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post Sep 17 2024, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(BenYeeHua @ Sep 17 2024, 02:27 PM)
For CloudFlare, no idea, can be CloudFlare just having limited traffic for KUL and JHB.
So TM just rerouting to SG to protect those paid VIP customer that pay more on KUL then.

This one need insider news la. tongue.gif
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From what I know, TM refuses to Peer with anyone that does not have a local presence, based on a conversation with Quad9

https://www.reddit.com/r/Quad9/comments/13e...comment/jjpx60w

Which is odd since surely Cloudflare has a local presence here?
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post Sep 17 2024, 07:17 PM

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I did not read all the post

But another thing is TM got many hidden package not available online, and different price with same speed, how much want to reduce? Like someone here 129 or 139 o forgot 800mbps
My old plan 129 100mbps
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post Sep 17 2024, 07:23 PM

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can choose another ISP... now more cheaper
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post Sep 17 2024, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(biatche @ Sep 17 2024, 08:11 AM)
https://www.komunikasi.gov.my/en/public/new...ember-says-mcmc

This isn't getting enough attention, so I've decided to create a dedicated topic for it.
Instead of reducing package price, they opt to offer free upgrades. You would get near advertised speeds to their test server, but anywhere else you'd hardly get anywhere close, usually not even half of your subscribed speeds, practically speaking.

Instead, as in the general unifi topic, you'd get slow issues of all sorts. It's a complete scam.

Why isn't anyone angry about this?
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Do u even understand how internet works??

1. Test on fast.com
2. If u can get the speed, on LAN. U are good

Alot dummie frus cant get speed
For all the qrong reason


Not all server, site, streaming site serve u only...

Example epic game atore....
The apeed really sucks..

For u to reach the max apeed

1. Proper setting and router, especially wifi
2. The site u download can match it max speed



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post Sep 17 2024, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Sep 17 2024, 07:31 PM)
Do u even understand how internet works??

1. Test on fast.com
2. If u can get the speed, on LAN. U are good

Alot dummie frus cant get speed
For all the qrong reason
Not all server, site, streaming site serve u only...

Example epic game atore....
The apeed really sucks..

For u to reach the max apeed

1. Proper setting and router, especially wifi
2. The site u download can match it max speed
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last week im downloading 5gb xiaomi.eu firmware from sourceforge.

the 1st 1.5gb is fast full speed 300mbps then suddenly after that the speed dropped xxkbps.

try redownload also the same speed.

then i try on vpn voilla full speed 300mbps all the way for the 5gb file.

basically now we get higher speed but got rate limitting and traffic shaping in action also. laugh.gif
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post Sep 17 2024, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(budi1413 @ Sep 17 2024, 08:00 PM)
last week im downloading 5gb xiaomi.eu firmware from sourceforge.

the 1st 1.5gb is fast full speed 300mbps then suddenly after that the speed dropped xxkbps.

try redownload also the same speed.

then i try on vpn voilla full speed 300mbps all the way for the 5gb file.

basically now we get higher speed but got rate limitting and traffic shaping in action also. laugh.gif
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Backfire yourself lah...

IF UNIFI cannot support 300bmps to your house
how you still can download at that speed????

And alot download server did capped user speed for various reason.
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post Sep 17 2024, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Sep 17 2024, 07:31 PM)
Do u even understand how internet works??

1. Test on fast.com
2. If u can get the speed, on LAN. U are good

Alot dummie frus cant get speed
For all the qrong reason
Not all server, site, streaming site serve u only...

Example epic game atore....
The apeed really sucks..

For u to reach the max apeed

1. Proper setting and router, especially wifi
2. The site u download can match it max speed
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i use SFP+ 10gbit, so yes my LAN is good. I don't think you understand the essence of the complaint here.Attached Image

a lot of dummie don't understand the nature of my complaint even when its already clearly explained.

This post has been edited by biatche: Sep 17 2024, 08:50 PM
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post Sep 17 2024, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Sep 17 2024, 07:31 PM)
Do u even understand how internet works??

