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Zot
post Sep 9 2024, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Sep 5 2024, 11:38 AM)
fyi, SC for Mazda gives semi synthetic during the free service period but push owners to use for 10k or 6 months.
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When I owned Nissan X-Trail last time the service was always semi-syn for every 10k. It is just recently the car become fully syn for every 10k. Used my X-Trail for around 15 years without need to top-up engine oil or anything
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post Sep 9 2024, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Sep 9 2024, 12:09 PM)
When I owned Nissan X-Trail last time the service was always semi-syn for every 10k. It is just recently the car become fully syn for every 10k. Used my X-Trail for around 15 years without need to top-up engine oil or anything
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Nissan cars are very durable. My car 2 years no service also no issue
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post Sep 9 2024, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(BL98 @ Sep 9 2024, 12:23 PM)
Nissan cars are very durable. My car 2 years no service also no issue
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Any car would be similar I bet. I've known one Chinese business man running Radio & TV Service when I was a kids. Close to my family. He also sell cooking gas. His wagon never changed engine oil. He only topped up oil when it got low. The car was running fine for 11+ year until his son wreck the car in an accident. No fatality but just normal accident laugh.gif
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post Sep 9 2024, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(BL98 @ Sep 9 2024, 12:03 PM)
Car already more than 10 years, warranty over d.

but lately feeling the car feeling a bit sluggish and gear change not so smooth.
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why do you still want to go back tan chong for normal servicing?
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post Sep 9 2024, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Sep 9 2024, 01:54 PM)
why do you still want to go back tan chong for normal servicing?
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Peace of mind knowing they will use original parts

And last time when servicing outside workshop, the parts and labour is actually more expensive than tan chong.

Tan chong fully synthetic liquimoly RM120
outside workshop own house brand semi synthetic RM180

I always thought service outside cheaper, but turns out opposite is true
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QUOTE(BL98 @ Sep 9 2024, 02:44 PM)

And last time when servicing outside workshop, the parts and labour is actually more expensive than tan chong.


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i understand from a colleague that it is also likewise for perodua....just that need to fit their timing if it is a busy branch....

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post Sep 9 2024, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Sep 9 2024, 04:25 PM)
i understand from a colleague that it is also likewise for perodua....just that need to fit their timing if it is a busy branch....
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and peace of mind. Original parts, skilled technician etc
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post Sep 10 2024, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(BL98 @ Sep 9 2024, 02:44 PM)
Peace of mind knowing they will use original parts

And last time when servicing outside workshop, the parts and labour is actually more expensive than tan chong.

Tan chong fully synthetic liquimoly RM120
outside workshop own house brand semi synthetic RM180

I always thought service outside cheaper, but turns out opposite is true
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Bro, Tan Chong using LiquiMoly engine oil?
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post Sep 10 2024, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ Sep 9 2024, 10:55 AM)
Among the engine lub and oil filter, the engine lub play more important role. Fully synthetic from premium brand can anytime use more than 10k km even for Japanese car. I worked in automotive industry for over a decade and can assure not much issue on the oil filter that will cause need of change the engine lub before 10k km for fully synthetic. Even if we using the counterfeit engine lub, it will take at least 20k km or 30k km (2 or 3 times change of counterfeit engine lub) only it start giving bad symptom like louder engine noise, less smooth of driving etc. By 50k km onward the damage will get worsening and more apparent.
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So then semi syn oil use to 1000km per year, should not present issues right!
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QUOTE(voscar @ Sep 10 2024, 09:41 AM)
Bro, Tan Chong using LiquiMoly engine oil?
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Last time saw the returned engine oil bottle got small liquiMoly logo at the back. I would assume they use liquimoly then stick their own logo on the bottle.
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post Sep 10 2024, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(Pratish153 @ Sep 9 2024, 10:01 AM)
Just installed lufi meter in my car will need to monitor on my next genting drive. What is the highest oil temp the engine can withstand?Or what is the ideal engine oil temp?
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not sure whats the highest oil temp a skyactiv could withstand. but it runs hotter than most other run of the mill japanese budget-car engines. ideally on a road, car we shouldnt let the oil go above 135c. a typical 5w-30 and 5w-40 oils would be done at that temp.
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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Sep 10 2024, 10:21 AM)
So then semi syn oil use to 1000km per year, should not present issues right!
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for semisyn, it is best to change it every 6 months even when not driven much as they lose their properties earlier than fullsyn
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QUOTE(fuzagi @ Sep 10 2024, 10:35 PM)
not sure whats the highest oil temp a skyactiv could withstand. but it runs hotter than most other run of the mill japanese budget-car engines. ideally on a road, car we shouldnt let the oil go above 135c. a typical 5w-30 and 5w-40 oils would be done at that temp.
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Depends on where the oil temperature sensor is i think?
My aftermarket oil temperature sensor is located at the adapter for the oil filter.
Original water temperature sensor Needle starts moving from usual reading when the aftermarket water sensor reaches 108.. so i set my aftermarket water temp sensor to 110C before it starts alarm and 120C for my aftermarket oil temperature sensor.
Usual driving water temp is between 89-93 for my aftermarket water sensor and 99-105 for aftermarket oil temp sensor.

