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post Dec 23 2024, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(Palisades @ Dec 21 2024, 04:50 PM)
To justify means arrogance? You just made a sweeping general statement about people in their 50s can't adapt. Where are your statistics? There are a lot of smart people who can adapt in their 50s. A lot of vice presidents and business owners are in their 50s. Elon Musk is 53yo - he has 3 successful business in rocket, EV and social media business plus he is now a Trump advisor, that speaks a lot about adaptability. That arrogance generalization should be pointed back to you and you made sweeping assumptions "mostly", how mostly? 50%? 60%? 80% ?

Again here lies in your discrimination and misjudgement of people character. You've got to synergize people with different skills and characteristics. To justify is not a sign of pride. Americans likes to speak their mind, so you telling me that you should shun working with Americans? In the workplace, there are people who justify - lawyers, a marketing consultant that does their pitch, a sales guy who wants to close their sales, an analyst that produces his results and stats to show why co is in this situation.

Just because you had bad experiences with older people does not mean, the rest is as bad as they are.

I am 51yo, not 70yo, for goodness sakes. Yes I may have higher chances of diseases. But I tell you, I am a lot more fitter than most dudes younger than me. When I climbed Tabur and Broga hills, I see young people left behind in a huff and puff breathless. There are young people who kena cancer in their 20s and 30s, for your information. Yes perhaps stats show higher risks, but that doesn't mean I am a zombie, for goodness sakes. In Japan, UK, Singapore, Australia, they hire people in their mid 60s to work, there's got to be some justification to that.

I cycle once per week, on Saturdays, so its one day = 75km. Again, you like to assume. Who tells you that cycling does not put much pressure on your knees. I cycle up to Genting sempah. I don't cycle on flat land, mostly hilly terrain and I maintain my cadence.

And another thing, I did not know you are a younger person. We just communicate here, I have never seen you in my life. Seriously, you have issues, just because someone don't agree with you, does not mean that someone is full of pride don't listen to advice and full of arrogance. The other way can be said of you.

My reply shows how I see younger people? You think I have bionic eyes can see you are younger in this forum?

I have worked as a freelancer before, does not make as money as my senior position plus cashflow due to clients don't prioritize accounting and audit work payments. Maybe audit and taxation can enforce, but not so much accounting work. E-invoice is very challenging as it involves IT and mediaware expertise.
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Rant all you want, it show how arrogant u are. Most of the replies here agree with my statement, or at least questioned your network. I imagine you are not an easy person to work with. While u rant and try your hardest to justify your arrogance, I'm going to let u win in public forum. I'm not the one who open a thread in public online forum asking for a job anyway.

With your attitude, good luck working with gen z. They will cancel u right away. U may want to reflect on how u respond to criticism and harsh response. Sometime the problem is not with others, but within yourself.
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post Dec 23 2024, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(Palisades @ Dec 21 2024, 04:50 PM)
To justify means arrogance? You just made a sweeping general statement about people in their 50s can't adapt. Where are your statistics? There are a lot of smart people who can adapt in their 50s. A lot of vice presidents and business owners are in their 50s. Elon Musk is 53yo - he has 3 successful business in rocket, EV and social media business plus he is now a Trump advisor, that speaks a lot about adaptability. That arrogance generalization should be pointed back to you and you made sweeping assumptions "mostly", how mostly? 50%? 60%? 80% ?

Again here lies in your discrimination and misjudgement of people character. You've got to synergize people with different skills and characteristics. To justify is not a sign of pride. Americans likes to speak their mind, so you telling me that you should shun working with Americans? In the workplace, there are people who justify - lawyers, a marketing consultant that does their pitch, a sales guy who wants to close their sales, an analyst that produces his results and stats to show why co is in this situation.

Just because you had bad experiences with older people does not mean, the rest is as bad as they are.

I am 51yo, not 70yo, for goodness sakes. Yes I may have higher chances of diseases. But I tell you, I am a lot more fitter than most dudes younger than me. When I climbed Tabur and Broga hills, I see young people left behind in a huff and puff breathless. There are young people who kena cancer in their 20s and 30s, for your information. Yes perhaps stats show higher risks, but that doesn't mean I am a zombie, for goodness sakes. In Japan, UK, Singapore, Australia, they hire people in their mid 60s to work, there's got to be some justification to that.

I cycle once per week, on Saturdays, so its one day = 75km. Again, you like to assume. Who tells you that cycling does not put much pressure on your knees. I cycle up to Genting sempah. I don't cycle on flat land, mostly hilly terrain and I maintain my cadence.

And another thing, I did not know you are a younger person. We just communicate here, I have never seen you in my life. Seriously, you have issues, just because someone don't agree with you, does not mean that someone is full of pride don't listen to advice and full of arrogance. The other way can be said of you.

