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post Nov 12 2024, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(ameer88 @ Nov 12 2024, 12:03 PM)
the picture refers to strengthening work to strengthen old building or to add more strength to new additional floors.

how about structure that has sunk in by 100-200mm or more?

we are talking about 44floors with massive weight to it.  ohmy.gif
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Yes.

If it is foundation problem, building settled still can do underpinning.

This case is a severe structural failure at the bottom of the building. Unlikely to be fixable.
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QUOTE(ameer88 @ Nov 12 2024, 12:03 PM)
the picture refers to strengthening work to strengthen old building or to add more strength to new additional floors.

how about structure that has sunk in by 100-200mm or more?

we are talking about 44floors with massive weight to it.  ohmy.gif
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read this, someone also mention about the issue is cause by the structure not foundation sinking.

Foundation sinking, the whole site will need to be demolished, cause you cant rescue just one part

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=110764436
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QUOTE(zeroty @ Nov 12 2024, 12:17 PM)
Yes.

If it is foundation problem, building settled still can do underpinning.

This case is a severe structural failure at the bottom of the building. Unlikely to be fixable.
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hm, let share something..

IF ya, IF only ya, if the scenario (let call Scenario 1), the settlement started at foundation, which founded on the incompetent limestone formation, and the foundation has caused the settlement and the basement structure settlement as more than 100mm as rumoured.
The structural wall at the lowest unit (above the carpark) cracked severely.

A finite element structural (FEM) model shall be conducted, to simulate the current situation which some wall supports have been damaged (or lost), with push over analysis, to theoretically identify affected structure (wall, structural framing elements, transfer structure), to check what is the extent of the stresses re-distribution. Of course, this is desktop study, asbuilt on site investigation also needed to be done to verify whether currently damage extent matching the analysis part (how much the building deformed, what kind of cracking behaviour, etc). To determine the structure (whole part) whether is in overstress condition above ultimate design resistance? or above service limit stage but still within the ultimate design requirement? for all the structural elements.
Ok, i try to simplify this, if a table lost 1 of it's leg (out of many legs, maybe 5 maybe 6 maybe more), and if the table is still stable, means the adjacent legs may act to help this OKU leg, and we need to understand the situation of remaining legs. And building structural framing is more complex than this.
This part is relatively straight forward if you got a good engineering expert to do.

Ok, come to slightly tedious part. Further to scenario 1, IF (if again ar) the building found to be in accepted deflected position (in layman, not titled very badly and acceptable structural tolerance), only part of the structural (maybe big part maybe small part) damaged and needed to be removed/strengthened/repaired, and only if the building is JACKABLE and PROPPABLE.

Next, you need to stabilise the building while removing damaged structural elements (or strengthen the building before any removal), this again, you need to reanalyse to check how much stresses are again re-distribute to the asbuilt structure. If you are jacking up the building, how much force and where to jack to reinstate the structure to it's original position or original design intended state. Wrong/Over/Inaccurate Jacking might cause others structure to experience more stresses, and further damage may occur.
Imagine, if you going to lift the lose leg table and replace 1 new. Yes, you easy can lift it up and install it, but in structural framing, all piles and structural framing is connected, you cannot lift it into air or overjacked (overpulled).

And the locked-in stress and design stress for each elements. Say, if the adjacent non-collapse wall (WALL A) was subjected to 10tonnes forces initially, but after the collapsed (lost of support) of other wall (small brother), say maybe WALL A subjected to 15tonnes forces now as it's small brother failed. Then if you going to build another new wall to replace OKU small brother, u also need to make sure this new brother takes back the 5tonnes from the WALL A, unless you can ensure WALL A can absorb this additional 5tonnes and still comply with the design compliances.

Also, IF for this scenario 1 failed by piles, means the asbuilt foundation and piles also needed to be reviewed and rechecked, another exercise needed.

Aiya, typed too long.... shud stop here....

No easy..... Hopefully our boleh land can get a right boleh expert to do so lah.

Haha, if other scenarios, then others story lah.
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QUOTE(kinnasai @ Nov 12 2024, 03:06 PM)
hm, let share something..

IF ya, IF only ya, if the scenario (let call Scenario 1), the settlement started at foundation, which founded on the incompetent limestone formation, and the foundation has caused the settlement and the basement structure settlement as more than 100mm as rumoured.
The structural wall at the lowest unit (above the carpark) cracked severely.