1. Test on fast.com
2. If u can get the speed, on LAN. U are good

Alot dummie frus cant get speed
For all the qrong reason
Not all server, site, streaming site serve u only...

Example epic game atore....
The apeed really sucks..

For u to reach the max apeed

1. Proper setting and router, especially wifi
2. The site u download can match it max speed
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Yes, the ISP technically just advertises that they can give you a 2Gbps pipe to their server on speed test
This shows that your link is ok

And yes, most services like video streaming won't even get close to using 2Gbps
And stuff like steam won't get close to using that because of decompression overhead and drive write speeds

The issue we are having now is
Slow connection to international services, because they OVERSOLD their capacity, eg, they have a 100Gbps pipe to Singapore (example only)
Everyone in Malaysia is downloading and attempting to use more than what's available, so, throttling happens and the experience is degraded

Now, it's understandable that they don't have exactly equivalent pipes (eg, there's a total subscribed capacity of 1000Gbps = need 1000Gbps to everywhere)
Because everyone isn't always hammering downloading from the same region at the same timend a lot of times you can hit the local cache servers for big services like FB/WhatsApp/YouTube etc

The issue we want resolved is the former, that their current bandwidth is not enough, and they should manage it better/get more capacity so that the customers don't experience serious performance issues.
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post Sep 17 2024, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(PRSXFENG @ Sep 17 2024, 09:05 PM)
Yes, the ISP technically just advertises that they can give you a 2Gbps pipe to their server on speed test
This shows that your link is ok

And yes, most services like video streaming won't even get close to using 2Gbps
And stuff like steam won't get close to using that because of decompression overhead and drive write speeds

The issue we are having now is
Slow connection to international services, because they OVERSOLD their capacity, eg, they have a 100Gbps pipe to Singapore (example only)
Everyone in Malaysia is downloading and attempting to use more than what's available, so, throttling happens and the experience is degraded

Now, it's understandable that they don't have exactly equivalent pipes (eg, there's a total subscribed capacity of 1000Gbps = need 1000Gbps to everywhere)
Because everyone isn't always hammering downloading from the same region at the same timend a lot of times you can hit the local cache servers for big services like FB/WhatsApp/YouTube etc

The issue we want resolved is the former, that their current bandwidth is not enough, and they should manage it better/get more capacity so that the customers don't experience serious performance issues.
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Actually, I don't expect to get 100mbps even to most sites. Even 10mbps is realistically OK. I expect there to be sufficient backbone bandwidth such that we won't suffer from packet loss / high latency / videos caching. When a submarine cable breaks, I expect there to be sufficient throughput through alternate links. But most importantly, I do think unifi is extremely overpriced as it is right now, and when people are not happy with price and mcmc acts, they simply offer free upgrade instead of actually lowering price, my problem mainly being, the upgrade having no realistic impact. I truly hate entities be it companies or people that pretend to be doing something positive but its all a facade.
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post Sep 17 2024, 09:58 PM

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Either MCMC allow TM to scam us or TM game the pricing.

TM releases new HSBB pricing to comply with MSAP, but it may not significantly cut broadband prices for all
https://soyacincau.com/2023/07/30/tm-releas...adband-pricing/

The way they tier their pricing means everyone must triple the speed to get the same price.

Yes they lower the cost of the lowest tier compared to last MSAP. But I have a suspicion not many provider are at those tier. Plus I am sure TM done the math.

Given this fact, we can only complain but it's useless.
The better way is for the government to allow anyone to lay fiber. Right now this is a cartel business.
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post Sep 17 2024, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(biatche @ Sep 17 2024, 04:56 PM)
I mean I understand isps throttle and all that. I'm merely asking people to join my outrage in 'free package upgrade' scam that workaround mcmc's order to lower prices. Certainly there are multitude of factors, that including capable speeds of the outgoing server. Normally I think even 100mbps is sufficient for 1080p youtube. So even if we have 2gbps, it's not going to make your youtube stream any faster. All we want is low latency, and fast enough throughput. Majority of people aren't going to be constantly pushing 1-2gbps to its limit. Most people are gonna run out of disk space within days/hours even if they manage download at maxspeed.

