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T15 are not your enemies
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sansaboy
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Nov 2 2024, 10:05 PM
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So madani petrol subsidy logic =
B40 use petrol unproductive , traffic jam 2hour daily jadi kuli worket + weekend rempit is okay, Government will continue subsidy for you
t20 use petrol is mahakaya,evil We don't care u use petrol for what U kaya = demon, evil ,sin
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Boy96
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Nov 2 2024, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 2 2024, 09:39 PM) . Note that the T15 prices in Malaysia for ....... Mercedes Benz E Class (Petrol) = RM356k, Mercedes Benz EQS (Electric) = RM649k. The RM293k price difference can buy the T15 how many liters of RON97 petrol.? https://www.zigwheels.my/compare-cars/merce...rcedes-benz-eqs. E class is same segment with EQE, not EQS. E350e is RM420k, EQE full EV is RM380k
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SUSlurkingaround
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Nov 2 2024, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(POYOZER @ Nov 2 2024, 06:05 PM) Mr Prime Minister! We, the T15, are not your enemies! October 30, 2024
Ahmad Farouk Musa || 30 October 2024 » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
Dear Mr Prime Minister, we are writing this piece as your friend. As your friend who struggled for you during the time of Reformasi. As your friend who defended you during all the allegations against you. As your friend who fought ‘tooth and nail’ to bring down the greatest kleptocrat the world has ever known. As your friend who believed in a new dawn of greater democracy and freedom once we bring down the previous corrupt regime.
Unfortunately, as leader of the country, your priorities seem misplaced. We feel that instead of training your guns against the kleptocrats—including your right-hand man who was freed on DNAA despite a prima facie case against him—you are making an enemy out of us, the so-called T15. You disdainfully tag us as the “Mahakaya”. As if we are sucking the wealth of this country for our own benefit. You berated us, almost every day, for allegedly benefiting from the government’s subsidies. You forgot that we constitute that segment of the society who contributes the maximum in term of taxes. According to statistics, in 2022 alone, we the T15, contributed almost 80% of income taxes. Yet you castigate us as if we are the parasites and blood-suckers of the community.
Many of us were not born with a silver spoon in our mouth. We worked very hard for many years to reach this position in the society. We burnt the midnight oil and excelled academically to attain this status. We led a life full of sacrifice and self-immolation. Yet, in your war against corruption, you directed your gun against us. You made an enemy out of us. In your dreams, you imagined us gobbling up the benefits meant for the poor and the needy, the B40 of the community. But maybe you didn’t realise, or maybe in fact, it was a strategy by your Economic Minister to rationalise (read: cut) subsidy, such that you have to build a narrative that lures people to believe that there is one segment of the community who is selfishly and shamelessly reaping the benefit of the subsidies.
You built a perfect narrative so that people will naively accept the rationalisation of subsidies. But in reality, we don’t consume subsidised cooking oil, eggs, or rice. Instead, we purchase premium cooking oil, grade A fortified eggs and Basmathi rice. Not because we want to show off our wealth, but simply because we can afford such luxuries. The narrative that we grab subsidised items meant for B40 is a false narrative. Similarly, many of us in the T15 use RON97 petrol, not the subsidised RON95. Simply because we drive continental cars. Not to flaunt our wealth, but simply because these continental cars are much safer on our roads. Just imagine spending many years training as a surgeon only to be killed in a mere road traffic accident. Isn’t it a loss not only to the family but also a loss to the community and country?
Furthermore, you made it so difficult for those who deserve to get back their money, the diesel cash subsidy, from the Budi Madani that many of them simply gave up. Until today, no one knows the rationale behind that database PADU, which was suggested and proactively promoted by your Economic Minister. Touted as a comprehensive system that would supposedly assist the government in targeted subsidy, it finally ended up as a white elephant. How much money was wasted in building that database? Let’s not downplay it: the development of the PADU hub drained a whopping 85.27 million ringgit from the national coffers! That’s not a small amount for an unproven database. Until today, we have yet to see how this database will benefit the people, barring the developer.
In fact, this so-called rationalisation of subsidy and all the economic policies of your Economic Minister is straight from the textbooks of the neoliberal economic system—an economic philosophy that emphasizes free trade, deregulation, and a reduction in government spending. It is a laissez-faire system that advocates minimal government interference in the economic issues of the people in an attempt to purportedly stimulate economic growth.
What you and your Economic Minister have been doing is similar to the ideas suggested by the IMF (International Monetary Fund) and the World Bank, the champions of neoliberalism. We have seen the negative impact of this neoliberal agenda on our health sector. Apart from education, the health sector is supposed to be a top priority for a government. The free market approach to public services such as health and education is fundamentally misguided. Indeed, unlike other industries, public services are not meant to be profitable sectors. We feel that your neoliberal strategy will exacerbate inequality, such that the poor will never get medical treatment and education at par with the rich.
