QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 9 2007, 02:46 AM)
QFT for that. thats what im trying to point out.
Added on November 9, 2007, 2:47 amgettin nerf bat anyways~
Added on November 9, 2007, 3:30 ambecause we all know druids can only case lifeblooms once amirite?!
shadow priest teams rely on the shadow priest for pure dmg, and usually have another healer to do the healing unless ur in 2v2, and even in 2v2, zerging down 1 guy first before even thinking of ditching shadow form for heals is still preferable as you have the talents to do dmg and almost no talents into healing.
in simple terms, when a shadow priest is forced to do healing, the team is already at an disadvantage or already pretty much lost. because you might as well count the said shadow priest half a man over a full member of the team.
if you still cannot graps that, perhaps you dont arena enough.
because driud shifts cost WAY LESS mana, and druid dont need talents for travel form. its really that simple. unless blizzard start implementing talents for travel form so druids can own faces in travel form for them to stick with it like shadow priests, they will be spamming shifts on and off. especially resto druids.
again, im not projecting a mentality of losing, its really simple to "not lose", dont ever shift outta shadow form especially 3v3/5v5, unless 1 of your enemy is dead (in 2v2 only)
you taking my so called mentality being projected wrongly is your problem, dont push the blame on to me.
again, whos the person getting things wrong? im pointing out how racial doesnt play a crucial role in WoW unless ur in high-end pvp/pve. you're just going apeshit over my argument of BE silence is your problem. and if you think ONLY dwarf priest can get rid of DP, um wow, the other priest must be somewhat handicapped on dispeling huh? and felhunter dispel anyone? mage iceblocks? shows how knowledgeble you are right now. and thats JUST dispel, even more ways to counter dp from even landing the first place, but i guess you wouldnt even bother.
again, dont get butthurt when your misunderstanding my points. i dont see how my sentense imply that im point out shadow priest may or may not get VE. im pointing out that there are other priests that exist say holy priests? im sure this world only have shadow specced priest amirite? english comprehension may not be your best skill, but by no means should you be goin apeshit on people just because you are having trouble with english.
- i dont see how there is more reasons to throw in extra dot to help on self healing through dots, and ur not getting much in the first place, and thats assuming its not dispeled/cloakec/prevented off.
- good points, but still, does not address that undeads are clearly superior AND critical for someone to choose it over other races such as troll/blood elves. troll hex alone provides an advantage in teams adept at target switching with a 20% healing debuff, to provide time for dps'ers like hunters (aimshot 2.3, that has a lengthy castime), or rogues (that need time to stack their wounds). in the mean time the target is only capable of recieving 80% heals while gettin a sudden target switch. and troll berserking can be very useful if used properly be it holy or shadow specced.
- BE silence can be chained by other sources of silence eg: counterspell/priest self silence provided hes shadow/warlock spell lock etc. and because of this, blizz is considering to have DR on interrupts/silences, but eventually didnt made it because of intense QQ's. in shorter term, a caster is potentially able to be kept silence over 10 seconds++ and in arena pvp, even if ur 490+ resil, 10++ seconds of unable to do anything is still proven fatal.
and thats just covering the horde side, while alliance have 4 outta 5 races that are able to choose the priest class.
yes, i know the guy's asking what priest to choose for, and im giving advice to him. raiding, pvp or arenas, they share the same characteristic, and at the end of the day my advice still holds true, and till now you still havent done anything to prove otherwise. and im not seeking for thanks, he ask for advice, i give it as i see fit. and last i check, none of my information are useless and this is a messageboard after all where i could post what i see fit so long it doesnt violate the board rules, in which i didnt.
i choose to pvp is my own choise of what i want to do with wow, and to this extent, posting on this boards. and if you know what i do best, why are you posting crap about pvp'ing where raiding is what you probably do better and not pvp? if you wanna post arguments over my points, perhaps its smarter to post up raiding pointers over pvp pointers no? because you are in no way making a lot of strong points and are in many ways self contradicting and at the end of the day, does not even provide solid arguments of my point, which is: racial does NOT play a critical role in any class unless you are in high-end pvp/pve.
