ok thanks, so far i have done no.1 and 3 in this thread https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1111256, and might have done no.2. but the number of times i have done any of these can count on half a hand since i dont have much chance to talk to her. i think next time i should compliment her on looks or something, since she always dresses really trendily. if i do this is it enough? without straight up asking her out for a date, because i think right now she would reject since shes really busy with studies

3. when i asked when shes going clubbing, (since last year she wanted to invite some poeple including me to clubbing, but no one ever went because of miscommunication). maybe she misheard what i asked, since got loud music playing, but she said that clubbing is an activity you usually go with people you are close to, and trust, and would want to get closer with.(she said this in a more agitated way, but not angry. like she wants it to be made totally clear) but when i asked her again whether shes going this sem, she just said very busy, in a more bored tone. which is not wrong, she got a lot of school things going on

a bit awkward la during the event since her friend was right next to her
but even if shes alone i dont think i would ask, since i know she almost definitely going to reject, then why bother asking? shouldnt i wait until i have higher chance of success then ask?
and for me la i feel that shes trying to say the exact opposite of what you interpreted. bcos i am not close to her at all, an acquaintance at most. so i think she saying, no, try make friends first then see.

what do i do now? i think i should continue on this trajectory, every week inch forward a bit until eventually she in my bed wihtout even noticing whats going on. but i dont want to shock too much also

Cibai u so pro then what would u have done in my shoes. Suddenly this girl u like look damn tired as shit, she don’t even say hi to u, and at this point this is all u know. Oh I know, I go buy pain medicine for her! She could just be stressed, or actually don’t want talk to u, etc. this time it’s not even guessing that she doesn’t want to deal with ppl, she’s been alone the whole day, and doesn’t say hi.
And, if you had gf before, or even cared to google, period cramps can last 3 days.
And, if you know 1 thing about women, is that the say no but mean yes. She say she ok dy when I text her, use ur big brain to think what that means
If you’re thinking, you could have talked to her that day instead of texting! I’ll tell you exactly how that would have went. I go up to her, ask r u ok? Then she pretend sleep. That’s it, end of interaction. She already pretend to look at the cat nearby when I walked past. What makes you think it would have gone any different?
Also if you’re thinking I could have bought the chocolate at the same day. I can win the lottery today also what, just have to buy the correct numbers. How to know the correct numbers? Tomorrow they will say.
Ok not giving her is my fault la. I didn’t see her at all that day, should have texted to see.

i think youre correct, but i also dont really get your logic. i have considered asking her whether shes ok, but then i saw that she clearly wants to be left alone. isnt it best to do that? if my guy friends, that arent that close, signal to me to leave them alone, i would definitely just leave them alone.

these are my expectations la, for me if i dont want to talk to ppl, then ppl keep wanting to talk to me, i would be even more angry. if i was just sitting alone, feeling unhappy, then suddenly someone i barely talk to come up, sit in front, i will find them annoying, and in the future i will actually avoid this person to avoid their prying.

but i think i get the point la, im going to ask her whether shes free for lunch the next week, excuse being that i want some senior career advice. or something else is better?

Ok done I just finished dinner with her y’all happy?

but mostly talked about academic stuff. got talk about what she want to do after graduation. At first we talked about couples in our grade. Then she asked me whether I had anyone I liked. I told her, ppl in my year, not really. Crucial thing is ppl not in my year.

But now I know I am ok dy, she is a friend. But I think I should have been a bit more gentlemanly and helped her with her tray after finish. But still ok

Now to break out of friendzone. How?

dont blame me i also waiting... this week only time i saw her she was busy, only last week friday got miracle somehow she was just studying by herself

i considering just dm her tomorrow if i dont see, what r the main problems with that? why exactly is asking face to face better

the highest form of freedom is being unbiased or unattached towards anything, I'm actually ashamed by the fact I claimed being beta is completely wrong in the past, but this is just the route of life that's unavoidable

eh asked her out again, same place same time. this time she very busy and tired, so not that good at gossiping. one problem is that last time i mentioned i like this girl we both know a bit, and i told her the only reason why i dont go for this girl is because a friend interested already. but this time i told her, the guy give up, then she ask me why i dont go for her? could be telling me to f off, or could just be bewildered at why im interested in her instead of the other girl. i didnt know what to reply, i just say dowan la.
or is she actually giving me a opening to tell her that i like her? idk maybe next time she brings it up i hint a bit lor.

but ok since this time she a bit more tired, less acting, can see what she actually thinks, and what she interested in. i take notes, think about it a bit,  ltr will text her about the things she talked about but i didnt give a very good answer to. good thing is i figured out what she likes to talk about. so if conversation ever gets awkward again i just ask her something related to it then problem solved

as to confidence and making myself attracting fish la, i think im ok? this time i just walked up to her, grabbed her attention and asked whether she free. i got exercise regularly, i have been told that i am funny, lots of good jokes. the only thing i think im missing is that i am so concerned about being funny that i am bad at serious conversations, which is the only thing she does

as to making intentions clear, i think its best if i take it slowly but not too slowly because she mentioned that she got relationship issues in the past, and hearing from friend gossiping she really sensitive to it. so better ease it in la ltr accidentally hit a landmine. but to make use of this, i will try to empathize with her, and validate feelings, etc since she actually is really sensitive, no experience type. in this forum would be called a strawberry lor.

nah bro got date planned soon see how lor

turned out to be the latter lol. she say dont see me that way, dont waste my time, she still getting over her ex. so i spent the next 5 hrs chatting lor, bunch of random stuff, a bit about her ex, abit about my views, etc. observing body language i can tell she has small amount of interest so i guess ill continue like this la, since no other girl i like