My reply shows how I see younger people? You think I have bionic eyes can see you are younger in this forum?

I have worked as a freelancer before, does not make as money as my senior position plus cashflow due to clients don't prioritize accounting and audit work payments. Maybe audit and taxation can enforce, but not so much accounting work. E-invoice is very challenging as it involves IT and mediaware expertise.
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your reply reeks of boomer mentality, don't know how to save you.
elon musk 50+ is an example? your logic circuit is not working.....please go read back what you wrote.

you need to accept when u get older, u definitely bring less to the table and you need to be flexible with expectations.
if you want big bucks, you need to open your own business.

QUOTE(*lightbringer* @ Dec 23 2024, 08:52 AM)
Rant all you want, it show how arrogant u are. Most of the replies here agree with my statement, or at least questioned your network. I imagine you are not an easy person to work with. While u rant and try your hardest to justify your arrogance, I'm going to let u win in public forum. I'm not the one who open a thread in public online forum asking for a job anyway.

With your attitude, good luck working with gen z. They will cancel u right away. U may want to reflect on how u respond to criticism and harsh response. Sometime the problem is not with others, but within yourself.
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well, TS is pretty delusional in a sad way. we all know who won here

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post Dec 23 2024, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(*lightbringer* @ Dec 23 2024, 08:52 AM)
Rant all you want, it show how arrogant u are. Most of the replies here agree with my statement, or at least questioned your network. I imagine you are not an easy person to work with. While u rant and try your hardest to justify your arrogance, I'm going to let u win in public forum. I'm not the one who open a thread in public online forum asking for a job anyway.

With your attitude, good luck working with gen z. They will cancel u right away. U may want to reflect on how u respond to criticism and harsh response. Sometime the problem is not with others, but within yourself.
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QUOTE(Chobits @ Dec 23 2024, 10:02 AM)
your reply reeks of boomer mentality, don't know how to save you.
elon musk 50+ is an example? your logic circuit is not working.....please go read back what you wrote.

you need to accept when u get older, u definitely bring less to the table and you need to be flexible with expectations.
if you want big bucks, you need to open your own business.
well, TS is pretty delusional in a sad way. we all know who won here
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aduh. compare young people heart attack and what broga hill.

youngsters today are smart and adaptable. that's why i always respect my nieces and nephews and talk to them on eye level, not seniority level.

true, if 50s, still cannot find job through connection, then what ts has done past decades? burn bridges?

no right or wrong, i think 5 pages is enough advice given.

all the best, ts, i do really hope you find a job, everyone just wants to put food on table at the end of the day.

This post has been edited by gashout: Dec 23 2024, 12:44 PM
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post Dec 23 2024, 12:49 PM

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You still working. Just work until your last breath.
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post Dec 23 2024, 01:35 PM

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Plenty of Job out there, It's matter of one attitude and willingness to accept or not.
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post Dec 23 2024, 02:14 PM

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Hi,
I'm sap background, not FI though. But as you mention, you don't want (or don't have the skill?) to do IT related work like sap system upgrades, data migration, data mapping, 3rd party data integration, bank integration, which is like the majority of sap project works. I don't know how valuable is an accountant that don't specialise in a system...but since you have difficulty, I assume it's hard out there, since it's easy to get sap works especially finance.
I don't know your exact situation, but if youre single, there will be a time, when you just want to do thing without answering to people.
Anyway, good luck bro.
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post Dec 23 2024, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(soul78 @ Dec 19 2024, 12:12 AM)
We're in the age of depopulationz...

Oredi say.. 5 years, whatever you save... irregardless how old you are... make you if you don't work for a long time... that pot of money can sustain you indefinitely..

if wanna get a job... this few years.. dont be soo picky... all the best...

2 years time AI will be full fledge agentic.. alot more white collar jobs would be wiped out..
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How u know AI will replace us? And why 5 years?

Autonomous job maybe la but u can't expect chatgpt to manage a team
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post Dec 23 2024, 07:00 PM

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Reading TS posts makes me scared with my own future.

I have a colleague that almost 50 years old. But decided to stay until retirement since there will be age discrimination if my colleague find a new job.

Now I understand why some people refuse to jump to other companies if their current work environment, their coworkers are good. I mean good in terms of not toxic, less drama and other issues.

Other than that, company stability is also important if you plan to work in a long term

This post has been edited by xpole: Dec 23 2024, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE(gashout @ Dec 23 2024, 12:44 PM)
aduh. compare young people heart attack and what broga hill.

youngsters today are smart and adaptable. that's why i always respect my nieces and nephews and talk to them on eye level, not seniority level.

true, if 50s, still cannot find job through connection, then what ts has done past decades? burn bridges?

no right or wrong, i think 5 pages is enough advice given.

all the best, ts, i do really hope you find a job, everyone just wants to put food on table at the end of the day.
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Hmmm why i kena tag in this post lol

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post Dec 24 2024, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(Palisades @ Dec 19 2024, 12:06 AM)
Earlier I have issue at work. Everyday nightmare dealing with this fella difficult staff.