A finite element structural (FEM) model shall be conducted, to simulate the current situation which some wall supports have been damaged (or lost), with push over analysis, to theoretically identify affected structure (wall, structural framing elements, transfer structure), to check what is the extent of the stresses re-distribution. Of course, this is desktop study, asbuilt on site investigation also needed to be done to verify whether currently damage extent matching the analysis part (how much the building deformed, what kind of cracking behaviour, etc). To determine the structure (whole part) whether is in overstress condition above ultimate design resistance? or above service limit stage but still within the ultimate design requirement? for all the structural elements.
Ok, i try to simplify this, if a table lost 1 of it's leg (out of many legs, maybe 5 maybe 6 maybe more), and if the table is still stable, means the adjacent legs may act to help this OKU leg, and we need to understand the situation of remaining legs. And building structural framing is more complex than this.
This part is relatively straight forward if you got a good engineering expert to do.

Ok, come to slightly tedious part. Further to scenario 1, IF (if again ar) the building found to be in accepted deflected position (in layman, not titled very badly and acceptable structural tolerance), only part of the structural (maybe big part maybe small part) damaged and needed to be removed/strengthened/repaired, and only if the building is JACKABLE and PROPPABLE.

Next, you need to stabilise the building while removing damaged structural elements (or strengthen the building before any removal), this again, you need to reanalyse to check how much stresses are again re-distribute to the asbuilt structure. If you are jacking up the building, how much force and where to jack to reinstate the structure to it's original position or original design intended state. Wrong/Over/Inaccurate Jacking might cause others structure to experience more stresses, and further damage may occur.
Imagine, if you going to lift the lose leg table and replace 1 new. Yes, you easy can lift it up and install it, but in structural framing, all piles and structural framing is connected, you cannot lift it into air or overjacked (overpulled).

And the locked-in stress and design stress for each elements. Say, if the adjacent non-collapse wall (WALL A) was subjected to 10tonnes forces initially, but after the collapsed (lost of support) of other wall (small brother), say maybe WALL A subjected to 15tonnes forces now as it's small brother failed. Then if you going to build another new wall to replace OKU small brother, u also need to make sure this new brother takes back the 5tonnes from the WALL A, unless you can ensure WALL A can absorb this additional 5tonnes and still comply with the design compliances.

Also, IF for this scenario 1 failed by piles, means the asbuilt foundation and piles also needed to be reviewed and rechecked, another exercise needed.

Aiya, typed too long.... shud stop here....

No easy..... Hopefully our boleh land can get a right boleh expert to do so lah.

Haha, if other scenarios, then others story lah.
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wow so long hahahaha.

Give us your simple opinion and conclusion?

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QUOTE(ameer88 @ Nov 12 2024, 03:11 PM)
wow so long hahahaha.

Give us your simple opinion and conclusion?
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post Nov 12 2024, 05:33 PM

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Calm your tits /K, expert has spoken. Just Relax, nothing serious.

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QUOTE(kotaro_minami @ Nov 12 2024, 05:33 PM)
Calm your tits /K, expert has spoken. Just Relax, nothing serious.

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Which are walls, which are columns, which are load bearing column?
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QUOTE(kotaro_minami @ Nov 12 2024, 05:33 PM)
Calm your tits /K, expert has spoken. Just Relax, nothing serious.

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Please dont let this student graduate.
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QUOTE(kinnasai @ Nov 12 2024, 03:06 PM)
hm, let share something..

IF ya, IF only ya, if the scenario (let call Scenario 1), the settlement started at foundation, which founded on the incompetent limestone formation, and the foundation has caused the settlement and the basement structure settlement as more than 100mm as rumoured.
The structural wall at the lowest unit (above the carpark) cracked severely.

A finite element structural (FEM) model shall be conducted, to simulate the current situation which some wall supports have been damaged (or lost), with push over analysis, to theoretically identify affected structure (wall, structural framing elements, transfer structure), to check what is the extent of the stresses re-distribution. Of course, this is desktop study, asbuilt on site investigation also needed to be done to verify whether currently damage extent matching the analysis part (how much the building deformed, what kind of cracking behaviour, etc). To determine the structure (whole part) whether is in overstress condition above ultimate design resistance? or above service limit stage but still within the ultimate design requirement? for all the structural elements.
Ok, i try to simplify this, if a table lost 1 of it's leg (out of many legs, maybe 5 maybe 6 maybe more), and if the table is still stable, means the adjacent legs may act to help this OKU leg, and we need to understand the situation of remaining legs. And building structural framing is more complex than this.
This part is relatively straight forward if you got a good engineering expert to do.

Ok, come to slightly tedious part. Further to scenario 1, IF (if again ar) the building found to be in accepted deflected position (in layman, not titled very badly and acceptable structural tolerance), only part of the structural (maybe big part maybe small part) damaged and needed to be removed/strengthened/repaired, and only if the building is JACKABLE and PROPPABLE.

