There's a learning curve for everything in this world. Your logic ignore that be it WOW or F1.
Oh wait, i forgot u already can fly when u are a 3 yrs old baby.

no i certainly cant fly when I'm a 3 years old baby...
but I was raid lead taking over a lvl 70 pally from my brother... I have no intention of leveling that character from 1-70

so ur point being?
I do not need to level a warlock, rogue, shadow priest from 1-70 to know that they need to be at the top of the dps charts...
I do not need to level a shaman from 1-70 to know that it should top healing charts with its chain heals...
I do not need to level a priest form 1-70 to know that circle of healing works well when u group a group of 3 rogues, 1 fury warrior and 1 shaman/druid etc for best effective melee survivablity....
seriosly now... stop making a fool out of yourself

gameplay for leveling isn't the same as gameplay for end game raids and pvp

Wow so much stuff being thrown around here. I think really overall u just need to understand the abilities and game mechanics and use to it your best. Everyone is bias towards something i.e like me i think escape artist is pretty f***ing awesome in pvp but some ppl think otherwise.

What's really helpful here is just your own ability to understand how shit works. Its really the only way for someone to improve his game as a whole overall.

You may be f***ing good at one class but if you dun really know about other classes talents and specs its pretty much pointless as you lack the intuition and ability to manoeurve/counter/respond to your opponents. And of cos experience helps in this.

In a nutshell, just play alot and read the forums if you wan to be good or if you just want to have a good time playing the game,f*** what's said and keep trolling.

Bingo. U hit your own balls. The levelling lets u grab the basic and further pve/pvp play advance your skills n knowledge. How did some one without the priest basic as well as further play experience argue that his points hold more weight than priest player who been there and done that just because he pvp day in day out with his rogue and coz of his armory rating!?

Wow your warlock, rogue dps & circle of healing example is so in depth man, totally text book material. I am amazed by your knowledge.

Theorycraft more baby genius.

teh cake is a lie guyz! there are no cakez at the end of teh tunnelz!

NoOOOooOOOO CAKE at the end of the tunnle T____T almost reaching there.......

and how did I hit my own balls...? kind sir could you please explain...
I've not leveled a priest from 1-70 and still have a shadow priest as a main for end game raid, I just took the level 70 character and do my dps...
I've not leveld a pally from 1-70 and still have a pally as a main for end game raid, I just took the level 70 character and do my healing...
seriously now, did you not comprehend what I just said?

I've seen more than a fair share of people just taking over lvl 70 accounts playing better than anyone else, if you think that people need to actually level from 1-70 to actually know how a character works... then I'm beginning to doubt your skills and credibility to continue blabbering in here. What I'm seriously amazed is, at your ignorance and your lack of logic to properly grasp the gravity of the situation here...

pie > cake

i swear itttttttttt...

Hello who cant comprehend & keep contradicting? U said in earlier post u play pally & nvr play priest and now u said u play shadow priest also!? Next time we talk about hunter & u must have played hunter as well eh.

U can be good to play from lv70 but the most wonderful baby theory of your is you can play a rogue day in day out and then BAM! you can become good at priest as well coz u watch your partner priest playing in arena as if rogue is very free that instead of dpsing and cc he vanished & watch how his priest partner play the whole match & critisize for the sake of improving the priest gameplay.

Yo i watch a lot of football, i can become david beckham omg 111!!!

And I've seen my fair share of Ebay-ers who have no freaking idea how to do what they are supposed to do. Hence the comment 'omg did you ebay your account? Suck less'.

Yes, you can learn a character at 70, and you can equally suck at it if you leveled from 1-70. It depends on the player. Is he wiling to read up on his class? Use consumables? Read boss strats? Or does he just tag along and drag his raid down? Really guys, don't just generalize, too many factors that makes a good player and bad one.