Why then are we in the T15 segment of the society concerned about this neoliberal agenda promoted by your government? Admittedly, we can afford the best medical care and also fund our children’s education in private institutions. The answer is simple: we, the T15, care for the society. We contribute 26% of our yearly salaries to income tax. We want this money to be spent wisely for the rakyat, for better healthcare and education. We don’t mind if the B40 does not even contribute a single cent to the coffers of the Inland Revenues Board (IRB); we know that they are poor and do not reach the threshold to pay any taxes.
But we were very dismayed and disgusted when individuals who owed millions to the IRB were rewarded with lofty positions such as Director of MATRADE (Malaysia External Trade Development Corporation). Retrospectively, the greatest kleptocrat was given more than a 50% discount on fine and jail term. Of course, you can hide behind the Royal decree. But some discerning people could clearly see what was happening behind the scene. This made all your diatribe against corruption ring hollow. You have a misplaced sense of priority. You launched a tirade against imaginary kleptocrats but ignored the real plunderers in front of your very eyes.
We are sorry if all these words sound very harsh. However, we hope you realise that the derogatory term ‘Mahakaya’ used against us was indeed very bitter and painful to swallow. We want you, including your arrogant and self-obsessed Economic Minister, to understand that we contributed the most financially to the country. Additionally, many of us in the T15 gave back to the society in terms of our expertise, which is intangible. Hence, do not make enemies out of us. Don’t forget that we were your staunch supporters in the reform agenda for the betterment of the country, although many of us are now left disillusioned.
Dr Ahmad Farouk Musa holds a PhD in Surgery from Monash University Australia and Masters of Medicine in Surgery from Universiti Sains Malaysia. He is also a doctoral candidate in Islamic Studies at Universiti Muhammadiyah Malaysia. Do you agree? . In the present political situation, PMX may be doing the "wrong" things because if BN/UMNO withdraws Parliamentary support, PMX's government will fall = he needed to "pacify" BN/UMNO to a certain extent, ie the 'give and take' approach. So, this political situation needs to change for GE16 in 2027/28, ie PKR/Amanah need to win more Mixed-majority and Malay-majority seats in Parliament. This is why PMX has been more PAS than PAS wrt being "PM Palestine". AFAIK, liberal Malays like the one in the OP = 20% of the Malays, who mostly support PKR/Amanah, and conservative Malays = 80%, who mostly support PAS or Bersatu or UMNO or PKR/Amanah. ....... So, the liberal Malays need to stick with PKR/Amanah in GE16 while PMX tries to get more of the conservative Malays to support PKR/Amanah. Similarly, the non-Malays need to stick with DAP/PKR/Amanah in GE16. If not, Malaysia will end up like Kelantan or Taliban Afghanistan, ie a PAS-led Federal government after GE16. .
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SUSlurkingaround
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Nov 2 2024, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Nov 2 2024, 09:39 PM) . Note that the T15 prices in Malaysia for ....... Mercedes Benz E Class (Petrol) = RM356k, Mercedes Benz EQS (Electric) = RM649k. The RM293k price difference can buy the T15 how many liters of RON97 petrol.? https://www.zigwheels.my/compare-cars/merce...rcedes-benz-eqs. QUOTE(Boy96 @ Nov 2 2024, 10:05 PM) E class is same segment with EQE, not EQS. E350e is RM420k, EQE full EV is RM380k . Noted, thanks. Note that after withdrawal of EV tax exemption on 1 Jan 2026, the price of the Mercedes EQE full EV will be double = RM760k. So, ... .
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SUSEfalex
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Nov 2 2024, 11:06 PM
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T15, max vote also 15% only can't beat B40..
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SUSlurkingaround
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Nov 2 2024, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Nov 2 2024, 10:05 PM) E class is same segment with EQE, not EQS. E350e is RM420k, EQE full EV is RM380k . AFAIK, ....... E200 (petrol) = RM356k EQE (electric) = RM380k I believe the E200 = EQE because EV cars are often made to be more powerful than comparable ICE-V cars because of bragging rights, eg 0-100km/h in 6.3 seconds for the EV car but 7.8 seconds for the comparable ICE-V car. .
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funnyTONE
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Nov 2 2024, 11:30 PM
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Well said. I'm sitting right in the border of T15 and M85. Our combined household salary is 13k, but we could only afford Ron95. Ron97 is a luxury still, so its unfair to presume some of the T15 like myself as 'mahakaya'. I agree with the writer stating that the statement made by pmx was really hurtful. We worked hard to escape poverty and finally achieve financial freedom, but then somehow we're labelled as takigg advantage of the subsidies? How about the goverment plug the crack in the subsidies policies first, or enforce on subsidy smuggling activities before putting the blame at us.