Next, you need to stabilise the building while removing damaged structural elements (or strengthen the building before any removal), this again, you need to reanalyse to check how much stresses are again re-distribute to the asbuilt structure. If you are jacking up the building, how much force and where to jack to reinstate the structure to it's original position or original design intended state. Wrong/Over/Inaccurate Jacking might cause others structure to experience more stresses, and further damage may occur.
Imagine, if you going to lift the lose leg table and replace 1 new. Yes, you easy can lift it up and install it, but in structural framing, all piles and structural framing is connected, you cannot lift it into air or overjacked (overpulled).

And the locked-in stress and design stress for each elements. Say, if the adjacent non-collapse wall (WALL A) was subjected to 10tonnes forces initially, but after the collapsed (lost of support) of other wall (small brother), say maybe WALL A subjected to 15tonnes forces now as it's small brother failed. Then if you going to build another new wall to replace OKU small brother, u also need to make sure this new brother takes back the 5tonnes from the WALL A, unless you can ensure WALL A can absorb this additional 5tonnes and still comply with the design compliances.

Also, IF for this scenario 1 failed by piles, means the asbuilt foundation and piles also needed to be reviewed and rechecked, another exercise needed.

Aiya, typed too long.... shud stop here....

No easy..... Hopefully our boleh land can get a right boleh expert to do so lah.

Haha, if other scenarios, then others story lah.
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Bro. TLDR. Can summary ah? Can fix or need to demolish. Just want to know this answer only. Others no need. Haha
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QUOTE(kotaro_minami @ Nov 12 2024, 05:33 PM)
Calm your tits /K, expert has spoken. Just Relax, nothing serious.

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got say = no say
just wanna brag he is expert student
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QUOTE(kinnasai @ Nov 12 2024, 03:06 PM)
hm, let share something..

IF ya, IF only ya, if the scenario (let call Scenario 1), the settlement started at foundation, which founded on the incompetent limestone formation, and the foundation has caused the settlement and the basement structure settlement as more than 100mm as rumoured.
The structural wall at the lowest unit (above the carpark) cracked severely.

A finite element structural (FEM) model shall be conducted, to simulate the current situation which some wall supports have been damaged (or lost), with push over analysis, to theoretically identify affected structure (wall, structural framing elements, transfer structure), to check what is the extent of the stresses re-distribution. Of course, this is desktop study, asbuilt on site investigation also needed to be done to verify whether currently damage extent matching the analysis part (how much the building deformed, what kind of cracking behaviour, etc). To determine the structure (whole part) whether is in overstress condition above ultimate design resistance? or above service limit stage but still within the ultimate design requirement? for all the structural elements.
Ok, i try to simplify this, if a table lost 1 of it's leg (out of many legs, maybe 5 maybe 6 maybe more), and if the table is still stable, means the adjacent legs may act to help this OKU leg, and we need to understand the situation of remaining legs. And building structural framing is more complex than this.
This part is relatively straight forward if you got a good engineering expert to do.

Ok, come to slightly tedious part. Further to scenario 1, IF (if again ar) the building found to be in accepted deflected position (in layman, not titled very badly and acceptable structural tolerance), only part of the structural (maybe big part maybe small part) damaged and needed to be removed/strengthened/repaired, and only if the building is JACKABLE and PROPPABLE.

Next, you need to stabilise the building while removing damaged structural elements (or strengthen the building before any removal), this again, you need to reanalyse to check how much stresses are again re-distribute to the asbuilt structure. If you are jacking up the building, how much force and where to jack to reinstate the structure to it's original position or original design intended state. Wrong/Over/Inaccurate Jacking might cause others structure to experience more stresses, and further damage may occur.
Imagine, if you going to lift the lose leg table and replace 1 new. Yes, you easy can lift it up and install it, but in structural framing, all piles and structural framing is connected, you cannot lift it into air or overjacked (overpulled).

And the locked-in stress and design stress for each elements. Say, if the adjacent non-collapse wall (WALL A) was subjected to 10tonnes forces initially, but after the collapsed (lost of support) of other wall (small brother), say maybe WALL A subjected to 15tonnes forces now as it's small brother failed. Then if you going to build another new wall to replace OKU small brother, u also need to make sure this new brother takes back the 5tonnes from the WALL A, unless you can ensure WALL A can absorb this additional 5tonnes and still comply with the design compliances.

Also, IF for this scenario 1 failed by piles, means the asbuilt foundation and piles also needed to be reviewed and rechecked, another exercise needed.

Aiya, typed too long.... shud stop here....