I dont have a warrior, and i've seen a warrior tank in my group... and i'm going to say "warrior tank better with 2hand". If you think otherwise, you're a noob! Only losers tank using a shield... you'll do more damage with 2nd ffs! And priest should spam prayer of healing all the time and if the priest oom, he's a noob! Yea i'm a hunter and i know how to play other class duh. Uh huh uh huh. NO, I'm not an Ebayer... i bought this account from other website. . . /sarcasm

busy day at work, only managed to take few glances alt tabbing at the thread and its really derailed to god knows wherever the shit flinging party train went.

anyways, lets make some replies!


wow lets see, when did BC started? and WHEN did arenas and the resilience started?
then check the date of the thread. now that we got those facts in, lets begin.



my own self quote again, notice from the post there isnt anywhere mentioning i would lol kick a priest out and replace with a rogue. im merely pointing the fact, given the date of the thread, that rogues are more viable than a priest in arenas. if you didnt knew, back in the days where people were RARELY goin over 100-200 resilience (health/stam is also in relation), rogue's burst dmg is still running wild and in 5v5's, priest are very commonly insta-gibbed. HELL, even this very day and age, priests are STILL capable of gettin insta-gibbed with 500 resilience and 11-12k unbuffed hp.

with the above said, its pretty obvious which class is more viable over another.

but hey, scroll up, and see the % of priest vs rogues. people still bring em anyways, with the main reasons of mass dispel/mana burns. teams can easily burst down frost mages or even counter paladin teams (and thats the dominating healer class at that point, and even to an extent this day and age) via mass dispel. so long the priest can break even that 1 immune and die off, hes already done his job and it wouldnt matter all too much. trading a paladin or maybe ice mage with a priest is quite a fair trade, especially if your priest manages to not get insta-gibbed right off the bat.

your quote:


not even a part mentioning rogues will have a tough time in 5v5. only mentioning priests are more viable in arenas/bgs than rogues.

in which following would be my reply as quoted by you and again by me as above.
which is in disagreement with you because thats what happening as i mentioned above in this post, during that time period.

since we're on the memory lane.

lets look at the evolution of the priest class through out the ages since arena season 1 started, until today. compare priest with the other 3 kinds of healers. if you havent noticed, priests are the ONLY healer that goes CRAZY on stacking stam/resil, while the other healers are actually goin for mana pool, +healing, +regen or even to some extent crit over crazy focus of stamina/resilience. why do you think they do that? im sure you already know the answer, i mean, your the priest right?

and thus, i bring my own words up again:


wheres the exact quote of me claiming:
"RGOUES MUTLATE FOR 3K PEWPEW! I WILL REPLAEC PRIESTS WITH ROUGES ANYTIME!"

and again, as said in bolded quoted texts, and as mentioned yourself, you also know that i was the one "supposedly QQ'ing" regarding rogues in arenas during recent times. check back that thread for me if you will, and look at the date. if im not mistaken, its already season2 where everyone is geared, and resilience is putting a dent to rogues and hunter's burst dmg capabilities. so, what was the issue here?
you're basically:
- vomitting out words outta god knows which part of your body is vomitting
- creating issues that werent issues in the first place

so yea, at the end of the day, im still going to:
- throw your own lines back at your face (because your STILL unable to make solid statement and claims)
- shoot you down for not pvping much and still going on about pvp (honestly, i could really give a rat's ass for you not pvp'ing much, but when ur gonna make so much rant about pvp'ing where your experience are somewhat limited, im going to really use that against you like it or not)
- think that because i pvp all the time, my thoughts are doctrine. (just like how ur standing by your raiding arguments, you cant change my thoughts, nor could i change yours, so if im gonna go by that my thoughts are the absolute universal law, you cant just come in gunz blazing and brain wash me now can you?)

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Added on November 13, 2007, 7:56 pmwell, for one, i got a priest in my 8 man 5v5 arena roster, and as the team's leader and obviously manager of the team, i do watch him play, and even if im not free, i will have to make myself free, to ensure that he is playing at his best, what is his weakness, what is his advantage, and from there, wherether i like it or know, i will have to know a thing or 2 about priest.

the same goes for raiding too, and that job usually goes to the guild leader, or officers, or class leaders.

if you cant grasp that, perhaps your experience in end game be it pve or pvp is limited? or you've never knew the hardships of being in the leadership role and ur just either hopping on the epic bandwagon leeching epics?

and before you make rebutals, armory link please?

