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 Top 10 Lies told to Naive Artists and Designers, So you wanna turn pro? Listen up....

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mysticaldodo
post Dec 28 2009, 08:33 PM

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I don't know your friend but the intern I work with in did not get paid sad.gif

And yes, the only thing she learn was the art of Googling and organising pictures.
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post Jan 6 2010, 05:53 PM

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thanks for the tips...been use a lot of time... i think some people not appreciate us as a designer...
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post Jan 15 2010, 01:21 PM

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A really informative post. Really true the things you said.
I've met a few clients saying like, the last agency did the work for them for free, and I was thinking that didn't sound right. (If the last person did it for free, why you're looking for me, lol)
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post Jan 19 2010, 01:28 PM

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I really give up with all those "ah Beng" clients and Malaysia market!
They don't know anything about design, we're just a layout machine doing anything they want!
DaiLagann
post Jan 26 2010, 09:32 PM

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wahhh tqtq... very true
Angela87
post Feb 25 2010, 01:31 PM

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Wow.. I really learn a lot after reading all this..
Its really nice to know all designers here.. ^.~v
MojA_VieW
post Mar 8 2010, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(Angela87 @ Feb 25 2010, 01:31 PM)
Wow.. I really learn a lot after reading all this..
Its really nice to know all designers here.. ^.~v
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I learnt something here..
thanks smile.gif
Kwill
post Mar 12 2010, 11:03 AM

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a very enlightening thread.. thanks for the info.. and yes I agree that this applies to most things in life.. good things don't come for free, if its not good then why do they want it? protect your rights people..
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post Apr 15 2010, 05:08 AM

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my field is irrelevant to arts, but i think this advice still can be applied. thanks for the info. biggrin.gif
chipmunkey1992
post May 13 2010, 01:34 PM

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great post. Nuff said.
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post Jun 18 2010, 11:59 PM

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Hahaha...really true. I probably heard 6 out of 10 before smile.gif

You should add number 11: Join this design contest and you stand to win a lousy price.

Im not talking about the internal design work that you do for your company to help out some charity organization. This is real commercial contest which offers lousy prizes for design work. Especially graphic design. Think about it - if the grand prize is RM1000. You will have 100 fresh designers who thought RM1000 is not a bad prize - and started submitting their design work. The cheapo company just won a unique design at 10 ringgit a piece. Ok, the one lucky winner would probably be happy with RM 1000. But hey, read in between the lines. Most contest would have some sort of a disclaimer note saying that once you submit your design, it is up to them to do what they want with it. Don't waste your talent and time with crappy cheapo contest. Your design, no matter how bad people think it is - is all from your hard work. Don't let design be meaningless.

This post has been edited by cixo-cixo: Jun 19 2010, 12:01 AM
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post Aug 11 2010, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(nada- @ Jan 18 2006, 09:58 PM)
Lets just list down a list of things that some graduates dont do-

1) Behave and always act professional
2) Dress properly
3) Taking responsiblity and dealing with time management
4) marketing themselves or companies
5) Research and find out more practically to anything not just design but the country and society itself.
6) Self educate + self learn
7) passionate and persistent
8) ask questions
9) ask intelligent questions
10) Take critique (this is a big bloody issue in Malaysia, many designers are unable to take criticism or critiques well, they see it as a personal attack instead of something which can come out to be positive and constructive).
11) Presentation
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I could go on but I wish not too. Our problem is not the lack of support for local, after all designers dont need support, they wish more for 'recognition'. They dont receive this as yes malaysia's market is still young and not quite matured yet. But this cannot be an excuse to problems that hold designers down.

I attended a ceremony recently back 3 months ago of my seniors in LICT and the One academy where they were holding exhibitions of their work and no offence but about 80 % of them cannot design or know the term design. A person knows how to use a photoshop, director or illustrator counts themself straight away as a designer. The term designer here isn't taken professionally and seriously. Overseas a person who is a doctor or a lawyer has to uphold that sense of professionalism as well as the maturity and the mentality for that particular occupation, whilst for designers everywhere not just in Malaysia we have this constant dilemma.

I do agree that we do lack workshops and conventions here, but I ask you what are people doing here about it? Are you telling me people cant form their own competitions or workshops? Or start a community or a club with a general interest to learn?

The problem is with the people. Every root of problem in society is from the person. People are make things complicated, not life.
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This is the second time I'm reading Malaysians designers cannot accept critiques, anyone else to confirm that?
As a foreigner planning to move in Malaysia to study and working I'm a little bit concern about that.
IMO critiques are the way to get better ofc there's a way to say things, but for me not saying anything is like " u don't care about ppl work"

JustNael
post Aug 15 2010, 02:48 AM

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man i should read this first.. i do like 5 unpaid jobs..
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post Aug 23 2010, 02:25 PM

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how come make 5 job unpaid ??? got scammed by some1 ???
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post Aug 25 2010, 03:59 AM

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QUOTE(jjoe @ Aug 23 2010, 03:25 PM)
how come make 5 job unpaid ??? got scammed by some1 ???
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yes..
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post Aug 25 2010, 10:07 AM

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bro JustNael pity on u.so what the action u taken?
rebornyama
post Sep 20 2010, 06:59 PM

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woooo... thanks!~
JustNael
post Sep 22 2010, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(jjoe @ Aug 25 2010, 11:07 AM)
bro JustNael pity on u.so what the action u taken?
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well i can't really do anything. Is a legit way of scamming. just sit back and watch him smile. there are like leeches


Added on September 22, 2010, 12:53 ami gave up on this business, when other way. now i just do it for fun smile.gif

This post has been edited by JustNael: Sep 22 2010, 11:30 PM
adam_lew85
post Oct 5 2010, 03:01 PM

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hmm...after i read those 10 points, i get to this point:

For maximum safety, we must provide the contract (and signed it) and ask for some DEPOSIT!

One question, I got the 10% - 20% deposit paid to me, after I finish designed his stuff, I only send the final artwork to him before or after he paid me full amount of money???
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post Oct 19 2010, 01:59 PM

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Nice Post

Keep Writing dude..!!??



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