How relevant is Christmas to Malaysia society?

You definitely can celebrate together, the makan part and the fun part. Just do not involve Muslims in the religious part of it. Just like you visit your friends during hari raya or deepavali.

This post has been edited by YoungMan: Dec 22 2024, 08:47 PM

Sometimes people vote in negativity to polls just for the LOL, but the same people will also complain about why the world is going the wrong way.
Humans are just humans.
We never see our own self as a part of the problem but insists that the problems came from others. In addition, very seldom will humans take the step to make a change but still expect others to make that change.

It is the season of giving, the year end holidays when we should be celebrating a year of effort while looking towards a new beginning. Everyone can have whatever celebration they want as long it's not bringing down others, so why is it an issue? And why the need to bring up a question on celebration? Isn't that a negativity in itself?

Brainwashed.

There is Mo Salah pics.

But Christmas is indeed a religious festival, for believers of Jesus to celebrate his birth despite how you try to position it as a national integration and social harmony and all that.

There are other national holidays you can use - new year, national day, malaysia day etc.

To insist that those who are triggered are wrong just shows your bias towards those who do not believe in Santa Clause, no?

My concept is to always celebrate other races to understand their culture more. Of course to celebrate within what's permitted in your religion. I attended church, but am not a Christian.

Quite relevant. Relevance is not for you personally to decide as it is not dependent on your personal standards and what you think matters, because your opinion is about as relevant as the opinion of that one kid who is happy about failing his English exam because he’s ’not British’ LOL

Of course there is a religious aspect. However, are you trying to say that Malaysians shouldn’t participate in Hari Raya, a festival of reflection after Ramadan, or Deepavali, the festival celebrating the victory of light over darkness?

As far as I know, Malaysians have always participated in these traditions across different cultural boundaries, and it is those of us who try to separate us and say we cannot participate in each other’s traditions regardless of religion that should be seen as the enemy within.

Yes, I mean enemy within. I mean that if you are reading this and you are sick of getting manipulated by these kinds of penunggangs, it is time to start considering them as the enemy of your generation and of our nation of Malaysia.

This post has been edited by Exoflare: Dec 23 2024, 08:38 AM

How sweet.

Even after the trolls have voted and MULTIPLE people have tried to report this thread (there were at least five separate instances of reporting), it looks like…




Sorry trolls who want to separate out Malaysians, your efforts aren’t going to work.

Now the question is how Malaysians should identify you and how today’s conversation should extend to all media outlets so that our default culture is that we should, to use some language I borrow from some of you, kecam those of you who want to control other Malaysians while saying that you must not be insulted 😊

What about next time asking playing firecrackers?
Here everyone play firecrackers whenever any festival comes out.

Yes. I host christmas parties every year. And every year a lot of people from all races came. Malay, Chinese, Indian, Iban, Dusun, Kadazan.

Well, I am interested to make it clear amongst the public what people think and what the general educated Malaysian population believes and therefore has an interest in making true across the entirety of Malaysia.

It is not only true here in LYN that separatists who want to stop us from celebrating together should be in the minority. It should be true for ALL of Malaysia as well and I look forward to watching people make that true in their own ways in their own homes and then causing their acquaintances to do the same thing through society.

I hate to invoke that old, tired, and almost MLM-inspired idea of how if a person goes out and influences two people, and those two people in turn go and influence two more, it will lead to a change in society. However it is a fact that if that process were to simply occur 25 times with every subsequent generation, you would be able to reach the entire Malaysian population by nothing more than mathematics and committing to a rule of two each time. (Math is explained below)

This is the idea, and it is out there. For those of you who hate the fact that there are those who want to push us apart from one another, we are clear about what we reject as a society, and the only question is how the message will reach the rest.

It is not for one person to decide, rather it is the collective response of a few people, even 1% of those who saw this, that may make that crucial difference.

How will you change Malaysia? It doesn’t need to be what I proposed as that’s for you to decide, not me, but what I would suggest is the elimination of any form of religious extremism in our society and community. 😊


Note: Here is the math for how it happens.



Explained in plain English, this is what happens if the following process begins.

Somebody reads what they saw here, and then spreads the idea to two people.

The total number of people influenced at this point is 3 people, including the single person who was influenced (2 to the power of 0) and the two people who were influenced by them (2 to the power of 1 people), indicating that the total sum of people who were influenced at this point is that single person and the two people that they influenced - 3 people in total.