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:07 pmand thats why gnomes are getting nerfed on 2.3!!!

but yea, actually its kinda the other way around, it does matter in high end pvp/pve situations. its just the non-high ends it doesnt matter at all. but maybe its just a matter of opinions in this

and actually the thread's bout some guy asking about race to pick as a priest, it just got awfully derailed
and op's into raiding yo.

and just FYI, I, as a ROGUE, leads and manages a rather decent arena team. while its not something entirely ownage, but compared to the people on LYN thus far, and the people on my realm during our GMT +8 timezone, we currently #1 in terms of ratings.
and thats just me, theres MANY other top rogues that are doing pretty damn good in arenas these days as the resilience impact over rogues are slowly fading away as gear scales for rogues much better compared to defense/healer classes as theres a resilience cap that blizzard currently have no plans to remove at the moment.

try to look up neilyo from warcraftmovies.com
and ming is semi-retired, hes just a casual player. theres many MANY rogues being much better than him, neilyo is one fine example, and that again, is just one rogue.

anyways you can refer to my thread in LYN, or my linkage of armory all over this forum. hell, ill make it easier for you: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...ale&n=Quazacolt

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:10 pmnow now, in the first place ive never even posted on how to play a priest. last i check advises on racial dont really relate to "playing a priest 101"
and secondly as sets mentioned, you dont have to play a priest yourself to know things like:
priest can heal, priest can dispel, priest can fear for example
and third, maybe you should STFU instead? as your currently not contributing to the thread.

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:11 pmno lol

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:17 pmblood elf paladins, vs their alliance counterparts.

uh oh, failing the fact part of "Priest is the only class with 2 racial"

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:18 pmoh hell no it aint just a game, its a WORLD! of warcraft

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:27 pmso now he somehow punched his own testicles. anyways!
yes, you are right that it does help you GRASP (grab isnt really the word here) the basics of a specific class.

but its also not a surprise when veteran players that know how to read english, know how to read tooltips, or even read forums learning and knowing the inside outs (things such as mechanics/formulas/spreadsheets calculations etc, hell, ill do you a favor, just go elitistjerks.com) of another class that he've never played 1-70 and he could still jump in and play that said class at a decent level and in due time, he could be just as good or even much better than a player that played the class from 1-70.

and since we're now talking about who holds more weight in an argument, and we've known beforehand that PVP and PVE is 2 worlds apart, what makes you think that a person playing a priest in pve, holds more point in a pvp argument over a person that does only pvp, even if he does not play a priest? (and lol i used to sometimes logon my friend's priest account which is also 70 to pvp/pve, if you even wanna count that)

and its BECAUSE of his armory rating he hold more weight in the argument. whatever ratings you are in arenas, or even pvp, knowing your opponents is as good as knowing half of the battle. if my opponent is a priest, i HAVE to know the priest class inside out, what he can do to me, what i can do to him and things like that. i mean, wow, is it really that hard to understand?

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:30 pmQFT

really just depends on the player. even an ebayer can kick ass in pve/pvp if hes good himself to begin with. (which is why i sometimes wonder on the ebay remark, even funnier when those said critisizers that got their face owned by the very ebayer they critisize.)

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:31 pmand to end this wall of text.

pie > cake.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 13 2007, 08:31 PM

you lies!!!!! pie dosent > cakes!!!!!!!

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Added on November 13, 2007, 10:26 pmbtw quaza y are u not in ur arena gear?? lol...54 resil...made me check armory 2 times to conform....

This post has been edited by Jas2davir: Nov 13 2007, 10:26 PM

quaza, rogues were qq-ing way back when season 1 started and not season 2. u said u pvp hard and do lots of research n stuff? then u should know all this and yes, even tho that post is old, the fact remains ur rogue mutilate 3-5k crippling poison stun locking... i already mentioned pallies n priests can cross dispel to cover up each other's ass. Blessing of Freedom, heard of it?