Want to change job, kept applying, but recently 2 employers at jobstreet rejected my application.

Then I bombarded linkedin with 30 applications, macam no progress.

Is life over at 51yo? Not sure why employers refuse to take me in. I am in good health, no high blood pressure. I know people as young as 37yo already kena high blood pressure. HR so particular with age meh?

I am an Accountant.
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Sorry lambat reply. Buat part time accountant saja. Got several of my fren doing it. Good life juga.
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post Dec 24 2024, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(xpole @ Dec 23 2024, 07:00 PM)
Reading TS posts makes me scared with my own future.

I have a colleague that almost 50 years old. But decided to stay until retirement since there will be age discrimination if my colleague find a new job.

Now I understand why some people refuse to jump to other companies if their current work environment, their coworkers are good. I mean good in terms of not toxic, less drama and other issues.

Other than that, company stability is also important if you plan to work in a long term
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most people's productive years are only 25 years. make sure to make good use of the time and energy while you are still young and healthy.

never take granted for things... buy what 100k cars when you don't have enough money for retirement
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post Dec 24 2024, 11:55 AM

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51 either you're already top 20% or still middle 40%.

if you're at top 20% category then cincai jump also can become director.

if still middle 40% then not much chance already.
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post Dec 24 2024, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(cHaRsIeWpAu^^ @ Dec 24 2024, 11:55 AM)
51 either you're already top 20% or still middle 40%.

if you're at top 20% category then cincai jump also can become director.

if still middle 40% then not much chance already.
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bottom 40% how?
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post Dec 24 2024, 12:03 PM

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I am not your age yet and do not know you personally but here are some of the suggestions that you might find it useful:

1. know your own value and scale up, usually 50s will be aiming for senior leadership role

2. build more rapport and professional connection, every opportunity counts

3. know more younger generations and mix well with them, they are usually smarter (according to scientific research)

4. you can try the entrepreneur road but it's not going to be easy

5. people can give you advise or criticism but it's up to you interpret and to take action

6. you cannot stop others of how they judge you but you can regulate your emotions when being judged


summary: it's your life, it's your choice, may you find some light at the end of the road
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post Dec 24 2024, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(*lightbringer* @ Dec 19 2024, 09:00 AM)
As business owner, let me be frank. Its almost impossible to hire someone above 50 because of the following:
1. Most old people can't cope with technology. Some so stubborn, die2 want to use old school system.
2. Health Issue.
3. Attitude. Old people are usually stubborn af. They dont want to listen to young people, no matter how good the advise is.
4. Salary too high mainly because years and years of experience. But let face it, 10 years experience is good enough already.
5. Commitment issue. Young couples, or newly married couple are better as they have commitment. Old people usually have this dgaf attitude.

I know it does not apply to all, but most are. I do have one manager at 56 years old. Dont know how to use phone other than forwarding message and tiktok. Cant even use online banking. Stubborn af. Had bypass surgery, slip disk, and yet still smoke like no tomorrow, everyday also drink cap kapak whisky.
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post Dec 24 2024, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Dec 24 2024, 11:58 AM)
bottom 40% how?
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QUOTE(gashout @ Dec 24 2024, 11:58 AM)
bottom 40% how?
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already bottom, what do you expect?

continue current job lo, takkan you no qualification/experience still wanna jump ship at this age.
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why don't TS serve free lancer accounting, tax?
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post Dec 25 2024, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Dec 24 2024, 11:58 AM)
bottom 40% how?
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QUOTE(*lightbringer* @ Dec 19 2024, 09:00 AM)
As business owner, let me be frank. Its almost impossible to hire someone above 50 because of the following:
1. Most old people can't cope with technology. Some so stubborn, die2 want to use old school system.
2. Health Issue.
3. Attitude. Old people are usually stubborn af. They dont want to listen to young people, no matter how good the advise is.
4. Salary too high mainly because years and years of experience. But let face it, 10 years experience is good enough already.
5. Commitment issue. Young couples, or newly married couple are better as they have commitment. Old people usually have this dgaf attitude.

I know it does not apply to all, but most are. I do have one manager at 56 years old. Dont know how to use phone other than forwarding message and tiktok. Cant even use online banking. Stubborn af. Had bypass surgery, slip disk, and yet still smoke like no tomorrow, everyday also drink cap kapak whisky.
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no 5, mean old people no/less commitment?

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