The 2 to the power of 2 term onwards is what occurs when the two people mentioned before go on to influence two others. Since it's two each, therefore there are four people that have been influenced in addition to the three that came before, for a total of seven people, and this process goes on and on. When you reach a total of 25 such doublings, it will be at that point that you reach the integer value that is smallest, indicating that the sum of total people influenced is at least or greater than or equal to the size of the Malaysian population.

Also interesting:

What happens when we add in probability. As it turns out, if the chance of someone choosing to spread ideas when exposed to them is 90% and that probability remains consistent across doublings, only 7 people initially are needed to reach the entire country, and if it’s 80%, then that would be 106 people 🤭


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Absolutely!

Hahaha, I’m not personally a fan of firecrackers but I can tolerate and celebrate with people!

The same way all people need not be fans of Christmas but may participate in Christmas celebrations or at least not object in a damaging fashion or denigrate the opportunity to unite when people say they want to hang out with their friends during Christmas.

This post has been edited by Exoflare: Dec 23 2024, 10:03 AM

Hence that's why I mentioned "to Malaysia society" and not "to me"

I have no problems celebrating Christmas with whoever / wherever

Also, I have many Christian / Catholic friends, some who are very close to me

Office dinner also got exchange Christmas gifts

So far, never murtad (commit apostasy) also ....

This post has been edited by laksamana: Dec 23 2024, 09:17 AM

You can see from the post below yours that it’s pretty relevant.

We all thrive on the small moments of happiness we share that affirm our relationships to one another and keep our conversations going as a goodwill, and we get to share why our beliefs are important to us even if we don’t agree or even if there’s no spreading of religion involved.

It doesn’t have to be a religious spreadfest and most of the time it’s not unless people want it to be.

Those who want you to believe it is are the toxic ones, and if we see them, it’s good to start to tegur.

Amar makruf nahi mungkar, I believe?

I don’t see why that logic should only be relevant when it’s being weaponized to attack people 🙃

That’s amazing! I hope you’ll have a super amazing one this year too or that you had a great one! 🤩

Report kaki masuk lagi.

Can you stop crying just because people want to kecam you and stop your manipulations of the public?



What can’t you tolerate?

Why don’t you like losing control?

What do you want to manipulate your fellow citizens to do even as your fellow citizens realize that perhaps instead of being manipulated by you, perhaps they should start to control you instead? 😊

For Non, it is fine to celebrate together.

OK I realise where you are coming from.
To you religious festivals = traditional cultural events.

I remember a Chistian friend who forbidded his kids from eating some fruits which has been earlier placed on a deity's altar during Chinese New Year visit.

There are those who treat religion a bit more seriously, hope you respect their choices and stop calling them enemy.

It’s also ok per the mufti WP judgment, which someone on another platform was kind enough to share with me, as long as there isn’t a visit to rumah ibadat.

A note that mufti WP judgment is better than relying on a random scholar overseas, which some of the trolls like relying on.

Read the judgment here.

The spirit of what you said makes sense.

However, I will have to push back on the last part of what you said because it is factually incorrect to say “There are those who treat religion a bit more seriously, hope you respect their choices and stop calling them enemy.”

People do not avoid Christmas celebrations because they are ‘treating religion more seriously’. You are making the assumption that treating religion more seriously = people refuse to celebrate Christmas and cannot participate in Christmas when rather than ‘being more serious’, it is more accurate to say that those who actively choose to avoid Christmas celebrations are following a different set of scholars, or their interpretation is merely different.

They are no better than people who participate in Christmas celebrations.

It is an unfair insult to people of faith to say that they are choosing to integrate or celebrate Christmas only because they are ‘less serious’ about their faith compared to other Muslims, and it is the ‘less serious’ line of reasoning that makes it so that people feel guilt tripped into choosing not to go for Christmas celebrations.

Thus, while I accept the spirit of what you are saying, I reject your final assumptions, and maintain the following:

I view that anyone who attempts to stop their fellow followers from integrating into Malaysia and into all our celebrations or attempts to emotionally manipulate them on the false premise that they are ‘more serious about religion’ is an enemy of the nation and should be treated as such.

This post has been edited by Exoflare: Dec 23 2024, 12:07 PM

If the celebration doesn’t involve religion activities, I don’t see why ppl from different ethnicities and religions can’t celebrate together.

E.g. Been to a few companies where they do exchange gifts and simple pot luck for Christmas. Apa type also participated and it was not compulsary.


Also did Lou Sang when with the colleagues (again apa type pun ada) when I was working in a bank.