No easy..... Hopefully our boleh land can get a right boleh expert to do so lah.

Haha, if other scenarios, then others story lah.
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Nobody got the time and the money for alll this

Need the most simplest and fastest solution with the least resources to resume back work
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post Nov 12 2024, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(kotaro_minami @ Nov 12 2024, 05:33 PM)
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architect lol

farking wall is not load bearing lol


ayam almost puke my dinner laughing so hard
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 12 2024, 06:01 PM)
architect lol

farking wall is not load bearing lol
ayam almost puke my dinner laughing so hard
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this fella is one of the company punya son kah?

ask him to stay there lah after this
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QUOTE(kotaro_minami @ Nov 12 2024, 05:33 PM)
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I'm not mech eng....but I'm under the impression that almost every wall in condo have some load bearing element. Just how much only.
I could be wrong; but saying some walls on condo not load bearing doesn't make sense to me. Cause these are not partition, the building not yet finished.
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QUOTE(kens88` @ Nov 12 2024, 06:10 PM)
I'm not mech eng....but I'm under the impression that almost every wall in condo have some load bearing element. Just how much only.
I could be wrong; but saying some walls on condo not load bearing doesn't make sense to me. Cause these are not partition, the building not yet finished.
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partition wall is not load bearing

shear wall is

the one cracked in this case you can see expose BMC, no one use RC wall for partition wall

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He forgot to end with use handsaplast and elephant glue can fix the problem..
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QUOTE(kotaro_minami @ Nov 12 2024, 05:33 PM)
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1)The Wall is shear wall, full stop.

2) The Unit/floor sitting on transfer floor (structure wall crack might be due to transfer floor)

3) Transfer floor support by multiple column+beam. If transfer floor got issue, then mostly due to column beam below(parking floor)

4) Parking floor (below transfer floor) got crack+sink(as per video spread in YouTube). Can AGAK conclude Beam/Column Failed.

5)Since I'm not involve in this project, so may suspect multiple of beam/column got issue liao.

6) How come Column/Beam got issue? Might be because of pile issue.

7) pile got issue, might be soil settlement, movement, act of god blah blah.

8) But one thing for sure...... This Architecture Student need to re-educate.
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QUOTE(kotaro_minami @ Nov 12 2024, 05:33 PM)
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sohai nia this student...memalukan architect as the S.O. knn mcb


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KUALA LUMPUR (Nov 18): Gandingan Jakel Sdn Bhd said it is actively working with Kuala Lumpur City Hall (DBKL) to address concerns at its J Satine project in Wangsa Maju, following a stop-work order issued by the authorities on Nov 8.

The stop-work order stemmed from complaints from nearby residents about an explosion at the site. Investigations by DBKL revealed cracks in the shear walls, columns, and floors of units on the eighth floor and above.

In a statement on Monday, Gandingan Jakel reiterated its commitment to resolving the matter efficiently, in response to an article titled "Issues at J Satine a nightmare for all stakeholders" published in The Edge for the week of Nov 18-24, which noted that the main contractor for the project, TCS Group Holding Bhd (KL:TCS), as well as DBKL, had both issued statements on the issue while the project owners, Platinum Victory and Gandingan Jakel put up standard notices on their websites and social media platforms.

Gandingan Jakel also said it had taken immediate actions to ensure full compliance with all relevant building codes and regulations. These measures included engaging an independent third-party consultant for a structural assessment, installing temporary structural supports as a precautionary step and implementing enhanced safety protocols, as well as daily audits.

The preliminary structural assessment is now nearing completion, with quality checks and remediation measures to follow under the supervision of project consultants, it said.

To ensure stakeholders remain informed, Gandingan Jakel said it had established multiple communication channels, including regular updates via its website, social media platforms, and direct engagement with purchasers.

Gandingan Jakel said it had also, via its dedicated frequently asked question (FAQ) webpage, clarified that no explosion occurred at the site and there was no risk from the project to neighbouring buildings or infrastructure.

“A comprehensive investigation by a highly respected third-party consultant is currently underway. We are working diligently to assess and determine the best course of action,” it said.

“We expect the full report to be ready within the next few months. This report will detail the exact nature and extent of these issues and recommend specific remedial actions,” it added.

J Satine, a mixed-use development comprising 3,600 affordable housing units, 661 SoHo units, and 42 commercial lots, is a joint venture between Platinum Victory Group and Jakel Group’s property arm.

TCS’s (KL:TCS) wholly owned subsidiary TCS Construction Sdn Bhd was appointed as main contractor by the JV company Jayyid Land Sdn Bhd in June 2021.
some update. hopefully we can get more info soon

https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/734349

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