Say you have a 2TB ssd, which is considered plenty big. It'd take a week to fill it at 2gbps. If you have hard drives, you can't even write fast enough. And if you're able to find so much stuff to download, you're still not able to even watch them fast enough. So in seriousness, who needs 2gbps? Do we even need 1gbps?

I hope with this awareness, enough angry people would complain to mcmc about this elaborate scam. When told to lower price, they should just lower instead offering 'free upgrade' and then throttle or alike.
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That's my point, even China which provide like 500M/1000M RM 60 per month having the same issues, they are sharing the global internet speed, and they also need to pay VPN(similar) to get high speed access globally.... sweat.gif

Good part?
The speed is real now for local(1Gbps full speed download for Steam, BM Wukong for example), in past they pay for 100M, get 10M and packet lost during night for everything, lol.

Just, go with it, buy yourself VPN, problem solved.
Unless you can get those high QoS plan, which I think you can only obtain if you are provider.
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For price?
Agree, still the old RM 89, unless you gonna rebind yourself 2 years by signing a B40 plan, which asking you to have own house, so that the billing is under your name, WTF! doh.gif

So to be B40, you need also having a fxxking expensive house!? sweat.gif
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Rechecked, bill requirement seem to be I saw at TM topic, unsure still need it or not.
The best is still age 60, nothing required except MyKad, lol.

This post has been edited by BenYeeHua: Sep 17 2024, 11:24 PM
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post Sep 17 2024, 11:35 PM

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They actually increased prices post MSAP. Lowest tier is now Rm99 instead of 89.

2 Xiaomi CCTV with occasional 720p Whasapp VC for parents @ kampung, even 30m is overkill what for speed upgrade... LOL biggrin.gif
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post Sep 17 2024, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(biatche @ Sep 17 2024, 09:46 PM)
Actually, I don't expect to get 100mbps even to most sites. Even 10mbps is realistically OK. I expect there to be sufficient backbone bandwidth such that we won't suffer from packet loss / high latency / videos caching. When a submarine cable breaks, I expect there to be sufficient throughput through alternate links. But most importantly, I do think unifi is extremely overpriced as it is right now, and when people are not happy with price and mcmc acts, they simply offer free upgrade instead of actually lowering price, my problem mainly being, the upgrade having no realistic impact. I truly hate entities be it companies or people that pretend to be doing something positive but its all a facade.
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Consider switching ISP then when you have the opportunity. Many have made the brave move and they've moved on.

Why continue paying hundreds for a service every month and then complain because you can't bare with it?

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expect different results?

There's Telco M, CD, T, U and Y there which you can read for yourself their customers are complaining less.


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post Sep 18 2024, 01:53 AM

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just saying

have u make sure your equipment is capable to handle that kind of speed ?
since router provide by TM usually suck

if not then is TM prob
my kampung here apply 1Gbps also got solid 940mbps, speedtest.net of coz(actual max gigabit ethernet cable can reach)

This post has been edited by squall0833: Sep 18 2024, 01:56 AM
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QUOTE(PRSXFENG @ Sep 17 2024, 09:05 PM)
Yes, the ISP technically just advertises that they can give you a 2Gbps pipe to their server on speed test
This shows that your link is ok

And yes, most services like video streaming won't even get close to using 2Gbps
And stuff like steam won't get close to using that because of decompression overhead and drive write speeds

The issue we are having now is
Slow connection to international services, because they OVERSOLD their capacity, eg, they have a 100Gbps pipe to Singapore (example only)
Everyone in Malaysia is downloading and attempting to use more than what's available, so, throttling happens and the experience is degraded

Now, it's understandable that they don't have exactly equivalent pipes (eg, there's a total subscribed capacity of 1000Gbps = need 1000Gbps to everywhere)
Because everyone isn't always hammering downloading from the same region at the same timend a lot of times you can hit the local cache servers for big services like FB/WhatsApp/YouTube etc

The issue we want resolved is the former, that their current bandwidth is not enough, and they should manage it better/get more capacity so that the customers don't experience serious performance issues.
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Totally Ignoring the FACTS
the SITE Owner has their own bandwidth policy.