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19 Degree South
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Nov 3 2024, 09:31 AM
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umno is laughing ! waiting to slap this sohai in next GE. lmfao
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Cubalagi
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Nov 3 2024, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE(estacado @ Nov 2 2024, 08:13 PM) We are not your enemies too T1
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SUSkopitiamtardx
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Nov 3 2024, 10:49 AM
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New Member
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Chatgpt ke?
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chinteck79
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Nov 3 2024, 10:55 AM
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i didn't buy packet oil, i didn't buy white sugar. lhdn come knocking my door for 6 consecutive years even though i got pay income tax penalizing me for small mistakes. 1 time not even my mistake with all epf and sspn receipt submitted the pegawai didn't saw it. after submit appeal the pegawai become totally uncontactable
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commonsense
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Nov 3 2024, 11:00 AM
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QUOTE(ze2 @ Nov 2 2024, 06:20 PM) M4a1 will ask t15 who u voted last time ? Vote wisely next time. Time to Ubah. Ini Kali lah. Owai.
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Pikichu
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Nov 3 2024, 11:08 AM
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There are some T15 who are fair and decent, but this author is a garbage who is trying his hand at gaslighting.
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Pikichu
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Nov 3 2024, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(chinteck79 @ Nov 3 2024, 10:55 AM) i didn't buy packet oil, i didn't buy white sugar. lhdn come knocking my door for 6 consecutive years even though i got pay income tax penalizing me for small mistakes. 1 time not even my mistake with all epf and sspn receipt submitted the pegawai didn't saw it. after submit appeal the pegawai become totally uncontactable 1. Six years ago was which government, PMX is it? 2. Racism being rampant, there are little napoleons everywhere. 3. LHDN is no angel, do report to Prime Minster's Dept.
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sparketh
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Nov 3 2024, 11:12 AM
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Easy, those with epf 1 million above. Sorry no more subsidy. No college. No scholarship. The epf data kan ada who dah maha kaya.
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pipedream
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Nov 3 2024, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 3 2024, 11:08 AM) There are some T15 who are fair and decent, but this author is a garbage who is trying his hand at gaslighting. He sounded arrogant yes but is he wrong though? But he did ticked me off saying his life very valuable because doctor. Please lah you can only live very comfortably if u went into private practice so his skills aren’t serving the normal rakyats but his fellow t15s. Kanasai.
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kawa_e
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Nov 3 2024, 11:15 AM
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Live within your means.. Doesn't want to buy subsidised food because can afford organic but not petrol. Lol. Just cut down on expensive food... I have seen ppl driving Mercedes and Range Rover to Lotus and asking for a packed of subsidised oil. Nothing wrong with that.
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pipedream
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Nov 3 2024, 11:18 AM
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anyway lol QUOTE Dr Farouk Musa denies sexual misconduct allegation
(FMT) – A prominent Muslim activist has come out strongly to reject sexual accusations against him, saying certain individuals as well as organisations are seeking to destroy his reputation through “blackmail and an orchestrated smear campaign” through the media.
This comes hours after he gave his statement to the police over a report lodged by a 27-year-old man some five months ago, accusing him of groping and kissing him.
Speaking to FMT, the activist, who heads a vocal Islamic group, singled out a former assistant for the accusations, adding that an online news portal which published the claims by several former staffers would also be held accountable for defamation.
“I categorically deny this malicious accusation,” he said, naming a former assistant he sued six years ago as the person behind the latest allegations of sexual assault against him.
It is understood that the man referred to had been investigated for criminal breach of trust over claims of misappropriating funds.
“I had also taken a civil suit against him in 2014 and he lost the case and was declared a bankrupt,” the activist told FMT.
Checks with the Department of Insolvency confirmed the claim that the person, whose name FMT is withholding pending a response, has been declared a bankrupt in 2017.
Meanwhile, the activist questioned how a bankrupt could become a director of an organisation.
He said the man was bent on going on the offensive because “he has nothing to lose as a bankrupt”.
He said he was also made aware of attempts to invoke a ‘MeToo’ campaign.
“That will not happen, because they are abusing the movement for their own selfish ends,” he added, referring to the movement against sexual harassment where victims come out openly with allegations of sex crimes against them by prominent persons.
‘Blackmail’
He said early this year, he was blackmailed by several individuals who wanted to take over his NGO’s leadership, a Muslim movement with a progressive stance on contemporary Islamic issues.
“They gave me an ultimatum that I should step down or they would go to town with claims that I molested the trainee doctor.”
He said the fact that the police report, lodged in February, was not followed up showed that there was no case.
“But when I didn’t step down, they went to see the police with a group of NGO lawyers recently.