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post Sep 11 2024, 09:10 AM

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Last time old car came with oil temp gauge, I see 130c still normal saja and hard driving will reach that with mineral oil.



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post Sep 11 2024, 07:55 PM

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Anyone doing engine flushing? For high mileage car
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post Sep 12 2024, 03:33 AM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Sep 11 2024, 07:55 PM)
Anyone doing engine flushing? For high mileage car
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Previously I did engine flushing using kixx engine flush oil for my over 200k km car.
Its easy. Remove old oil, pour in engine flush 3L + 1L engine oil. I have to pour in the engine oil for my dipstick to be over min dipstick level. Idle engine for 20 mins. Remove oil and old filter. Install new filter and pour in fresh oil.

I couldnt feel any difference tho..
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Sep 5 2024, 11:38 AM)
fyi, SC for Mazda gives semi synthetic during the free service period but push owners to use for 10k or 6 months.
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Semi should last around 8000km max, 10 000km not good for the engine

As for me semi synthetic user, i will service my car every 7000km
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QUOTE(fuzagi @ Sep 10 2024, 10:35 PM)
not sure whats the highest oil temp a skyactiv could withstand. but it runs hotter than most other run of the mill japanese budget-car engines. ideally on a road, car we shouldnt let the oil go above 135c. a typical 5w-30 and 5w-40 oils would be done at that temp.
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If I drive normally it'll be around 85-90C if I tekan then it'll be around 100-105C never seen it going to 110C or above
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QUOTE(Balanced @ Sep 11 2024, 01:22 AM)
Depends on where the oil temperature sensor is i think?

My aftermarket oil temperature sensor is located at the adapter for the oil filter. Original car temperature sensor Needle starts moving from usual reading when the sensor reaches 103-105.. so i set my aftermarket to 100C before it starts alarm. Usual driving is between 89-93 for my aftermarket sensor
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Bro, engine oil work the best at 100C, that is the optimum temperature of all engine oil type.
Most modern engine only after 130C start to went into limp/safe mode, race cars go until 140~150C also no issue.
If your setting it for your coolant temperature, 100C is correct but for engine oil usually people set alarm at around 115~125C for normal road cars.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/m...erature.367823/
https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/engine-oil-temperature/


For a dual-purpose car, engine oil needs to be at least 220 degrees F to burn off all the deposits and accumulated water vapor. For every pound of fuel burned in an engine, the combustion process also generates a pound of water! If engine sump temperatures rarely exceed 212 degrees (water's boiling point), the water will mix with sulfur (another combustion byproduct) and create acids that can eventually damage bearings


220 F = 104C
212 F = 100C

This post has been edited by littlefire: Sep 18 2024, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Sep 18 2024, 11:38 AM)
Bro, engine oil work the best at 100C, that is the optimum temperature of all engine oil type.
Most modern engine only after 130C start to went into limp/safe mode, race cars go until 140~150C also no issue.
If your setting it for your coolant temperature, 100C is correct but for engine oil usually people set alarm at around 115~125C for normal road cars.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/m...erature.367823/
https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/engine-oil-temperature/
For a dual-purpose car, engine oil needs to be at least 220 degrees F to burn off all the deposits and accumulated water vapor. For every pound of fuel burned in an engine, the combustion process also generates a pound of water! If engine sump temperatures rarely exceed 212 degrees (water's boiling point), the water will mix with sulfur (another combustion byproduct) and create acids that can eventually damage bearings
220 F = 104C
212 F = 100C
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Hi yeah it is my bad. I think i mix the values between water temp n oil temp that time. Must be drunk previously.. i have edited my previous post.

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