BoF has nothing to do with res n stam and whatnot, so pls don't come up with excuses like season 2 not out yet, ppl don't have enough res back then yada yada because u obviously did not evaluate what i said in whole about the cross dispels and all.

and about me not pvping much and u shooting me down for it, back then i haven't even started playing wow again and yet after reviewing arena feedbacks and class talents as well as what can be done and what can't be done, I made a statement that was even more relevant and which proved to be true. Rogues will struggle in 5v5 and it is better for a team to have pally+priest combo.

because blizz forcing pvp'ers to pve for badges.

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Added on November 14, 2007, 3:29 amyou know BOF targets can be stunned and with KS +9% dmg, targets can be burnt easily if they are low on resil/stam right? why does this have nothing to do with resil and stam really baffles me.

and again i throw your words back at you of not evaluating what ive said in my post back in april, and this thread:
prior to season 2, many newbies, and yes, even my scrubby team, thats around 100-200 resil, can survive and play very decently against the majority of teams.

comparing that to the current end of season2, if ur below 300 resil, you can pretty much say that ur not gonna be living long against any decent team out there, hell, even some damn 1500 teams are rollin with full merciless decked players (lol rerolling teams/gold teams)
and lets not forget, blessing of freedom has been around forever, rogues have never really complained about BOF considering they are stunnable, ESPECIALLY pre-bc where stunlocking 100-0 is VERY possible. and why would it really change now? the only thing contributing to bof being cried upon is mainly due to the increased stamina budget allocation on gears, and no doubt, in arenas, resilience.

with all the above said, you still think im just giving up excuses like season2 is not out yet and what not?
and btw, what cross dispeling? AFAIK priests cant dispel poison, and if the paladin's gonna work his way outta layered wounds, someone's gotta do the healing, and it definitely aint the priest thats gettin his ass locked down with wound layers on him.

ok, at least you are being honest. so WHY are you shooting at me on giving pvp advises while your doing that already without even playing the game during that time to begin with? and what have you proved true? priest paladin healer combo on paper isnt an entirely solid make up to begin with, but this is of course subjected to the remaining group's setup.

in general, a 2 healer setup would consist of 1 O 1 D. while priest paladin fits that role, the nature of priest's fragility and paladin's durability created a rift between the 2 and without a doubt, the priest would be the ONLY target if the enemy is only targeting healers.

a more balanced out healer team would be, in example:
O D
Shaman Paladin
Priest Druid
Priest Shaman
shaman Druid

what the above table shows that in the above 4 healer setup, your enemy is actually viable to choose either healers to go for, and thus freeing the priest's burden of being an absolute sole target. your example of a paladin and priest setup, would almost guarantee the priest being focused should your opponent opt for going for the healers first. that limits the priest's biggest ultility they bring forth in their team: Massdispels/Manaburns/mind control.
under those circumstances, the priest is only able to spam instants such as PWS/Renews (subjected to offensive dispels) and sneaking in flashes time to time. which of course, greatly reduces his effeciency.
from the above table, druid is no doubt one of the best class to escape a focus fire, via travel form and spam shifting to remove snares/roots, so not much is needed to elaborate about. Shamans on the other hand, do have a significant advantage over priest while under fired. while they do not have immunities, and plate from paladin, or the amazing escaping skills of a druid, they have shield and mail too regardless to ward of a good ammount of physical dmg. and even for spells, so long the shaman is very adept at using his grounding just for the big nukes and not random icelance spams/dots etc, he is very capable of shutting down caster dps to a certain degree. low cooldown earthshocks also helps a lot in that regard.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 14 2007, 03:29 AM

I respecced to disc on my priest ( stolen from a fren haha lazy to lvl ) and i must say its pretty nice.

uuu what faction on jubeithos?

i've started playing another spriest there too. ally side(my fren's acc, asked me to gear the damn toon)

btw kurei, nice gear u got there on ur warr (drool~~~). very soon banai-like!

i think his priest is on horde side coz jthos is a pvp server...

I just got this really funny to use trinket tonight. http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34029

Its really lmao seeing gnomes helping ya. Too bad its a shiity 16min cd.