lol bro just read the ladder theory. Google it, obviously she's lready putting you at her friends list. What your trying to do is ladder jump and it could be futile.

sometimes you need to be realistic to achieve greater things in life.

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Added on November 7, 2007, 12:14 amthis method of courting usually you need to show your 'earning power'. if you drive a nice car, looks well groomed and display your status of artifact, your success percentage of kao lui is quite high.

Dating is always about playing the game and having it to your advantage and winning it.

This post has been edited by max_cavalera: Nov 7 2007, 12:15 AM

dats the way to go.

just one advice. aproach with cautions. Patients is a virtue....Take it one at a time and slowly. Dont get over the moon with a slight flirty tone from the girls, girls usually does that. Dont show too much emotion that you like her at first few dates. In fact dont mention about any of your feelings to her, even if she ask, change the topic or bluff her that you feel so so only for her. This is what create attraction for girls. Built your relationship thru friendhsip first. If you enter the line and skip the friendship process straight to kao lui process, i guarantee you wont last long in this relationships.

good. be a gentlemen and leave the emotional part to the girls.

www.venusianskills.com. check it out coz i think you still have much more to learn in a dating game

This post has been edited by max_cavalera: Nov 17 2007, 05:47 AM

Hmm the way you tell her you kinda nag her too much la. you relax a bit, give her some space, after some time only msg/call and ask her out. If she indicate she has bf but their relationship arent too well you have a high chance, but be patience and spend more time with her without being deseparate.

You confess now confirm Game Over liao. U already been put under her friends zone. Thanks to showing too much interest in her and treating her a bit like a princess. Princess usually doesnt fall in love wtih their serveant. They fall in love with a prince who owns a castle and a white horse.....

This post has been edited by max_cavalera: Dec 15 2007, 04:14 PM

ZZzZZzzzzZz.....so the best courting advice for a man is to listen to a girls opinion? LOL

i tell you right now go on listen to her advice, you already become half wuss image under that girl. Keep listening and lets see who become the sorhai in the end.

Lemme tell you a couple years back my ex gf had a bf already in relationship for 3 years, and i knew her from that point on, during that ocassion she flirt wif many other guys... all fall for her and become some kinda sorhai wuss and began treating her like a princess and chasing her lookin like a loser, including her bf(who also treats her the same).

I wasn't interested at all wif her, and treat her so so only. Since we r in the same college and she lives nearby my neighbourhood we meet everyday and went back together everyday. Sometimes thrs a moment whr she thinks shes so freaking hot coz many idiot chasing her and lansi wif me, and immediately i shoot her back kaw kaw. I didnt even give her a single chance to heighten up her ego, in fact keep smashing them into pieces. So practically yeah we r frens but theres numerous occasion whr i ended up treating her like a bit of a trash...

Fast forward a couple of months, FOr your info all the guys that wooing her desperately and showing too much care and attention all she rejected mercilessly, either alwayz kena scold or something else, and it was pretty heartless... in the end she fall in love wif me in fact i even kena force to couple wif her.....

Your asking for my advice? attack their weak point. WHat is their weak point? They love SECURITY. Security for girls means both physically, emotionally and mentally.

Physically they love tall and buff guys. Why? because they feel secure, they want the guys to dominate them.

Mentally how? the 1st step is the easiest. Money/wealth/good career/owns a business/have nice car/have nice house/knows how to make money/financial independence or freedom from guys.

Last step is whr most of the guys PHAILS. Emotionally. You must emotionally DOMINATE or at LEAST BE EQUAL in the relationship. This means not giving in 100% to her every ridiculous demand(buying her expensive stuff, treat her every dinner, paying for everything, keep praising her so freaking beautiful until her ego bloatens up, keep giving her some kinda gifts, desperately call and sms her for hours, showing very early in the relationship that you've fall in love wif her, therefore you become their servant and do everything for her). If you do this, you mentally and emotionally shift the dominant power from you to them, its when the girl who'll make the calls, and hold more dominant power in the relationship. WHen your in this deep shite situation rest assured, no matter how nicest men in the world you become in her eyes, you will only be put in the her friends list, you wont ever get to be her bf. Even if you get to, its another typical relationship whr the guy suffers the most and the girl is the only 1 benefited from the relationship. Im not saying you must dominate 100%, AT LEAST the situation should be equal, either physically, mentally and emotionally.

Notice so many girls keeps whining their bf(an *ss hol*) no good but in the end still stick wif their bf? Notice why so many guys treat their gf like a princess and in the end got dumped for numerous reason? Most of you guys see it only thru your eyes but not thru your mind. Look, think and learn from the humanity around you, look at situation from an open mind without taking sides, being prejudice or selfish, and let nature and GOD tell you how this world works.

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Added on December 15, 2007, 11:08 pmAnyway sorry i didnt meant to be sexist, so no harm in flaming you. Coz if relationship is really dat straight forward i wouldn't suffer so much heartbreaking relationship in my early teeny years until im 23-24 years until when i learn thru experience, and thru wisdom.

Coz if its dat simple in courting a girl then there wouldn't be so much inexperience guys in relationship sulk a lot in this cupid corners. Coz they all do it the old fashion and straightforward guys way, like what you suggest.

This post has been edited by max_cavalera: Dec 15 2007, 11:08 PM

Anyway what i think is you still have a very high chances of courting here. Just dat you have to give much more time in this relationship. girls are very slow warming up to relationship. They will only feel the love scent after months and months of being good friend with you first. Just dont ever confess that you like or love her, holding her hands or shites that might expose you up. Just wait for a VERY CLEAR signal from her that even idiots can interprets and knows she's into you already. Some hint: If you yourself get some hints but still not sure and wondering is she for real or shes just flirting then i suggest DONT confess. Coz you might get fukked up.

And for elephant... Courting girl is an art form, if you just wanna get laid/couple with girls among the bottom or middle of the food chain, you dont have just to follow my procedure and advice, you langgar all and still probably have some high chances of success.

But if you wanna target girls at the top of the foodchain among girls(the prettiest, sexiest, cutest), theres protocols and technique that we need to follow in order to be succesful. Succes for my term doesnt just mean we'll get to be couple with the girl we like. Success to me is courting the girls, get her to be our half and not be in emotional and mental depression, lose all our money and even in debt just to maintain our lovely girls :-" .

ZzzZzz.... what can i say, i already give you so many guide from the early stage but then again you refuse and do it your own way. This wouldn't happen if you have more emotional and mental control and have more patience.