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post Sep 6 2024, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Sep 6 2024, 10:41 AM)
Seeking advice:
Next year my 2nd car will be parked and only used a few times a year. My estimate is not more than 1000Km per year. The manual only recommends oil viscosity, ie 5/0W 30.

To save cost I'm planning to use mineral oil with 30 viscosity & change  once a year. Appreciate feedback, tks.
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Use cheap api certified fully synthetic oil like Bold fully. Its only like rm55 for 4L..
Always change your oil max 1 year even if u use it very less. Anyway cars that are underutilized like yours will have reduced lifetime..
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post Sep 6 2024, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Sep 5 2024, 01:34 PM)
any proper API SN or newer certified is good for 10k....i'm having the same car as yours and running 0w20 for more than 5 years...perfectly fine as at now at 151k, no oil consumption issue at all.....i almost never used the same oil brands twice since my free service coupon used up....never used anything above rm250....can't really tell much of a difference after driving more than 2k after oil change...cheapest i tried was Bold 0w20 at below RM100....boleh pakai also.....

Don't buy imitation oil filter as there are quite a lot in the market now, original oil filter is always above rm20....

if you haven't replaced your transmission fluid, please get it done along side transmission filter change
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If you are keeping the car for more than 9 years...I dont recommend changing it every 10k.
Some info i got with general driving conditions (not include racing and track days) from engine builders and professional modern mechanics are:

1. If you plan to keep your car 5-9 years, its ok to change at 10k km intervals with fully synthetic.
2. If u plan to keep your car over 10 years or over 300k km, change your semi oil every 5000km. If you are fully synthetic change it every 6.5k km.

Generally most car manufacturers recommended specs, they calculated it for cars lifespan around 5-9 years. Business best choice, not best car lifetime choice.

My car i change every 5000km using various fully synthetic. Na engine, k20a type r modded with 260 hp dynoed last year, compression ratio 11.5 (high compression engine).
Now using bold fully 5w40 and used for around 7 cycles now, so far so good. I bought the car second hand with around 210k km mileage and it was having engine oil consumptions around 1L per 5000km initially (max take in oil 4.7L). Now the oil consumption reduced to around 500ml per 5000km with current mileage of 265k km. I think changing the oil more frequently slowly clean the harden sludge around the piston rings.
My driving style quite aggressive and hit redline quite often. Around 40:60 highway:city drive.
I plan to change to another local engine oil brand hipro soon tho. This brand has their own oil manufacturing factory instead of bold without their own factory.

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post Sep 6 2024, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Sep 6 2024, 03:29 PM)
understand your pointers.....changing oil earlier definitely always help.....and also the planned obsolescence part of car makes....

i can take my chances of continuous 10k, usually i look for high VI oils that are likely more shear stable.....those are not expensive also for original oils....

i don't baby the throttle, but i don't pedal to the metal frequently....i'm happy to deal with the shift logic by manual shift instead of using pedal to overwrite the shift patterns if i need a boost....no power mods for my car also....

interesting about that hipro brand that you mentioned...but pricing is like 50% more than bold....

how about Motion brand? Heard of it?
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May i know which high VI oils are you using? How much is it?

Reason why im going hipro oils.
1) A lot of good reviews on they oils especially the motorcycle oils at Bangladesh market. The environment there are even harsher and dustier than here.
2) hipro got organize and sponser races track days with their oils.
3) hipro honest with me so far. I asked them if their maxclyn oil have certain specs that has in the Bangladesh market (example a3 b4 spec), but not written in malaysia market. Hipro told me dont have, and they will inform related parties about it.
4) cheap. Hipro fully maxclyn is only rm62.50. their best is V9 but much more expensive at rm128. Still cheaper than branded fully.