In this case, xiaomi.eu
it might have policy to priotize EU IP address for best speed.

- Many dummies discussed bandwidth all ASSUME any server/site/hosting/cloud has infinite Upload speed, and policy to priotize you and you only.

2nd. If Our National Level Infrastructure DO NOT has the capicity to deliver the speed, example from SG to Your IP Address
Adding VPN WOULD NOT HELP.


VPN other than privacy features, offer optimized Route. and help you to realize your POTENTIAL MAX Speed, provided the Source upload speed can match it.

VPN doesnot RAISE Physical Limit.
VPN doesnot solved National Level Bandwidth Limit.


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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Sep 18 2024, 02:36 AM)
Totally Ignoring the FACTS
the SITE Owner has their own bandwidth policy.

In this case, xiaomi.eu
it might have policy to priotize EU IP address for best speed.

- Many dummies discussed bandwidth all ASSUME any server/site/hosting/cloud has infinite Upload speed, and policy to priotize you and you only.

2nd. If Our National Level Infrastructure DO NOT has the capicity to deliver the speed, example from SG to Your IP Address
Adding VPN WOULD NOT HELP.
VPN other than privacy features, offer optimized Route. and help you to realize your POTENTIAL MAX Speed, provided the Source upload speed can match it.

VPN doesnot RAISE Physical Limit.
VPN doesnot solved National Level Bandwidth Limit.
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many dummies assume what's being discussed is capacity and capable throughput when what's being discussed is an order from mcmc to reduce prices but instead isps simply maintaining price / ?increasing? while offering free upgrades very well knowing people aren't going to be getting such speeds for reasons that you explained at least twice, and beyond.
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Sep 17 2024, 11:58 PM)
Consider switching ISP then when you have the opportunity. Many have made the brave move and they've moved on.

Why continue paying hundreds for a service every month and then complain because you can't bare with it?

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expect different results?

There's Telco M, CD, T, U and Y there which you can read for yourself their customers are complaining less.
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For the most part, unifi hasn't been problematic until recent years. I do have certain fear switching to alternate isp's i'd face reliability issues. I recently saw someone desiring to switch from M to TM. Does raise eyebrows.

This post has been edited by biatche: Sep 18 2024, 07:02 AM
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QUOTE(biatche @ Sep 18 2024, 07:00 AM)
For the most part, unifi hasn't been problematic until recent years. I do have certain fear switching to alternate isp's i'd face reliability issues. I recently saw someone desiring to switch from M to TM. Does raise eyebrows.
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Just because one post and it deterred you from switching?

Have you tried connecting to your favorite servers using other ISPs to decide for yourself? Try out other ISPs from your office or neighbor house?

I would take those comments like a pinch of salt if I were you. Own experience is the most reliable. Many of them lurking here are resellers and agents looking for signups. They'd write up reviews and stories to promote their own services/sales.

It really depends on area and your local infrastructure build-out.
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Sep 20 2024, 07:21 PM)
Just because one post and it deterred you from switching?

Have you tried connecting to your favorite servers using other ISPs to decide for yourself? Try out other ISPs from your office or neighbor house?

I would take those comments like a pinch of salt if I were you. Own experience is the most reliable. Many of them lurking here are resellers and agents looking for signups. They'd write up reviews and stories to promote their own services/sales.

It really depends on area and your local infrastructure build-out.
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The price of own experience is a 2 year contract. I tend to lean towards reviews first before trying something out. Furthermore, in the early years of unifi, it served me well enough. We tend to make decisions based on multitude of factors, someone wanting out wasn't the entirety of it. In the past, on maxis mobile, I was personally displeased over a few things, which has set some bias against it. I am adventurous enough to try something different, but would need to see more people feedbacks of 'done with unifi, going to maxis' sort.


If anything, I ought to do more investigation on maxis bb.

 

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