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Anyone know which developer?
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post Dec 25 2024, 12:20 PM

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The right to own property in Johor is not extended to Singaporean citizens.
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post Dec 25 2024, 12:30 PM

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Their lawyer also sleep on documents

They are the legal expect and should have advise their client properly
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post Dec 25 2024, 12:46 PM

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Loll developer become mini gov can sub lease hold a property
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QUOTE(Sinkalan967 @ Dec 25 2024, 09:46 AM)
S$275K for 99 yrs worth it loh... car coe also 10 yrs only.
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The price is worthless when you can only sell or rent at the mercy of the developer. Meaning "no means no". And you're screwed.
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900k for a leasehold, somemore need to be choke on the neck.........................

The problem is the Singaporean didn't see properly whether it is lease or freehold before buying?
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post Dec 25 2024, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(Aftermaths @ Dec 25 2024, 12:56 PM)
900k for a leasehold, somemore need to be choke on the neck.........................

The problem is the Singaporean didn't see properly whether it is lease or freehold before buying?
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This doesn’t sound like leasehold
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post Dec 25 2024, 01:13 PM

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They probably using agents and the lawyers also in cahoots.
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post Dec 25 2024, 01:25 PM

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A lot of if things hard to understand

Thanks to malaysian reporters
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QUOTE(s@ni @ Dec 25 2024, 12:10 PM)
Beli rumah ada s&p...
I nubis also beli rumah but I read it.. 😅 😅 😅
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Good for you. Did you read every sentence?
Ae you surprised not everyone read in detail the content?
If there are 300 buyers, 1/3 of them didn’t read in detail. 100 kena trapped.
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post Dec 25 2024, 01:50 PM

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100 buyers didn't even ask if it's freehold or leasehold ????
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post Dec 25 2024, 01:56 PM

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can't the just name the developer??
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post Dec 25 2024, 02:09 PM

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Lol. Kena scam by the sales agent
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post Dec 25 2024, 02:30 PM

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if that is not fraud, i dunno what is...lol. mareshian.
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QUOTE(abm @ Dec 25 2024, 10:28 AM)
Only foreigners buyers are involved?
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News didn't say local, just assumed.
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QUOTE(Aftermaths @ Dec 25 2024, 12:56 PM)
900k for a leasehold, somemore need to be choke on the neck.........................

The problem is the Singaporean didn't see properly whether it is lease or freehold before buying?
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Even Singapore's HDB flats are not leasehold or freehold, no strata title.

Developer may have learned something from Singapore gov.
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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Dec 25 2024, 01:05 PM)
This doesn’t sound like leasehold
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Oh it fits leasehold technical description, just that it is not leasehold to gomen, but to developer.

This developer playing with fire, being the first case means it will likely be brought to court and fight there, become a landmark case.

Let's hope the decision will be to buyer benefit.
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WTF really vavi punya developer, 900k not even leasehold

I hope they win the case, these developers are too greedy


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QUOTE(niwde @ Dec 25 2024, 09:49 AM)
Very long article.dunno If is this same case or not
Go read yourself.
I donwan /k comment WOT

https://www.aurelle-of-tampines.com.sg/buye...elated-dispute/
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Yeah, this is the one.
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post Dec 25 2024, 03:20 PM

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how the bank approve the loan if the borrower cant get strata title out of it? usually permanent master title property will not be entertained
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Dec 25 2024, 03:20 PM)
how the bank approve the loan if the borrower cant get strata title out of it? usually permanent master title property will not be entertained
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Singapore HDB flats also no strata title lah.
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QUOTE(trusol @ Dec 25 2024, 03:37 PM)
Singapore HDB flats also no strata title lah.
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That means sinkie buy hdb in JB.

Lol dumbfcuks
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They think they allowed to buy cheap house?
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Dec 25 2024, 09:58 AM)
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Imagine how much they could charge and suck out of management fund as there is no strata. All managed and owned by developer.
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post Dec 25 2024, 05:01 PM

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Is it even legal? What happened if the dev bankrupt later? The house belongs to who? Kena lelong by bank to pay dev debt?
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These sinkies are the ones driving up the property prices in Johor.

No sympathy.
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The fuck kind of business practice is this?

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is a company owned by the federal government of Malaysia and the state government of Johor. It was established in 2006 to oversee investments in Iskandar Malaysia and focuses on developments in the Iskandar Puteri region. Khazanah Nasional and two pension funds in Malaysia are shareholders in the company.


Oh, understoodeded.

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I don’t even got such thing. Why would anyone signed up for this?
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Sent Luigi to meet the developer boss...
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QUOTE(Aftermaths @ Dec 25 2024, 12:56 PM)
900k for a leasehold, somemore need to be choke on the neck.........................

The problem is the Singaporean didn't see properly whether it is lease or freehold before buying?
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Bro, this is not the typical 99yrs leasehold we used to, this private leasehold is even worse than the typical leasehold. They don’t even get to vote for property management, they are just like tenants.

The developer still the actual owner, if developer one day pokai the creditors will come grab the property from the tenants. doh.gif
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QUOTE(Aftermaths @ Dec 25 2024, 12:56 PM)
900k for a leasehold, somemore need to be choke on the neck.........................

The problem is the Singaporean didn't see properly whether it is lease or freehold before buying?
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Leasehold you don’t own the land but you own the building. This case you don’t own the building.
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QUOTE(Chowda @ Dec 25 2024, 03:01 PM)
Oh it fits leasehold technical description, just that it is not leasehold to gomen, but to developer.

This developer playing with fire, being the first case means it will likely be brought to court and fight there, become a landmark case.

Let's hope the decision will be to buyer benefit.
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Leasehold to government the land owned by government but building owned by owner. This case the building not owned by owner. It is different.

 

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