I heard about motion but did not research on it though. U found anythg interesting about this oil?
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post Sep 6 2024, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Sep 6 2024, 04:03 PM)
mobil1 green bottle series...depends on offer, usually less than rm200

syntium 7000 dme - rm170 before shopee vouchers

but those are all thin oils that is not fit for your car  sweat.gif

the motion brand have flagship range that touts pao+ester blend....intrigued me a bit because of the cost of it....more than 200 for 4L.....

on the other hand, thicker oils blended well are by nature less volatile...
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Yeah i cant use yours as mine shld use w30 or 40 only. My engine oil specs quite lenient requiring only SM spec.. as my engine is old tech. More than 20 years old..

Motion brands seems like the typical proxy brand like bold, bolt, mizu... Abit red flag, they are selling motion brand oil filters and osk oil filters at rm5.90 per piece. I dont trust any filters so cheap as its most probably fakes.. my filters i usually buy bosch oil filters.
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post Sep 8 2024, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Sep 8 2024, 10:42 AM)
Is Bold available on Lazada? I've seen some American brands around RM50, will check on API cert.

Can you explain what you mean by reduced time lifetime?
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I bought it at shopee but i think shld be available in lazada too.

Few potential problems.

Anything that is moving might seize up due to corrosion and rust. Example your brakes and rotors.

Fuel pump might seize.

Battery might go flat.

Tires might have flat spots.

Internals like the oil in the piston and cylinder walls might totally become dry. More damage when start up again.

Your car might attract rodents.

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post Sep 8 2024, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(BL98 @ Sep 8 2024, 12:16 PM)
My almera 20k and 2 years did not service still running fine.
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Bruh.. its very bad for your car. Very bad.
Sure it can still run, but your engine interval will be very dirty and wear out very fast.

Please read up on engine maintenance.
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post Sep 11 2024, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(fuzagi @ Sep 10 2024, 10:35 PM)
not sure whats the highest oil temp a skyactiv could withstand. but it runs hotter than most other run of the mill japanese budget-car engines. ideally on a road, car we shouldnt let the oil go above 135c. a typical 5w-30 and 5w-40 oils would be done at that temp.
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Depends on where the oil temperature sensor is i think?
My aftermarket oil temperature sensor is located at the adapter for the oil filter.
Original water temperature sensor Needle starts moving from usual reading when the aftermarket water sensor reaches 108.. so i set my aftermarket water temp sensor to 110C before it starts alarm and 120C for my aftermarket oil temperature sensor.
Usual driving water temp is between 89-93 for my aftermarket water sensor and 99-105 for aftermarket oil temp sensor.

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post Sep 12 2024, 03:33 AM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Sep 11 2024, 07:55 PM)
Anyone doing engine flushing? For high mileage car
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Previously I did engine flushing using kixx engine flush oil for my over 200k km car.
Its easy. Remove old oil, pour in engine flush 3L + 1L engine oil. I have to pour in the engine oil for my dipstick to be over min dipstick level. Idle engine for 20 mins. Remove oil and old filter. Install new filter and pour in fresh oil.

I couldnt feel any difference tho..
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post Sep 18 2024, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Sep 18 2024, 11:38 AM)
Bro, engine oil work the best at 100C, that is the optimum temperature of all engine oil type.
Most modern engine only after 130C start to went into limp/safe mode, race cars go until 140~150C also no issue.
If your setting it for your coolant temperature, 100C is correct but for engine oil usually people set alarm at around 115~125C for normal road cars.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/m...erature.367823/
https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/engine-oil-temperature/
For a dual-purpose car, engine oil needs to be at least 220 degrees F to burn off all the deposits and accumulated water vapor. For every pound of fuel burned in an engine, the combustion process also generates a pound of water! If engine sump temperatures rarely exceed 212 degrees (water's boiling point), the water will mix with sulfur (another combustion byproduct) and create acids that can eventually damage bearings
220 F = 104C
212 F = 100C
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Hi yeah it is my bad. I think i mix the values between water temp n oil temp that time. Must be drunk previously.. i have edited my previous post.

 

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