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perhaps you are one having reading comprehension? i cant see how there are keywords of "raiding" anywhere in that particular sentence, instead i see the keyword "newbie"
and my advice are based solely on that.
and more FYI's! (omg?!)
there are ACTUALLY signs of appreciation on post #3
and omg i actually even made a post stating undeads DO have an edge in pvp on post #2
yet ur still argueing over this? hilarious really.
you love to raid, sure, i dont judge you for that, but dont even think about judging my love for pvp, as i know i can sure as hell rape the crap outta any raiders considering their lack of pvp'ing/resilience or both. as you even said yourself, to each it own. and i can back my own damn words by going to PTR, and you can even choose to 1v1 duel, 2v2,3v3,5v5 arena'ing me and/or my team. that way not even realm can be an excuse.
dude again u proof ure the one with failure in reading comprehension. i mentioned rogues dwarves priests and pallies as in [rogues = clos] [dwarves = STONEFORM] = [priests = remove/abolish disease] (YEAH ITS NOT CALLED DISPEL COS DISPEL ONLY WORKS FOR MAGIC EFFECTS AND DP IS A DISEASE EFFECT) and [pally = cleanse].
shadowform yeah it costs a tonne of mana, which is why we were given shadowfiend. if a belf shadowpriest eats DP they gotta shift out of shadowform to abolish it. too bad it costs a tonne of mana for them too eh.
i'm pointing out that UD holds way many better racials than belf. even cannibalize can be useful in arenas. even sets84 has mentioned that the range sucks, which is why i said it is purely situational.
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perhaps you are one having reading comprehension? i cant see how there are keywords of "raiding" anywhere in that particular sentence, instead i see the keyword "newbie"
and my advice are based solely on that.
yeah in his first original post he didnt mention raiding/pvping and no one bothered to ask. all u did was give a bunch of generalised answers. u think those answers are in anyway going to help a new guy?
which was why i bothered asking him and his reply was that he is rolling a horde shadowpriest for raiding. but u just had to go on and on about the pvp aspect. grats on comprehension failure.
here, his reply if u didnt happen to catch it.
alright Flush. Thanks for the brilliant information given to me now i decide to play UD priest since i want to spec as Shadow Priest for raiding in 70. I read posting in Worldofwarcraft forum that shadow priest often ROO by using the skill combination. is it true? Anyway, for the rest, thanks for information about priestheyyy i even bold them for you incase u missed it the first time! failure to read n going on and on about pvp = teh lose.
ur reply right here right after the OP has replied to my question about whether he's rolling a shadow priest, and is it for raiding.
your comment over ud priest only applies to raid. the only real benefit of ud's in arenas/pvp = wotf and that only applies to warlocks/priests and perhaps warriors at times. (lol surv hunters with wywern sting too maybe)
and your example of be silence in 2v2 arena is also flawed. silence is also useful against feral druids to prevent shifts, cyclone, or even heals at time. druids stuck in forms, unable to heal, and/or unable to cyclone cc you are almost useless in arenas.hmmm... remember that term u use
beating a deadhorse and also ? sounds like what ure doing right here. OP already gave confirmation that he:-
a.) wants to spec shadow
b.) is going to raid
and you are still going on and on about? PVP.
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again, dont get butthurt when your misunderstanding my points. i dont see how my sentense imply that im point out shadow priest may or may not get VE. im pointing out that there are other priests that exist say holy priests? im sure this world only have shadow specced priest amirite? english comprehension may not be your best skill, but by no means should you be goin apeshit on people just because you are having trouble with english.
This topic has been about shadowpriests for the last i dunno, 100 replies? And ur sentence does imply that there are shadowpriests without VE. So am I supposed to apologize because u didn't convey the message u were trying to put across and that ppl will get the wrong msg? OH HEY MR. KILLER I'M SORRY THAT U KILLED MY DAUGHTER! Do u see victim's parents apologizing to a killer? Yeah.. they go apeshit.
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you love to raid, sure, i dont judge you for that, but dont even think about judging my love for pvp, as i know i can sure as hell rape the crap outta any raiders considering their lack of pvp'ing/resilience or both. as you even said yourself, to each it own. and i can back my own damn words by going to PTR, and you can even choose to 1v1 duel, 2v2,3v3,5v5 arena'ing me and/or my team. that way not even realm can be an excuse.
Hey look who's the one going apeshit? hey mr. pls relax! i'm scared! i apologize. don't go apeshit over my ass with ur nerd rage. wow reminds me of that time when someone here over the forums asked u out for a fight.
and i can back my own damn words by going to PTR, and you can even choose to 1v1 duel, 2v2,3v3,5v5 arena'ing me and/or my team. that way not even realm can be an excuse.sorry u feel that i'm judging u about ur love for pvping. i'm really sincere abt this apology. its just that... like i said, the op has stated that he's looking to roll a shadow priest for raiding and really, u should leave the advice to the ppl who are knowledgeable about this issue. instead of going on and on about pvp... thats just real sad.
You wanna go around insulting everyone else's posts with replies like "vague comments ftl" and "if you're not gonna even bother to reply with something constructive, its best that you dont at all." Well, listen to urself first. Well, what the hell are ur replies about? im sorry mr e-thug, i wouln't be meeting u in the PTR. but go ahead and bring ur 'crew' there and roll everyone else. i heard thats where all the cool kidz hang out these days.