“Evidently, the complainant had no case until they decided to publicise the news to pressure the police to investigate,” he added.
He said part of the campaign against him probably stemmed from his refusal to condemn French Muslim scholar Tariq Ramadan, who was charged with rape earlier this year.
This, he said, angered some activists.
“One group was angry at me for defending Tariq Ramadan, and then launched a concerted attack via Facebook on my credibility which was then accentuated by the media.
“That led the police to ask me to give a statement to them today,” he told FMT.
He said he was happy that the police decided to investigate.
“I welcome any investigation because it will be an opportunity for me to clear my name,” he said.
QUOTE DISSOCIATING MYSELF FROM ISLAMIC RENAISSANCE FRONT (IRF) AS LONG AS IT IS BEING LED BY DR FAROUK MUSA I, hereby announced that starting from this second I have officially disassociated myself completely from Islamic Renaissance Front (IRF) as long as it led by Dr Farouk Musa.
Truthfully, this announcement has been pending for too long. Since December last year (2019), I was made aware of series of allegations/complaints made against Dr Farouk Musa pertaining to Sexual Harassment from various individuals. One of such complaints was made from my very own dear friend. Since then I have met few other individuals that have somewhat similar allegations and shared to me their fair share of evidences and stories. The details left me feeling disgusted.
On the 20th February 2020, I confronted Dr Farouk Musa via email about one particular allegation (involving my friend) and all that I got was was an unsatisfactory, irresponsible, and unconvincing reply. Him simply saying that “Our iman is not constant of the angels. There is up and down” in the email is not going to cut it. His responses towards the allegations were not only unbecoming of him as the leader of an Islamic organisation, but stood at the opposite of all the good works and values preached by IRF since its inception. In the same email, I forwarded my intention to immediately resign from my position in IRF and wants nothing to do with the organisation as long as he is still the chairman.
I’ve kept my disassociation from IRF private until today. I would no longer want my name to be associated with Islamic Renaissance Front as long as it is under his leadership. IRF that I knew, one that I worked with as an official staff for years, is an organisation that promotes understandings of Islam that are progressive, democratic and respectful of the values of human rights. IRF’s discourses has always been about fighting injustices in society and protecting those who have been wronged.
These sexual harassment allegations and Dr Farouk’s failures to adequately address these allegations in a responsible, truthful manner represent the very problems that IRF trying to solve. It is based on this understanding, and the very principles preached by IRF’s seminars and programs that I’ve worked with and have benefitted a lot from, that I now refuse to associate myself with the organisation. I cannot and would not withstand the glaring hypocrisy.
Finally, to all the friends that are reading this; please know that sexual harassments/assaults are rampant in every spheres of life, including among the NGO circles. There have been many stories about persons known to us that have abused their influence and power in the organization to prey for victims. It is our responsibility to call them out and fight the culture/work environment that allows such thing to happen.
Sincerely,
Imran Rasid
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Pikichu
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Nov 3 2024, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(pipedream @ Nov 3 2024, 11:13 AM) He sounded arrogant yes but is he wrong though? But he did ticked me off saying his life very valuable because doctor. Please lah you can only live very comfortably if u went into private practice so his skills aren’t serving the normal rakyats but his fellow t15s. Kanasai. QUOTE Dr Ahmad Farouk Musa holds a PhD in Surgery from Monash University Australia and Masters of Medicine in Surgery from Universiti Sains Malaysia. He is also a doctoral candidate in Islamic Studies at Universiti Muhammadiyah Malaysia. Before Monash, he is from University Sains Malaysia, which suggest he benefit from quota system paid by rakyat. Meaning to say, he benefit from gov't subsidy, but now attack gov't for rationalizing subsidy away from T15. He accused gov't of using neoliberalism, as he described QUOTE n fact, this so-called rationalisation of subsidy and all the economic policies of your Economic Minister is straight from the textbooks of the neoliberal economic system—an economic philosophy that emphasizes free trade, deregulation, and a reduction in government spending. It is a laissez-faire system that advocates minimal government interference in the economic issues of the people in an attempt to purportedly stimulate economic growth. On the contrary, gov't is rationalizing subsidy from T15 to support B85. Gov't subsidy to mass 85% populace is not neoliberalism. Hence he is gaslighting. QUOTE We contribute 26% of our yearly salaries to income tax. We want this money to be spent wisely for the rakyat, for better healthcare and education Yesm bcos he benefited from gov't policy, eg quota system entry into USM. So now pay tax is undeserving? He is a doctor for very long time, since PhD. Yet MY is the most obese country in SEA, so he is a shitting useless preying on the rakyat.
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HikayatSalju
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Nov 3 2024, 11:43 AM
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Yes, they are. Eat the rich.
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